Diamondbacks 2, Dodgers 7: Another day, another defeat
Record: 61-78. Pace: 71-91. Change on last season: -10.
If you'd told me before the game started that Mandy would get ejected from the game in the third inning, I'd probably have taken that as a good omen for today's contest. However, a little more thought would have had me realize that it probably wasn't a good thing, as the only way this could happen is if the Dodgers had previously sent 12 men to the plate - if that's happening in the third inning... Not so good. And this was indeed the case: the Dodgers were already 3-0 up at that point, and the Diamondbacks never got closer than two runs behind the rest of the way, though the score was padded against the B-bullpen.
Still, seeing Her Dreadlocked Highness get her ass handed to her by the home-plate umpire was fun - It seems to happen almost on a monthly cycle. Hmm... We should perhaps check and see if there's a delivery to the Dodgers' hotel tonight of a quart of Ben and Jerry's and a copy of Made of Honor. Pre-menstrual details after the jump.
Five defeats in a row for Arizona, outscored 33-14 in that time, and having gone 3-for-34 with runners in scoring position in those five games. We're not pitching, we're not hitting, and we're not even capable of running the bases without the Benny Hill theme starting up. Witness today's amusing little disaster, summed up in the box-score as, "J Upton grounded into a fielder's choice double play, shortstop to third to second to first, S Drew out at third, J Upton out at second." Yes: we manage to ground into a double-play, even without a runner on first, thanks to Stephen Drew going on contact and Upton getting caught rounding first too far. Yuk.
When you start off with the above, which ended the first inning, you might as well reach for the alcoholic beverage of your choice, because it's clearly going to be a long day. Those of us at work... Well, let's just say, it's amazin what you can hide in a 32oz. Thirstbuster or travel coffee-mug. Just remember not to exhale anywhere near your boss. Certainly, some kind of analgesic was necessary to numb the pain of this one. And it skidded further downhill immediately, as Ramirez and Loney went yard back-to-back to open the visitors' second - another run was added before the frame was over.
Further suckage ensued in our half of the second, with Mark Reynolds being thrown out trying to steal second-base - that makes him 0-2 in September, and he's going to have to do a lot better if he wants to reach thirty. The gloom lifted slightly in the third, with Mandy taking exception to a pitch against him being called a strike by home-plate umpire Doug Eddings, saying "I told him I thought it was a ball. Then I threw my helmet, and he threw me out. It's OK. He's human. He's not a machine." How very kind of you, Mr. Ramirez. I'm sure Doug will sleep better for knowing that.
Yet another homer followed for the Dodgers in the fourth, and the Chase Field crowd started a chant aimed at Max: "Are you Petit in disguise?" Well, actually, they didn't, but could hardly be blamed if they did so. Furcal managed to bunt for a clean double, leading off the LA fifth, sending it over the head of the onrushing Reynolds, but was held there thanks in part to Max Scherzer's butt, which blocked a liner back up the middle. Things then got about as good as they were going to get in the fourth, as Chris Young unleashed another home-run, a two-run shot, the day after becoming the first man ever to hit three in a game while batting below .200 [with 300+ PAs].
Scherzer ended up going seven innings, a feat which seemed pretty unlikely early on in the game. Obviously not a quality start, with four runs allowed, but his first-pitch strike rate was up at 66%, and he only walked one while scattering seven hits. He only struck out three, his lowest number since June and third-lowest of the season - on the other hand, it is the first time in his career that he has gone seven or more innings in consecutive games. I think he may be eased off down the stretch, with word of him being skipped for his last start entirely. Certainly, no point overtaxing anyone, be it Scherzer, Dan Haren or anyone else.
It all got a bit tense in the fourth inning. Scherzer hit Russell Martin with a pitch on the left shoulder: some discussion ensued as to whether this might have been retaliation for showboating on an earlier Dodger homer, or for pitches up and in to Reynolds. Both benches were officially warned, and Martin and Scherzer exchanged words as the former was escorted to first by the home-plate umpire. They exchanged words after the end of the inning too, but in post-game comments, both seemed conciliatory, Martin saying, "Looking at his body language, I don't think he tried to hit me. But it still hurt." Fair enough.
Seemed a bit of a curious decision to make Zavada the first man out of the bullpen and send him in for the eighth, since he pitched two innings as recently as Saturday - admittedly, we burned more arms in yesterday's Coors incinerator than a mortuary technician probably gets through in a month. A single, two stolen bases and a walk followed; Bryan Augenstein returned, slotting easily into the role expected by a Diamondbacks reliever, allowing both inherited runners to score. Juan Gutierrez allowed a run in the ninth with the help of another LA stolen-base.
Two hits for Drew, a pair for Gerardo Parra. Young's home-run was somewhat undone by his other three at-bats, so he is still just below .200. He is, however, now ahead of Brandon Allen, who has had three hits in his last 30 at-bats - although all of them are for extra-bases, and two of them have left the park. Allen's season, and indeed, career average is down to .196. I know the Reno effect inflates numbers there a good deal, but at this point, after Josh Whitesell, Trent Oeltjen and now, apparently, Allen, we may simply have to start halving the batting averages there, to get a major-league equivalent.

[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Stephen Drew, +10.0%
God-emperor of suck: Justin Upton, -17.3%
Dishonorable mentions: Allen, -11.5; Scherzer, -10.8%
I'm tempted to declare a mis-trial for this afternoon's Gameday Thread, given the amount of utterly shameless post-count padding that went on. Really. You people. Still, especially today, labor deserves to be recognized, and on that basis, all hail dimah1109, who pipped Wailord 385-357. Yes, you read that right: over 740 comments between the two of them alone. 'Skins was (a very long way) back in third. Also present, and deserving credit for showing up in the teeth of the tidal wave, were sayheyupton, RockiesMagicNumber, pygalgia, hotclaws, victor frankenstein, ZonaBacks10, txzona, Diamondhacks, snakecharmer, kishi, IHateSouthBend, NASCARbernet, jazzbo13, katers, 4 Corners Fan, Giannaros, Tripon, edbigghead, befizzle and pierzynskirules. Combined, they were responsible for less than either of the top two.
Something that might have been lost in the thread, but worth mentioning. With their defeat today, the Pittsburgh Pirates have now guaranteed themselves a seventeenth consecutive losing season. And it hasn't even been close of late - the last time they had more than 75 wins was a decade ago. Think about that one the next time you bemoan the fate of our team this season...
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In case you didn't see
the last time Manny was thrown out was July seventh…
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Gotta say: as frustrating as these losses are, if CY is really in the beginning stages of putting Humpty Dumpty back together again it will be all worth it. If he is able to find ‘it’ again and re-emerge as a plus offensive/defensive CF, that would be fantastic.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
Hmm.
“I told him I thought it was a ball. Then I threw my helmet, and he threw me out. It’s OK. He’s human. He’s not a machine.”
So the umpire is just like Albert Pujols, then.
Why did he word it
as if the ump made a mistake?
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Because
he’s Manny, and he’s a douchebag?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I was going to say
Exactly this.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Sep 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, however, now ahead of Brandon Allen, who has had three hits in his last 30 at-bats – although all of them are for extra-bases, and two of them have left the park. Allen’s season, and indeed, career average is down to .196. I know the Reno effect inflates numbers there a good deal, but at this point, after Josh Whitesell, Trent Oeltjen and now, apparently, Allen, we may simply have to start halving the batting averages there, to get a major-league equivalent.
Well, I think we need to learn to expect rookies to perform like rookies, rather than like Reno superstars.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Seriously
There’s a reason there’s a level below the Majors and it’s for players to develop their skills… why would someone doing well against people trying to MAKE the Majors do as well as people that have been there? Doesn’t translate directly at all.
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Minor Translation
I remember reading an article by Bill James a few years back (and can’t seem to find now) that argues exactly the opposite case – that taking into account league differentials, park factors, etc., that you CAN generally predict the performance of players that move up from the minors to the majors.
If anybody knows where that article exists, a link would be much appreciated.
by Craig from Az on Sep 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Minor League Equivalency
Is the term you need to Google. Couldn’t find the exact Bill James piece mentioned, but here are a couple of useful links:
Explaining the principles – http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/scholars/czerny/articles/calculatingMLEs.htm
An MLE calculator – http://minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
The kid is 24
He’s got plenty of time. He’s shown his power, and there’s also BABIP to blame. The K’s are frightening, but Mark Reynolds is the same way.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Sep 8, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
23*
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How nice...
it would be if everyone was defending Josh Whitesell back when he was struggling, but now that the Messiah, Brandon Allen, has been struggling, people come out in defense of the rookies. Funny. After all the ragging on Whitesell (he’s too old etc. etc) and then “Mr Future” Allen comes in and folks are so happy to see Whitesell go away so Allen can hit his 50 homeruns and dazzle us. Perhaps the Dbacks and its fans could learn a lesson about letting rookies develop before turning them into superstars, or colossal falilures, based on a short stint in the majors. Look how the Dbacks keep letting Byrnes and Young fail over and over (nevermind Young’s 3 homers, he is a .220 hitter if lucky)
Diamondhacks?
Is that you?
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It's
definitely not Diamondhacks. Diamondhacks’ posts are more focused, better punctuated and rarely this overtly combative. Also, he wouldn’t post under a fake name.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Hmm
I wonder if it’s anything to do with the fact that Whitesell is 27, and Allen is 23.
Naw, we must just hate Josh Whitesell.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
I'm really tempted to post the pic
But it’ll get less attention as a link.
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Wait
We’re racist because we hate the white guy? But we’re Nazis because of the Augie chant. I’m soooooo confused now.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Dead link
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Lame site
Worked for like ten seconds, now it’s dead. Feel free to delete the post, serves no purpose at this point.
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It’s to discourage hotlinks. If you copy and paste the link, it works.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Yeah, I figured it out.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Yeah, I get that
Except that it worked earlier. Maybe my browser cached it…
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Probably.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Do you do any other tricks?
Or are you a one trick pony?
Granted, you’ve only allowed us 2 comments to get to know your brilliance….
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I'm excited.
It could be a slightly-more-sense-making AZBOMBERS!
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There's nothing about Upton.
However, he IS ragging on multiple young black players, so….
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I was talking more trollish but seemingly racist
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Whitesell
also had a half-decent string of ABs last year, as well, including a homer, so unlike Allen, it’s not his first look at major league pitching.
I’ve defended Big Josh all season, but towards the end, it was just PAINFUL to see him bat.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
On that note
I think we really won the Peña trade.
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The Peña trade
looks worse for the ChiSox now than it did before — firstly, they’re slipping out of contention, and secondly, they’ve traded Jim Thome….
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
A random stat
His ERA is actually slightly better in Chicago- 4.18 vs. 4.24 with us. I was expecting a big decline for him.
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The move
from NL to AL is probably somewhat mitigated by the fact that he’s now pitching in US Cellular, rather than Chase.
Also, very few AL batters have seen him before.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Plus
It’s not like the great hitters in the AL get to see him multiple times per game. This is pure speculation, but he also may just be getting lucky and coming out against the bottom part of lineups (but I can’t be sure – would be interesting to somehow find out). But he is what he is – probably reaching something around his ceiling right about now. Great, then collapses, then decent, rinse, recycle, repeat.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Sep 8, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
oh rub it in
little one
WHAT I WANT IS FOR SOMEONE TO BE UNDERSTANDING OR SHUT UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PLACE.
by pierzynskirules on Sep 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah
You’re funny. 1 – Allen’s ceiling is about 30 HR. But we’ll take that. 2 – Josh Whitesell is horrible and a career minor-leaguer, there’s seasons of evidence to support this, and this is supposed to be one of his prime years, not a season in which a good player will hit around .220. 3 – Brandon Allen may in fact fizzle out, but he is 23. Give it time.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Like ‘Skins, I was also a big backer of Whitesell. But he got more than a fair shake and just couldn’t put it together. They kept Allen in the minors for much longer than he would have usually been in the minors, just to extend the rope on Whitesell. But in the end, Whitesell couldn’t make it happen. And the organization just needed to move on.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
Four.
That’s the number of games Chris Young has hit consecutively now.
Please return your seat backs to their full upright position. We have just lost cabin pressure.
Wear your own fur.
Is that
a season high for him? Jim?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I attempted
to steal thunder, but I can’t view the full thing because I’m not a subscriber. Assuming it’s sorted by longest to shortest streak, yes, it is the longest of the season.
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Ties it
He had a four game hit streak in May.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Your mistake
Was it was looking for games where he had 1 hit. You need to go with the greater-or-equal-than option.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Next time I'm bored
aka after school, I’ll have to go and play around. I’ve always found BBRef fascinatingly awesome.
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Interestingly
His four game streak in May was Hinch’s first four games as manager.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Actually
A question, how do you count hit streaks? Two cases in point:
-In May, CY has a hit in one game, plays an inning in the next as a defensive replacement (but never bats) and then hits in four games after that. Is it a four or a five game hit streak?
-Later, in July, CY has a hit in one game, gets an intentional walk in his only at-bat in the next game, and then has hits in the next three games. How would that be counted?
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Those are some
quality questions…
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Courtesy of Wiki
According to the Official Baseball Rules, such a streak is ended when a player has at least 1 plate appearance and no hits. A streak shall not be terminated if all official plate appearances result in a base on balls, hit by pitch, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.1
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Therefore
both games would continue the hit streak.
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
There we are, then
CY’s season high hit streak is 5 games.
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Why are you woohooing?
Wailord statFAIL!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Because
I got to slightly redeem myself with a simple Wiki search. Plus, kishi was nice enough to show my error. D:
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
It was a team effort
Snakepit powers, activate!
"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."
Watch how cool I am, using stats
Tomorrow, CY goes for a fifth straight game with a hit against Billingsley (the only pitcher he’s had more PAs against is Zito), and it should bode well- he’s batting .348 against Chad with a homer in 23 ABs. However, the New CY of Suck is 0-2 against him this year with a walk…
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Here's a few things I need explained, COMPLETELY off-topic
- How do you guys not like Thom Brennaman? I thought he was one of the best announcers…
- How do you not like The Wave? Pretty much the awesomest thing evar.
Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.
Speaking for myself only...
Thom Brennaman had a strange habit of saying really strange things. His play-by-play often turned into a monologue and he could never make it seem like he was even interested in the game. It was almost like he just made stuff up on a whim and tried to make it sound like he knew what he was talking about. Also, check this if you’ve never seen it. It’s laughable.
I think waves are cool but only when the opportunity is there. It’s incredibly annoying when people try to start a wave in a situation where the game is up for grabs.
Wear your own fur.
There's a school of thought that sez...
…that if we’re entertained by ourselves what the heck is the ball game for?
Next thing ya know it’ll be beach balls…
…an’ Frisbees…
…an’ r/c airplanes…
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 8, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
New avatar?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Yeah.
Time to move on.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 8, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
“That might be the greatest hyperbole of all time”
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
(I really, really dislike Tim Tebow, by the way)
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Now he’s a weird choice of a person to dislike.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
Well, I respect him,
I just dislike him.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
so, it’s more like you dislike the adulation his receives. that’s fair.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
Well, DEFINITELY that.
I’m certainly suffering from Tebow fatigue, but I also dislike the way he showboats and acts on the field.
Plus, I don’t like the SEC in general.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
"His faith sustains him..."
I assume he must mean Tim Tebow’s faith sustains him through the living hell that comes with being a 21 year old superstar athlete in the US. We all know how difficult that must be…
by Craig from Az on Sep 8, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brennaman drove me nuts. Especially post 2001 where his despair and pessimism hung like a cloud over every broadcast. I appreciate when announcers are aware of and point out the flaws in a team, but Brennaman was the Eeyore of announcers in those years.
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8
Ramirez? Loney? Home runs?
That seems so MEDDERSingly familiar…
– clank –
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
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