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Chris Young - where from here?

The positive hype over Chris Young started virtually the day of the trade with the White Sox and included comments like perennial All-Star and so on. As of a couple years ago, he looked like his ceiling might be someone like Jim Edmonds and he likely was going to at least be a 10-15 year regular who made a few AS teams. Um, now it doesn't look quite so rosy.

I previously wrote a post about Mark Reynolds and players who hit 40 HR at age 25 or younger - if you'll recall it was a VERY impressive list indicating that Reynolds is probably headed toward being a legitimate star. I thought I might try a similar analysis to Chris Young to what players who have had similar seasons at a similar age have done in the past.

More after the jump.

Star-divide

Using b-ref's Play INdex I started with a search for all players who had played from ages 24-26 who had played half their games in CF and had 400 PAs and an OPS+ under 90 and there were a TON of hits. The problem with that list is it is heavily populated with speedsters whose lone major league asset is or was speed - guys like Willy Taveras and Joey Gathright and Brian Hunter and Tom Goodwin. None of those guys are potential 30 HR guys like Young is and frankly many of them probably never should have been in the bigs for very long, if at all. So I narrowed the list to guys who had at least 8 HRs in those seasons to get guys who were more than just fast. Here's the list since 1978 (the list went back further but was similarly uninspiring so I stopped at 1978 for brevity's sake):

Wow, not a very inspiring list there. There are a couple decent names on there but right now it looks like Mike Cameron might be the best we can hope for although Devon White is probably a closer comp to CY (good glove, some power & speed, lots of Ks although he never walked as much as CY). McReynolds had a nice run after that but mostly as a corner OF and not a CF.

So, I'm not sure what that means but it does seem certain that CY is headed toward a much more average career than it seemed 2 years ago. As a DBacks fan, I really hope he turns it around and has a more Mike Cameron career than a Ruben Rivera career. . . .

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I once saw Young yell @ Upton for not diving for a ball. For that, I will always respect Young.

Good Post btw

I laugh until my head comes off.

by edbigghead on Sep 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Quite a list!

This list seems to suggest that if the D’backs can find someone who is willing to take a chance on CY being Mike Cameron instead of Corey Patterson they should trade him. Given the number of outfield candidates and the amount of CY’s contract , Parra could do just fine.

by dbacks watcher on Sep 17, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry but

I remain not sold on Parra. His numbers are not that much better than CY’s really (735 OPS vs Cy’s 707 and climbing) and in the field there is just no comparison, CY is superior. I’ll cut Parra some slack since he IS only 22 which is really young to be in the bigs (and means improvement is likely) but he either needs to learn to take more pitches ( do you suppose he wakes up in a cold sweat with nightmares of letting a high pitch go by?) or become some crazy out of the zone contact hitter like Pablo Sandoval.

The problem with trading CY right now is you’d be trading low on him. You could probably get more by waiting until next year when hopefully he does a little better. I could be wrong but right now, with his contract, he’s not worth a whole heck of a lot I would guess.
JMO

by golfmanthee on Sep 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parra

never showed a particular propensity towards power in the minors. His ceiling is a high-OBP guy who can maybe hit some homers thanks to playing at Chase as his home field. He’ll hopefully be able to send RHP all over the park, but we won’t know for sure if he’ll be able to take a few more walks.

However, this IS his first season in the majors.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My problem with Parra right now

Is a complete inability to hit left-handed pitching – his OPS is .474 against them, in over a hundred PAs. Now, he may develop this as he goes forward, but at the moment, we need someone who isn’t a total black-hole there – either in addition to, or as well as, Parra.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

SInce you brought up splits. . . .

Parra also has crazy splits with nobody on (606 OPS) and men on (895 OPS). League averages are 729 bases empty and 756 with men on. UNless he’s the new Ryan Howard (career 885 v 1026 and a ridiculous 723 v 1044 last year), those numbers scream out fluky to me.

by golfmanthee on Sep 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

CY's probable ceiling has always BEEN Mike Cameron.

This isn’t exactly news, and frankly, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if that’s where he ended up — a CF who plays good defense with some speed and some power, but doesn’t get on base a whole lot.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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Respectfully disagree. For one, see this piece: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=silver/060418

“In Baseball Prospectus 2006, we made the bold claim that Young could turn out to become the White Sox’ answer to Jeff Bagwell — how’d they let that guy go? A .922 minor league OPS last season, impressive enough on its own, becomes all the more frightening once you consider that it came at Double-A Birmingham, one of the toughest hitting environments in the minor leagues. Young’s only outstanding weakness is a propensity to strike out on tough breaking stuff, but he’s Mike Cameron if he doesn’t adjust — and could show us what a healthy Eric Davis would have done if he does adjust.”

BP, a very respected group of analysts, thought that CY’s FLOOR was Cameron.

I’m sure I can find at least a few other pieces like this one – CY was rated much higher than you are giving him credit for.

by golfmanthee on Sep 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Cameron

has been the comparison I’ve heard ever since he made his rookie debut in 2007, so I can’t speak for BP in 2006.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 17, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, and this is just me being nitpicky,

“wherefore” means “why”, not “where”…. in R&J, after meeting Romeo, Juliet asks “Wherefore art thou Romeo?” She’s not asking where ARE you, she’s asking why did you have to be a Montague.

/7th grade English (Sorry)

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 17, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just going to post that.

Oh, we are such nitpickers.

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edited

To save further punishment. :-)

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Sep 17, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or red pens.

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 17, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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