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Winter Meetings Roundup

The D-backs were one of the busiest teams in theis years Winter Meetings. I thought that all of their moves made the team better in some way. Basically anything is an upgrade over last year. After the jump, I'll analyze the different moves and grade them individually.


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The Mark Reynolds trade- I have heard many mixed reviews about this. In my opinion, this grade was a win-win trade. The Orioles recieved a needed power bat in their lineup and the D-backs got two bullpen guys who can's really hurt them anymore and all they can go is up from last season. With all the reviews about missing Reynolds' power and leadership- if these had been assets to the team, we would have been a winning team instead of a team sown in the dumps. Overall I like this trade and think that Kevin Towers did a good job not only trading Reynolds, but getting something that could help us too. Overall grade- A

The Melvin Mora signing- Let me read the 3B free agent class that was available to us- Hank Blalock, Bobby Crosby, Edwin Encarnacion, Pedro Feliz, Josh Fields, Kevin Frandson, Andy LaRoche, Hector Luna, Melvin Mora, Donnie Murphy, Nick Punto, Bobby Scales, Chad Tracy. The only one that had a good year last year was none other than Melvin Mora. We made the right chpice in this you guys, we really did. Who was going to play instead? Rust Ryal? Nope, Japan. Ryan Roberts? Uh, no. Tony Abreu? He's probably more suited for a backup role right now. I likt this signing to help give us a veteran presence. Our team was really young last year, and he is exactly the kind of guy we needed. He may not put up huge numbers, but I'm expecting possibly a .260 6-8 homers and 60-70 rbis. Overall grade- A-

The J.J. Putz signing- This was probably the best signing that they made during the Winter Meetings. Not only is Putz a reliable and proven closer, but we can only go up and this is a skyrocket. And we still have money to spend on another bullpen arm such as Mahay or Beimel or Balfour, etc. Frankly, I am very excited. We have a good closer for the first time since 2007. Do you guys realize what we got for Papa Grande? Chad Qualls, Juan Gutierrez, and Chris Burke. Two of them are long gone and one of them has strugged with tipping pitches. I would probably predict something along the lines of 5-1 2.44 ERA 31 saves. Overall grade- A+

The Mike Hampton signing- I'm not thrilled. I'm not angry. I like it, but I don't love it. He is a reliable left handed reliver who will probably be the left handed specialist/long reliever. He might spot start a couple of times also. He is definately a veteran and is going to be a good mentor for the younger starters. Overall grade- B

Poll
What move will help the D-backs the most?
David Hernandez/Kam Mickolio
2 votes
Melvin Mora
1 votes
J.J. Putz
24 votes
Mike Hampton
0 votes

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Guess you liked it. :-)

The winter meetings will be the subject of this week’s round table [out on Tuesday morning] so I don’t want to steal our own thunder on this. But if I’d to grade the moves (with a C being no change), it would be

  • Reynolds: B-
  • Mora: D+
  • Putz: A-
  • Hampton: C

I’m a harsher marker than you, I think…

"I don't wanna sit around watching you 'give it your best.' Either stop sucking or get out of the way."

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

Here are mine:

Reynolds: C-
Mora: C+
Putz: B+
Hampton: C

A bit more crowded towards the mean, and flip-flopping impressions of the Mora and Reynolds moves.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i basically have the exact same grades as you

except in my mind, (since i went to a school with heavy grade inflation) “B” is a meh grade

so i had

Reynolds: B-/C+ (depending on how true the rumors were that we could have gotten chris tillman)
Mora: B+
Putz: A-
Hampton: B

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Still with the Chris Tillman fascination?

I understand in a pure “should-be” sense of value between starters and relievers, but he’d probably have started the year in the ‘pen with us anyways. There’s also the possibility that the organization truly feels there’s something wrong with his mechanics that affected his ability to perform last year and didn’t want to touch him with a ten-foot pole.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently,

the drop of velocity last year was just dead arm. That’s what an O’s fan on MLBTR told me, anyways.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 41

by Jdub220 on Dec 11, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

MLBTR

Great site, generally-awful commenters.

I don’t know what I’d do without it, though. :-P

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I know,

but would they really have any reason to lie about it?

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 41

by Jdub220 on Dec 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

very different impression

The very fact that the 3B FA class was so awful points to the fact that either: a) we should have gotten more for Mark; or b) we shouldn’t have traded him.
Mora and Blum, in my mind, are exactly the kinds of players you DON’T want on your ball club unless you’re trying to just save guys arb time or filling some key roles on a playoff bound team. Neither fits us.

Reynolds: D+
Mora: D
Putz: A
Hampton: B

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

just for kicks

Earlier moves:

Duke trade: B
Miranda trade: D+
Blum signing: F
Heilman arb risk: A
LaRoche arb risk: B-
Carrasco departure: D
Boyer departure: C
Church departure: A
Ojeda departure: B

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with these with three exceptions

Duke trade gets an A-, Blum signing gets a D+ (he’s at least versatile), and Church departure gets a C+. Boyer departure might get a C-, but that’s nit-picking.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Mickolio?

He’s far from a certainty. We could have gotten another piece in return for Mark that would have filled a more prevalent hole than replacing someone we already had with someone who may or may not be better, though the increased control is nice.

As it stands now, whichever of Sweeney/Hampton makes the club, perhaps.

I’d dig a ’pen of Putz/Hernandez/Demel/Gutierrez/Mickolio/Paterson/Boyer.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

mickolio and hampton

in my mind are much better options than boyer

mickolio is already probably better than boyer. hampton gives us more flexibility as a second lefty.

and, they are both about $1 million cheaper than boyer. i mean, in the last four years, boyer has been 0.1, 0.2, 0.4, and 0.1 WAR respectively. his peripherals (except for groundball rate) have been trending in the wrong direction the past three years. so i dunno. i think boyer being non-tendered is a solid decision.

also, i sort of believe in not double-counting grades. so for instance, it would be obviously not correct to keep both carrasco and boyer right? in that case, who do you prefer? for me, that’s carrasco, so i guess in my mind, i would assign carrasco’s non-tender a C grade and give boyer’s non-tender a B grade. the same logic would apply to Mark’s trade grade. but i mean, this last part is just nit-picking.

by blue bulldog on Dec 12, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You could argue the same thing for Putz

That you argued for Mora and Blum…

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Mora: F The guy only played in 47 Games and at the age of 38 ii is just plain dumb to thing he is an everyday answer.

Reynolds: C – I am a Reynolds guy so I admit to being unfairly critical of this trade

Putz: B A lot better than what we had last year

by Augie's Army on Dec 12, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

You’re obviously a much bigger fan of Melvin Mora than anyone else I’ve seen.

"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."

by kishi on Dec 10, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

I don't understand all of the hate for him

He may be a average hitter but its good to have a few veterans who you know what your getting.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right. You know you’re getting between .25 and .75 WAR. wooo hooo.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Because

We traded away a powerful bat with improving defense to bring aboard a guy who offers better contact, a drastic drop in power, and turns 39 before the start of the season.

"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."

by kishi on Dec 11, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

they are two separate transactions?

mora’s just a stop gap. he’s likely to make his pay. that’s all you can ask for in a FA signing in a year we’re about to tank.

by blue bulldog on Dec 11, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

If you look at them separetely, okay

But they obviously are related. There’s no need for Mora if they don’t trade Reynolds, and since his signing was announced so quickly after the trade, it seems pretty likely that they made the trade with the idea that Mora was coming aboard.

"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."

by kishi on Dec 11, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

My turn

Reynolds: C-

the D-backs got two bullpen guys who can’s really hurt them anymore

That’s the return you wanted for a 30-40 HR hitter? Two bullpen guys that won’t hurt us? Completely agree with njjohn that if the FA market was so thin at the position, either hold him or get more. Feel exactly the same way with the Haren trade and to a lesser extent the Snyder trade.

Mora: C- OK, I guess if Reynolds is gone, but I would rather have seen Abreu.

Putz: B+ Risk, yes. Upside, yes. Tradeable, yes. Great job.

Hampton: C+ Looking forward to having multiple lefties in the pen.

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Weren't we begrudging the KJ sign a little bit last off-season

Because we wanted to get Abreu some PT? I think there’s a reason that Abreu keeps getting passed over as the team tries to fill its everyday slots. Namely, that he can’t get on base. You never know what you have until you see what it can do, but I think the organization doesn’t really feel that there’s much upside to Abreu. They probably know best, having seen him practice and play with them for a year now.

Mora is probably more “trade-able” than Putz is this year. We’d probably have to wait until mid-season 2012 to move Putz if we wanted to. If he’s still healthy…

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree and Huh?

Yes on Abreu. It seems both Tower’s and Byrnes’ FO were not convinced on him, which begs the question why he was the sole piece in an in-division trade for a decent SP?

However, I think comparing KJ and Mora is pretty difficult. KJ had much more upside when we signed him and came with an option year attached. Mora might put up similar numbers but comes with so much more risk because of his age. I can’t see anyone even sniffing at him at the trade deadline unless he’s putitng up a career year.

Putz? You don’t think we could trade him mid-season if he is healthy? Which team isn’t looking for relievers for the stretch run? Im not saying I want to trade him at all, just that it would likely be an option, and I love to keep options as wide open as possible.

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

there is only so much risk

to a contract that hands out 2 million for one year…

by blue bulldog on Dec 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

True

but also only so much upside.

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A utility guy with control

Is a decent enough return on six starts of Jon Garland that were meaningless to us. I guess nobody else was offering anything better. Best to get what you can while you can.

Mora has age against him, but KJ was an absolute mess in ‘09… he was worth just over half of a win above replacement for the Braves that year. Mora has risk, but it’s no more than KJ had, IMO. Mora should be a solid contributor who puts up respectable offensive numbers and can handle third base adequately defensively.

I don’t think we could deal Putz this year. There’s another year of obligation, and it’s rare for teams to go for more than just rental pieces for the stretch run. Particularly since there should be a decent market of relief pitching available at mid-season, as usual.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

We’ll see, but I would think that, if healthy, Putz would be very attractive to other clubs at the deadline.

As for the extra year of obligation, which would you rather pick up; a 1.5 year contract with an option year or risking the inflated FA market where the only choice might be Kevin Gregg at 3/20?

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The absurd relief market is a fair point

But there’s also risk in Putz’s arm.

If Kevin Gregg ever gets 3/20, the only feasible reasoning I can imagine involves some sort of nation-devastation tragedy. At least, I would hope that that’s the only way Gregg would get 3/20. But that is a valid point. Quality relievers are becoming hard to find.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

quality relievers

are becoming over-priced

not necessarily harder to find

by blue bulldog on Dec 12, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

people seem to really like abreu on this site....

do you guys realize just how TRULY bad abreu is?

basically, we can call it an amazing year, if abreu’s walk rate reaches 4%. his best walk rate ever was 6.5% in the minors in 2006 at AA.

i also don’t think anyone would feel comfortable projecting abreu to have an ISO over 120. and since he has neither extraordinary speed or power, his BABIP should be around 300. this means that, at best, abreu sports a line that looks something like 280/310/400. that would be horrendous as a 3B.

by blue bulldog on Dec 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Truthfully

That wouldn’t be the worst line in the world. I don’t think he could even get that. If he did, with plus defense at third (which I could comfortably expect) and a slight positive positional adjustment for 3B (which surprisingly few people recognize…), that’s a valuable player who could provide 2 WAR or so. I just don’t think Abreu can provide that offensive line… or close to it. .265/.300/.380 is my peak for him, and that’s truly terrible.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Then use him or lose him

I’ve got no problem with the idea that Abreu is not good. However, if that’s the case than:
a) why did we trade for him in the first place
b) let him go

A no speed no power guy on the bench doesn’t do a ton of good for the team. I would rather have Giambi sitting on the bench for situation hitting. Or even better put another arm in the pen for match-up purposes.

I think the team saw a risk worth taking in Abreu. He had health problems in the minors, but put up promising numbers for a guy who seemed to always be in the dog house. The only time in his career he had a full, healthy season was 2006 in AA where he hit .287/.343/.392. That’s not horrible for his first year in the minors and at that level.

If the team thinks he can;t cut it, get rid of him. If they think he has potential, let him play, in this, our rebuilding year. Just stop with the half measures. What does he bring the team in his current role?

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

A) Why did we trade for him in the first place – Best value available for six starts of Garland, since he was leaving anyways.
B) Let him go – Why? He costs nothing, and provides good defense at second, short, and third. Not worthy of a regular gig, but it has value.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

B)

He costs a roster spot. If his only value is as a glove-only defensive replacement, do you or bbulldog think that Abreu is the best candidate for that spot? Isn’t that exactly what Blum is, only better?

I do think he has value. The guy had hip surgery in 2007 after putting up .271/.309/.404 with the Dogers in his rookie year (178PA). At age 22. Then he got 200 bats with us. That isn’t too big a look, IMO.

His minors numbers are rather good. Consistantly high averages (yes, supported by consistantly high babip) and some speed. Coming off a hip surgery you’ve got to give him some time. He may not be a huge base-stealer, but re-injury he looks to be fast enough to increase his high contact driven babip numbers.

I just think that he should finally see a regular gig to check out his true skillset. And if the team feels the need to replace him each year with Blum type guys, trade him to soemone that would like the chance to find out.

Free Tony Abreu

by Counsellmember on Dec 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

A 40-man spot?

I don’t imagine that there’s anybody around in the free agent pool who merits a 40-man spot more than Abreu does, since he can provide insurance at Triple-A or a backup role in the majors for injuries.

Also, wasn’t it a hernia? I mean, I guess that’s sort of hip surgery, but… yeah, not exactly. If I recall correctly, of course. If I’m right, that’s less concerning that hip surgery in the short/long runs and shouldn’t have hampered him all that much. But if it was hip surgery, I wouldn’t be confident on seeing him return fully to previous form anyways, so this is fine too.

Blum is a glove with veteran leadership and supposed pinch-hitting abilities. Sure, those two attributes may not have much value to some, but Towers likes them and Towers has had success before. I’m willing to buy into some of his ideas based on track record, because what’s the point of being a fan if you’re going to be pessimistic all the time, right?

Anywho, Abreu’s line as a pinch-hitter in 51 career PA’s is .286/.294/.367, miserable on its own before you note that his BABIP in those PA’s is .382. Now, SSS is unquestionable, but it certainly doesn’t inspire confidence that Abreu needed incredibly favorable luck to only be a little bit below a .300 OBP pinch-hitter.

Of course, It’d be irresponsible for me to not mention that Blum’s line isn’t spectacular in its own right, a career .250/.338/.318 (.318 SLG? .068 ISO? – not that Abreu’s is much better, really) in 274 PA’s, but I’ll certainly take the dramatic improvement in OBP, particularly with a stable .304 BABIP. If my bench bats can sustainably reach base 1/3 of the time they’re called to the plate, I’ll be more than satisfied.

Consistently high averages, but consistently low OBP’s. That’s incredibly concerning, particularly since a guy of his size isn’t likely to hit for a ton of power in the major leagues. He has the same problem that guys like Francoeur have – they swing themselves out of favorable counts on mediocre pitches.

Dom Mazzetti vs. Four Loko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF6R4FXTI (Warning: Language NSFW)
"ENERGY BEEYUH!" "I can't wait to eat Chipotle latuh." "They removed us from the club." "I fed my fat friend a lot of cake." "I just lightly punched it until it died."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

the biggest scare point for me when i see minor league stats is when i see a prospect who has really good OPS, but it stems from an incredibly high average, meh power (nothing special power), and very low OBP

what this tells me is this is a guy who is able to feast on bad minor league pitches. but he’s not patient, which means major league pitchers with drastically better stuff will kill him, and he doesn’t have a lot of power, which means major league pitchers aren’t going to be afraid to attack him, so they aren’t going to pitch around him very often.

abreu’s wrist injury last year makes the situation even worse, because those types of injuries can sap your power even more.

defense-wise, there’s just not enough evidence. preliminarily speaking, it looks like his defense at 3B and 2B is a lot better than his defense at SS.

by blue bulldog on Dec 12, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you both

Abreu’s spot I was referring to was the 25-man roster position.

I’ll try to boil it down. I think Abreu has “potential”, but h hasn’t had consistent ABs since coming back from hip surgery (maybe that was a hernia, but I read “hip surgery” on Fangraphs), and the recent signings ensure that he won’t this year either. If the team is trying to compete this year, send him to the minors or trade him; his place on the 25-man roster is fairly useless. If the team is rebuilding for a year, put him in at 3rd and see what he can do with regular playing time, saving money on these other stopgaps in the process.

But in the end, I agree with both of you that his peripheral numbers, particularly his OBP, is “increadibly concerning”.

by Counsellmember on Dec 12, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Abreu

He’s terrible defensively for one thing…obviously the Dodgers didn’t find him that impressive either or he’d probably still be with them…

Just my two cents

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Dec 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Terrible Defense?

Thats not what I heard.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.
With all the reviews about missing Reynolds’ power and leadership- if these had been assets to the team, we would have been a winning team instead of a team sown in the dumps.

You’re right. If only we’d had Evan Longoria at third instead of Mark Reynolds, then we would’ve won 20 more games.

by Azreous on Dec 13, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Well

I’m pretty sure Evan Longoria has never blown a save, and he’s been in the league for how many years now?

"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."

by kishi on Dec 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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