Renderings Of New Mesa/Cubs Spring Complex Released
Also, details on the funding of the new complex -- no taxpayer money involved.
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Al Yellon
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No taxpayer money?
So is it privately financed? Why would a private financing need to go to the ballot measure (which I have not yet read)?
I got nothin'.
Read the link at BCB.
It explains the whole process. There is public money being used, but it is being raised by the sale of land, not by any tax increase.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I should have been clearer.
There IS “taxpayer money” involved, just no new tax dollars.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
whoopsie!
the economic-development benefits of new stadiums and pro sports teams are almost zero
Let’s hope the people of mesa are smart enough to realize this too
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 10, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This has
pretty much been economic common knowledge for years, but municipal authorities get so excited about sports facilities and cling to the outdated notion that they “pay for themselves”.
Mr. Science Boy
I would not be surtprised if Prop 420
goes down to defeat from comments I hear from Mesa voters. I’m glad they finally woke up
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still opposed
to public financing of private sports facilities, just on an economic basis, but I DO have to admit that I’m glad the Cubs are staying, (well, I guess… like they really had a choice, anyway??) and I’m glad they found a way to pay for it that doesn’t punish EVERYONE.
Mr. Science Boy
At first glance
It looks like everyone’s getting what they wanted, which is pretty sweet. I know this proposal initially ruffled a lot of feathers here in AZ, but I’d say people generally want the Cubs to stay and it seems they found a reasonable way to make it happen.
Thanks for the link, Al.
Good stuff. (Still hate your team, though)
Not gonna lie — it’s still excessively luxurious for a ST facility, especially one that only houses a single team.
Mr. Science Boy
No taxpayer money involved
Which implies a whole lot of things that aren’t actually true.
"Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center.
AMEN StevenABQ!!!!!
I wish the Cubs would move to FL
Finally, a voice of reason.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 4, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
mmmmmm, rendering.
Yummy fatty goodness…wait, we’re talking about the Cubs, wtf? :)
I'm feeling fiery, fiery, I tells ya! Who cares if I lose 10 in a row?
by Reynolds rapper on Oct 4, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
They are going to be across from my subdivision.
This does not make me happy. They will not be good neighbors re: parking.
I'm feeling fiery, fiery, I tells ya! Who cares if I lose 10 in a row?
by Reynolds rapper on Oct 4, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
"neighborhood" would have been a better word.
and my apartment complex doesn’t have numbered spaces. Welcome fat guys with Fukudome jerseys!
I'm feeling fiery, fiery, I tells ya! Who cares if I lose 10 in a row?
by Reynolds rapper on Oct 4, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping to see a garbage dump
after clicking through. Oh well.
I guess it looks nice. I guess.
That was a rhetorical question. I don't really care what you say.
ours is nicer, period
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 4, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It does
look pretty dang nice. They’re putting it up fast, too.
That was a rhetorical question. I don't really care what you say.
You still working out there?
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 5, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of
I don’t work off Indian Bend anymore, I moved up to the Shea store, but I still pass it nearly every day. It’s only about 10 minutes from my house.
That was a rhetorical question. I don't really care what you say.
sweet! I know
where to park then next spring!
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.
.
(j/k!)
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 5, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The D'backs
facility, I should specify, lest anyone think I support the Cubs.
That was a rhetorical question. I don't really care what you say.
More Welfare for Billionaires
Just because Mesa does not have to raise YOUR taxes (they are attempting to raise hotel taxes yet again) doesn’t mean it doesn’t cost you anything. The $84M is being raised by selling land that Mesa owns – we could use the $84M for ANYTHING (police, fire, schools, parks, tax reductions, WHATEVER). Your city will still be $84M poorer after the stadium is built.
Oh, and by the way, there is no contractual requirement for the Cubs to build anything resembling “wrigleyyville west” – that is all BS hype.
And yes, I am a lifelong baseball fan. But if they can’t build their own facilities here, I am more than happy to let Florida taxpayers build one for them.
by Craig from Az on Oct 8, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
They may not be raising taxes for this, but if Mesa wanted to sell this land, they could spend that money on something more important. Just because you aren’t handing out cash for this specific project doesn’t mean it’s not costing you anything.
And last I heard, there still wasn’t much interest in Florida to lay out cash for a Cubs facility anyway…
"Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center.
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