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Diamondbacks 5, Rockies 13: Young with three bombs, but Petit pitches as bullpen implodes

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Chris Young suddenly remembers how to hit. "OOOOH! So THAT'S how you do it."
CY later remarked that he felt like he'd been living in a dream this entire season.

Record: 61-77. Pace: 71-91. Change on last season: -10.

In what seems to be only fitting for a Diamondbacks blog, I was seemingly called up to guest recap (alright, so I offered- big deal) and I can surely say that I own the title for the youngest recapper evar. Any criticism will be met with that as an excuse, so please, be prepared. Anyway, I'll get on to the recap of a game that was definitely forgettable (in multiple ways), but showed promise for a certain sub-Mendozan centerfielder… details after the jump (oh, I feel so cool typing that!)…

Star-divide

Another Petit start, another game lost earlier than it should have been. On days in which he pitches, it's really sort of a flip of a coin; you're either going to see a nice, quality start, or a start that makes you wonder why he continues to pitch every fifth day. This, quite clearly, was the latter, as Petit turned in an outing that was obviously done to make up for the previous un-Petitish three that he has thrown. It seems every inning had something that needs to be recounted, so excuse me for that I used.

I will give him credit when it's due. Yusmeiro was nice enough to meltdown earlier in the game, so as to allow me to get started on this recap earlier in the game and not be so focused on such a close game. The game began pretty well for Arizona, despite not getting a hit- after a leadoff popup by RyRo, Byrnes walked and later stole after an Upton flyout. Mark then walked, bringing up Rusty Ryal with runners on first and second. De La Rosa delivered a pitch that got by Rockies catcher Ian Stewart, advancing both Byrnsie and Mark- of course, being the Diamondbacks, Ryal fouled the next pitch off and managed whiff at strike three, ending the inning and stranding two runners.

The real fun, though, began in the bottom of the first. The Petit Unit started the game by walking leadoff man Carlos Gonzalez on four pitches, then getting ahead on the next batter, Seth Smith, 0-2. Smith, however, would have none of it, taking the next slider for a ball and taking the next pitch he saw into the right field stands, giving Colorado a 2-0 lead. But hey, why stop there? After falling behind Giami 3-0, Petit got him to ground out to first and struck out Troy Toolowitzki looking (the lone highlight of the first inning) on a fastball that may have been a bit low. Looks like the USS Petit has been righted, right? No, not really. Yusmeiro walked Brad Hawpe on five pitches, bringing up Ian Stewart, he of the 21 home runs, and after seeing a fastball down the gut, he of the 22. After a Torrealba strike out, Petit finished the inning, giving up a very Petit-esque four runs on two dingers.

The second inning went much quicker, and had a very promising sign for Arizona. Since returning the Majors, Chris Young had been 1-17 (a .058 BA) in five games back. In the previous two games against Colorado, Young had gone 3-8 (which is still a clear improvement) and began today's game by sending a full-count fastball over the left field fence for his eighth homer of the year. Could CY be turning the corner? Only time will tell, but we can only hope. In the bottom hall of the inning, Petit struck out the side, but not before allowing a two-out single to CarGo. Maybe the USS Petit had righted its path *this* time…

The Diamondbacks had a relatively quiet third inning that was marked by not something that happened, but rather by something that didn't happen. Upton smashed a two-out fastball to  the deepest part in left-center, a ball that could have very well left the park if it had a little more on it. Regardless, it was an easy extra-base hit… if Upton ran. Assuming that he had secured his 23rd shot of the year, Upton jogged towards first. Immediately after realizing the ball had, in fact, stayed in the park, he very carelessly jogged back to first. No thought at even stretching it into a double, a clearly disappointed Justin took a guaranteed double and made it into a single due to a simple lack of effort. He was stranded by a Reynolds K, and AJ made it clear that no player, regardless of talent, can give a half-hearted effort for Arizona and expect to play. Alex Romero subbed in right and Upton was pulled.

Petit continued to do terrible, walking two and allowing a two-run double by Yorvit Torrealba., bringing the Rockies lead to 6-1. He finished what would be his last inning with a very Petit-worthy 3IP, 4H, 4BB, a surprising 6K's, all with the cherry on top of 2HR. One would begin to wonder how much longer he'll be starting for this team, regardless of our position in the division. Even hovering around 20 games back, we'd like to stay competitive, and even if we can't, at least give some of our other hurlers some playing time.

The fourth was quiet for Arizona and began the onslaught of pitchers; Mulvey came in for only his second appearance as a Diamondback and promptly gave up a shot to CarGo. The rest of the inning went smoothly, however, as Mulvey is still learning the ropes. Colorado managed to walk the bases loaded, but true Diamondbacks fans would know that it doesn't mean anything, as Ryal grounded out to second on a FC to show that we don't know how to hit with RISP. Mulvey pitched through the next inning much better, allowing only a walk in its duration.

The main highlight of the sixth was Young's second homer of the day, this time off of Juan Rincon. Yes, Chris Young, he of the sub-.200 batting average, managed to bring himself up to 2-2 on the day with two jacks, a very promising sign that could show that, hey, maybe that contract may be worth it at some point. Aside from that, the inning was quiet, and Stink Jr. came in to pitch the sixth, something he did very respectably, setting down the side with only a walk against him. Two more Diamondbacks walked in the seventh, but Brandon Allen pinch-hit for Ryal and K'd, yet again, stranding runners at first and second.

Daniel Cabrera appeared for his first time as a Diamondback, replacing Mulvey to face the middle of the order. To make it clear, I'll just let the p-b-p summarize it: walk, walk, RBI double, single, HBP. Quite deservingly, Cabrera was yanked and Rosales entered the game, who let Official Snake-Murderer Seth Smith bomb one into right for two runs, then allowing Omar Quintanilla, pinch-hitting for Toolo, to nab a ground-rule double. CarGo and Hawpe flew out to stop the bleeding, but regardless, Colorado batted around, and we trailed 13-2.

Who cares, though? Mark Reynolds eHero-in-Training Chris Young promptly began the eighth with … yes, another home run. At that point, he was 3-3 with 3HR on the day, scoring all of Arizona'a runs. The rest of the order went down, but you really just have to look for bright spots at this point. CY's tenth jack of the year. Stat courtesy of Jim, CY matched his home run total from the previous three months and 202 plate appearances since June 6th. After Tracy was hit and took second, RyRo managed to actually get a hit with RISP, which is no small feat for these Diamondbacks. EB struck out to end the inning, going 0-3 on the day with two walks, a flyout, a groundout, and a K. The bottom half was fairly silent, after Rosales gave up a single, double play, single, and eventually a flyout to Ianetta. The ninth trudged on, with Young due up fourth… Romero flew out, but The Sheriff decided to send #41 into the outfield, allowing CY to bat. In a very drama-laden at bat, Young took a 3-2 pitch inside to get on for the fifth time, finishing his day. Hester promptly K'd, ending the game.

A very, very strange game overall; a combined 20 walks between the two teams and our bullpen finishing with 5IP, 13ER, 6BB, and all of 3K's- that's an ERA of 23.4, and Cabrera, managing to give up 5ER without getting an out, took second in Arizona history for the worst relief appearance… ever. Mark hit #41. Most importantly, though, was Chris Young's fantastic return. As I said earlier, he began 1-17 since returning from AAA; in the first two games against Colorado, he went 3-8; however, he had a career game today, going 3-3 with 3HR and 2 walks, managing to reach base all five times he was up. It definitely makes one think that his time is now and that he may in fact return to the CY of old with many improvements. We can only hope. We went 1-8 with RISP, continuing our terrible streak, but the bats aren't to blame tonight.

 

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[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Chris Young, +10.0%
God-emperor of suck: Yusmeiro Petit, -34.4%


A fairly active (and seemingly flame-riddled) GDT, with who-else-but-'Skins, the only one to break triple digits, followed by SaveUsY2J, friendly visiting fan RockiesMagicNumber, and 'Charmer. Total roll call included SaveUsY2J, pygalgia, kishi, snakecharmer, Jim McLennan, hotclaws, njjohn, unnamedDBacksfan, RockiesMagicNumber, DbacksSkins, ELGee, 4 Corners Fan, Clefo, Diamondhacks, eel, Wailord, edbigghead, katers, NASCARbernet, and txzona; nearly 620 comments were tallied. You guys can bet that I'd be up there, had I not been posed with the task of taking a game with so many things to be talked about and keep it below 100,000 words. Definitely had fun writing this extremely-long recap, and hope to do it in the future sometimes… most attention I've paid to any baseball game in a long while. We begin a three-game set with the Dodgers tomorrow with the most intriguing matchup of the three being the finale: Garland vs Haren. With that, I'm off to do some shopping. I appreciate the opportunity to do this, Jim & Co., and while it may not be up to normal standards (I gotta get this pithiness thing down), I still enjoyed it all. See you all there (well, here)!

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Go me

Mis-copying the title.

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Fixed that

Before I promoted it. :-) Dinner is looming for me, but feel sure someone will add the graph and a full roll-call before too long.

Nice work.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 6, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was

just about to post here. Editing, done in a few moments.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And done.

:-)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thaaaaank you!

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There're some structural differences

between this recap and the ones that are actually authored as stories(Notably, the AP photo widget isn’t present in the “Edit FanPost” screen, so I worked around it).

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tidied that up a bit

But appreciate the effort.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Formatting was a little off, especially down by the FanGraph.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The caption

turned out to appear quite odd, as well.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

First...

I copied the 4-1 score from yesterday… then, I put 13-4 Dbacks. Then I put 13-4 Rockies. Then someone fixed it because I seem to block out Reynaldo’s home run. D:

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hereby move that we reinstate AZBOMBERS for the next 24 hours only to reban him b/f the next game. Clear the correlative effect for CY was huge.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Sep 6, 2009 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

How on earth

Does CY only have +10% WPa? Makes no sense… what did he do wrong? He had a 5.000OPS for the game. Obviously the numbers are incredibly skewed, but… yeah. Is it because it was such a blowout?

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Because

by the time they got to his spot in the order, the Dbacks were already 4-0 down.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's too bad

I originally wrote “best game in his career” in the main article, but I was afraid some stat guy was gonna be like DOOD LOL HE WENT 5-5 WITH FIVE GRAND SLAMS ON x/x/xx (exaggeration, obviously) and make me look dumb. </3

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this also

shows the folly of grading somebody’s game using WPA. It’s ENTIRELY dependent on whatever else is happening/has happened in the game.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote

That we have a SnakePit Scale of Awesome. Pic incoming.

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support

this idea.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wailord

Nicely written, nicely done.

by NASCARbernet on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

<3

Thanks.

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a recap, not a dissertation

condense your thoughts

In what seems to be only fitting for a Diamondbacks blog, I was seemingly called up to guest recap (alright, so I offered- big deal) and I can surely say that I own the title for the youngest recapper evar. Any criticism will be met with that as an excuse, so please, be prepared. Anyway, I’ll get on to the recap of a game that was definitely forgettable (in multiple ways), but showed promise for a certain sub-Mendozan centerfielder… details after the jump (oh, I feel so cool typing that!)…

Another Petit start, another game lost earlier than it should have been. On days in which he pitches, it’s really sort of a flip of a coin; you’re either going to see a nice, quality start, or a start that makes you wonder why he continues to pitch every fifth day. This, quite clearly, was the latter. as Petit turned in an outing that was obviously done to make up for the previous un-Petitish three that he has thrown. It seems every inning had something that needs to be recounted, so excuse me for that I used.

I will give him credit when it’s due. Yusmeiro was nice enough to meltdown earlier in the game, so as to allow me to get started on this recap earlier in the game and not be so focused on such a close game. The game began pretty well for Arizona, despite not getting a hit- after a leadoff popup by RyRo, Byrnes walked and later stole after an Upton flyout. Mark then walked, bringing up Rusty Ryal with runners on first and second. De La Rosa delivered a pitch that got by Rockies catcher Ian Stewart, advancing both Byrnsie and Mark- of course, being the Diamondbacks, Ryal fouled the next pitch off and managed whiff at strike three, ending the inning and stranding two runners.

The real fun, though, began in the bottom of the first. The Petit Unit started the game by walked leadoff man Carlos Gonzalez on four pitches, then getting ahead on the next batter, Seth Smith, 0-2. Smith, however, would have none of it, taking the next slider for a ball and taking the next took a pitch he saw into the right field stands, giving Colorado a 2-0 lead. But hey, why stop there? After falling behind Giami 3-0, Petit got him to ground out to first and struck out Troy Toolowitzki looking (the lone highlight of the first inning) on a fastball that may have been a bit low. Looks like the USS Petit has been righted, right? No, not really. Yusmeiro walked Brad Hawpe on five pitches, bringing up Ian Stewart, who homered. he of the 21 home runs, and after seeing a fastball down the gut, he of the 22. After a Torrealba strike out, Petit finished the inning, giving up a very Petit-esque four runs on two dingers.

The second inning went much quicker, and had a very promising sign for Arizona. Since returning the Majors, Chris Young had been 1-17 (a .058 BA) in five games back. In the previous two games against Colorado, Young had gone 3-8 (which is still a clear improvement) and began today’s game by sending a full-count fastball over the left field fence for his eighth homer of the year. Could CY be turning the corner? Only time will tell, but we can only hope. In the bottom hall of the inning, Petit struck out the side, but not before allowing a two-out single to CarGo. Maybe the USS Petit had righted its path this time…

…and so on

cheers!

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What..?

He said “cheers”! That dampens the blow…

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his defense

It was pretty long. Originally, it highlighted some not-so-important stuffs and I had to remove those so it wasn’t mind-blowingly long. Typically the format is to go over important parts chronologically, but I couldn’t find a way to mention Petit, the bullpen, and Upton’s pulling without going through it. I’m sure he’ll be nice enough to respond… but don’t worry, it’s rhetorical. ;P

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah

But where’s the smiley face emoticon?

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Sep 6, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

^.^

^^;

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

if Wailord wants to be an effective writer(my assumption), showering him with false praise doesnt do him any favors, imo.

I’m fully aware he’s fifteen, and in that regard, it’s not bad. On the other hand, it needs work. Significant work. I’m providing specific feedback to help him write better and wish him the best

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all good

I don’t mind. Perfectly aware that my recapulatory skills aren’t up to Pit standards, and you weren’t entirely rude…. there are worst things you could have said. D:

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

... worse

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understand

my abrupt tone was as much a response to the well-intentioned praise as it was to what you actually wrote. So, sorry for crashing it down on you initially. I had prepped a gentler critique before everyone started kissing your ass.

You have the important stuff. enthusiasm, you’re smart, you’re out there writing. you’re also reflective and self-critical, (ie you mentioned the pithiness thing), which is a writer’s best friend and will keep a-holes like me off your back.

cheers

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 6, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I had prepped a gentler critique before everyone started kissing your ass."

Ah. So, there you have it, folks, from the horse’s mouth. As many of us have suspected all along, ’Hacks does change his opinions – or, at least, how he expresses them – in order to go against whatever opinions get expressed here.

I hardly think two (2) people saying “Nice” quite qualifies as “everyone started kissing your ass,” but such hyperbole is par for the ’Hacks course.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really

I don’t think there’s a negative tone flowing here. He was trying to help because it was the first recap that Wailord had done and he, like all of us, is aware that Wailord (like myself me – joke intended against all athletes who refer to themselves as “myself”) is learning as a writer. I’m a math major and writing certainly is not my cup of tea, so it’s not as if my writing is perfect. I can see how such things are helpful.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think crossing out close to half the article

Was unnecessarily brutal. Saying “condense your thoughts,” maybe providing a sample paragraph in illustration – that’d have been a better approach. This isn’t an English composition class, after all.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

too kind

I did go overboard with the negativity, or at least projected some of it inapprpriately. But I appreciate your support…or at least seeing part of where I’m coming from….thx

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 7, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's some feedback...

Quit saying “imo.”

OK? We know that it’s your opinion. You’re the one saying it. It’s a statement coming directly from you. I’m pretty sure that no one would be wondering whether or not it was your opinion if you didn’t include it. Easy enough, right? Let me show you the revised version:

if Wailord wants to be an effective writer(my assumption), showering him with false praise doesnt do him any favors, imo.

There you go.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Sep 7, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya

This is in line with your criticism from the other night. It’s that softening qualifier you dont like. The one that fools easily led dweebs into thinking maybe I’m a “nice guy” ;-)

I guess the dilemma I have is that if I dont use it, I’m criticized for being too declarative, too harsh. Which you feel is more, what, “honest” maybe? I understand the grammatical argument. The no grammatical purpose of ‘imo’. But I guess my question to you is “Is that really what’s bugging you?”

I dont think it’s the grammar that’s bugging you. I think it’s more this political aspect, that I’m somehow expressing something that’s , I dont know, “insincere”? I’m not sure I buy that, but if that’s where you’re at and care to flesh it out some, I’d certainly consider your opinion/critique respectfully. I want to write effectively, and maybe I’ll learn something. Maybe you will too.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 7, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's really only

A pet peeve (I hate using that phrase). I only brought it to your attention because I’ve seen you use it on more than one occasion. It ranks high on the annoying acronym list along with the likes of IMHO, FTW, and all variations of LOL.

Acronyms should only be used as a nifty way to remember long names that you need to use on history tests. Take NATO for example.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with our previous disagreement. It’s just something that makes my blood boil slightly.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Sep 8, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must

REALLY hate the intarwebz then. ;-P

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

FTW!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 8, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you guys.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Sep 8, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

Is FTW.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 8, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a non-gamer, I’ve got to say, FTW usage is the most elusive to me (though I understand the way you used it here, ’Skins).

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve picked up usage of FTW entirely second-hand- I never play the games it’s used in, but enough of the people I talk to online do, so it’s part of the vocabulary now.

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't even know

it actually came from gaming.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 8, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the people I picked it up from

Picked it up from World of Warcraft.

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even I

Have ever dared to venture to WoW.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither...

I think it predates WoW, though.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knock it off.

The kid did a good job for his very first recap. Don’t go through it and line out what YOU would not have written. Entirely RUDE. He didn’t ask you to edit it.

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 6, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

On one hand,

you’re right that some of the graphs certainly run long and could be condensed.

On the other, you’ve taken out any voice he had whatsoever and turned this into a shell of an AP recap.

So…I’m torn.

by Azreous on Sep 6, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx for the feedback

I respectfully disagree on the latter point. Look at the first paragraph. His voice is all over that. Two cute little jokes. I dont feel I took out “any voice he had whatsoever” and that wasnt my intent.

I diminshed his voice (and a bunch of other stuff) later in the piece and am more open to your criticism there. I sort of got numbed by the whole exercise, at some point.

Two big points:
1. My edits are in no way definitive. They’re suggestions, to help a writer see things a different way, maybe see things a third way that’s better than what either of us put down.
2. Voice is good. Wailord’s voice is good. Frankly, I wish there was more voice on sites like this, and less of the insecure blandness.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could engage

in a back-and-forth with this that would take us over to the right hand margin (an opportunity several others have been afforded, yet I’ve missed out on), but to be honest I don’t think there’s that much here we disagree on. Just a couple points:

1) Generally, no edits are definitive, unless they come after a writer has signed off on a piece (i.e., an editor changing something just before a paper goes to press). But saying in no uncertain terms to “condense your thoughts” and then crossing out entire chunks of text doesn’t leave an awful lot of room for interpretation. That said, now that you’ve clarified your intent in subsequent posts, this isn’t as big of an issue.
2) You’re right that my charge of removing “any voice whatsoever” is off base. Hyperbole, if you will. However, nothing after that initial paragraph makes the cut, which seems a little extreme regardless of the graphs being so long.
3) I can identify with the numbness of editing, believe me. There have been times when I’ve wondered how someone expects to have a career in the journalism field when their writing is so poor.

Wailord, the honest criticism I can give you on this is that it does get wordy at times, which you’ve acknowledged already. Diamondhacks is right about you having a strong voice — if you can drive home your point as succinctly as possible, you’ve got a ton of potential as a writer.

by Azreous on Sep 6, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the kind words from both of you

I’ve always been a writer of sorts, especially online, but never for anything sports-related. ’Swhy I hope I get another opportunity. Constructive criticism >>>> “u suk”

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 6, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps this is too harsh, and please don't take this the wrong way

and now that the obligatory statements are out of the way…

your edits are horrible

let’s take a look at one of your paragraphs post-correction: “The real fun, though, began in the bottom of the first. The Petit Unit walked leadoff man Carlos Gonzalez on four pitches, then Seth Smith took a pitch into the right field stands. Petit got [Giami] to ground out to first and struck out Troy Toolowitzki looking on a fastball that may have been a bit low. Yusmeiro walked Brad Hawpe, bringing up Ian Stewart, who homered.”

as i began reading the edits in this paragraph, i thought for a second there was a chance that i might see improvement in your editing technique….alas, that hope was quickly dashed. despite making the correct decision not to scratch out a single part of the first sentence, you managed to delete every single humorous aspect of the paragraph that was meant to support the sense of irony the first sentence established….which brings up the question of why you even bothered to keep the first sentence in the first place? the key to good writing in english is logical consistency, in both the grammatical flow of the sentences, and the stylistic voice of the author

however, since i am assuming this is the first time you’ve tried to edit someone else’s writing, it’s not bad. it just needs work….significant work.

if you ever need training, feel free to ask me for help. since we are both from arizona, i’ll give you a discount and only charge an editing consulting fee of $100/hr

i wish you the best

cheers!

by mfan2010 on Sep 7, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely LOL'd at this.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you can translate

pedantic generalities into meaningful edits, by all means go for it. I said if there’s a third version better than mine, I’m all for that.
That is, if you’re interested in helping the kid?

If you’re just here to make me look foolish, well, let me return the favor :-)

you managed to delete every single humorous aspect of the paragraph that was meant to support the sense of irony the first sentence established.

I guess the kindest thing I can say here is your senses of humor and irony both need to be taken out for a walk. Which is surprising, because they’re both quite evident in your overall piece. But here, I left plenty of humor and irony in and am amused you dont seem to be able to find it. Either that or you are frightfully unversed in the Swaying and Powerful Emotions of Base Ball.

There’s more, but in the interest of time (and ya know, people), I’ll stop there :-)

cheerio

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Sep 7, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

As my boy sergey would say

too long, did not read. :-)

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 6, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

P.S.

revealing the score pretty much kills the enthusiasm to read it. Maybe next time you should recap the whole game and then leave a blank spot for people to write in the score they’d prefer. The DBacks record would be a lot better if we did it that way.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 6, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

...


…that being said, how do YOU guys think the game ended? Leave it in the comments, and the closest commenter will get a SPECIAL mention in a future GDT!

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

In AJ-world we just squeaked out a 7-6 win in extra innings with Byung-Hun Kim getting the save.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 6, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

Choose your own Dbacks adventure!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got the hang of it!

To swing at the 3-0 pitch, turn to page 47.
To take the 3-0 pitch, turn to page 89.

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh....

why do I have the feeling that I’m going to pop up with a runner on 3rd and 2 outs?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I

the Eric Byrnes of the Snakepit?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

fan favorite yet chronic screw up?

I’ll let the masses decide.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or as these newfangled internet children say

tl;dr

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note..

My suggestion for what to replace “Johnson vs Garland” with would be Lincecum vs. Haren…

Lincecum: 13-5, ERA+ 184 DL
Haren: 13-8, ERA+ 162
However, dunno if you want to prominently display that… maybe add WHIP?

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Scratch the DL

Copied it from the sidebar.

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tuh-oh, guys

The Pads are up 4-1 against LA… if they win, we’re tied for the cellar (but I think we technically have the tiebreaker)…

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by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

at this point I don't care

if you aren’t making the playoffs, draft picks are draft picks. Would I like to see us win? You bet! Am I heartbroken if we lose? Not really.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 6, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad we didn't COMPLETELY suck

Then we could get Bryce Harper. Funny to think that he’s not even a year older than me and he’s already so hyped. I believe I saw him play, too, when I was helping out with a local high school baseball team.

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think for younger sports fans,

that feeling gets stranger as they get older, and more stars in the professional leagues are about their age. For me, thinking that Lebron James is a couple months older than I am is always bizarre (you know, that he can be so good while I struggle to put up points in pick-up games at the rec center).

by Azreous on Sep 6, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s strange to me that most of the DBacks starting lineup is younger than me…

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Sep 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

how I can’t get a ball out of the infield during softball practice? :P

I wonder how much of it is natural talent and how much is dedication.

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So much has to be natural talent,

which then is improved by dedication and practice. If one doesn’t have the talent, dedication isn’t going to improve on that.

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Azreous says,

the athlete who really gets me thinking is LeBron James. I remember when I was a freshman in college, and my roommate mentioned something to the effect of: “Just think about it. LeBron James is the exact same age as us, and he’s a multi-millionaire and an NBA star.”

Of course, now I’m getting to the point where I can compare myself to MLB players.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey,

as bad as this season’s gone in some ways, we may as well win last place while we’re at it.

by Azreous on Sep 6, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

:(

It’s too bad. The game had so much to be happy about, but still managed to have an equal share of things to be disappointed about. This guy that we just grabbed and developed in AAA proved to be terrible (it could just be a terrible start, and likely is… he did the same thing in Reno), the Petit Unit continues to be the worst starter in baseball, but CY belts 3 and Reynolds blasts #41…

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 6, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just like to say

That it would be REALLY awesome if someone could lock this thread… It’s no longer about what Wailord wrote, which is a shame.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree.

There’s plenty here about what Wailord wrote, and about the game. The thread hasn’t turned into THAT much of a flame war.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did remove one comment

Which was over the line and completely off-topic, and will not hesitate to do so again.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

I must have missed what IHSB was referring to, then.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I

didn’t get to see it. Didn’t expect so much controversy… knew it would be longer than usual, but didn’t know people would take it so rough. D:

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

considering who the poster in question was, I don’t think it was directed at you.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The world

may never know… oh, well. I briefly considered striking half of tonight’s recap as a joke, but fuel + fire = D: …

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute...

Was that mine? Either it was or it was an earlier one that took mine with it in a domino effect. If so, crimey, I was just remarking on you two’s constant quarreling and how it really gets old. It wasn’t precisely off-topic since it relates to you two debating what is mostly semantics with respect to interpretations of ‘Hacks’ intentions in editing Wailord’s work. He went over the line, apologized, but had good intentions from the beginning. It may not have come across properly, but can we really fault him for that, especially since he was the first to apologize for it when his slight harshness was pointed out to him?

If my comment was removed because it was a reply to another’s comment, then that’s fine, and I hope it was necessary and productive. I’ve always respected what goes down on these comment threads, but it’s not always perfect and I feel that we should always strive for perfection.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The latter

If you delete a comment, replies to it go as well, which kinda makes sense [be bizarre to see replies dangling in mid-thread] even if it takes some perfectly innocent comments with it.

Unfortunately, we’ve had to institute a zero-tolerance policy for ‘Hacks getting off-issue and heading towards the personal side of things. This wasn’t a particularly bad case here, but there have just been far too many to go down that path again. Nothing good would come of it.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The "disappearing comment" aspect

is why I prefer hiding. That way, there’s at least a record of what was said.

For some reason, I was thinking replies simply showed up as standalone comments further down the thread, but that must be if the replies are posted after the comment’s been deleted.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I personally am a fan of hiding it

therefore you can still pick out the culprit of who said something outrageous enough for it to be hidden. At least then there is some accountability if that exist on the internet. Plus I’m always really curious what was said if I missed it. You can piece things together from a hidden comment.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note,

I’m still baffled that Young hit three home runs. I was watching the game at the office with a couple other people and we just couldn’t think of anything to say after the third one other than “CHRIS YOUNG?!”

His OPS+ went from 63 to 73 in one day.

by Azreous on Sep 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

And the game before

He went 2-4, then 1-4 the night before… I can only hope that the Rockies/Coors having nothing to do with it. If anything, you know his confidence is at an all-time high, and that’s big for a ballplayer.

Warning: the above represents the thoughts and opinions of a 15-year-old.

by Wailord on Sep 7, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coors Field is the explanation

The reason we shouldn’t be excited about his performance in the last 3 games is the same reason Helton won’t get into the Hall of Fame.

In play, out(s)

by dima1109 on Sep 7, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOLCORZ!!!!!

Post-humidor, Coors isn’t the Coors of the 1990s. In fact, Chase has higher park factors this season than Coors, IIRC.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

That Chase is one of the highest in the league.

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by Wailord on Sep 7, 2009 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

100.

Sorry, just thought Wailord’s recap was good enough to have 100 comments.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

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