what else needs to be said at this point that dbacks4life didn't already say, just fire the guy. I know it's on the players to play better, etc., but we've given him more than enough time to establish his cred as a manager and he hasn't done it (not sure if anyone could being put in the same position as he was with the qualifications he had, but, all the same, the experiment needs to end.) If that's something he's going to learn over time, then heck, extend his deal out 15 years and maybe he'll figure it out someday -- we'll be patient, right? As was previously said, it all starts at the top. Managerial credibility is not our only problem presently, but it's a big one, and it's a place to start.

And, no, I really don't "hate" A.J. Hinch, I pre-wish him the best in his next job. Heck, move him back to the front office, I'd be fine with it. We're wasting valuable time here, time to get a real manager. Gibby? Butler? Your offices are calling.

Have at it.