The 2011 Hall of Fame Ballot: Rating the Ex-Diamondbacks' Chances
Results from the 2011 Hall of Fame voting will be announced on January 5th, and there are no less than four former Diamondbacks on this years ballot. Ok, odds of any of them wearing our hat, even if they did get in, are basically zero, but after the jump, we'll take a look at their time spent in the desert, and analyze their changes of making it to Cooperstown. We'll also have a Hall of Fame ballot for you to fill in, listing all thirty-three of this year's nominees, so you can pick those worthy of enshrinement.
However, before clicking through, can you name the four ex-Diamondback players in question?
The Diamondbacks
| From | To | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | |
| Lenny Harris | 1999 | 2000 | 55 | 121 | 114 | 11 | 27 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 20 | 3 | 6 | .237 | .248 | .325 | .572 |
| Raul Mondesi | 2003 | 2003 | 45 | 183 | 162 | 27 | 49 | 8 | 1 | 8 | 22 | 18 | 31 | .302 | .372 | .512 | .884 |
| Carlos Baerga | 2003 | 2004 | 184 | 325 | 292 | 37 | 91 | 15 | 0 | 6 | 50 | 24 | 32 | .312 | .370 | .425 | .795 |
| Roberto Alomar | 2004 | 2004 | 38 | 125 | 110 | 14 | 34 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 16 | 12 | 18 | .309 | .382 | .473 | .855 |
Lenny Harris played for half the teams in the National League at one point or other, but arrived in Arizona at the end of August 1999, in a trade with the Rockies, for a minor-leaguer (Belvani Martinez, who never made it above AA). He was part of our push to the NL West pennant, and made the post-season roster, appearing in two games against the Mets off the bench. However, he went 0-for-2, and hit .188 the following year, before being dealt, ironically, to the same New York Mets for another no-impact player. Chances of induction: sub-zero. Seriously, he'll be lucky to get a vote. The guy has a career negative WAR, and quite how he lasted 18 years in the NL escapes me.
Raul Mondesi came to us, with a bagful of cash, from the Yankees in exchange for three players, the most meaningful of whom was David Dellucci. We were second in the NL wild-card race at the time of the trade, just three games back, and it was hoped Mondesi would boost the offense. He did his part, batting .302 with eight HR in 183 PAs down the stretch, for an OPS+ of 121, but it wasn't enough. The Diamondbacks posted a losing record the rest of the way, and Mondesi left as a free agent. Change of induction: zero. One All-Star appearance and a 15th-place finish in the 1997 MVP, doesn't exactly scream "Cooperstown."
Carlos Baerga, a.k.a. the Shetland Pony, for his running style [there's a reason he had only two triples during his last decade in the majors]. But he still holds the franchise record for highest batting average in a season (min. 200 PA's): he hit .343 for AZ in 2003, though regressed to .235 the following season. He was almost exclusively a pinch-hitter for us by that point, starting just six of his 79 games for Arizona in 2004, and less than a quarter overall. Trivia question. What HR feat did Baerga manage that Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds never could? Chance of induction: zero. Had three All-Star seasons with Cleveland, but a career OPS of 100 won't cut it.
Roberto Alomar just missed out last time, falling eight votes short of the 405 necessary for election, so there's a good chance he'll get a few more, from those unconvinced of his merits as a first-ballot HoFer. In that area, he may also have been punished for the 1996 incident where he spat in the face of umpire John Hirschbeck, as ballot instructions tell voters to consider the "integrity, sportsmanship, character", of the candidate, among other things. But that seems a minor blip for a player considered by some as "one of the five greatest second basemen of all time." Chances of induction: excellent, to the point that I'd be very surprised if he doesn't make it.
Outside of those, there are 29 others. All told, fourteen are carried forward from last year, getting more than 5% of the vote, and nineteen are new names, whose hopes range from the possible (and we'll get to those soon) to the "token gesture" (Kirk Rueter? Really?). The fallout from the steroid era continues to grow, with the arrival of Benito Santiago and his somewhat murky past, having been mentioned in both the Mitchell Report and Game of Shadows. But the biggest name there is likely Rafael Palmeiro. Will his 3,000 hits be enough to overcome his positive test for steroids, or does he join Pete Rose as the only eligible member of the 3K club not in the Hall?
Of the returning players, Bert Blyleven may finally make it in, at the fourteenth attempt, having missed out last time by an even smaller margin than Alomar. It's an amazing feat, given he received only 17.5% in his first year of eligibility, then dropped, to just 14.1% the following season. For Jack Morris and Barry Larkin, this will be their twelfth and second appearances on the ballot respectively; each received more than 50% votes last time, but both men have significant ground to cross to reach the 75% required. It's hard to see anyone else of the ballot "veterans" making much inroad into their shortfall.
Among the newcomers, the two beyond Palmeiro with the best credentials seem to me to be Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker. The former had an impressive career OPS+ of 149, though it ended at a relatively young age of 37. His consistency was remarkable: in his first 13 seasons, he never had an OPS+ below 128, a number ever reached by only five qualifying players in D-backs history (Gonzo got there four times). Walker picked up seven Gold Gloves and five All-Star appearances, but may be hurt by being seen as having benefited from pre-humidor Denver. It's a fair point: over his career, Walker's road OPS was more than two hundred points lower than his home one.
Outside of Blyleven, who could become the first pitcher elected since Goose Gossage in 2008, the arms seem a relatively thin crop - seven of the 33 this year in total, and only four of 19 among the new names. Kevin Brown is likely the best of the latter, while John Franco, fourth on the all-time saves list, may be a useful test of the voters' fondness for relief pitchers. Here are the numbers posted by all the candidates, for you to consider as you fill out the ballot...
Batters
| Yrs | WAR | AB | R | H | HR | RBI | SB | BB | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | OPS+ | |
| Roberto Alomar | 17 | 63.5 | 9073 | 1508 | 2724 | 210 | 1134 | 474 | 1032 | .300 | .371 | .443 | .814 | 116 |
| Carlos Baerga | 14 | 16.0 | 5439 | 731 | 1583 | 134 | 774 | 59 | 291 | .291 | .332 | .423 | .754 | 100 |
| Jeff Bagwell | 15 | 79.9 | 7797 | 1517 | 2314 | 449 | 1529 | 202 | 1401 | .297 | .408 | .540 | .948 | 149 |
| Harold Baines | 22 | 37.0 | 9908 | 1299 | 2866 | 384 | 1628 | 34 | 1062 | .289 | .356 | .465 | .820 | 120 |
| Bret Boone | 14 | 21.4 | 6683 | 927 | 1775 | 252 | 1021 | 94 | 552 | .266 | .325 | .442 | .767 | 101 |
| Juan Gonzalez | 17 | 33.5 | 6556 | 1061 | 1936 | 434 | 1404 | 26 | 457 | .295 | .343 | .561 | .904 | 132 |
| Lenny Harris | 17 | -0.9 | 3924 | 460 |
1055 | 37 |
369 |
131 |
279 |
.269 |
.318 | .349 | .667 | 80 |
| Marquis Grissom | 17 | 25.6 | 8275 | 1187 | 2251 | 227 | 967 | 429 | 553 | .272 | .318 | .415 | .732 | 92 |
| Bobby Higginson | 11 | 21.4 | 4910 | 736 | 1336 | 187 | 709 | 91 | 649 | .272 | .358 | .455 | .813 | 113 |
| Charles Johnson | 12 | 22.0 | 3836 | 465 | 940 | 167 | 570 | 6 | 475 | .245 | .330 | .433 | .762 | 97 |
| Barry Larkin | 19 | 68.9 | 7937 | 1329 | 2340 | 198 | 960 | 379 | 939 | .295 | .371 | .444 | .815 | 116 |
| Edgar Martinez | 18 | 67.2 | 7213 | 1219 | 2247 | 309 | 1261 | 49 | 1283 | .312 | .418 | .515 | .933 | 147 |
| Tino Martinez | 16 | 25.7 | 7111 | 1008 | 1925 | 339 | 1271 | 27 | 780 | .271 | .344 | .471 | .815 | 112 |
| Don Mattingly | 14 | 39.8 | 7003 | 1007 | 2153 | 222 | 1099 | 14 | 588 | .307 | .358 | .471 | .830 | 127 |
| Fred McGriff | 19 | 50.5 | 8757 | 1349 | 2490 | 493 | 1550 | 72 | 1305 | .284 | .377 | .509 | .886 | 134 |
| Mark McGwire | 16 | 63.1 | 6187 | 1167 | 1626 | 583 | 1414 | 12 | 1317 | .263 | .394 | .588 | .982 | 162 |
| Raul Mondesi | 13 | 27.2 | 5814 | 909 | 1589 | 271 | 860 | 229 | 475 | .273 | .331 | .485 | .815 | 113 |
| Dale Murphy | 18 | 44.2 | 7960 | 1197 | 2111 | 398 | 1266 | 161 | 986 | .265 | .346 | .469 | .815 | 121 |
| John Olerud | 17 | 56.8 | 7592 | 1139 | 2239 | 255 | 1230 | 11 | 1275 | .295 | .398 | .465 | .863 | 128 |
| Rafael Palmeiro | 20 | 66.0 | 10472 | 1663 | 3020 | 569 | 1835 | 97 | 1353 | .288 | .371 | .515 | .885 | 132 |
| Dave Parker | 19 | 37.8 | 9358 | 1272 | 2712 | 339 | 1493 | 154 | 683 | .290 | .339 | .471 | .810 | 121 |
| Tim Raines | 23 | 64.6 | 8872 | 1571 | 2605 | 170 | 980 | 808 | 1330 | .294 | .385 | .425 | .810 | 123 |
| Benito Santiago | 20 | 23.8 | 6951 | 755 | 1830 | 217 | 920 | 91 | 430 | .263 | .307 | .415 | .722 | 93 |
| B.J. Surhoff | 19 | 34.4 | 8258 | 1062 | 2326 | 188 | 1153 | 141 | 640 | .282 | .332 | .413 | .745 | 98 |
| Alan Trammell | 20 | 66.9 | 8288 | 1231 | 2365 | 185 | 1003 | 236 | 850 | .285 | .352 | .415 | .767 | 110 |
| Larry Walker | 17 | 67.3 | 6907 | 1355 | 2160 | 383 | 1311 | 230 | 913 | .313 | .400 | .565 | .965 | 140 |
Pitchers
| Yrs | WAR | W | L | ERA | ERA+ | WHIP | G | GS | SV | IP | BB | SO | |
| Bert Blyleven | 22 | 87.6 | 287 | 250 | 3.31 | 118 | 1.198 | 692 | 685 | 0 | 4970.0 | 1322 | 3701 |
| Kevin Brown | 19 | 64.0 | 211 | 144 | 3.28 | 127 | 1.222 | 486 | 476 | 0 | 3256.1 | 901 | 2397 |
| John Franco | 21 | 25.5 | 90 | 87 | 2.89 | 138 | 1.333 | 1119 | 0 | 424 | 1245.2 | 495 | 975 |
| Al Leiter | 19 | 36.1 | 162 | 132 | 3.80 | 113 | 1.386 | 419 | 382 | 2 | 2391.0 | 1163 | 1974 |
| Jack Morris | 18 | 39.3 | 254 | 186 | 3.90 | 105 | 1.296 | 549 | 527 | 0 | 3824.0 | 1390 | 2478 |
| Kirk Rueter | 13 | 11.5 | 130 | 92 | 4.27 | 98 | 1.394 | 340 | 336 | 0 | 1918.0 | 582 | 818 |
| Lee Smith | 18 | 29.7 | 71 | 92 | 3.03 | 132 | 1.256 | 1022 | 6 | 478 | 1289.1 | 486 | 1251 |
Answer to trivia question: Carlos Baerga is one of the elite club of players to two hit home-runs in the same inning. He did it while with the Indians against the Yankees, in the seventh inning on April 8, 1993. And below, you'll find your ballot for Cooperstown. Who do you think deserves to make it in? You can provide your ballots and any additional thoughts, in the comments...
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Nice and better
than standing in a voting booth looking at "Should Judge “A” be retained -Yes or No?"
La vida no se ha hecho para comprenderla, sino para vivirla.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Dec 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
A lot of worthy candidates
I think the following all have strong arguments:
Hitters:
Alomar
Bagwell
Larkin
E Martinez
McGriff
McGwire
Olerud
Palmeiro
Raines
Trammell
Walker
Pitchers:
Blyleven
Brown
Smith
Of those, I think the following should make it:
Alomar
Bagwell
Larkin
McGwire
Raines
Trammell
Walker
Pitchers:
Blyleven
Brown
Admittedly, I tend to think a few more ought to make it through the sacred doors than actually do. And I am also of the opinion that given the rampant use of PEDs in the 90s allegations of drug use shouldn’t prevent a player from the HOF. I have been happy to see voters lately being more savvy about some of the advanced metrics, etc… I hope to see those continue to expand their influence in the voting.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
An Interesting Set This Year
What really stands out about this years candidates is the lack of truly “great” players who would be considered a “lock” for the hall. Instead, it is a ballot of “very good” players, many of whom had long, excellent careers. Which leads to the philosophical question of what is a “hall of famer” that has been debated for decades. Blyleven is the perfect example of this debate: excellent career, but not the “great” pitcher of his era.
And, of course, there is the PED debate, with both sides having valid arguments. Numbers were inflated, but use was so widespread that the entire era becomes tainted and suspect. The divide becomes whether you believe that PED’s were “cheating” or the competitive norm at the time. The same question could apply to cocaine use in the 70’s and 80’s (Raines). But you could also consider advances in medical technology that have changed careers in the game, such as arthroscopic and “Tommy John” surgeries, which are routine now days.
As most of you know, I’m a “liberal”. Which means I tend to be fairly forgiving (especially when it comes to drugs, where I’ve had my own failings). But I still consider the DH an abomination. That said, I’d vote for the following:
Blyleven
Alomar
Bagwell
McGwire
Palmeiro
Raines
Your mileage may vary.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
Alomar makes it
maybe Bly finally, but Morris may beat him
John Franco and Olerud should get in- Franco still top L RP
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Good article on Bagwell
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/im-just-saying/
Not voting Bagwell in on account of his muscular build shows the real problem with a strong anti-PEDs voting philosophy.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
I liked Big League Stew's article on the voting:
RIP: Fun Baseball Hall of Fame debates, 1936-2009
"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."
Indeed.
The “you have to wonder” theory is one that so many of the writers tend to use as a determining factor. Bagwell is truly HOF-worthy. Yet, because many writers “have to wonder”, he either waits another year or faces the threat of not even being inducted. It’s a joke.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Dec 30, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Most HOF voters
Probably should have their credentials revoked, especially the Veterans committee (IMO) considering the over sanctimonious nature and the rather arbitrary standards. No way in HELL Bagwell should be left off HOF ballots.
Bad doormat! No stock options!
I don't see any problem in waiting
It’s a lot easier to not vote someone in now, than to elect them, only for a skeleton to come rumbling out of the closet down the road, say, at the Bonds trial. What’s the rush? Better to err on the side of caution. Being voted in on your 15th time has exactly the same result as the first ballot.
"I don't wanna sit around watching you 'give it your best.' Either stop sucking or get out of the way."
by Jim McLennan on Dec 30, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
If that's the direction they're going to go
Then there is going to be a lot of blank ballots in the coming years.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Dec 30, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I read
Jeff Pearlman say that cause Jeff Bagwell didn’t say anything, he’s just as culpable if he didn’t actually juice.
Which by that logic, of course means guys like Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn shouldn’t have gotten voted in, and nobody will be voted in for another 15 years or so.
Bad doormat! No stock options!
Right.
You can’t assume and punish people based on skepticism.
It’s also nearly impossible to escape. When guys publicly deny PED use it rightly or wrongly associates the denier with the accusation. Denials tend to have a way of making you look guilty. Staying mum, however, only causes an equal amount of disbelief and makes people wonder why the accuser hasn’t denied it. There’s no way of avoiding it.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Another thing adding to that
Is that to most writers, Baseball still has some sort of mystique and sacredness and purity that other sports do not have (mostly because of the longer and more widely known history) so that if someone in their eyes ruins the never-actually-existed purity of the game, they MUST BE PUNISHED! Either for happening to play in an era of PEDs (like the Bagwell thing) or being a total jerk to the media on top of the PED rumors (See Bonds, Barry). It seems like to some people your Hall of Famer has to be a total saint as well. Nevermind the fact that the BIGGEST douchebag in history, Ty Cobb, is in the HOF.
Bad doormat! No stock options!
As it was mentioned above
None of the players on this year’s ballot can be considered a “lock” or “one of the greatest of their time.” They all had amazing and fulfilling careers but none that really made my jaw drop. I see a lot of these players to be, well, boring when it comes to a HOF induction.
They all have difficult arguments for different reasons too. Trammel played in a dynamic era for shortstops and tends to get pushed to the back despite having similar numbers to Larkin.
Walker was a great defender who averaged 31 home runs a year but is kept down because of the home park he played in. Guys don’t get any extra credit for playing in bigger ballparks and we don’t try to adjust the numbers of the older players who played in ballparks where the fences were routinely deeper than 450 feet. Should we treat a player who played in a pre-humidor field differently? Using Coors Field as the determining factor is too iffy for me.
Edgar Martinez gets roughed up for being a career DH but was a fine hitter. His line of .312/.418/.515 coupled with his 147 OPS+ is pretty hard to ignore. He averaged 24 home runs a year and was a seven-time all star as well.
McGwire and Palmiero can easily be considered the best of their time, but the PED fraught plagues the decision. It’s hard to vote in players who have admitted to “cheating” when sportsmanship is a factor.
That being said, I’d vote for who I’d consider to be the top three in: Blyleven, Alomar, and Bagwell.
Wear your own fur.
I'm excited about Larry Walker being on the ballot...
As he’s a longtime fave of mine (clear back BEFORE his Rockies days…loved him as an Expo as well as a Rockie and Cardinal)…but I REFUSE to vote in anyone who took PEDS cough cough Palmeiro McGwire etc etc
"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz
I still think
Franco and Smith need to go in. Sutter is the benchmark and those two compare favorably with Sutter.
No Julio Franco, no peace.
by Reynolds rapper on Dec 30, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions

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