Should the MLB implement a new instant replay policy?
For those of you that have not yet seen what took place earlier tonight in the Indians-Tigers game, 28-year-old Armando Galarraga took the hill for Detroit in just his third start of the season after being called up to replace an injured Dontrelle Willis and threw what one Tigers broadcaster described as "greatest pitching experience in Tiger history." He mowed down the opposition, retiring the first 26 batters with ease (with help from a spectacular defensive play), throwing a minuscule 80 pitches, 62 of which were thrown for strikes. Indians shortstop Jason Donald walked up to the plate, falling victim - like the rest of his team - to Galarraga, grounding out to first baseman Miguel Cabrera, who flipped quickly over to the bag, retiring the 27th batter of the game. At least, that's what should have happened.

Is there any question that the runner's out?
After it all ended, I immediately flipped to ESPN (the only sports channel available to me at the moment) and opened up a few sports blogs to get the knee-jerk feedback. The blogosphere lit up - all comments invariably angry - with people calling for Joyce's immediate termination, as well as some other "colorful" options for the umpire. Something else, though, that was continually brought up, is the topic of instant replay. The announcers during the Wednesday Night Baseball game spoke about it. The Tigers broadcasters spoke about it. SBNation's Tigers blog BlessYouBoys spoke about it, and a simple Google search shows that the topic's been brought a new life with the recent circumstances. Say what you will about the topic, there's no doubt that the blown call certainly lends credence to the argument in favor of instituting some form of instant replay.

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I've seen a few theories about how exactly the MLB should implement its form of replay, the most prominent of which is similar to the one currently used in the National Football League, in which the coach (manager) has an allotted amount of "challenges" that can be used to try and overturn botched calls. Once a challenge is used, the officials confer and video replay is used to find "incontrovertible visual evidence" proving that the call was incorrect, and if it's found, the call is overturned. Some fans are calling for an MLB implementation of this, wherein managers are given one challenge per game to use at their will. To put it to an obvious situation, Jim Leyland could have used his token challenge (had it gone unused up until this point) to review Donald's "hit", resulting in what one can only assume would be a proper "out" call, cementing Galarraga's spot in the baseball history books.
Another system that I've seen called for (granted, nowhere near the scale of the challenge system) is to have a dedicated "replay" umpire, an umpire that would watch the game and call for plays to be reviewed when he sees fit. This method, which would likely be quite successful, would have plenty of drawbacks. What if there are five poorly-called plays in the game, or this replay official incorrectly calls for a review? The games would end up being longer than they need to be, killing any momentum that the game may have had going at the time. Not as feasible as the first option, but it's certainly an idea and good food for thought.
Maybe the MLB could simply revise their current stance on home run calls and extend it to the rest of the game. As of now, if there's any sort of question whether a home run's fair or foul, whether it cleared the fence, or whether or not a fan interfered with the play, the umpires confer and view the play again, then reversing the call if necessary. The system could easily be expanded to include all plays of these sorts - if anything is borderline, it gets reviewed, ensuring that the game's played as fair as possible and called the same way. Again, though, I fear that a system like this would severely hinder a game's flow, as these sort of borderline plays happen constantly, from the first pitch until the final out., and thus, I still don't see this as feasible as a challenge system.

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That's not to say, though, that the challenge method is by any means "perfect", though. Where would you draw the line - could the managers use their challenges to calls balls and strikes, or should it only be limited to plays? What about something like an incorrectly-called balk? Would using any sort of these systems set a dangerous precedent, leading to a future where umpires are altogether abolished or have their power minimized, balls and strikes being called electronically At what point would we be putting the days of the "human element" behind us, entering a largely technologically-officiated game?
Regardless of what the MLB decides on (if it ends up putting any sort of replay system into effect), there will be backlash from all sides over how "poorly" it's done and how it ruins the sanctity of the game, removing the "human" element. If they don't do anything, they run the risk of a repeat of Joyce's now infamous call, a situation where absolutely no one wins. It's entirely possible that my position on all of this can be attributed to the fact that I haven't been around the baseball scene for very long at all (if it puts it in perspective, I grew up in the heart of the Steroid Era), which could explain why I don't see the issue in slightly removing the human element. I don't see the harm, really - no matter the argument, any chance of repeating what happened tonight needs to be removed from the game as soon as possible. A young pitcher went out there, and did everything right, and the "human element" turned his piece of baseball history into yet another one of the other 622 complete game one-hitters.
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I voted no.
Great article. This is why I voted no…
I understand this was a serious BLOWN call, no one will dispute this. And I understand the significance of just how important this last out was, history to be made. But like you said, replays will seriously slow an already slower paced game way down.
To be fair, umpires do a pretty good job at calling games, in my opinion. And you don’t see many calls as completely wrong as this one. So every “close” play will then be replayed.. There are ALOT of close plays in a baseball game.
Also, for the idea of having “challenges”, say one per team per game, had Leyland say used a challenge when his team was on offense over a disputed foul/fair hit, there still wouldn’t be a replay of the last out, so it really would mean nothing?
Those are just my opinions. Baseball is a slow sport, which I don’t have a problem with right now. But I don’t think it should be made slower.
You have to admit
That this kind of call is probably made 9/10 times.
I voted yes but at the same time I could live without it. Honestly, I’d be happy either way. Whether or not a replay system is set in place, I’ll still be watching baseball and calls will still be blown. It doesn’t matter much to me.
Wear your own fur.
9/10 is not good enough
I’d say umps get this call right 99 times out of 100, possibly more. This particular play looked strange in real time, which is why he missed it.
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I voted "no"
because I don’t think that’s a workable system for baseball.
Everyone likes to point to football’s instant replay as some kind of gift from the sky, but let’s be honest. It’s awful. Maybe when it’s the difference between scoring or not you should take 5 minutes to figure out the call, but all the other times it just takes too long. People whine incessantly about baseball’s length, and now most of these same people want to add instant replay?
That doesn’t mean there can’t be a system that works. Perhaps there needs to be a “fifth umpire” who’s job it is to get the HD feed and watch it from the box. If there’s a controversial call, it can generally be determined within a minute by watching all these new camera angles and speeds. So something happens, the manager comes out to argue, the fifth umpire goes to work and radios down the right call to the crew chief, who then either overrules the call on the field or upholds it. With training I bet this could be done in less time than a manager takes to argue these calls.
Some rules would have to be in place, though. It should only be used for outs, runs, or fouls. That covers most of the game, but shouldn’t be used for balls and strikes. Second, like in football, when a call is reversed or upheld that’s it. The manager (if he’s out there arguing) needs to go immediately back into the dugout with no further words, or is ejected from the game.
I’d think this would be a workable system that wouldn’t alter what the game of baseball has been like for over 100 years.
We fell asleep in the middle of the fury.
the only problem here
is that for every borderline call, the team that appeared to benefit has an incentive to hurry up and start the next play, and the team that appeared to be hurt by the call has every incentive to go out and argue about it for a few minutes.
if I’m a manager, and there’s a close play that could have gone either way, and the other team is pitching, i’m going to go out there and politely take up the umpire’s time for three or four minutes so that the replay official has a chance to overrule
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Unfortunately
there has to be a way to limit it, or as you pointed out, people will abuse it.
We fell asleep in the middle of the fury.
Two things
1) I can’t see the ball in your top picture, so who knows if he’s out.
2) I voted no for the same reasons as soco and ZonaBacks10. Baseball is already too slow.
I think a much better and more entertaining system would be a very public scoring of umpires. Mistakes made add up and mistakes as the game go on are worth more. The bottom, say, 3 umpires at the end of the season are send to AAA to be replaced by the top 3 AAA umpires from the previous season. It’s reality television, which America loves for some reason, and baseball with a common foe of the public, the umpires. Good bye, Angel Hernandez.
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I wanted to put the full shot
But it’s just too big and looks awkward. I took the frame that’s being used on nearly every article. What you see in that picture is the exact moment the ball reaches Galarraga’s glove. I should’ve clarified, mah bad.
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You know what, I'm glad that happened
First, that is the value of human element. In my view, a blown call to break up a no-hitter is equivalent to a smoking line drive hit right at a fielder to preserve it. There is an element of luck to everything (ahem Dallas Braden ahem), let’s get over it already.
Second, all these random guys suddenly pitching no-hitters is getting a little old, to a point where a no-hitter or a perfect game is kind of a “meh” thing. It’s not supposed to be a perfect storm of good pitching and bad hitting, a perfect game is the highest single-game pitching achievement. If for every Randy Johnson there are two Dallas Bradens doing it, what’s the value of this achievement in the first place?
I’m glad this happened. Finally an umpire with the nuts to not bow to the pressure of the situation. The baseball fan in me is disgusted every time I see a gigantic strike zone or batters being falsely called out at first in late innings of a no-hitter just because the circumstances are favoring the pitcher.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
bow to the pressure?
good grief, there was no pressure, he was out by a mile. did you even watch the play?
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Half a step. Maybe you should watch the play again.
No pressure? Are you serious?
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Get real
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness
Watching live, it’s a DAMN close play… Only when we slow it down is it completely obvious that he is out… I think there is pressure. And if there wasn’t, he def is feeling it now!
He looked out to me when I initially saw the play
However, my eye was probably biased, as I was rooting for Galarraga 100% of the way. The Tigers announcers sounded so drained when they reported he was called safe…
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Yeah
There was one camera angle live where i wasn’t sure, but there was another one where it looked out. and then obviously slow motion showed it not a close play at all.
oh well. Im ready for the earth to start moving again.
Im ready for the earth to start moving again
AFTER the weekend please. I need to catch up on some stuff
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
funny how two different people see this then
as there is nothing fair about it. Joyce completely blew the call and he even admitted it right after the game.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a tough call
the pitcher caught the ball while stepping towards the bag
he didn’t catch it very cleanly—he snowconed it
i think those two things threw Joyce off. on the close plays at first the umps tend to watch the feet and listen for the sound of the ball hitting the glove. or they watch the glove and listen for the runner hitting the base. because both parts of the play were a little off for the fielder, the ump missed it.
when he saw the replay, he owned up to missing it, but that doesn’t mean it was an easy call to make in real time.
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by skoormit on Jun 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I think what made it close was the fact that Armando was not on the bag when he caught the ball. There is no doubt the throw beat him by almost a step, but it’s the fact that the pitcher had to step on the bag after the catch that made it a bang-bang play. Joyce got it wrong, no doubt, but it wasn’t “OMFG YOU’RE A DUMB**S HE WAS OUT BY A F*****G MILE OPEN YOUR EYES” like a lot of fans and the media making it to be.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
Maybe you need a high-definition TV. Or a pair of glasses.
Or a splash of “nice” in your morning coffee.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
Dallas Braden pitched a fantastic game
there is a metric on whether a fielder should record an out on a certain hit and all 27 outs Braden recorded were of the 65%+ that the play should be made. He pitched the prototype game of how a contact pitcher should pitch.
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The Old Grouch's Opinion
First, well done, Wailord! I thought about doing a post about the replay debate, but you’ve written a much better one.
I’m strongly in the “no” camp, which shouldn’t surprise anyone. I’m a grumpy old traditionalist who still thinks the DH is an abomination.
One of the beauties of baseball is the way a “quirk” can impact the outcome of the game. The human frailty of the “error” and the corresponding joy of a great play are part of what makes the game so interesting. Arguing the “if” (as in “if Johnson makes the throw, the game wouldn’t have gone into extra innings”) is something fans love to do. Yelling “we was robbed” and blaming the umpire is a rich baseball tradition.
As you point out, baseball includes some subjectivity. Balls and strikes and ‘bang-bang’ plays are not precise. But often, even after seeing the replay multiple times, the call could go either way. While yesterday’s was clearly a “bad call”, most disputed calls are more vague. And the ensuing arguments are often entertaining. Would Earl Weaver have been anywhere near as much fun if the ump walked away to a replay booth? I don’t think so.
There are “breaks” in the game that give a team a win they probably didn’t deserve. But over the course of a 162 game season, they tend to even out. The “fluke” and the “quirk” and the “bad call” happen to every team at one time or another. Part of what makes baseball so “perfect” is its imperfection. The “perfect game” is so rare because it requires a certain amount of “luck” (no ‘seeing eye ground ball’ for example), and “bad luck” has spoiled hundreds of great pitching performances.
As for the speed of the game…what’s the rush? Baseball is supposed to be leisurely. If you’re looking for fast pace, go watch basketball or soccer. I’ll relax and sip my beer as the game slowly unwinds.
And yell “we was robbed” when the umpire blows the call.
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I voted "yes" but I struggled with that decision and now wish I could change it
Part of what makes baseball so "perfect" is its imperfection. The "perfect game" is so rare because it requires a certain amount of "luck" (no ‘seeing eye ground ball’ for example), and "bad luck" has spoiled hundreds of great pitching performances.
As for the speed of the game…what’s the rush? Baseball is supposed to be leisurely. If you’re looking for fast pace, go watch basketball or soccer. I’ll relax and sip my beer as the game slowly unwinds.
This is my line of thinking as well. And to build off of it… the outrage over this is obviously a reflection of the advancement of the media. Games played in decades past might have had a few sports writers with typewriters and one or two tv channels. News of a blown call probably extended as far as the city limits or farther because someone’s cousin called to shoot the breeze.
Now we have outspoken writers that know they can make ESPNs frontpage by taking a hardline stance and calling for the Umps job.
I feel bad for the guy, but as heartless as this may sound, its the nature of the beast.
My imagination is greater than your nay-say.
by Jargamus Prime on Jun 3, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting Aside
Don’t feel too sorry for Gallarraga. He certainly isn’t feeling sorry for himself: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/galarragas-thoughts-the-morning-after/
He’s against replay.
“We’re human, we go make a mistake, nobody is perfect. In that situation everybody is focused to do their best thing.”
Very classy.
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Gallaraga has responded well to this
Didn’t get upset at the umpire, just pitched and got his last out, and all the quotes I’ve seen from him have been absolute class. Good for him.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only agree
I think Karl Ravech was saying that one of the bigger reasons that he didn’t make the rotation for Detroit was his attitude. You’ve got to imagine the majority of people (myself included) would get absolutely ballistic if something like that happened to them.
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he looked at the ump and smiled when the call was made
to me, his compuse in that moment—on the verge of baseball immortality, only to have it taken anyway by someone else’s mistake—is the big part of the story. that’s the part i’ll play up when i tell my kids about it.
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That's probably what'll stick with me, too
He had a look on his face like “You’re joking, right?” But he didn’t argue, didn’t yell, he just went out and got the out he needed.
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it reminded me of a good poker player
some poker players get upset when someone makes a bad play and still wins. they rant and rave and fume and spew and vent. other players don’t. they just say “nice hand” and move on to play the next one. they recognize that in the long run, bad plays lose a lot more than they win. the difference between how Galarraga reacted to the call and how I imagine a more hot-headed type reacting (i’m picturing Roger Clements) reminds me of how those two types of poker players react to a bad beat.
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by Wailord on Jun 3, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you, by the way
pygalgia, for the kind words and the good points. I can definitely see how long-time fans of the game would be opposed. To me, expanding instant replay is just creating a fairer game. I imagine that it represents a fundamental shift in the game’s heart and soul to all of those that’ve watched forever…
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Not "Forever"
only the past 46 years. Which might sound like “forever” to a youngster like you.
Thanks, though.
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Fallout
Kind of fun to notice all the fallout from the “bad call” in the news. MLB (and by “MLB” I mean Bud Selig), looking at reviewing the call, and possibly overturning it. Michigan Gov. Granholm is urging the state legislature to declare the game a “perfect game” (not sure how you list a state proclamation in the record books), and the U.S. House of Representatives may also hold hearings about the call. Also, Gallarraga brought out the lineup card to Joyce (who’s home plate umpire today) for today’s game, with an exchange of hugs.
“Just a game”, right?
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Lol
That is pretty crazy.
I feel bad for Joyce… Everyone makes mistakes.. He knows he was wrong, admitted it. Now we get to watch is on ESPN for the next week. Wonderful.
And MSNBC.
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Didn’t know any of that, but I’ll take your word for it. I really don’t know what I think about overturning the call… if they reviewed it then, I’d be 100% for it. But once you start getting into the territory of changing games that have already been completed, I don’t know what I think. I wouldn’t want to watch a close game and think “oh, I hope they don’t change that tomorrow”. I don’t know. I felt differently yesterday, but at this point, it seems like it certainly calls for some sort of instant replay (obviously only my opinion), but going back and changing games… even though the final score will stay the same, I dunno. It won’t be the same as a true perfect game (even though it was, if that makes sense?)…
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Yep, it's a *very* dangerous precedent
Changing game calls after they have been completed? Not sure that’s a road I would want to go down.
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Update
ESPN is reporting that Selig “won’t reverse the call”, which is the safe way to go.
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It is
and it really is a sad story.
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Kind of fun to notice all the fallout from the "bad call" in the news. MLB (and by "MLB" I mean Bud Selig), looking at reviewing the call, and possibly overturning it. Michigan Gov. Granholm is urging the state legislature to declare the game a "perfect game" (not sure how you list a state proclamation in the record books), and the U.S. House of Representatives may also hold hearings about the call
Reminds me of the Stanford v. Cal football game. Standford list it as a ‘win’, they don’t recognize that last TD by Cal.
by Spaghetti_Monster on Jun 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted yes
Baseball is a business. Pitchers, players and coaches’ worth are determined by performance. Yes, it might add to the delay, but there would be no controvery today if there had been replay.
business, yes
but one that has been around for over 100 years just fine without replay. Yes, there is the argument of sport catching up with available technology…but I would personally rather see every mlb park have those nifty straight center cams before instant replay or a pitch clock (looking at you, SEC)
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by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i vote yes
There are ways to do replay well.
I recognize that the pace of the game is a concern. MLB certainly doesn’t want to make games longer. So use the college football model: every play is reviewed by a dedicated ref, who stops play only if he needs more time to make sure of the call. Any out/safe call and any boundary call should be reviewable. There are only a few of these per game that are questionable, and the video evidence usually makes the play immediately reversible or confirmable. It would take much less time than football calls, which are much more complex.
To prevent managers from taking matters into their own hands and wasting time on the field so that the review ump has a better chance to overturn the call, just tell managers that they can’t come out and argue calls any more. I wouldn’t miss it.
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I say yes.
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I should also
thank whoever it was that promoted this (I assume Jim). Writing this was fun, and actually forced me to go and figure out a) where I could find this fabled “pitch f/x” and how to use it (granted, I only used it for pitch-by-pitch of the game), then had to use bbref to find the one-hitter info. Stats are a fun thing and certainly part of what makes baseball the greatest sport out there, woo.
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No problem
Your piece was interesting, topical and well put together – pretty much a prototype for what to do if you want to get a Fanpost front-paged. Look forward to more (especially now you have full access to the Play Index!).
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I just gotta wait
for something else worth debating pops up, or else I’ll revert to some random topic that’s been debated for awhile. This just happened to address both. I also just quickly ran through it again and edited it… it’s sorta surprising how many mistakes I find every time I review something I write. I think imma try to put out a post a week, using the whole week for research and writing. It should be fun, and thanks again for the PI access!
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Personally
I say yes. I would in no way object to having an extra umpire in a room in the stadium, watching the game and able to review the plays from there. In fact, it couldd help take care of one of the things I hate about the current review situation- I think it’s dumb that they have to take all the umpires off the field to go look at the video. Why not just have someone already in the room to do it?
Teams can already stall if they want to- pitcher takes forever to get on the mound, or the batter keeps stepping out of the box. It’s going to happen, and unless MLB wants to put a clock on it (which I’d be against) then there’s not much they can do about it.
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