But It's A Dry Hate: What do AZ fans think of other MLB teams?
Any last, lingering hopes that the Diamondbacks might mount a sterling comeback in the second-half of the season lasted exactly one game, as Arizona was drubbed by San Diego 12-1 in the post-break opener. Our team may be dead in the water, but there is still a race going on in the National League West. It's the closest of all the divisions, with the top four teams separated by only 5.5 games, and every indication that this one could go down to the wire. That wouldn't be a shock - there hasn't been a "blowout" in the West, with the margin of victory more than five games, since 2003, and I'd be surprised if this year broke that trend.
With little of importance left to play for down the stretch for Arizona, who, if anyone, are you rooting for to win the division? After the jump, we'll look at the five possibilities: the four other teams, and e) none of the above. There's also an extended version of the poll, asking for your opinions on all the MLB franchises, so we can find out who Diamondbacks fans love and hate most.
Disclaimer Your eyes are weary from staring at the monitor. You feel sleepy. Notice how restful it is to watch the cursor blink. Close your eyes. The opinions stated below are yours. You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise. For the opinions expressed in this post do, in fact, represent the opinions of SB Nation, as well as every single one of its employees, writers and readers. In fact, everybody in Phoenix also agrees. No, make that Arizona, because, let's face it, I have that kind of power at my disposal. Resistance is futile...
DODGERS
Pros: I know there's a lot of hate for the Hollywood glamor boys in Arizona, but I just don't feel quite the same level of disdain here for the team as a whole. I am enjoying the whole McCourt divorce proceedings thing, which is truly the kind of juicy scandal which would only happen in California. I thoroughly recommend DodgerDivorce.com, for all your needs in this area. However, they do have a lot of good young offensive players, the likes of Andre Ethier and Clayton Kershaw. With a couple of exceptions, the Dodgers fans I've met have generally been pleasant, and I certainly enjoy reading True Blue LA; Eric Stephen does a fine job there.
Cons: Manny Ramirez. Ramirez, M. Man-Ram. Manny being Manny. Mannywood. Manuel Aristides (Onelcida) Ramirez. Mandy. His arrogance and all-round bad attitude helped get him run out of Boston, and has hardly improved since, with a 50-game suspension for failing a drug test the "highlight" of his time in Los Angeles. Hard to say which is the worst thing about Ramirez. Watching him loaf in LF? The helmet which appears to have been buried in a swamp for thirty years? The hairstyle? Really, there are just so many reasons to loathe the man, and the prospect of him getting a World Series ring with LA makes me physically unwell.
GIANTS
Pros: The absence of Barry Bonds makes it a lot harder to hate the Giants, though the long-standing hatred for them was at least a bit more fun than the basic apathy I now feel towards San Francisco. I think they've got a very nice park by the water, and I am particularly impressed by the fact that it was built without the need to demand any handout from the taxpayers. Respect for that. Also, Grant at McCovey Chronicles is undoubtedly one of the jewels in the crown of the SB Nation, and can make even non-Giants fans laugh out loud. Read, for instance, his post on the Giants signing Dontrelle - how can you not love them after that?
Cons: Leading the hate parade for the Giants are Timmeh, who looks like an eleven-year old, prepared to burst into tears if anyone has the effrontery to get a hit off him. I also have no fondness for Pablo, tagged with the most god-awful nickname in the history of baseball. Then there's Buster Posey. What the hell kind of a name is "Buster" anyway - ok, if I was called "Gerald Posey", I'd probably want to change it too, just not to "Buster." You gotte earn a name like that, boy. The Giants also have their share of fans for whom polite discourse appears to consist of throwing a temper tantrum. We've seem 'em here on occasion.
PADRES
Pros. A few ex-Diamondbacks here to enhance warm feelings, most notably Scott Hairston. He was the subject of the infamous DBBP "Free Scott Hairston" campaign a couple of years ago - I still have the T-shirt somewhere. This kinda worked. It was supposed to get him more playing time, but he ended up being traded to San Diego. Twice. Sorry, Scott. Our bad. I still feel guilty about that, so am happy to see him getting regular playing time with the Padres. Lob in Jon Garland and David 'Scrappy' Eckstein, and the place begins to feel like Chase Field West.
Cons. On the staff, Everth Cabrera earned a lot of negative points this afternoon. Safe to say we still dislike some of the Gaslamp Ball residents, given the long and colorful - shall we say - history between them and the 'Pit. A particular highlight was probably the blanket ban imposed by GLB on any Arizona fan they spotted posting there, but there was also the whole "decapitated unicorn" thing, which had its moments. This seems to have cooled off of late, probably because we're too depressed to get into any fights this season, but I must confess, GLB remains the site I check least of our rivals. So I can't really say whether it's still all about exchanging MySpace profiles or whatever.
ROCKIES
Pros. The Rockies are "most like" the Diamondbacks in a number of ways. A mid-market team, reliant more on young players than expensive free agents, and without any real history to speak of, who don't get the respect from the mainstream media they deserve, regardless of their performance. In some aspects, Purple Row is also perhaps the most 'Pit-like of the other sites, with a significantly sabermetric sensitivity, but a palpable sense of "community" that feels familiar. Coors is my favorite of all the NL West park, both for its setting and its location in a vibrant downtown. Phoenix can only dream of that, for now.
Cons. Dinger. What? You need more? Back in March, Jeff Aberle wrote, "I am guaranteeing a NL West crown for the Rockies this year." Such arrogant hubris deserves to be punished by the baseball gods, and I certainly would enjoy rubbing that remark in their faces at the season end. Speak of arrogant hubris, there's also Troyboy, a.k.a. Troy Mileywitzki, for whom a lot of Arizona fans harbor disdain, dating back to at least his pronouncements during the 2007 NLCS that Justin Upton stared at Jeff Francis "too long" and saying J-Up "should be happy getting that base." Whatever trials fate may have in store for Tool-o, will likely be welcomed by many in this part of the world.
NONE OF THE ABOVE
Pros. We are Diamondbacks fans, after all, and so rooting for another team in the division - even if they aren't playing us - somehow seems a bit treacherous. Certainly, we heap scorn here, and rightfully so, on "fairweather fans," who only support their team when it's winning; shifting even a fraction of your loyalties somewhere else smacks of that kind of thing. It's now, when the team is down, that they actually need support more than ever, and there's still plenty of reasons to stay interested in the Diamondbacks down the stretch, as they build for the 2011 season and beyond.
Cons. Well, someone has got to win this fricking thing, and it certainly isn't going to be the Diamondbacks. With seventy-odd games to go until the end of the season, you're going to need something to keep your interest going. Much though fantasy baseball works on an individual player level, baseball is a team sport, and even if you may not want any particular team to win more, there are no doubt teams that you want to win less than others. A team gets the loyalty from its fans it deserves, and as we crawl our way towards 100 losses, it hardly counts as cheating on the D-backs to turn your gaze elsewhere for a bit, and appreciate good baseball
But I'm curious to see what Arizona fans think of all the teams in baseball, not just the NL West. Somewhat inspired by GLB's take on the topic, below is a poll which should take about two minutes to fill in - you just have to click on the scale for your opinion of each team, with the left being good things, and the right being the bad. The default answer is the middle, so you can just leave it there, and only click elsewhere for teams you have an opinion about. You've got a week to respond, and I'll publish the results next Sunday.
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I wouldn't
say I’m “rooting” for any of the NL West teams so much as I’m mildly hoping it’s not the Dodgers, Rockies, or Padres, in that order. I’d be okay with the Padres, though, and the Giants aren’t too bad.
I am actively rooting for the Rangers, White Sox, and Reds to make the playoffs, though.
Quit drooling, vote for me.
Thought about it
Said Rockies, under the caveat that Tulo has a combine accident or two before all is said and done.
I would probably root for any of those guys over the Yankees/Red Sox in a probable World Series.
Bad doormat! No stock options!
Well
“Root” may not be the right term.
“The world may be a better place from seeing Jeter cry like a little baby because one of those guys beat the Yankees in the World Series” is probably more accurate
Bad doormat! No stock options!
The Mariners were left off the list.
I’d give them a 2 for, you know, family reasons. They are awful this year, but they should still be on the list, right?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
LOL. Good catch
Them and Houston too, actually. I’ve added them in now, so we should be okay going forward. If those who voted previously want to provide the numbers for those two, I’ll add them to the spreadsheet on this end.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The poll form reappeared, do you want me to fill it out again? I feel like I am voting twice.
Nice strikeout!
Nah, no need
I had to mark it as “new” to make the changes. Please go about your business. :-)
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Since we are out of it I want the Rockies to take the division.
It would be a complete and utter shame if the Padres won. I have always hated them. They are ranked behind for NYY and Cubs for me.
As for the Rockies, think about it. Had the Dbacks not existed I would have been an Astros and Rockies fan. I was well on my way to being an Astros fan, since I ilked DK and a couple of others.
Nice strikeout!
RIP Darryl Kile!
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly
I am cheering for the Red Sox, and will disown any of you who aren’t ;)
But for the NL West, it’d have to be the Giants. Lord knows it certainly wouldn’t be the Rockies, even though I would like a chance to thoroughly smash them again and make them cry.
by jinnah on Jul 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nah, s'okay
I’d like the Rays if they weren’t in our division. And I liked them a lot better when they were losing, lol.
by jinnah on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say Rockies.
The Padres lost a lot of points with Cabrera being a wuss, and that trollpost in the recap last night.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I got that.
Jw what they said? Jim must’ve deleted it, rather than hiding it, cuz I can’t see it.
Mr. Science Boy
he basically came on saying,
Reynolds must have been frustrated at last place and do you guys enjoy it down there blah blah. I was about to say something, but Jenna replied to one of my other comments so I cancelled it and replied to her. I never got around to replying to the trollpost because the consensus was to just let him be. You missed it.
Nice strikeout!
I never saw it either
What did the Trollpost say?
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind
Just saw Justin’s reply
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was deleted almost right away.
He called Reynolds… err, a part of the female anatomy… when Cabrera was the one that ran away.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 28
Just curious,
who are everyone’s favorite teams?
Mine:
1. D’Backs, of course.
2. Tampa Bay
3. Texas
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
Do you post at the Royals SBN site?
Because I’m very sure they are not as much fun as we are, so you should put the D’Backs as #2. Just cuz you like us.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
It really is a toss-up! I’ve been to Royals games in KC, have an embarrassing amount of Royals gear, one of my most-loved players (Bloomquist) plays there now, and I’ve met some of their players. But the Dbacks have you guys, which is clearly awesome. So it should go:
1. Red Sox
2. Royals/Dbacks
because I can’t decide!
Of course, no one is as fun as you guys are. I don’t even post at OTM because they’re kinda lame.
1. D’Backs
2. Mariners way back there
3. Meh
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh,
I like the Mehs too. They lack enthusiasm, though.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I see what you did there.
Well played.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
For me
It’s the Dbacks and Rockies ALL THE WAY in the NL…in the AL, I’d say the Angels and Twins. I grew up listening to many Angels games on radio and watching on tv with my grandfather and have loved them since. Twins is where I discovered Augie Ojeda ;) I also was a big fan of Kirby Puckett and Kent Hrbek back in the day
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I knew a girl that lived down the road from Puckett,
(or had a friend that did, don’t remmeber.) She said he seemed like a very sweet and nice man.
Nice strikeout!
RIP Kirby!
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless you are implying something I should know but don't?
ala Chounaird, Callaspo, etc?
Nice strikeout!
Also,
in the article mentioned by Frank Deford, it talks about how Puckett used to tell people how much he hated having to meet sick kids in the hospital and stuff.
Mr. Science Boy
1. Dbacks
2. White sox
3. Tampa bay
4 Anahiem
5. Seattle
6. Cincinatti
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
wth
Ignoring me and posting here? :(
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
If someone has to win from the NL West- and as I understand the rules, they do- I’d say…. The Giants, I guess? But really I can’t convince myself I care that much. Whoever it is, I just hope they get swept in the first round.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
as much as i don't want anyone but the dbacks...
I would have to say the padres. Yes, this weekend was ridiculously terrible, but they are a legitimately good team, and it’s nice to see, since they were so bad for so long.
Plus, I think they have something special in latos…watching that kid pitch is awesome.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well.
Shows you how much attention I pay to not the Diamondbacks.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the hard part is
rooting for a team that will likly get their asses handed to them in October, just makes us look even worse….
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
For me it would be...
Dbacks
Cardinals
Rays
White Sox
Mariners
I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!
Mosdef the Rox
Just ’cause I hate the Dodgers and Giants with a passion, the Padres have entered my Arena of Hatred, and I love Colorado.
In general:
D’backs
Cubs
Rox
Don’t really root for anyone else.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
+1
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My Choice?
Never mind. You all know my choice.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
For me,
I root for the following on any one day
DBacks
Cards
Oakland
KC
Tampa
Whoever plays the Cubs
Whoever plays the Yankees
Whoever plays the Mets
Whoever plays the Dodgers
Whoever plays the Bo Sox.
When any 2 of those teams play, I root for Mother Nature.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 19, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. 3rd person to mention the Royals.
1 DBacks
2 Royals
-———real fandom ends——————
3 Cards
4 Rays
5 Rangers
6 Marlins
7 Phils
8 Brewers
9 Rox
10 Twins
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
From St. Louis
so fandom is real. I thought Magrane was robbed of the 1989 Cy Young.
Also, my Joel Youngblood memory is him being put in a headlock by Whitey Herzog.
Don’t get me started on Cards/Mets seat cushion night.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 20, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
imo,
for a closer to win the Cy Young, he needs to be lights out. i disagree with him winning. Looking at the numbers, I think Hershiser should have won.
Nice strikeout!
I believe I had
the Dbacks at 1, with the ChiSox, Rockies, Rays, Nats and possibly the Angels at 2. On the other end of the spectrum, I think I had Boston, the Cubs, the Yankees, the Dodgers, and the Padres at 9, and maybe the Mets at 8.
Mr. Science Boy
Do the Cubs go to 10?
Or better yet “This one goes to 11”.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 19, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Jim—
I’m a bit technologically challenged. How do I see the results of the poll for all the teams?
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

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