Diamondbacks Fire Manager A.J. Hinch, GM Josh Byrnes
by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
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PrintAs initially reported by USA Today's Bob Nightengale and confirmed by others, A.J. Hinch has been fired as manager of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Josh Byrnes has also been relieved of his duties as General Manager. There is no word yet on other possible coaching staff changes. A formal announcement is expected tomorrow (Friday) at 10am with Derrick Hall and Ken Kendrick. The press conference will be aired on FSAZ and foxsportsarizona.com.
A.J. Hinch was hired May 8th, 2009 after Arizona fired Bob Melvin. Hinch had been in his 4th season in the Player Development capacity for the Diamondbacks. He was given a 4-year contract without any previous (minor or major league) coaching experience. He was a major league catcher over parts of 7 seasons with the Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Detroit Tigers, and Philadelphia Phillies.
Hinch led the Diamondbacks to a 58-75 record (70-92 overall) in 2009. The Diamondbacks are currently 31-48, 15 1/2 games behind the NL West-leading San Diego Padres. Hinch's managerial record with the Diamondbacks will end at 89-123, (.420).
Josh Byrnes was hired in October of 2005, replacing interim GM Bob Gebhard. Byrnes signed an 8-year extension during the off season prior to Spring Training 2008. Word on "the street" is that Byrnes was asked to fire Hinch, refused, and was then himself fired. [edit at 8:00am, soco:] Just saw on MLB Network's Quick Pitch that Jon Heyman is reaffirming that Byrnes was canned after refusing to dump Hinch; "he was loyal to a fault, and it may have cost him this time."
Kirk Gibson (current Diamondbacks bench coach) will be named interim manager and Jerry DiPoto will be the interim general manager. (Confirmed by Fox Sports Arizona.)
Link in order of appearance: MLB Trade Rumors, ESPN.com, AZCentral, MLB.com
Press release from Hinch's hiring (5/8/2009) | Hinch's Dbacks.com biography
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Byrnes
Sorta shocking.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
Didn't expect
Byrnes to be gone as well. Although it makes sense.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 1, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So
who’s our interim? Gibson? Porter?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
DI POTO is the interim GM
Porter is… well, nothing new right now.
Can’t jump from 3B coach to GM….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
would be impressive
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Porter
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I know...
…was trying to turn it into self deprecating humor. Sure that’s a movie quote from somewhere too…
HEY EVERYBODY!
This will be more fun than a GDT! Call everybody up and get them on here!
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So...
… If we get a “Fiery” guy and he doesn’t do any better and becomes a “Fired” guy, will the universe collapse on itself?
Bad doormat! No stock options!
by Clefo on Jul 1, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Heehee
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How much blame
Can be placed upon Stottlemyre’s shoulders? In either case, I am in favor of this decision. I think his record speaks for itself.
The first place to start the Ax
Absolutely, more than anywhere. The biggest downfall has been pitching, so how did Stottlemyre slip by???? Maybe he’s next.
Well...
There’s some organizational advocacy for you.
by Azreous on Jul 1, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dude
I definitely feel advocated.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
I do
Good thing both of my parents have posted in this thread.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
lol
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
by "both" are you referring to AJ and Josh or Kishi's parents? Just asking.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
AJ and Josh, I'd assume
Any of my damage is unrelated to my parents, and would take way too long to undo. =)
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Choices for replacements
Manager- Bobby Valentine
GM- Billy Beane
Well
Fredi Gonzalez, who was for all intents and purposes a seemingly effective manager before he got Loria’d, is available
Bad doormat! No stock options!
You think
The FO waited to see who else got canned before letting go of Hinch
It's all about.. well baseball
JUNGITE aut PERITE
by BleedingSedonaRed on Jul 1, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't
Think Beane will want to move with the A’s moving possibly
It's all about.. well baseball
JUNGITE aut PERITE
by BleedingSedonaRed on Jul 1, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
According to Ken Rosenthal
We’re going with Kirk Gibson as our manager. John Gambadoro said Kevin Towers, the former Padres GM, could be a leading candidate to take over Byrnes’s job.
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Link? Twitter?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rosenthal’s comment and Gambo’s comment.
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Thanks
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think AJ knew it was coming? He's seemed sort of disengaged lately.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
You can...
Argue pretty well either way about whether Hinch deserved to stay on or not. I just hope we don’t turn this into a yearly ritual.
Bad doormat! No stock options!
I'm afraid to go the way of the Pirates
I’d say if this move results in a fire sale, THEN we panic.
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that's why, even though
I was not happy at his hire, I was against his firing (pretty moot now). Was he given the best chance to succeed? I don’t think so.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
but don't forget that AJ was the one who selected many of the players in the first place
so he has, uh, had responsibility if the team didn’t have the talent.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think this move is much bigger
from his Diamondbacks.com biography:
under his direction, the D-backs’ minor league system produced key contributors such as Stephen Drew, Micah Owings, Tony Pena, Mark Reynolds, Justin Upton and Chris Young
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Though
Our main weakness has been in the bullpen, and looking at the guys who have failed us there, most of them were signed or traded for, not drafted or in the minor league system.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
don't confuse me with facts.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Awww
father-son disagreements. How cute
:-P
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
not sure how I feel about this. I don’t put much blame on this team on Hinch. Not really his fault the players aren’t playing up to snuff. But someone’s head had to roll. I feel Byrnes’ job was riding on Hinch so if one went, both had to go. Kind of like a Hendry/Pinella situation in Chicago.
I think I’d feel better about this is Stottlemeyer(?) went as well. If any of the coaches I had a problem with it was him. Although, again, I put most of this season on the players and a slight bit on the executive staff.
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“You can’t fire the whole team, so you fire the manager.”
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
Yep. That's exactly what they said last year.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I see a trend
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a
Bad, bad feeling about this…
Kelly Johnson DOES simply walk into Mordor.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jul 1, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
thanks, han
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
SHUT DOWN ALL THE TRASH COMPACTORS ON THE DETENTION LEVEL!!!
Kelly Johnson DOES simply walk into Mordor.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We're fine. Uh, how are you? ZAP! It was a stupid conversation anyway.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Into the garbage chute, flyboy!
Someone has to save our skins.
Kelly Johnson DOES simply walk into Mordor.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the Snakepit
Even in times of major news, we’ll still break down into Star Wars quotes.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
don't get cocky, kid!
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
All the GARBAGE MASHERS on the detention level
:P
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
My bad. I should really know better. :P
Kelly Johnson DOES simply walk into Mordor.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jul 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My, what an interesting smell you've discovered.
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, any more links
or can I be done editing for like 2 minutes to think about this? :)
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go the way of azcentral
don’t think just scream
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2 Minutes?
I’ll give you ten.
or….30, if you need them.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
Thanks for the 10 :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow this makes for an interesting night. What now?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Drinking too?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Oh, no!
I wore my nacho hat today instead!
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Chug that too
…waiiiiit.
Are you sure your name’s not Chris?
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
actually i was goin to have a bottle of Oak Aged Chocalate Yeti Imperial Stout
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I don't know what that is but it sounds awesome
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it is made of awesome
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epic rainbows
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and unicorn blood?
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now THAT sounds yucky
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by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah....they held off on that
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Excellent choice for the occasion!
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If the way they've been playing this year hasn't already driven us to drink ....
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by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I plan on having some tonight
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
I’ve heard your very good at brewing.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
I'm solid, no pro
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
I'm going to need some tips soon
as soon as I get back to the states I’m going to start brewing my own
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gimme a ring, and i'll help
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well I'll probably do that in about a month or two
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Ew
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
what?!
could you suggest any beverage better?
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I'm a girl
I like fruity drinks :)
Honestly I don’t actually like the taste of beer though…. although dark ales are tolerable.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Diamondbacks,
Thanks for helping me out with tomorrow’s SnakeBytes.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
You're a Very Sick Individual
and I like that in a person.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
If you hung around me more often...
I’m pretty sure I’ve said that to Wes. :-P
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
'BOUT TIME
Anyone who didn’t see this coming – for both of them, makes Helen Keller look like she had 20/20 vision!
You should probably
name drop Wailord too, since he technically had it up first.
AND THEN CLOSE HIS THREAD MUA HA HA
And Suns R Us
Who beat Wailord, too, but it was down in the fanshots so I didn’t see it until just now. =)
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Agree or disagree, what were they to do?
I heard the best quote yet about the job of a Manager the other day on MLB Radio…. “You’re hired to be fired and you have to realize that”. You’re the highest paid scapegoat in sports. When the feces hits the oscillating device, the manager’s the one the blame gets placed on. Plain and simple. If a manager can’t win, regardless of how bad his team or bullpen is, he’s gonna go.
So bye-bye AJ…let’s see what happens from here..
Well,
Given the talent, the team should win more games.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
Well
Given the talent, the bullpen should be able to get some outs.
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dangit.
i wish i had known about this before i submitted my caption…
revenge is like a ghost. it takes over every man it touches. its thirst cannot be quenched until the last man has fallen.
And Gambadoro again:
Jerry DiPoto interim General Manager, Kurt Gibson interim manager
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Who is Jerry DiPoto?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Director of Scouting and Player Personnel
Article on AZ Central about him from 2008
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Oh, man
The second to last paragraph there….
Dipoto’s name has been making the rounds in baseball circles, being mentioned among some of the game’s young, fast-rising executives, as have fellow Arizona front-office members Peter Woodfork and A.J. Hinch. As for the Seattle job, Dipoto hasn’t heard anything but sounds eager for a chance to be a GM.
Guy came to Arizona with Josh Byrnes. Whoops.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
That definitely lends credence
to the story that Brynes refused to fire Hinch. Management wasn’t figuring on having to replace Brynes also. DiPoto is probably a lame duck. Not good with the trade deadline approaching.
didn't Hinch hold this position or something like it before he got promoted to Manager?
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh goody.... cuz that worked out so well for us the first time
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But different roles
A guy who’s trained at evaluating talent like that is probably a more natural fit at GM than manager.
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Sort of
He was the director of player management.
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oh my bad
I thought it was the same role. They sound the same.
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I did, too
I only thought to check because DiPoto was in the role while Hinch was there.
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Jerry who?
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
This...
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
jerry colangelo?
LIKE thumbs up
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Check out Buster_ESPN
(tweet, twitt, or wahtever)…. “we just tore apart one of the best front offices in baseball” – a rival executive (my guess it was Moorad who said that). says JB is still highly regarded and will be employeed again very shortly
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Sadface.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
kinda how I felt about JByrnes
valuearb’s DBBP article sold me on that. The more I digest this the more bummed I’m starting to feel.
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I saw Hinch going
to placate the rabid fans. Byrnes is much more surprising to me. I wonder if he left out of solidarity? Hinch has always been his guy.
Wonder if we’ll throw our hat in the Bobby Valentine ring.
While Gibson makes sense, I don’t know how it freaking makes any difference having Hinch with no experience or Gibson with no experience…
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
HE HIT A HOME RUN IN THE CLUTCH!!!
HE KNOWS HOW TO PLAY!! HINCH SUCKED AS A PLAYER!!!!11
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Tranquilizer darts? Anyone?
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sorry that was my best azcentral commenter impression
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It's OK
I was out of darts.
And the dart gun is buried in the closet.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
So
We’ll just have to bludgeon you into unconsciousness.
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saw that coming
I’m in the future remember?
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But remember.
He’s in the future!
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 1, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Veteran presence?
Or something.
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does back flips
in the outfield.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
placate rabid fans?
I hope you are not thinking of the crowd on Azcentral?
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 1, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I can’t say for sure they’re actually rabid
But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What happens with Hinch now?
Does he go back to the office?
revenge is like a ghost. it takes over every man it touches. its thirst cannot be quenched until the last man has fallen.
the what?
You can make something out of anything. Usually.
by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
so does this news even make ESPN?
or do they even realize there is a team out here?
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OMGLEBRONJAMESMAXDEALSTEPHENSTRASBURGBESTPITCHEREVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
revenge is like a ghost. it takes over every man it touches. its thirst cannot be quenched until the last man has fallen.
They're like
“Breaking news: AJ Hinch fired”
… so the Mariners were looking to sweep the Yankees.
No, srsly, that’s what transpired.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
#3 on their sidebar
Beneath Jackson returning to the Lakers, and LeBron…. Well, LeBron not actually doing anything but talking to people, but he still gets top billing.
Remember: Things like "The guy is pretty amazing to watch pitch" obviously translate to "I hate everything about Stephen Strasburg."
BUT HE'S LIKE
THE KING OF BASKETBALL
No, really. This free-agent class is slightly ridiculous.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 1, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My friend Richard saw it on MLBN's ticker
then saw a headline on ESPN.com
Then he came here and saw my story already posted. :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea Byrnes was so unpopular with the FO
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About damn time.
A drunken monkey would do a better job than them.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Well
A drunken monkey would at least get thrown out of the game more often, I agree on that front.
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I would imagine that drunken monkeys wouldn't do much of anything
I have a feeling they would just sit on the bench and eat lots of bananas
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See
The drunk part makes me think vomiting, the monkey makes me think throwing things, and I think you can do the math to see where Bobo gets ejected.
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well alcohol is a depressant so I just assumed a monkey
lacking the higher functioning brain of a human being would be more grossly affected by the de-stimulant. Have you ever seen a drunk dog? It stumbles around and then just lays there the rest of the night.
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I can relate.
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by BigPapaKishi on Jul 2, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
on behalf of drunken monkeys everywhere, I resemble that remark.
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by BigPapaKishi on Jul 1, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just finished watching Jurassic park on Tv
then i turn to espn and my birthday wish has come true. BYE BYE hinch and byrnes. cant believe it took this long
In other news
Chase Utley didn’t just sprain a ligament in his thumb, it separated from the bone and he’ll have to have surgery.
Ow.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
Press conference tomorrow at 10
According to Dave Burns.
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NO. YOU EDIT IT THIS TIME!
Oh wait you can’t. :P Fiiiiiiine…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I was realizing I should have started the post, because then we both could have edited it. Sorry! Tell Jim to promote me.
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Jeez
using a state of emergency to fish for promotions.
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Hey
I would already have been promoted, except I was out of town on the wrong weekend.
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This is true.... :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I told Ken-Ken that I’d love the job, but I’ll be in San Diego all next week.
He prolly thought I was defecting to Moorad.
Mr. Science Boy
Sure, Phil
Sure….
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I do have to say,
I think this was a bad decision.
AJ inherited a team that was nosediving before he took the reigns. Byrnes has done an impressive job with a minimal budget and little support.
DiPoto and KGib should make adequate replacements, however. Maybe even good ones, and many of us have wondered how KGib would do as a manager.
I have to say, I wonder whether the fact that he stayed with the Dbacks when BoMel was fired, AJ was hired, and the rest of the staff departed, means he’s been fishing for managers’ jobs.
Mr. Science Boy
no he probably just yelled at everyone because he's fiery
and then they just gave him the job
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Personally
I understand why it was necessary, but I don’t know if it’s going to make a difference. And I think Byrnes went down because of the performance on the field, when he was still doing some good work as GM, even under less than ideal circumstances. But that’s the way it goes, I guess.
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re: less tha ideal circumstances.
He did a great job for the most part with the tight and rather unrealistic budget he was given. How much money is still on the books? How soon does it all fall off? Once the past debts and signing blunders are off, I would hope the owners live up to their end and invest in the team
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
At the time of the huge Kennedy-Jackson-Scherzer-etc. trade, I felt like this was going to be something that was make or break for Byrnes as GM, and I still think in a couple years we might look back at it as a huge win. Sadly, he won’t be here to take advantage of that for us.
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I think
if Kennedy and Jackson continue to perform the way they have been, that trade will be a giant win.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
With fewer walks, plxkthx ;)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
Kennedy for sure, and I love the fact that IPK was declared “untouchable” in trade talks.
However, we’ve only got E-Jack for another season.
Mr. Science Boy
what past debts?
I don’t know of any that are still on the books.
Unless you mean Eric Byrnes and Josh has no one to blame but himself for that one.
This season: Byrnes, Garland, Tracy, Jackson, and Howry
so far….
Can’t tell who else is on tap for money next year.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Tracy was a free agent. Garland was traded last year (we paid his buyout for the Dodgers, but that was a 2009 expense), and Conor Jackson was traded also. None of those guys are being paid by the D-Backs.
$16 million
being paid to somebody this season
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Cot's baseball contracts
Jackson was traded mid-year, therefore we are paying some of his salary AS AGREED upon in the trade deal. Chad Tracy’s was likely a buy-out.
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I beg to differ
Cott’s obviously has not been updated since Conor got traded. The A’s pay him for the rest of the season. Garland’s buy out I knew about, but we traded him for a player making essentially the league minimum, so it is a wash. Tracy was a free agent, so there would be no buyout. The 100K, which is petty cash, likely is a pro-rated bonus from his earlier contract.
Every baseball team has some left over costs like this. It is budgeted for. The Tigers are paying Willis’ salary except for a pro rated amount of the league minimum.
unless you got a better link
I have to go with what ’charmer posted:
* 2010 payroll obligations for former players:
o $ 2,500,000 (Jon Garland)
o $ 2,000,000 (Bobby Howry) (plus $0.25M 2011 buyout)
o $ 1,600,000 (Conor Jackson) (pro-rated 2010 salary)
o $ 1,000,000 (Chad Tracy)
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh...... did you even read it?
(Wait, I feel like we’ve had this discussion before, today even….)
- Conor Jackson is listed under former players, he’s no longer on the page, and Sam Demel is. What in the world makes you think it isn’t updated? It is.
- Chad Tracy’s is not $100k it is $1,000,000 – that’s $1 million
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deja vu
it’s that damn Matrix glitch again!~ They changed something on us!
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Tracy was a declined option
Which was a $1m buyout.
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From this CNBC article:
Diamondbacks president and CEO Derrick Hall said that the team paid off $16 million this year and will pay off $15 million in 2010, $14 million in 2011 and $13 million in 2012. By 2013, the Diamondbacks will have less than $1.5 million to pay off. Matt Williams’ payments come off in 2014 and Gilkey, whose annual checks go up to as much as $1 million, will be the last one to come off the books in 2017.
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Ahaha, yeah I knew there was at least one tiny player
on the books for another several years. :)
It’s not listed on Cot’s though….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
damn
I was hoping sooner… If our payroll is $75 million, then only about $60 million will go towards the team itself.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Byrnes immediately turn around and head back to a place like Cleveland?
he’s going to find a job
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Oh yeah, I think he'll be fine
Hinch might get to be a bench coach somewhere…. like Larry Bowa is 3B coach now, things like that….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
When Hinch was director of player development,
it seemed like we developed quite a few nice players, even with the early draft picks helping that. I’d imagine another team out there would like to give him a try there, particularly if he doesn’t catch on as a coach.
And here I thought...
…that going to the Aces game tomorrow was going to be the most exciting D-backs news this weekend.
Wow
I’m totally shocked.
It makes sense that they’d be fired as a pair, but for either of them to be fired at all at this point… wow.
I was more in the pro AJ/JB camp, and it’s somewhat hard to find a lot of faults with either’s decisions/game management/trades/etc. (other than the rather major part of not winning, I’ll concede.) I’m looking forward to hearing some rationale for their.
Best line of the early AP writeup:
Hinch, who has a degree from Stanford, was vice president for player personnel when he was moved to the manager’s role, even though he had never even been a coach before. At the time, Byrnes touted Hinch’s "organizational advocacy."
Steve Gilbert had a good recap
of Hinch’s selling points in his article, too.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
by "selling points" I mean
all that Hall said when first hiring him. :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparent GM Shotlist...
1. Logan White 2. Kevin Towers 3. Kim Ng 4. Ben Cherington 5. Al Avila
Thoughts? Be interesting to see Kim Ng get a shot at the top spot finally.
...
how do you SAY ng?
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Like "Ing"
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Either that or "Nuh" which I doubt :)
since “Nguyen” is pronounced “nu-yen”
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Nagoyen??
Noooooooooooo. The G is silent! I don’t know what part of the country you grew up but that’s not how my 9th grade crush’s name was pronounced. Trust me, I heard it alllllll year.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that.
I pronounce it nagoyen out of recognition that I could never pronounce it properly. (And I explain this, always)
Mr. Science Boy
Ohhh. Well you didn't explain that part here :P
I was just thinking you were a dumb gringo but I knew you were slightly more cultured than that!
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
ah okay
you’ll have to excuse me for my ignorance…i grew up in mormo-central. Not a lot of Asians around when I was growing up.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
According to MLB
It’s pronounced “ANG”.
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DEFINITELY
A big Kim Ng fan here. I would be THRILLED to see the D’Backs hire her. She has been on the cusp of getting a GM job for long time now and she is more than ready. She is highly respected throughout baseball, and the last I heard she had never lost an arbitration case, Ng for GM!!!!
anyone got any good memories of hinch?
anything he did of importance?
here’s mine… http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090510&content_id=4659940&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari
revenge is like a ghost. it takes over every man it touches. its thirst cannot be quenched until the last man has fallen.
Interesting
According to Ed Price, they told Byrnes to fire Hinch, he said no, so both were gone.
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Wooow....... THAT would explain
why Byrnes is gone…….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering
if it was a sign of solidarity…like last year with…pretty much the entire coaching staff and Melvin.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Gambo retweeted Ed Price's link
and Todd Walsh retweeted Gambo’s link….. so it sounds like they both heard similar things.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sad face on Byrnes
More or less neutral on Hinch.
Kind of surprised at the timing
I thought the ownership would wait until the All-Star break before making any drastic, impulsive moves. Does this mean Organic Baseball is dead in the desert? If so, count me enthused.
Give me the ball.
From now on
It’s solar powered.
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So. . .
will this night be remembered as “The Thursday Night Massacre?”
Give me the ball.
by NASCARbernet on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Phil
would be able to address that in an historic sense.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
My father was babysitting his siblings that night, as my grandfather and grandmother had gone out, but they came home early because they’d gotten the word that they’d all been fired. (Which ended up being partially true. Cox was fired, and Richardson and Ruckelshaus resigned. Grandpa offered Jaworski his resignation, but Jaworski kept him on.)
Mr. Science Boy
I know that.
I was making a correlation because I knew Phil’s grandfather’s connections to the famous massacre.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If G_d truly loves us,
no.
but that is just my bias speaking
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
He’ll be the new GM’s Court Jester.
Mr. Science Boy
by DbacksSkins on Jul 2, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My view
is I’m glad to see the cold, unemotional technocrats go.
Now, bring in some passionate, fiery, hyper competitive people (Gibson perhaps?) with WINNING TRADITIONS that will not tolerate bad baseball habits, but instead will do what it takes to win on the field.
Give me the ball.
Ugh....
::refuses to respond, restrains self, and cools off by reciting statistics::
Mr. Science Boy
any rain tonight
down in Tucson?
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
De nada
means “you’re welcome.” ;)
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....
no it does not.
::look around nervously::
mi espanol no bueno
:-(
Try Salsa on pancakes. Seriously. It's yummy.
haha
at least you arent afraid to try.
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
We got a little
yesterday afternoon.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
sad
Hinch, sure. Byrnes WHY
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
sounds like Byrnes
was told to fire hinch and he refused
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
seems like a Pyrrhic victory for those that wanted to see Hinch gone
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
i don't like this
granted, i think AJ Hinch is stupid (if only to let our starting rotation wear out their arms like that) but i still think he’s the least of our problems
byrnes hasn’t made any terrible decisions that i’m aware of…and he’s proven pretty good at dumpster diving…i can only hope our next GM is as good as him
this Dipoto guy
sounds like a chip off the ol’ Byrnes. I wonder if he is really getting full control during our soon to come firesale.
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Really
What other option did he have other than to let our starting rotation wear out their arms? It’s not like he could trust the bullpen with the game.
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Seriously.
Scylla and Charybdis. Everyone already knew Charybdis sucked, so AJ strayed too closely to Scylla.
I’ll take those odds.
Mr. Science Boy
Pretty much
And all the while, AZ Central commenters have told us that whirlpools aren’t bad and only an idiot wouldn’t be able to navigate them.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
lol
i like the analogy
in all seriousness though, short term cost versus long term cost. if we’re going to have short term cost be sunk and lose anyway, i’d rather not blow out our SP arms in the process
granted, this is with hindsight that even long outings by our starters couldn’t save our team
by blue bulldog on Jul 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not gonna rub it in
all i’m going to say is good luck to a.j., i hope he gets his front office career back on track.
not sure i would have sent byrnes packing also, but ultimately it was a mistake to give a.j. the manager job and if byrnes couldn’t see that, then i guess he had to go.
Late innings problems solved -- extra doses of Organizational Advocacy all around.
Sheesh
I have a quiet night off with Mrs. S, watching Shirley Valentine, and what happens? This is why we can’t have nice things!
I’ll slap a poll on to the article, gauge some reactions…
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Weren't you alerted by the excessive twittering going on?
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I only look on Twitter
When I am expecting to find something. This evening.. Not so much!
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
And the 18 emails
exchanged by us writers. :)
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Can we have
a vote of no-confidence in Jim?
Wait, what? I’m hearing that I’ve been kicked out of Snakepit Parliament, um… okay. Just you all LAUGH at me while I lead the revolution…
Mr. Science Boy
Don't try it
If I have to, I’ll activate my deep-cover assassin to stop this insurgency.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
This
is why I sleep, at all times, in kevlar, and don’t allow anyone to get close to me.
Mr. Science Boy
I'm willing to put money down that your assassins don't look
nearly as good as the Russian’s spies
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I'd answer that
But it might give away the identity of those who have worked so long to get into Phil’s good graces.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
have you read what a disaster this "spy ring" was?
I’d venture to say whatever you have implanted in fills life tops whatever the former KGB has in skill, if not looks.
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/29/lamest_espionage_conspiracy_ever
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avoid that cess pool
azcentral. The smugness emanating from their story’s comments is rather nauseating
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I avoid
at all costs
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
It's like living in a tropical climate.
Dan Bickley’s columns might be a nasty and annoying mosquito bite, but the comments are the malaria that accompanies them.
Mr. Science Boy
I only stuck around to see the first comment
Something about the guy was sorry to see Hinch go, but glad that Byrnes was finally out.
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Yeah
I think the only way it could have been a more perfect example of why AZ Central is a good place to absorb would have been if it included a “Go Cubs” or something about Joe Arpaio.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
speaking of which....
if byrnes joins the cubs……
sad face
by blue bulldog on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
okay.... just want to make sure I have this down....
The old GM pulls off a deal to bring two starting pitchers in, one who has been a .500 pitcher in his first full year in the rotation, the 2nd guy an all star last year who has really improved over his last five starts including a no hitter on the road against an AL east contender. In return he’s given up a guy who’s gone 3-7 and a reliever who isn’t in the bigs anymore.
signed as a free agent a guy who could be the team’s AS rep in a couple of weeks and a steady-eddy 1st baseman. Gave up nothing for them. Picked up veteran arms who have had servicable ML records to add to the youngsters who showed promise in the BP last year.
the BP explodes, off the charts numbers in walks and blown saves, SP pitching really isn’t that bad but no one in the dugout can seemingly make a productive out but they can all reach the fence.
The BP and SP is attempted to be fixed in low cost moves that do not appear to touch any significant talent in the minors and yet the GM and the Manager get fired…. not sure what in the hell they think Gibson or DiPoto are going to do differently, but it will be interesting to see what happens next.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
...because you can't fire the team,
so you fire the manager. Or you ask the GM to fire the manager, and when he says no, you fire them both.
Also, organizational advocacy.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 2, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Our BP
is British Petroleum bad, so the FO decided to nuke the whole Gulf.
Okay, that analogy isn’t perfect but I’m working on it.
Quit drooling, vote for me.
I don't know
Nuking the bullpen from orbit may be the only option.
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it's the only way to be sure
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
That pretty much describes why I’m not happy to see Byrnes go. Even if Hinch was so bad this was all his fault, I’d rather see him for another couple months if it meant we’d keep JB around for a couple of years.
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Finally
got home from class.
Personally I think this was a stupid move. Maybe it will work out if they get the right person for the GM position, but this effectively delays any rebuilding/reloading effort for the team. You thought we might just be reloading? Well, too bad now. I can’t reasonably expect the D’backs will be competitive until 2013 at the earliest.
Quit drooling, vote for me.
I'm waiting for Wimb
and Hot claws to wake up and check the site. they’re in for a surprise
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 2, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Although if Wimb's on the 3am shift again today
He’s already seen it. :) Doubt he was able to report on it though lol
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mmm dessert
Derrick Hall’s check list
1. Fire AJ Hinch
2. Deal with Insubordination of GM
3. Fire GM
4. Wonder, what the hell do we do now
5. Dessert?
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that just happened
couldn’t remember what it was titled. Keys to the Game, committed to memory.
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He at least got the dessert part right
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those are catastrophes
I like to back over them with my car. The crunch under the tires is music to my ears.
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Poor hotclaws
She said something earlier today about how her laptop was having problems, so she can’t get online much.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
I'm a 49ers fan..
And I can kinda relate this to Singletary being hired a few years ago… Not much coaching experience, successful as a player, and commands respect just by looking at him. Singletary has improved the team with his leadership, I expect Gibson to do the same. It will take a bit, but I’m hoping this is what was needed..
Enough football comparisons, Come on dbacks! Make the most of the season. Gibsons first game against Dodgers… Ironic.
Wow,
I don’t really like this, personally, about Byrnes.
I’m excited to see what Gibson will do, though.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
+ general agreement
Seems as though the consensus is that AJ had to go, but Josh should have stayed.
Mr. Science Boy
I hope not
some of the select pieces can still be moved, but if they blow this team up imma be ticked.
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The benefits to being a real reporter.....
Players react, think Gibson will do fine
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so it sounds like AJ was somewhat doomed from day 1
Webb and Snyder sound upset about BoMel and weren’t going to give Hinch the light of day.
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There were several, I remember,
who were quite upset with BoMel’s firing. There were no public messages of support for the change like this.
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I have no idea about Kirk Gibson's managerial acumen (?) Timbre?
I was of the ignorant opinion the guy had been given honorary bench positions based on his 15 Minutes Of Limping, Fist – Pumping Fame back in the ’80s.
So convince me he’s worthy, o learned ones. And that he’ll make a difference.
Or not.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jul 2, 2010 3:40 AM EDT reply actions
he essentially has the same amount of "experience" that AJ had
he’s never managed a game in his life. But he’s been riding the pine watching other people do it. But damn it he’s fiery!
That being said, I don’t have an issue with him as interim for the time being. Not really any other choices except Bo Porter, but I think Porter leap frogging Gibson means we would see Gibson packing his bags as well.
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There are a few BIG differences here
between AJ & Kirk…
- - AJ was never a coach anywhere, all he did was do the minor leagues for the DBacks and not sure what else, but no coaching jobs..
- - Kirk has been a bench coach (better titled assistant manager) for 3 years with the DBacks and 3 years prior with the Tigers
- - Kirk had a greater playing career, and played under 2 of the all-time best managers in the game.. (maybe more, but I can’t think of any others off hand) Sparky Anderson & Tommy Lasorda… tough not to pick up anything from them
And finally #4…. a manager is supposed to take control of a clubhouse… not let a feeling out period happened (shouldn’t have been 13 months…but that’s something else) and we know Gibby is a take-charge, no nonsense guy…
My opinion is he should have got the job in the first place
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While BEING a player has some merit I'm not certain that it's the meat of managing them.
Managers need to work out their chops like ballplayers do. Rarely does a ballplayer get hired and dropped into the highest level of achievement – why do managers?
Are there not proven people below (in the farm system) that Gibson could switch with?
And then after a proven season or two maybe he gets to helm the big boat.
Honestly, given the option I’d rather ease in. He’s being given a temporary job that he’s probably not going to succeed at, and then he’ll probably be replaced. Otherwise (and, frankly, they’re already doing it) it’s simply a repeat of Hinch’s term.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jul 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Psst,
it won’t make a difference. At least, not a long term one. The bullpen won’t stop sucking. The offense won’t stop being disappointing after the hot start. The starting pitching won’t stop being overworked.
Why get rid of Hinch if it also cost you Byrnes?
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
This was my thinking
The FO surely cant believe that this will turn the season around. Why not wait and try to keep Byrnes?
Maybe that gives Byrnes too much power but still.
What a crap day for the DBacks/Suns
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I'll go with the majority!
II’ve said before there was no leadership with the Diamondbacks, not in the dugout, not in the front office. There was no getting these kids who have shown numerous times they have the talent, to perform on a steady basis. I’ve like Gibby all along because I thought he was a kick ass guy who might encourage these guys instead of making excuses for them. I thought it was Byrnes time to leave with the Byrne deal and some others he made. Every time he gave a big contract that player seemed to stop playing his best.
Sadly Fredi is going to end up in Atlanta, and I don’t want to see a guy who wears phony glasses and a mustache in the dugout so go somewhere else Mr. Valentine.
Porter could be the guy, I guess we will see but I don’t think Gibby will get a case of the hurts and stomp off, he is too much a baseball guy from the good old days.
We have a cancer on this team, one that affects the rest of the team and that cancer is the bull pen. Fix the guys lounging out side the fence and maybe give the rest of the team a reason to try.
Now, how do we get rid of Hall and Kenrick?
not even as good as Pirates
they have some very good talent in the minors. they just are forced to promote too fast, becaus ethey trade players too quickly
New D'back's manager
Kirk Gibson is the perfect fit for the D’backs. He brings a World Championship ring and video evidence of what grit and determination can achieve. He has been schooled in fundamental small ball, manufacturing runs baseball, in the Dodger organization. If he is allowed to impart that knowledge and experience along with his football agressiveness to Arizona baseball, he will earn the moniker “skipper” next year and for the forseeable future. I believe he will turn things around enough to show that “swinging for the fences” is not a winning stratagy for a manager. A baseball team needs to be in attack mode, keeping the opposition guessing " will they bunt, steal, take, swing away or play hit and run?" especially when you have a man on second with no outs. It’s not brain surgery. Good luck Kirk and D’backs, the Arizona fans deserve better than what the previous managers gave us. Hoping for the best is not exciting baseball, manufacturing runs is exciting baseball and a winning stratagy for a manager.
Kirk Gibson
The new manager should be fast on the trigger and bring the hook when a pitcher either can’t find the plate or gets hit hard by consecutive batters. Let the starters and relievers know that poor performance means that they may be on their way to the bench and then the minors. The season is too short to extend spring training into the season for a weak battery, yes I include catchers. Bring up arms from the farm teams until you find a rotation that responds to the demands of professional baseball. Tough love means being pulled from the game early and often if you deserve it. I believe Kirk is up to the challenge.
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