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The Non-Tender List: anyone you fancy for the D-backs?

Free Scott Hairston! The Padres just did...

52 players had been non-tendered by their teams, when the deadline was reached on Thursday night. As usual, there were some surprising and quite well-known names. One that stand out include the Dodgers Russell Martin and George Sherrill, John Maine of the Mets, and Chien-Ming Wang from Washington - hey, if we're not bringing back Brandon Webb, maybe we can get another sinkerballer? Ok, maybe not... There's also a number of ex-Dbacks, including Lance Cormier, Dustin Nippert, Chris Carter (the Mets version), Jack Cust, Scott Hairston and - wait for the squee! - Trent Oeltjen.

The full list and some initial thoughts can be found after the jump. Anyone you think the Diamondbacks should pursue?

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Most of the names listed were non-tendered for good reason, but as we saw with Kelly Johnson last year, there is potential to mine some diamond(back)s from the rough. The main area of interest for Arizona is likely to be the bullpen, and Kevin Towers has already shown his willingness to go dumpster-diving (or, more charitably, a "buy low" approach), with the pick-ups of Wily Mo Pena and Zach Duke.

However, I do have to say, given the interest in rebuilding the bullpen, I am surprised that we non-tendered Blaine Boyer and D.J. Carrasco. In 84 games for Arizona, Boyer had a 3.64 ERA, and last season had the best ERA of anyone with more than 25 relief innings, as well as a FIP in line with that. Carrasco, over the past three seasons has posted an ERA+ of 119, in more than 210 innings. Both men are second-year arbitration eligible, and would likely get salaries in $1-1.5 million range. GM Kevin Towers said, "We just didn't want to go through the arbitration process," but added "It still keeps the door open if we are not able to fill needs externally."

That seems more true for Carrasco than Boyer, with Towers saying "He's probably the one guy that's still on our radar screen... He fills kind of multiple roles in the 'pen and he actually threw kind of well for me the last two or three weeks of the season. We didn't like him at what we thought the arbitration number would be." As noted, that should probably be, last two or three years, and I'm wondering what we're going to find for that $1.5 million, which will be more productive. If we open the season with Esmerling Vasquez - aged 27, with a career WHIP of 1.55 - in the bullpen instead, I'm going to be upset...

Probably the biggest relief name out there [at 275 lbs, in more ways than one - something in the commentary booth is drooling...] is former White Sox closer Bobby Jenks. He has a career ERA+ of 136, and has already piled up 173 saves at age 29. He earned $7.5 million in 2010, and Tim Dierkes reckons he will get multiple years at $5m+, saying Jenks "might be the best closer" on the market after Rafael Soriano, with Mariano Rivera apparently off the market. Dierkes also mentions Joel Peralta and Jose Veras in particular, while listing Manny Delcarmen, Hideki Okajima, and George Sherrill as "former set-up types".

Arizona still appear to be looking for a closer, so wonders whether they will go for Jenks, who is probably looking for that role - something that might not be available with other teams. At the moment, our bullpen consists of Juan Gutierrez, Sam Demel and (ugh) Vasquez, plus a bunch of question-marks (Mike Hampton? Jordan Norberto?), so there is no shortage of slots available for filling.

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Well, duh.

Trent, of course. What position does he play? Who cares?

If I'm going to be accused of being a mythical figure, I'd much rather be a leprechaun, thank you very much.

by 4 Corners Fan on Dec 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Jenks of course and

Matt Diaz to platoon in lf. Much better than Willy slo-mo Pena.

by dbacks watcher on Dec 3, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

For me

I would like to see us going after Jenks. Maybe Miner, Andrew Miller and Hairston.

I have always like Russ Martin, but he has no real fit with our team. Im actually really surprised that he was non tendered.

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Dec 3, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

I think maybe

He had a great start last yr, then fizzled at the end..So that may drop his price, but if he keeps sucking, who knows.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Dec 3, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't he

one of the guys the Mets got to keep Heilman out ot the starinng rotation?

by xmet on Dec 3, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No thats Scot Maine.

This is John Maine

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Dec 4, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

he is right. We traded Scot Maine to the Cubs for Heilman. The Mets traded for John Maine (and Julio) in 2006 for Kris Benson.

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Dec 4, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

guys

wasn’t this covered in 8th grade social studies as one of the primary causes of the Spanish-American war when Maine’s last season blew up on the mound and the Mets FO stormed the mound with Teddy Roosevelt and the AZ Bullpen, aka the Rough Riders? Granted that only the Reds signed Cuban pitchers the year before last but someone had to have one some scouting district rights in the Dominican over this.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Dec 4, 2010 7:07 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jenks would be nice

but I suspect that the price tag will be too high for Towers.
I certainly would like to see Carrasco back as a solid versatile reliever.
Of the other relievers on the list, a lot depends on the price tag, but I’d certainly ‘kick the tires’ on Chris Ray and Erick Threets as possible bargains.

I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.

by pygalgia on Dec 3, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

price tag is too high?

Were not the pirates and we have a ton of money available to spend, like 20 million or something.

by txzona on Dec 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

We also had a payroll

That was supposed to be supported by high attendance due to a winning record. That kinda failed to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 3, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Joel Peralta, Jenks, Okajima, Maine and Hairston.

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 41

by Jdub220 on Dec 3, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Jenks for closer is my guess

I heard Towers was looking at Zavada and the stache again, anyone have any news on that?

I would love us to grab a few from that list above..Hairston, Jenks, maybe Buck or Cust, Sherrill. Or bring DJ back.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Dec 3, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

My list of people I'd look at:

Maine, Delcarmen, Rowland-Smith, Coffey, Howell, Okajima, Nippert, Frandsen, Fields, Encarnacion, R. Martin

That doesn’t mean I’d sign ALL of them but that’s a pretty good list of role players. When looking for bench, bullpen, back end starter, and platoon possibilities, any of these guys could be pretty decent.

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 3, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think Id pass on Nippert...

because…well it IS Nippert.

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

better than Boyer

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 3, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

boyer is not good

it’s impossible to be good if you walk as many guys as you strike out. and boyer’s overall stats were helped out quite a bit by that ridiculously low HR/FB rate two years ago.

jenks. i don’t think he’ll be that expensive. can’t imagine people paying more for him than putz/benoit after last year’s numbers.

okajima for around two million, i’d take.

i also like todd coffey.

by blue bulldog on Dec 3, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

what if you walk zero guys and strike out zero guys?

just sayin…

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Dec 3, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You'll give up far too many home runs to be incredibly effective...

Even if you have a high GB-Rate (not legendary, of course, but good), that’s going to spike you numbers up since there’s so much contact —> fly balls —> home runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 4, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This doesn't need saying

but you’ll be tied up in BABIP and HR/FB.

Basically, your FIP would be 13*HR/IP + 3.2

If we take NL averages for HR/IP, that FIP is 4.55 as opposed to 4.02 for the average pitcher.

So quite a bit below average, more than I expected when I started typing this.

by paqs on Dec 6, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions  

And I would guess

That the HR/IP would be higher than NL average, since there will be more balls in play, and thus more fly balls, and thus more home runs than the typical pitcher who can miss bats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 6, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Hypothetically, if the guy had such poor stuff that he could never strike anyone out, there’d be homers and line drives galore.

by paqs on Dec 6, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey,

D.J. Carrasco is available. We should get him.

by Azreous on Dec 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I was going to make a snarky comment like this as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 3, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey DJ, he's our DJ.

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 3, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+10

But I’m sure the will find a cheaper releiver somewhere.

by xmet on Dec 3, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

can someone fill me in on jp howell?

I’m curious what y’all think. He went to my high school so I’m interested. Initial numbers look good, but I’m not good at stats like everyone else.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson

by Red Reign on Dec 3, 2010 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The DBacks are a disaster

at LHP. No Noberto is how I come down on it. Howell or Okajima would be fine if cheap.

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 3, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be down

Nowhere to go but up as far as LOOGY’s go, as RR mentioned already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 3, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like the signing since he is only 27 but

he is coming off shoulder surgery

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Dec 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd pass on Delcarmen

He sucked in Boston and sucked in Colorado…why bring him here to suck even more?

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Dec 3, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

He only pitched

8.1 innings in Colorado though. Prior to that, he definitely fell into a bit of a hole, but I wouldn’t say he “sucked.”

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Dec 3, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooh!

Ryan Rowland-Smith. Just so mrssoco can have another Aussie accent.

by jinnah on Dec 3, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

He could platoon with Trent.

If I'm going to be accused of being a mythical figure, I'd much rather be a leprechaun, thank you very much.

by 4 Corners Fan on Dec 4, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for signing Jenks

and probably sign some relievers from this list. I don’t want to lose draft picks by signing type-b free agents.

If at first you don't succeed, try left field.

by dbacks25 on Dec 3, 2010 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

You don't "lose" any for Type B's

The team who had the free agent get a bonus pick, but it’s just an additional pick, not one taken from the signing franchise.

"I don't wanna sit around watching you 'give it your best.' Either stop sucking or get out of the way."

by Jim McLennan on Dec 3, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My Wish List

Bobby Jenks, Scott Hairston, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Hideki Okajima, Matt Diaz.
One arm and one bat would be cool.

by TheMusician on Dec 3, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Jim Abbot?

"I'm a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing."

by kishi on Dec 3, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That's one hand.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Dec 4, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to give you a hand,

you know your stuff.

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Dec 4, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Diaz

one of the reasons the Braves released Church?
Maybe cheaper, but better?

by xmet on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's get

Jack Cust, Matt Diaz, Fred Lewis, or Lastings Milledge to play left field.

Also, every relief pitcher. Okajima, Sherrill, Coffey and Jenks all look good to me.

If any of those other guys I’ve never heard of are any good, get them too.

OK?

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Dec 4, 2010 4:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'd be in favor of any LHP

exhibiting anything resembling base competency in not walking people and having an effective curveball. I would pass on Mr. Coffee, although perhaps as a franchise Christmas present to Mark Grace, he might get a look in spring training. Mr. Velez, late of San Francisco, is one of those guys that plays the other three IF positions but actually has some speed, I wonder if he would be superfluous to Mr. Blum or a good compliment to those skills.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Dec 4, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I'm glad someone else noticed

that there are players other than pitchers on a baseball team.

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Get Scott Hairston !!

(Cross posting from the bullpen.)

I really wouldn’t be surprised to see Towers bring back Scott Hairston, He could be a decent platoon partner with Parra, and Towers probably has fond memories of how well Hairston played for SD after the trade.

From July 28, 2007 through July 5th, 2009, Hairston as a Padre…(Before trade to Oakland)

673 PA’s, 610 AB .270/.330/.520 133 OPS+ 35 HR, 80 RBI, 84 Runs, 11 SB, 2 CS, and just 6 GIDP

He played surprsingly good defense too, and BB-Ref WAR during that time was 5.1, Fangraphs WAR 5.4. So both systems in agreement that was a great great deal for SD.

But he has been a replacement level player since being traded to Oakland in mid 2009 and then going back to SD last year.

From July 6 2009 through end of last year:

584 PA’s, 528 AB .222/.281/.366 76 OPS+ 17 HR, 71 RBI, 58 Runs , 9 SB, 3 Cs, 8 GIDP

Fangraphs 0.2 WAR, BB-Ref, -1.2 WAR

He’s going into age 31 season.

Anybody here up for a Parra/Hairston platoon ? I’d give it a shot…..what do we have to lose ?

by shoewizard on Dec 4, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

We have dignity?

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 4, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait.....

Yeah I forgot we need to get that back

by Cran Man on Dec 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeter

According to ESPN, the Yanks and Jeter just agreed to a complicated contract. Seems like the simple version is that it’s a 3 yr, $51M contract. Crazy. I love it. Too bad it wasn’t 6 years, though.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 4, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

And Berkman signed with the Cards for one year. Too bad he’s off the market. Wonder what he is getting paid. Didn’t see a report on that yet.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

8 million

solid deal for the Cards in my opinion. you get 1 year which kills the risk of a long-term bad contract. and 2 WAR should be a piece of cake for berk to reach next year, playing in the NL

by blue bulldog on Dec 4, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. The biggest risk is the fact that he’ll be manning LF.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 4, 2010 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"Should be a piece of cake"

For a 35-year-old breaking-down outfielder? I’m not counting on his balky knees holding up if he has to be doing all of that running.

I think with so many teams in on Berkman since he looked like such a strong rebound cahdidate, there’s a serious chance he was just way overpaid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 5, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

um

8 million = 2 WAR (or actually less than two WAR, depending on how you view inflation on wins above replacement)

it’s far more likely for berkman to reach 2 WAR next year than not.

by blue bulldog on Dec 5, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what it means

You missed the main concern of my post – injury. It might be “more likely than not,” but I don’t see Berkman getting much above 2 WAR if things go well, but things could easily go horribly wrong and Berkman’s body could absolutely explode. Just an opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 6, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

*shrug

things can always go horribly wrong. just because lester has the chance at blowing his arm doesn’t mean his contract isn’t a really good contract for the red sox.

i think if you look at it from an EV standpoint, the cardinals got a good deal. and you mitigate the injury risk by making it 1-year

sorry if my previous post sounded douchey. didn’t mean to.

by blue bulldog on Dec 6, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah

But it’s much more likely for a 35-year-old with knee surgery already in the past.

I think there’s a legitimate chance that he’s below-average in LF, a position which has an adjustment that already is negative. In other words, his bat has to really be back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a one year deal

Mozeliak said it was an overpay because they didn’t want to pay him for 2 years.

by paqs on Dec 7, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

As a Cards fan,

I am conflicted because of his history w/the Astros. I’m sure he will conflict with LaRussa since he is not a 2b-ss-c-cf who can pitch in 16 inning games and play 3b opposite handed.

Yay?

Krauss watch 2010: 7-27 8R 5BB 12RBI

by Reynolds rapper on Dec 5, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1, I lol’d.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 5, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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