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First Thoughts Towards a 2011 Roster

As our slim chances of this season going anywhere continue to evaporate faster than Lindsay Lohan's sobriety, the thoughts of Diamondbacks fans inevitably turn towards the future. Unspecified "changes" have been promised by the team management: while we wait for details of these, let's speculate on what the composition of the 2011 Diamondbacks roster might be. Note: this is based on players currently available to the team, because it is basically impossible to project what we may receive in terms of a return, for anyone we trade. Obviously, those we receive will factor into the make-up of the actual roster.

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Starting Position Players

There's a trio of significant changes here. Adam LaRoche is gone - one way or another, with the most likely method being a trade of him in the near future. Failing that, he's a free agent at the end of the year, and his production here has been merely tolerable for $4.5 million - an OPS of 102 for a first-baseman doesn't exactly scream "Re-sign me!" Is Brandon Allen ready to replace him? He got off to a very slow start to the season in Reno, in part because he was dealing with a shoulder issue. However, he seems to have been better since his return from the DL: while his BA is only .256, he has 16 walks to nine strikeouts, giving him a .458 OBP and a .993 OPS.

Kelly Johnson or Stephen Drew? Though Johnson is a year further into his career - 2011 will be his third and final arbitration season, compared to Drew's second - he will still likely have greater value. This season, he earns $2.35m, while Drew is getting $3.4m, and even if he gets a significant bump due to his production this year, would seem to be a better investment. With Tony Abreu able to replace either, trading Drew while there is still two years left on his contract would appear to provide the most potential return.

Whenever mrssoco falls for a Diamondbacks' left-fielder, it appears to be a doomed relationship - see Eric Byrnes, Trent Oeltjen and now, it seems, Conor Jackson. The team still controls Jackson next season, but if they had to make a decision right now, it would seem questionable as to whether they would want to offer him a contract. He will likely earn $4-5 million next season, in his last year of arbitration. While we recently discussed the reasons, some of which are outside CoJack's control, for his lack of production, he will need to improve radically for the rest of the season to justify his spot in 2011.

It's one spot where we do not appear to have an immediate replacement. Cole Gillespie has performed the best of the contenders this season, with an OPS+ of 96, albeit in only 42 PAs. Gerardo Parra has seen most of the "fourth outfielder" playing time, but an OPS+ of 73, even though that's carefully protecting him from facing left-handed pitching (two PAs vs. LHP this year!) does little to suggest he is ready for a full-time job. Rusty Ryal is a possible contender, though his lack of experience, at both major- and minor-league level, would seem to make him less suitable for this role.

Bench

I fully expect us to have traded Chris Snyder between now and next Opening Day; and John Hester has not exactly torn things up in his opportunities this season. Offensively, he is hitting just .188. and defensively, he is perhaps even worse. To date, Hester has allowed sixteen wild pitches in only 117.1 innings - that's one every 7.3 innings, compared to an NL average of 27.3. And he has also allowed 15 stolen-bases without throwing anyone out. Given he's already 26, can we expect much improvement? There's Carlos Corporan down in Reno, but I'd go with Konrad Schmidy, currently hitting .310 down in Double-A.

On the infield, I don't think we'll see Augie Ojeda back next year. He may have been cheap, at $825 K, but he is on pace to get just six starts this season, and that just doesn't seem like a credible use of a roster spot. I wouldn't mind keeping our R-men about for next season though, and they should get a bit more playing time, with Abreu starting everyday at short-stop, and Parra can still get some playing time in the outfield, where his flexibility makes him usable at all three positions. There would still be one bench spot available: I'm thinking a veteran 1B/3B type - there's quite a few potential free-agents.

Starting Pitching

  1. Dan Haren
  2. Ian Kennedy
  3. Jarrod Parker
  4. Rodrigo Lopez
  5. Wes Roemer

At a cursory glance, the DIamondbacks would seem to be in great financial shape for next season. After all, there's $20 million available to be spent, freed up by the end of the Eric Byrnes Show contract, and the almost-certain departure of Brandon Webb. However, the truth is, the vast majority of that cash is already spoken for, in increases due to those already under contract. Haren and Reynolds get $4.5m more; Jackson $4.15m; Young $1.75m; Snyder $1m. That's $16 million already, and then there are arbitration increases for the likes of Montero, Drew and Johnson. Even if we trade away Snyder, you can probably consider the vast bulk of the $20 million spent.

Still, I would tend to want to hang on to Haren. Even at $12.75 million, as he's due for next year and 2012, that's by no means extortionate, assuming he is the pitcher he has been on average since coming here (an ERA+ of 132), and with a June ERA in three starts of 2.08, there's signs he is returning to his best form. That's the kind of ace round which you can build a rotation, and if Ian Kennedy can continue to develop in the fine way he has shown to date - a 142 ERA+ - then that would be a solid 1-2 punch, even without Webb.

Will Parker be part of the 2010 rotation? He's currently rehabbing from Tommy John surgery which took place last October, but it seems to be going well so far, with the 21-year old right-hander hoping to get back into minor-league games in August. All things being equal, he'll probably throw in the Arizona Fall League to get some additional innings in, and then compete for a rotation job in spring-training. The #9 overall draft pick in 2007, he hasn't pitched above the Double-A level to this point, but his mid-90's fastball and good secondary pitches have drawn comparisons to Roy Oswalt. That'd do.

At the back of the rotation, I wouldn't be averse to seeing Rodrigo Lopez re-signed for another year, at the right price. He has performed pretty well, all told - especially given the low cost and the fact that he was basically a reclamation project for Josh Byrnes. This also assumes that the wildness of Dontrelle Willis proves to be something which is not curable; I'm a good bit less optimistic about that possibility after his second start, than I was following his debut at SnakePitFest 3, and think he'll likely end up being allowed to go his merry way at the end of the year.

For the back end, I'm going with Wes Roemer, who was one of our supplemental first-round picks in 2007. He's 23, and was promoted from Mobile to Reno on May 17th, having gone 2-1 with an impressive 2.39 ERA in Double-A and a K:BB ratio of 43:11. He has not been quite so good in Triple-A - a 4.75 ERA in five outings, and the K:BB ratio has also suffered, sitting at 19:16. Matt Torra is an alternative possibility, with a 4.31 ERA for the Reno Aces, after eleven starts and 71 innings of work.

Relief Pitching

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No, really. I haven't got a frickin' clue. We have currently got exactly two relievers who have posted an ERA under six for the Diamondbacks this season. Those are Aaron Heilman and Esmerling Vasquez, and the former is a free-agent at the end of the year: I think there will likely be quite a demand for his services, given a 2.83 ERA for Arizona. The same is unlikely to be the case for Chad Qualls, who just hasn't seemed right (to put it mildly) since his knee injury. The guy we were perhaps looking to replace Qualls as our closer in 2011 - Juan Gutierrez - has an ERA of 9.22 in 23 games, and seems fit purely for working the Home-Run Derby at the All-Star Game. 

Looking down at Triple-A, there isn't looking to be much bullpen help riding to the rescue from Reno. The only two relievers with more than twenty innings pitched and an ERA under 5.50 there, are Jason Urquidez (4.24 ERA) and left-hander Jordan Norberto (4.43 ERA), the latter of whom has already been tried and found wanting at the major-league level, having walked six people in three innings of work. Still, he's only 23, and perhaps he might be better in 2011 with another year of seasoning?

If we dig deeper into the organization, looking for nuggets, help again seems some way off. Bryan Woodall, down at High-A Visalia, has the best ERA, having allowed one earned run in 30.1 innings of work there - a 0.30 ERA. Class-A South Bend has a couple of interesting bullpen arms - and names! - in Christopher Odegaard and Diogenes Rosario, with ERAs of 2.77 and 2.78 respectively. And, a little higher, Reid Mahon seems to have the best numbers in the AA bullpen, with Roque Mercedes also posting a decent line. Will any of them be able to help the major-league roster in 2011? We'll have to wait and see.

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Edwin Jackson?

Good article, Jim. I think you left Edwin Jackson out of the 2011 starting rotation. Haren, Kennedy, Jackson, and Parker should be a decent Top 4.

In the bullpen, I think Roque Mercedes and maybe Leyton Septimo are the only minor league relief pitchers who have a chance to be useful next year.

by Amit on Jun 14, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Jim left Edwin off the rotation, but included his $4.15 mill bump in the budget analysis. To me, the rotation looks like the strength of this lineup.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was confusing.

Since he wasn’t mentioned, I didn’t know if Jim thought he might be traded, or what.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion

I am expecting him to be traded, which is why he was not included on the roster. However, as he has not yet been traded, his money should be included in the current commitments mentioned.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Jun 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

You think Byrnes will sell low on E-Jack?

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh

i don’t think we should sell e-jack…not going to get a good return for him based on this year’s stats…more importantly, he still feel he can go back to being a strong pitcher next year

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

First things first

lets get EJack to be a strong pitcher this year.

If he improves and can bring back a quality piece or pieces in a trade, do it.

But if he continues merely to tease at his potential, I say keep him and slot him between Kennedy and Parker in 2011. Now that’s beginning to look like a rotation with some depth to it.

by Counsellmember on Jun 14, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be selling low

Jackson has had a 2.84 ERA over the last six starts – if we get a few more like that, and he’ll be very tempting to a team looking for a pitcher down the stretch.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like you need to pick a universe here to predict

One either completely with or without EJ. We’re not paying him to go away (likely), so we’ll either have his services or extra money left over. Seems weird to assume we’ll have neither.

by SenSurround on Jun 14, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really depends on who they get

in deals coming back. There probably isn’t a deadline deal available for Drew since St. Louis would seem to be the only suitor and the DBacks would need McClellan +prospects (since they would be lower tier). The Cards have had no prospects since Rasmus.

I still think the DBacks could get a 1st base prospect through the Haren trade.

I also think it’s a little optimistic to have Johnson here.

About all I know is that Goldschmidt will be on the AFL team.

No Gutierrez, Sherlock!

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 14, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

correct me if i'm wrong

but doesn’t KJ have an option for 2011 in his deal? If he continues producing the way he has so far, I see no reason for the FO to not pick that up.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think he has an option...

but he’s arb-eligible, and that could be considered sort of an option, I guess.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 21

by Jdub220 on Jun 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like KJ a lot

but i’d much rather trade him away than drew, mostly because i think drew’s defense is worth it

also, i feel that on the market, KJ will be overvalued because of his HR production and drew will be undervalued, which means that we can probably get more for KJ even though drew is under one more year of club control. if that’s false, and drew does turn out to have more demand on the trade market, then i guess i’d be willing to part with him as long as we don’t sell him low

our starting pitching should be strong next year. haren/jackson/kennedy/parker is a great 1-4 if haren/jackson can regain their form, kennedy isn’t a fluke, and parker rebounds from TJ smoothly…..a lot of if’s, but i think it’s possible. i also have a mancrush on collmenter….he’s killing AA right now, and hopefully will be promoted up to AAA and have a chance to compete for a roster spot next year.

we definitely still need a bullpen though, as our minors don’t seem to have any viable candidates……i think we should work on trading away players like snyder/augie for bullpen pieces with multiple years of control if that’s possible. i think vasquez and rosa will still be useful next year, but since they are basically the only two, that means we’ll pretty much have to construct a bullpen from scratch.

in our lineup all we seem to be missing is 1B and LF (surprise, surprise…) maybe doug deeds in left field? he doesn’t seem to have a lot of power, but i really like his OBP. and while the PCL can deceive about power, it can’t lie about OBP. i guess brandon allen will have to suffice for 1B. he has a great walk rate, but i’m still worried about his BA…hopefully it’ll improve some over the rest of the season

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

KJ will bring more than Drew

because KJ is BETTER than Drew. I’d much rather trade Drew.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

We fell asleep in the middle of the fury.

by soco on Jun 14, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No option

But we do control Johnson in 2011, as he is only arb-eligible again, despite being non-tendered by the Braves.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Jun 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I’d heard he was under team control next year, but couldn’t remember how.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That last bench spot

should belong to a SS. Ryal nor Roberts can play SS, and we need a backup.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 21

by Jdub220 on Jun 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

KEEP AUGIE!!!

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a chance

augie is not justifying his roster spot. You’re right, he doesn’t get many opportunities, but that is almost entirely because he doesn’t produce when given the opportunity.
I’m sure he is a great guy, but great personality does not make a great (productive, worthwhile) ballplayer-starting or bench.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

True

Although I have a filling Roberts will be gone after this season, hence I think Augie could end up staying put. I think Roberts, and maybe even Ryal, will catch on elsewhere since it sounds like Abreu is a sure thing here.

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make that

Feeling…can’t type today

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Chris Young

while he has value and will get a good return. The d’backs need to do this soon before he reverts to his performance of the last two years.
Ciriaco can play in the infield now on amajor league level but his hitting will still take time to catch up. Ryal is a good utility man but is not the answer as a spare outfielder. Get a defensive wiz who can hit lefties and has speed to be that runner off the bench.
Haren would bring a lot of talent but would leave the rotation floundering.

Torra is an innings eater at the back of the rotation and should get a look.

by dbacks watcher on Jun 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm the glass is half full kinda guy

though there are plenty of examples of me being the other way too.

Could it be that Chris is finally living up to his potential instead?

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

chris young...

i agree. if we could get anything decent for chris young now, i’d sell high and trade him. it’d free us up a little financially as well

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything

and I mean EVERYTHING I’ve seen about Young suggests that he is finally hitting his stride and producing the way he should be. If nothing else, his defense is a pretty damn good reason to keep him in center field.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chris Young will not be moving back to his old ways.

I have been studying the changes he has made since the beginning last year. At this time last year, CY had a batting average of .179. Now, its about .274. He has twice as many home runs now than he did through the whole month of June last year, and 44 RBIs this year compared to the 17 he had through June last year. During his time in the minors, Chris obviously studied his tapes to see what he was doing wrong and how to change it. After looking at the video, I can see what he saw. Before, he was standing in the zone and getting no power from his back leg, and thus, not getting power from his hips (especially because of his overextention). He has since lowered his stance in the box by a good 3 or 4 inches, lowering his strike zone a little bit and able to get the meat of the bat on the ball as opposed to getting underneath it and popping it up or missing and striking out. That is why Chris Young has gotten so much better.

If you watch the tapes from early last year, you will see what I mean when he was standing in the box. Compare that to late last year for his late season tear or any at bats this year, and you will see that now he is closer to sitting in the box. He has also resting his arms before the pitch, preventing him from using too much energy for something he doesn’t need to waste if for.

Chris Young will only get better and not get worse.

Our bullpen has allowed 148 runs in 64 games...

by Bryan J. Boltik on Jun 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm glad

someone else saw it too :)

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed!

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

There’s a reason we paid so much to the ChiSox to get Chris Young. This guy’s just now playing the way he was supposed to all along.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

IAWTC

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this, actually

I’m a big fan of CY, but I think we have to trade him while his value is high.

He’s 26. He’s never had an OPS+ above 90. (Even his rookie year was only 88, even though he hit 32 HR.) It’s just unlikely that he gets all that much better. He’s hitting well this year (OPS+ of 111), but even if we suppose that this is his true level of production, I think we do better trading him to someone who perceives more value than he really has. He’s signed through 2013 to a below-market contract. Outside of Upton, he’s our best asset, and could go a long way to repleneshing the prospect cupboard.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be devastated.

 CY is my favorite.

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

CY is also a fave of mine

Both as a player and a person. He truly is a talent and has serious potential of being an All-Star. He’s also a cool cat off the field and the type of guy you want to keep on your team. Great clubhouse presence.

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said,

I’m a big fan. But I think the club has to make tough decisions, and that means trading fan favorites when it makes sense. The goal is pennants and championships. Watching your favorite guys play is secondary to that goal.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

With whom

would we replace him? Parra??

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moot

You don’t trade him if you plan to contend. You trade him for prospects and punt for a couple seasons. Who plays center doesn’t matter all that much in that scenario.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

on a practical level, you DO have to replace him with SOMEONE.

Parra’s below average as a CF, both offensively and defensively.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but it doesn’t really matter. if we aren’t trying to contend, then run Parra out there.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

now you’re kinda talking about straight up tanking?

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really tanking

I don’t think running a replacement-level player out there counts as tanking. To me, tanking is intentionally attempting to lose games.

I have two premises:
1) We are not contending for a playoff spot in ‘11 or ’12.
2) You shouldn’t spend many resources trying to improve your team marginally when you aren’t contending for a playoff spot.

If you reject the first premise, then you shouldn’t trade CY.
If you reject the second premise, but are entertaining the trade CY notion, then you pick up a cheap CF free agent. Probably not as good as CY, but better than Parra.
If you accept both premises, then you trade CY for the best deal you can get, and run anyone out there in CF.

Heck, why not JUp in CF?

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

because then we’d get to replace J-Up.

I don’t necessarily reject the first premise, although I do agree with the second.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

mlb trade rumors

has a poll up about where Dan Haren might end up. From where I’m sitting, I think they’d be crazy to trade him now. I like your idea of the roster, and the possibility of a Haren Kennedy Parker 123 makes me really excited.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah i saw that.

However look at what we could get for him. Imagine getting a few high end prospects.

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if we got Domonic Brown.

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

no way the phillies would give up domonic brown for dan haren….

if we got a prospect on the level of domonic brown though, we’d be crazy not to seriously consider that trade…especially if they’d be willing to throw in a bullpen arm and other project prospects

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 2013 Projected Lineup...

C: Miguel Montero
1B: Bobby Borchering
2B: Chris Owings
SS: Stephen Drew
3B: Mark Reynolds
LF: A.J. Pollock
CF: Chris Young
RF: Justin Upton
No.1 Starter: Danny Haren
No. 2: Jarrod Parker
No. 3: Edwin Jackson
No. 4: Ian Kennedy
No. 5: Either Dontrelle Willis or Bryan Augenstein

Just a thought…

Our bullpen has allowed 148 runs in 64 games...

by Bryan J. Boltik on Jun 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It would probably be Goldschmidt out of those 2

but I think they’ll get something back via trade.

No Gutierrez, Sherlock!

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think

it’ll be Goldschmidt playing for us, rather than Borchering?

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you had to pull one up in an emergency capacity

it would be Goldschmidt because Borchering is slightly farther out and he’s more valuable to the long term plan.

I still think they’ll pull someone via trade. But as a plan B they’d rather wreck Goldschmidt than Borchering.

No Gutierrez, Sherlock!

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 15, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

I suppose service clock should count for something, too.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 15, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

A or A+ is a long way to jump a guy in a year.

No Gutierrez, Sherlock!

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 15, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

is Drew still with the team in 3 years.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

is edwin jackson pitching for us in three years also haha

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I guess he meant 2011?

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially

Not when Drew’s agent is Scott Boras

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid comment jumps...

My Drew/Boras comment was in reply to DBacks Skins No way comment in regards to Drew

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Or in this case was attempting to reply to Phil

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 14, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's official.

We’re going to win 70 games next year.

by Azreous on Jun 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a Suns fan

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's saying

the suns will win 70 next yr?

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

It’s gonna be so awesome.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because

that roster is not an improvement. Now, I’m not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing, particularly if we’re being cost efficient and rebuilding.

Also, I’m a Suns fan.

by Azreous on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Even if the DBacks do somehow win, he’s assuming that we’ll lose to the Spurs or the Lakers in the playoffs anyway.

"If it is one minute late, I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love with that kitty cat. And then on some dark cold night I will steal away into your home and punch you in the face."

by kishi on Jun 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is...

inevitable.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

fangraphs claims

that if we traded snyder and non-tendered cojack, we’ll still have around 15 mil to spend next year…..i’m not convinced we need to blow up the team

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The rangers apparently want cojack

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

any idea

on who they’d be willing to give up?

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not too familiar with the Rangers. Dallas might know

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's terrible that we chose to keep CoJack

when we could’ve traded him for Teixiera in ‘08.
We would’ve made the playoffs…

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 21

by Jdub220 on Jun 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um...?

We would have had to further gut the farm system to get Tex.

You sure you’re not confusing it with the proposed CoJack-for-KJ trade?

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tear it Down

Jim, great piece.

When I look at that roster, I don’t see a playoff contender. I see a team that might be .500 or a bit better. And that’s a terrible place to be from a business perspective. I’d rather cut costs, trade our assets for prospects, and finish with 70 wins for a couple years while the prospects develop, than ride it out with a mediocre roster and be left with nothing at the end of the ride.

JUp is signed through 2015. He is the kind of player you build a franchise around, but he is still developing. I think you have to target 2013-2015 as our window. Every player we have should be evaluated by whether or not they will be a key part of the club in that window. If not, trade them now while they have the most value.

That means trade CY (signed through 2013).
Trade Reynolds and Haren (signed through 2012).
Trade all of the small bits and pieces.
Trade the mediocre near-term prospects for longer-term guys.
Keep the prospects with long-term ceilings high enough to contribute to a playoff club in the ‘13-’15 window.

If we lose 200 games in ‘11 and ’12, I’m okay with that. I want to take advantage of being the club fortunate enough to have the first pick when JUp hit the draft.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't understand why

we are necessarily not a contender

if you look at this year, our bullpen has combined for 12 BS and 13 L. some of those overlap, and some of those BS ended up being wins, but i think if our bullpen were average this year or even a little above average, we’d have 7-8 more wins. that would make our record 33-31 if we had 7 wins. and since a couple of wins would each have been against the dodgers/padres, that would make their records each around 35-28 or 34-29. How is a couple games back from the division leader not contending?

next year, our starting rotation should be stronger than it is this year. our offense won’t have any drop off, even if we trade away pieces. and we can work to build a stronger bullpen. we can easily contend next year.

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

blame this year on the bullpen if you like

your analysis is fine for that.
but this is about next year. the roster next year does not equal the roster this year. and if you want to posit an average bullpen performance for next year, you’ve got to show me where that is going to come from.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you agree

the bullpen made us not capable of contending this year, then i don’t see how we won’t contend next year

our starting rotation should be stronger, unless you believe that jackson/haren this year will repeat next year. kennedy will regress due to BABIP, but he’s still probably going to have an ERA between 3.5 and 4. parker will be up. and our fifth pitcher should be replacement level.

our hitting won’t decrease much. all we’ve lost is laroche, and whichever of drew/kj we trade to plug in abreu. if brandon allen doesn’t work out for laroche, we can figure something out via free agency maybe. not saying there won’t be some small dropoff in our offense, but with upton improving another year, miggy not being injured, we should be fine.

bullpen wise we definitely have a problem. but that’s what we should be trading to solve. we have snyder, laroche, rodrigo, webb, one of kj/drew to try to figure out our bullpen. it’s definitely possible. and we still have 15 mil in free agency to spend, not that i necessarily recommend spending it on bullpen pieces.

that’s why my point is the future isn’t as dark as it seems

by blue bulldog on Jun 14, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

point by point

I agree that the rotation is at least as good, and probably better, next year.

You say “all we’ve lost is…” and then you point out a 111 OPS+ at 1B, and either a 104 SS or a 136 2B. You then suggest we can make up for this via some combination of:
1) Brandon Allen
2) Free Agency
3) Upton improving
4) Miggy being healthy

I’ll grant #3 and I hope for #4, but it’s far from a lock.

As for #1, I just don’t think Brandon Allen is going to hit in the big leagues. It’s off topic for now, so just color me pessimistic.

Finally, the free agency route. I guess I just don’t see it. We have $15 mill or so to spend. One good corner bat costs that much, and we still have to pay guys to live in the bullpen.

Add it all up and, to me, the ledger comes out negative. A lot of things have to break well for us for the ledger to come out positive enough to turn this into a playoff club. If I’m calling the shots, I don’t take that risk. I bank the value we have by converting to big haul of prospects, and I take a couple years to watch them grow.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay!

The Drew hate continues!

Bring back the Baltimore Chop!

by dima1109 on Jun 14, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

where?

I saw Jim make an argument that Drew is more valuable than KJ, and therefore a better trade possibility.

DBacks fan in Dixieland

by skoormit on Jun 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If

anything that’s the opposite of hate.

We fell asleep in the middle of the fury.

by soco on Jun 14, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offensively

that line-up is pretty decent. The LF is obviously a question mark, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some bargain priced, slightly older offensive outfielder floating around during the offseason, since there always is. With a $20 million infusion into the bullpen, the D’backs will look in much better shape.

We fell asleep in the middle of the fury.

by soco on Jun 14, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

was driving through the mountains last night

and kept seeing deer off the side of the road freezing in the headlights. it was gnawing at me what it reminded me of, then it hit me – Hinch sitting in the dugout. Spittin’ image, no b.s. We could free up some money by getting one and letting it roam the dugout in his place. Another mascot. Heck, that plus a Baxter vs. Deer throwdown steel cage match after the game on a Friday night might bump attendance. Last place musings, good times.

"Firing A.J. Hinch since 6/7/09"

by jonny-yuma on Jun 15, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Lulz

I am Angry and when BattleMoses is angry Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,and when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset people DIE!!!!!!!!!

by BattleMoses on Jun 15, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since he's a FA,

and has acquitted himself well, I’d expect him to leave.

Although, it WOULD be nice to re-sign him…

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Montero back

now would be a good time to explore interest in Snyder and/or Cojack by the Rangers as rumored. Gillespie and Parra could platoon in left and Hester or Corporan could be the second string behind Montero.
Also a good time to trade either Roberts or Augie to make room for Abreau and get a good read on his ability for next year. That lets the club make an informed decision on trading either Drew or Johnson.
The object of these proposed trades should be power arms to rebuild the pitching staff!

by dbacks watcher on Jun 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather

trade Droo or KJ and keep Roberts or Augie for the rest of this year.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Me too, Phil!

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add

Chris Young to that list and trade himm while his value is high and before he reverts to his last 2 years performance.

by dbacks watcher on Jun 15, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

He won't revert.

He’s completely changed his stance, and every metric is getting closer to matching up to the scouting reports.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

It’s not that 2007/2008/2009 CY is the REAL CY and he’s gonna regress. The 2010 CY is the REAL CY. This is why we kept him and extended him. We were waiting for him to PROGRESS.

To paraphrase Decatur and Schurz, "My team, right or wrong!"

by DbacksSkins on Jun 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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