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The Dan Haren Trade: In their own words

"We were able to add to our club now, provide for our club's future and, at the same time, we were able to create a better balance and flexibility in the way our dollars have been allocated...to better tend to the different holes on our major-league club."
  -- Arizona GM Jerry DiPoto

The dust begins to settle on the trade of Diamondbacks' staff ace to the Angels, for Joe Saunders and a trio of prospects. The quote above summarizes the team's opinion on the deal, but it's safe to say that not everyone agrees with that assessment. After the jump, you'll find a collection of other responses and thoughts on the move, and what it means for the team going forward.

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"I think it's going to decrease," Hall said. "To what level, I'm not sure. We're going to do what we need to do. There's also going to be some pieces that we're going to have to go out and get like a closer next year. We're going to have to spend a little."
   -- President Derrick Hall on the team's payroll

"[On Saunders] A guy who quite frankly has been one of the winners in Major League Baseball. I think he trails only Roy Halladay among major leaguers in total wins. He’s won 63 percent of his games since coming to the major leagues... [on Corbin] All he’s done is go out and lead the minor leagues in wins. To this point in the minor league season, he’s 13-3 at two A levels."
   -- Jerry DiPoto on the new arrivals

"I had a lot of high expectations from myself and the team this year. It didn’t really work out that way... I’m kind of sad it didn’t lead to what I was brought here for, which was bringing the team to the next level. I had some good years here. This year hasn’t been that great for me personally. I was brought here to put us over the top and didn’t happen that way unfortunately. I’ve got to move on and the organization has got to move on as well."
  -- Dan Haren on his time in Arizona

"What we wanted to address was take our club today and connect it with our prospects for tomorrow. That’s something that we grossly needed. We can’t deny the volume and the depth that this brings us as an organization. The names involved in the deal on a prospect level, particularly Corbin, and the player to be named, give us extreme prospect depth, at a position, left-handed pitcher, that anybody would covet. "
  -- Jerry DiPoto, discussing the aims of the trade.

"The Angels depantsed the Arizona Diamondbacks. They stole Dan Haren in a trade and left the directionless D’backs naked and with nowhere to hide. First, Arizona panicked by firing general manager Josh Byrnes earlier this season. Now, with suitors from coast to coast putting together packages for Haren, they jumped at one centering around Joe Saunders."
  --
Jeff Passan, Yahoo!

"Say what you want about the return, but at least the Diamondbacks have begun to restock their minor league pitching inventory. Jarrod Parker, assuming he can return from Tommy John (like most do), could be a No. 1. Some think Skaggs could be a No. 2 or No. 3. They’ve already got Kennedy -- a solid No. 4-type already who has shown flashes of being more than that -- for the next five years. Beyond that, there’s now Corbin, RHP Barry Enright, LHP Mike Belfiore, RHP Eric Smith, RHP Charles Brewer, RHP Josh Collmenter, LHP Wade Miley and RHP Chase Anderson, all of whom have had varying degrees of success this season."
  -- Nick Piecoro, Arizona Republic

The Diamondbacks traded Haren and got back no top-50 prospects, maybe no top-100 prospects. If the goal was to save money, they failed as well; the difference between what they'll pay Saunders and what they would have paid Haren is likely to be washed away by the damage done by what has now been made clear: the Diamondbacks are focused on the long term, and unlikely to be contenders in the NL West for a few years. If there's a model for how not to handle the trade of a high-priced, high-value player, this is it.
  -- Joe Sheehan, Sports Illustrated

 "If Corbin and Skaggs reach their ceilings, it will be a real good deal for the Diamondbacks. If they hit on one, it is a pretty good deal. If you don’t, it might work if Joe Saunders is decent. It’s a risk. Prospects are never a sure thing. There is no question you are taking a step back in going from Haren to Saunders."
  --
Jim Callis, Baseball America

The D-Backs saved money. But forget all that for now. It is the unknowns, as always, that eventually will cause the trade to be classified as a shrewd move to help the D-Backs reload and return to contention (see San Diego, the current NL West leader) or a payroll dump.

  -- Jack Magruder, Fox Sports Arizona

Someone seems to have messed up here. If Joe Saunders plus some (relatively) unheralded prospects was the best the Diamondbacks could do, 1) they should have just kept Haren until they could get more for him, and 2) a bunch of other teams looking for a good starting pitcher really, really messed up by not offering the Diamondbacks a more attractive package than the Angels... I'm sure they've got a bunch of bright people working there. But it would be odd if they were so right about this deal and everyone else were so wrong.
  -- Rob Neyer, ESPN

"The Diamondbacks get ripped for this deal because they didn’t get a prospect with the promise of superduperstardom. But is there any guarantee that Justin Smoak, the centerpiece of the Mariners’ return for Lee, will ever stop striking out for long enough to display his prodigious power on a regular basis? The chance that Arizona took is on a player getting back to where he’s been, rather than getting to where he’s expected to go. And Dan Haren, good as he is, is not Cliff Lee - nobody was offering a Smoak or a Jesus Montero for a pitcher who has given up 50 home runs since the start of the 2009 season."
  -- Jesse Spector, NY Daily News

The idea of this is to present Arizona’s side of the trade but frankly I have been sitting here for an hour and still cannot even come close to justifying this... That is not a good haul; it’s not even a decent haul. It’s downright bad. It’s the sort of return you’d more expect if the person getting traded was a liability due to his contract,
  -- Matthew Carruth, Fangraphs.com

"I'm having a hard time believing this was all the market would give up for Dan Haren. Were three bodies, a player to be named later (believed to be Tyler Skaggs, though it's not a lock) plus salary relief really the going price for a pitcher who rated among the top five in the NL last season, was reasonably compensated and was suffering from a lot of bad luck this season?"
  -- Keith Law, ESPN

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Sheesh

Jeff Passan is a moron. In no way does the trade “center” around Joe Saunders.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

kind of a stupid take on the whole thing.

No crying in the Snakepit. That's what your apartment is for.

by soco on Jul 26, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

not stoked on the trade but I agree on Passan – he’s a hack.

"Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word."

by VladHammer on Jul 26, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passan is a grandstander

only 1/2 of what he writes should be taken seriously.

by venomfan on Jul 26, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You’d think the “Center” of the trade was, uh, Dan Haren.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Jul 26, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it is probably a fake, but
realjustinupton
  
I like yesterday’s trade. Although we will miss Danny it gives us the $ flexibility and arms to compete next year and for years to come.

If not, what is he smoking?

Nice strikeout!

by justin1985 on Jul 26, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It's real

If you check a profile, and it’s got the “Verified Account” logo on it, Twitter has made sure it’s connected to the real celebrity/athlete/whatever who it claims to be.

"Hey, I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"

by kishi on Jul 26, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psssh

It’s like, he doesn’t even read this site!

by Counsellmember on Jul 26, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

What does he know? “Actually plays on the team in question” pffft

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Jul 26, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does smoking optimism

make you hungry for snacks? Or does it just make you clean a lot?

by Azreous on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's on his (their) website, too.

It’s real

Bring back the Baltimore Chop!

by dima1109 on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this trade

turns out like the “blockbuster” this winter where we got 2 quality starters for scherzer and schlereth. We got panned for that one too…but it’s turned out pretty well.

by venomfan on Jul 26, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

There's a difference:

Josh Byrnes is smart. Jerry DiPoto is not.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 28

by Jdub220 on Jul 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

A week ago

When the dbacks were looking to trade, didn’t some news come out the Byrnes wanted to do a absolutely terrible trade? I’m sorry I don’t remember which team and for who, but I read it on one of the articles on this site. I’ll go and look for it. But it might have just been a rumor, i don’t know.

by ZonaBacks10 on Jul 26, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except,

a week ago JB wasn’t in charge?

Nice strikeout!

by justin1985 on Jul 26, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably talking about the Dodgers rumor.

That’s just a rumor. It hasn’t been confirmed by JB or anything.
People say false stuff all the time.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 28

by Jdub220 on Jul 26, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah actually,

I think you are right, Dodgers. Again, I wasn’t sure if it was a rumor or was a fact, thanks for clarifying.

by ZonaBacks10 on Jul 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut Jerry D some slack!

He is still new to being a GM and this is his first-ever trade. He may come out on the good side of this. Time will tell.

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I should cut him some slack

when he makes a franchise changing trade, trading away our ace… just because it’s his first?

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 30

by Jdub220 on Jul 28, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have no idea

Yet how this whole thing will pan out. If it turns out for the bad, then yes, berate Jerry all you want. If it turns out well, then he should get kudos. All I am saying is before jumping to conclusions on Jerry, why not see what else he can and will do for this team!

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 28, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're looking to see what he can do

And we’re starting with this trade. Which doesn’t really look good. We can’t ignore it because it’s his first.

"It's a fez. I'm wearing a fez now. Fezes are cool."

by kishi on Jul 28, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rest assured,

I will publicly admit I’m wrong and be really really happy about it if he’s right.
But I’m not going to let it go.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 30

by Jdub220 on Jul 28, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jdub is perfectly within his rights to criticize DiPoto until the cows come home.

Being a nice guy isn’t reason not to criticize DiPoto’s job performance. It’s irrelevant as to whether or not this is his first trade. If you don’t want to be criticized, you don’t start off by trading the team’s marquee player for what certainly seems like an inferior return.

That having been said, I’m also not as convinced as Jdub that this trade is as turrable as he seems to think. Everyone loves when we’re the ones who get someone awesome up front, like the original Danny Haren trade, but you have to wait and see with prospects. We don’t even know for sure yet the identity of the PTBNL.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Angel's Midwest League director of Player Personnel was on Bob Kemp this afternoon

He was VERY high on Patrick Corbin, thought he could help us in 2011; not as high on Skaggs, says he’s dealing with fatigue, which is common for young fellas. Thought the Angels gave up a sure thing in Corbin.

by mrssimons on Jul 26, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't be too worried about fatigue

Like you said, it’s not uncommon for players drafted out of high school. He’s also filling out his frame as well which would take it’s toll on anyone.

I’m a little surprised about such regard on Corbin. The most that I’ve read is that he’s “highly regarded” but nothing like a poop in your pants type of expectation. He’s sporting a nice 9.55 SO/9 so far in HiA, but his durability seems to be a big question.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best of luck

To Haren tonight! Go get em!

by ZonaBacks10 on Jul 26, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

booooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

booooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Jul 26, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The D-Backs

Now have 9 of the top 80 players selected in the 2009 draft.

Bobby Borchering
A.J. Pollock
Matthew Davidson
Chris Owings
Michael Belfiore
Eric Smith
Marc Krauss
Tyler Skaggs
Pat Corbin

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Assuming

the PTBNL is Skaggs.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Jul 26, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming

You don’t go raining on everyone’s parade.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know

That might not be a bad distinction to have, down the line.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Jul 26, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

Matt Garza is three outs from no-hitting the Tigers. It was a dual no-hitter going into the 6th but Scherzer fell apart and the Rays took the lead.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Aaanndd...

He’s facing the bottom of the lineup – 7, 8, and 9.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did it.

No-hitters out the wazoo this year. This is the 5th time it’s happened.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faces the minimum, too

Just a walk away, though he gave that up early on.

"Hey, I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"

by kishi on Jul 26, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice for Tampa

To get on the right side of a no-hitter.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

better for The Upton Comings to get on the right side of a no-hitter

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by JustAJ on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scherzer makes me laugh

How many pitchers lose a no-hitter by giving up a grand slam?

"Hey, I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"

by kishi on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haren leaves game with injury

Dan just left the Angels game, in the 5th, after taking a line drive somewhere near his wrist area. No word on whether its serious.

8 Ks in 4.2 innings. Not bad, Dan.

by Counsellmember on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Weird...

Had went to the angels GDT to see what their opinions were on Haren, and all of a sudden a whole bunch of F bombs were mentioned, then I learned Haren left the game.. AHH! Hope Haren is okay.

by ZonaBacks10 on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was probably responsible for at least 90% of those f-bombs

Haren gave us one hell of a scare when he got hit by a line drive from Youk (as if I didn’t have enough reasons to hate him already). Dan is a tough guy and in the post game interview made it clear that nothing was really wrong with him. Looking forward to seeing the Colonel making his first start for your team; I’ll joining you all in your game threads soon .

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

by Quad Fin Rider on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I swear,

if the FO lucks into winning this trade because Danny gets a freak injury, I will freak at the sheer… stupid luck… that this is.
But I hope he’s alright…

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 28

by Jdub220 on Jul 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

EB22 sucks,

but I wouldn’t wish an injury on him.

Nice strikeout!

by justin1985 on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not wishing an injury on him.

Hence, “But I hope he’s alright…”
Haren was one of my favorite players.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 28

by Jdub220 on Jul 26, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes

It’s better to be lucky than good.

I do hope he’s okay. If the Angels make it to the postseason, I’ll throw my support behind them. They’re my best friend’s dad’s favorite team.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weird that he got hurt in his first game like that.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah the Eastern Press!

Ah the Eastern Press, the Nabobs of Negativity for anything not centering around the New York Yankees, the Boston Red Socks or the Philadelphia Phillys.
Any chance to bag those upstarts out west who are somewhere near where the Dodgers play, who will never be forgiven for beating the entire City of New York in 2001, the World Series New York deserved to win because of 911.
Sorry I am not making light of 911, it was a horrible viscious attack on innocent people who were representatives of the United States.
But you would have had to be blind or deaf not to hear or see all the reasons given on the sports shows about why New York needed that win.
But, the Diamond Backs could be leading the Western Confrerence, having won more games than any two eastern teams put together and they will still be ignored by the Eastern Press.
Do I care what Sports Illustrated has to say, or the New York Papers who usually just gush about the best team money can buy and declare it to be America’s Team? Shoot no I don’t and I think only time will tell.
Well these three guys make a difference, who knows, Haren, who I liked, wasn’t doing anything to help.
Go get em Angels, kick the bums from the Bronx back to where they belong.

by JV Co on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, because deaf people are total morons right?

Also, the Western Conference? What the hell is that?

The Red Sox play in the Bronx?

Nice strikeout!

by justin1985 on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the AP's writeup of Haren's injury:
Although Haren has allowed fewer than six hits just twice in his 22 starts this season, the Angels think his struggles were related to the Diamondbacks’ hitter-friendly ballpark and the defensive players surrounding him.

by Azreous on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Seven hits in 4.2 innings this evening

On the evidence of that…

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by Jim McLennan on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

that doesn’t sound too bad. ;)

by Counsellmember on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think AZ can do anything right.

This trade wont work, it just wont. Saunders is average, despite all the people saying he is above average, he isn’t. Average is a compliment for him. These “prospects” we received aren’t even on any top 100 list I could find. We just dealt a consensus top 10 MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher for guys who cant even crack the top 100 on PROSPECT lists. That’s bad.
How about that trade in the offseason, Scherzer and Schlereth for Edwin and Ian. Hhmmm. Edwin is the every bit the pitcher he was his entire career except the first half of last season. Kennedy has been a #3-4 major leaguer, not bad, but not worth max’s potential. However, Max and Daniel were 1st rounders. But the story we all were told was Max is an injury risk. When then why the hell did Barret Loux go with our first pick in the draft!!!!!!!! Answer that Einstein. We took a guy who wasn’t even supposed to go in the first round 6th overall and he had a history of shoulder problems in high school and surgery for bone chips in college. The plot thickened when I read that our scouts didn’t want to draft him but Byrnes over-ruled and took him anyway. I’m so pissed off at this organization. It funny they are called an organization, because that is exactly what that crap hole in downtown phoenix needs. Organization. They are so inept, I don’t even have a vocabulary rich enough to degrade this baseball team adequately, so I guess I will stop. I hate them.

by mjsonoma01 on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 AM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to remember these trades are merely business decisions...

…But oh, how it hurts!!! From now on, we must build through our OWN farm system, instead of trading to other clubs. Pay these guys lower salries, so that we can afford to pay them more during their prime. ~Blessings, Bill (Surprise)

by Bill Cheshire Jr on Aug 1, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

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