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Decision for D-backs: Who's #5?

Saturday's game in San Diego sees the Diamondbacks needing a fifth starter for the first time in 2010. That change will also mean someone - most likely one of the eight relievers currently on the team - will need to be removed from the 25-man roster.

After the jump, we'll take a look at the possible options in both areas, and assess their strengths and weaknesses.

Star-divide

However, let's start with some realistic hopes for what you will see from a #5 starter. I looked at expected numbers after the 2009 season, and a pitcher at the back of the rotation will generally have an ERA of 5.15 or worse. To put that into the context of a single game, three earned runs over five innings is an ERA of 5.40, and so is around the kind of performance you should anticipate from a #5. Any better than that, such as a quality start, and it's a clear win in terms of pitching.

Moving on to the specific candidates, due to the small sample size available for the regular season to date, the numbers given for each pitcher include both the regular season and spring training appearances. This is a bit of a double-edged sword, but probably gives a better overall picture of how they have performed to date. Here are the three most likely to rise and fall in the coming days - or possibly sooner, with an announcement expected to be made by the Diamondbacks later today.

Coming up from the Aces

  1. Kris Benson
    9.2 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 7 SO, 2.79 ERA

    Benson appears first choice for the spot, not least because he started on Monday, meaning he'd be on his natural rest for Saturday's outing. He allowed a pair of unearned runs, and AJ Hinch said, "It sounds like he executed a pretty decent game plan. There was an error that cost him a couple of runs, but he pitched well." However, Benson is almost completely untried at any level of late: he has only two major-league starts since 2006, allowing eleven earned runs in eleven IP. There are also roster implications. Benson isn't on the 40-man roster, so space would need to be cleared for him there. Additionally, it would be harder to send Kris to the minors, though with Brandon Webb out for the foreseeable future, this is less an issue, at least in the short- to medium-term.

  2. Kevin Mulvey
    18.2 IP, 21 H, 19 R, 9 ER, 9 BB, 10 SO, 4.34 ERA
    As noted by IHSB, Mulvey did start for the Aces on Tuesday, but only worked three innings and 40 pitches, allowing one earned run on two hits and a walk, so would be a viable option for Saturday. He seemed to struggle a bit with his control in spring, walking more batters than he struck out, but in his two starts for Reno, had a K:BB ratio of 5:2. Still a rookie - he won't turn 25 until next month - but with Jon Rauch now the Twins' closer [and with a 1.74 ERA since being dealt there], the trade seems to be favoring Minnesota thus far. IHSB reckons Mulvey will get the call as #5, but I'm writing this piece and so he's my second choice.

  3. Billy Buckner
    23.2 IP, 35 H, 28 R, 28 ER, 9 BB, 21 SO, 10.65 ERA
    Buckner's star has fallen fast, since a series of very effective starts in September made him the off-season front-runner for the #5 spot. He had a poor Cactus League, and that carried over into his first start for Reno, on April 11th, when he allowed seven earned runs in five innings. Those came on ten hits, a walk and three wild pitches. Buckner, however, didn't think he threw badly. "They hit some really good pitches and everything else found a hole. I can take away the fact that I threw well today, as stupid as it sounds or as off as it sounds. I'll take my chances 32 starts out of the year throwing the way I threw today." However, I really doubt the Diamondbacks will.

Going down from the D-backs

  1. Esmerling Vasquez
    13.2 IP, 12 H, 9 R, 9 ER, 9 BB, 14 SO, 5.93 ERA
    The main reason Vasquez is likely at the head of the table is because he still has a minor-league option, and so can be sent to the minors without having to pass through waivers. He was, notably, the only pitcher not used in the five-hour marathon on Wednesday, likely because he threw 27 pitches the day before. The three-run homer served up there to Andre Ethier certainly dented Vasquez's hopes of enjoying a major-league buffet.

  2. Leo Rosales
    15.1 IP, 22 H, 10 R. 10 ER. 3 BB. 13 SO, 5.87 ERA
    Sterling work last night by Rosales, getting the win with two shutout innings in relief, and looked very solid in so doing. That brought back memories of his role in the 18-inning win in Florida, and  boosts his chances of staying with the major-league team this weekend. Most of the pre-season projection systems loved him, and I like his K:BB ratio, which now sits at better than 4:1. Overall, he now has a 4.50 ERA in 80 innings, which is an above-average ERA+, so I strongly suspect he wouldn't get through waivers. Keep him.

  3. Jordan Norberto
    12 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 11 BB, 10 SO, 0.75 ERA
    As in spring training, so in the majors. While Cactus League numbers may have little or no predictive value, the Norberto we've seen so far has basically been the same one seen before Opening Day. While he has a heck of a lot of raw "stuff," there's definitely an issue with regard to Jordan controlling it. My eyebrows were raised at Hinch bringing him in to a tied game in Dodger Stadium, given Norberto had two innings of work above AA, but the inherited runner on second didn't score. If I am still not convinced he is the best left-handed option we have, I suspect he'll get more rope by which to climb up or hang himself.
Poll
Who's the #5 starter?
Kris Benson
38 votes
Billy Buckner
7 votes
Kevin Mulvey
19 votes
D. None of the above.
12 votes

76 votes | Poll has closed

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this is the type of situation

that has dogged heilman for his entire career. a golden opportunity to become a starter resents itself; but aaron is doing so well in the ‘pen, mgt will not give him a chance. then, when aaron is having a bad time in the bp role he despises and fans like me say “well, he should be starting” we get the robotic response "well ih heilman sux in the pen, obviously he can’t start". what a catch-22…

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Good lord,

Are you Heilman’s agent?

Career numbers as a starter. Look at them again if you’ve forgotten.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was

an idea we floated when we traded for him, though…

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

you missed

my entire point. don’t surprise me.

you either don’t know or don’t care about what really happened to heilman during his very starting career as a ny met. look beyond the numbers. don’t be such a a sabre robot….

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what happened?

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll do a fanpost about it someday

in a nutshell the mets’ pitching staff changed his arm angle from his ND days. by this was “fixed” aaron’s starting spot was given to victor zambrano. zambrano stayed in the role because the mets were trying tio justify the kazmir trade disaster. by the time zambrano totally imploded, aaron had been pigeon-holed as a mid-reliever…

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw

Aaron allowed a hit last night. DFA!

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested to hear the details

Fanpost away. :-)

Heilman has been solid since the start of the season, but I think expecting him to go from working one inning directly to starting is unrealistic. He needs to work up to it: 40, 60, 80 pitches, etc. I suspect that would only prove possible if he were to accept being sent to Reno. And we won’t want to do that because it would undeniably weaken the bullpen.

"We defy augury" -- Hamlet

by Jim McLennan on Apr 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the story of aaron's career

too valuable in the pen to let him try starting again, BUUUUUTTT when he struggles in the pen: DFA HIM!

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

I see what you’re saying.

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Competitive

There’s no question that the glory is in starting. The starter is the name in the newspaper, and mentioned in the ads. But from a competition standpoint, there is something very special about coming into a game at a critical point, and defeating the opposing team and hitter when its their chance for glory. It takes a really special player to be able to come in and do that. I think Heilman has that ability. I guess the question is whether Heilman recognizes the special nature of the challenge.

by NASCARbernet on Apr 15, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

heilman has met the challenge more than he hasn't

in the bp role, i think, but starters make way more $ and this is heilman’s contract year…

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you ARE his agent! :-P

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you've been ignoring my point forever, so I guess we're identical culprits.

So how do you counter the fact that his arm angle was fine last year, and yet his xFIP was 4.2 and his ERA was 4.11 as a reliever. Now you want to put him in a rotation for the first time in forever in his 30’s and you expect success? As noted below, and as I was thinking of arguing before it seemed pretty obvious it was an unnecessary argument, is that we’d have to stretch Heilman out, which wasn’t smart in ST based on last year’s numbers, and not possible now.

Guys in college often have terrible arm angles. Saying that he strayed from how he pitched in college is kind of pointless because college pitchers never go straight to the bigs, even if you’re Stephen Strasburg and sit in the high-90’s with a plus curve(slider?). And the bullpen numbers since haven’t screamed for a second chance. He was in competition with Sean Marshall for the fifth spot last year with the Cubs and lost. Heilman’s been great for us, but have some objectivity.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

lou wanted the lefty marshall from the get-go

there was no real competition. a 4.11 ERA is not horrible and i know heilman has done and can still do a lot better.

and heilman’s arm angle didn’t “stray”. the genius mets deliberately changed it and almost cost aaron any type of career at all.

on a team loaded w/starters like the cubs, you are right, heilman gets no shot. but the snakes are looking for help in the 5 hole and to look past heilman is a big mistake, imo…

by brian custer on Apr 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

AJ would have to be willing to turn him into an impromptu long reliever first. Start pitching him 2 innings at a time, then 3, THEN maybe give him a chance at a spot start. I think that’s a better transition for the team than losing him to Reno for a little while.

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did I know

You were going to dismiss the idea of the competition? The D’backs wanted Billy Buckner to be their fourth starter out of ST. How’d that work out?

I never suggested it “strayed.” I suggested he had reverted back to his old arm angle post-Mets (because, if not, there’s definitely no reason to start him, right?). i.e. last year with the Cubs. And 4.11 in the ’pen does not translate to huge success as a starter.

And at this point we have one year of control on him, so stretching him out mid-season now that he appears to be on his game would be foolhardy.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No great choice here

Based on their performance over the last couple of weeks, I would probably rank them the way you did: 1) Benson 2) Mulvey 3) Buckner. But if you asked who is most likely to contribute over the season, I’d probably reverse the order and put Buckner first.

The D’backs may catch lightning in a bottle with Benson and RLopez, but I’d rather give the chances to Buckner and Mulvey. I still think they both could be acceptable back-of-the-rotation starters.

by Amit on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's Esmerling going down

But don’t be at all surprised if it’s Mulvey coming up. Benson has made one start, and had limited action in ST as well. I wouldn’t count on him at this point.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

FanGraphs

seems to think it’s Benson, for some reason: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/arizona-chooses-benson-over-buckner

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

That they don’t mention Mulvey.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still Undecided

I think the D’backs are still trying to make a decision, but pulled Mulvey to keep their options open. The decision may end up being based on the results of the next two games, or Webb’s progress, since adding Benson means someone would have to come off the 40-Man roster.

by Amit on Apr 15, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Piecoro just tweeted

It’s Benson.
http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/12240853550

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Apr 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Pfft

Yeah, I already put that in Snake Bytes. Welcome to, like, four minutes ago, Jenny. =)

"Do we hug?" "I think we're too manly."

by kishi on Apr 15, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw THAT

but you hadn’t put it HERE yet.

AND you didn’t link to his tweet. :P

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Apr 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boof Bonser!

Key to the game: Score More

by pygalgia on Apr 15, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

BOOF BOOF BOOF BOOF BOOF!!!!!

I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".

by DbacksSkins on Apr 15, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boooooooooof!

"Do we hug?" "I think we're too manly."

by kishi on Apr 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

the BoSox just called him back from rehab assignment. But it might be worth a call by J. Byrnes.

Key to the game: Score More

by pygalgia on Apr 15, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!!!!

http://xkcd.com/290/ (caution: profane)

by Dan Strittmatter on Apr 15, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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