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We say it because AJ Hinch can't: Jerry Crawford is a grade-A ass who should be suspended

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Thanks to TAP for the framegrab. Note: ball (circled) and runner's foot on first.

We turned our top-quality team of lip-readers on the confrontation between AJ Hinch and first-base umpire Jerry Crawford last night. Here are their surprising findings.

"Jerry, you got that call wrong and you know it, don't you?"
"Yeah, AJ, you got me. Unfortunately, umpires are like the Pope. We have to maintain the illusion of infallibility. Anything I can do to help make up for it?"
"Well, actually, I've been trying to get thrown out of a game for a bit - become a 'real' manager - but I haven't been able to do it somehow. Would you oblige?"
"Oh, sure - it'd be my pleasure. Can you just yell something insulting at me?"
"No problem. YOUR MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR FATHER SMELT OF ELDERBERRIES!"
"Ah, Python fan, eh? Well... YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!"

Who knew? Who knew? More after the jump, including why Crawford just turned me into a firm believer of expanding instant-replay.

Star-divide

Let's start with some post-game comments from Hinch - funnily enough, anything from Crawford was nowhere to be found on the record.

It was a close play to lead off the inning and obviously I disagreed with the call and the subsequent reaction was not right either. I still feel like I was right... I would be very disappointed if any umpire carried something over. He's got a lot of tenure in this league and I expect his best effort.

Yeah, good luck with that, AJ. We saw Crawford's best effort last night, and it was woefully inadequate. Baseball umpires get the vast majority of calls right, probably more so than most pro sports officials - though it has to be said, their job is a relatively easy one, compared to, say, the NFL, where 22 players are running in different directions simultaneously, each of whom could potentially be committing an infraction. But this wasn't even a call that required any kind of instant replay, or to be seen from multiple angles. I'm not exaggerating when I tell you that the moment it happened, I yelled "He was safe!" at the TV - it was that obvious.

Ok: no-one is infallible. These things do happen. However, the problem is that Crawford took exception to the error being noticed by Hinch. A manager of half a season's experience? How dare he talk to a 33-year veteran like that? Don't you know he was the president of the umpire's association during their glorious 1999 strike? Er...never mind. So Crawford's reaction was more like an opera diva's - "These things do happen? Until you stop these things from happening, this thing does not happen! Ubaldo! Andiamo! Bring my doggy and my boxy!" It was a temper tantrum more befitting of a three-year old than one of the most experienced officials in the game.

Will MLB do anything? I mean, if one of my co-workers - whether my boss or not - went off on me in anything like the same way, I would certainly expect HR to to take action. But this is baseball, so the odds are probably Crawford will get away with his unacceptable histrionics. However, there is precedent. Remember when Mike Winters got in a spat with Milton Bradley, when he was with the Padres? And Bradley ended up getting wrestled to the ground by his own manager, in the process suffering a season-ending injury? Winters ended up getting suspended for the rest of the year, "because the commissioner's office concluded he had used a profanity aimed at Bradley."

It doesn't take a master lip-reader to conclude Crawford used an entire barrel's worth of profanity - not just at Hinch but, it appears, the Diamondbacks dugout and, in particular, Dan Haren. Admittedly, it does not appear that Haren was keeping his responses to the PG-rating level either, so maybe it's best that bad language alone doesn't merit a suspension [from what I recall, the word Winters allegedly hurled at Bradley started with an n, which moves things to a whole 'nother level].

The key question will be whether that exchange has any impact on the game tonight - which features Haren on the mound, and Crawford behind home-plate. I wonder if it might be politic for the umpires to quietly re-arrange the schedule so Crawford works tomorrow instead, though again, this would be acknowledging there is at least the potential for a problem, so I doubt they would be so sensitive. If he does call the balls and strikes, I know Arizona fans will be carefully monitoring things to see whether he does hold a grudge [and I'll be reviewing the pitch/Fx data on Sunday!]. I certainly hope it's not the case - but then, I've never seen an umpire apparently infected by rabies in quite the same way...

The entire matter would have been defused had there been instant replay available. Hinch would have challenged it, and the call would have been reversed, with little or no debate. Frankly, I don't see why they restrict its use to home-runs. The most important thing is to get the call right, and if it takes a couple of extra minutes to do so, I don't have a problem with that [it's baseball, after all, the most timeless of all sports]. Perhaps we can use the official scorer as a "replay umpire", with a connection to the crew chief. When an obviously-blown call happens - and they don't get much worse than the 15 feet between the ball and first-base shown in the screen-grab - then the scorer alerts the chief and the play gets reviewed.

For losing is one thing. But losing because of a mistake by an official is a great deal worse, and every step possible should be taken to avoid that. The current failure to do so is a dis-service to the players, and reflects badly on the umpires as well as the game in general.

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When was the last time an ump was suspended because of a blown call?

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by dima1109 on Aug 8, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's the call that I find objectionable

Bad though it was. It was his actions during the argument which were so awful. And there is precedent for sanctions based on that – I’m discussing it in full in the expanded version, but here’s a clue: Milton Bradley.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Aug 8, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

I’m for instant replay for all plays or even controversial plays like that, but the way Crawford acted is what makes me angry. Yes, throw the manager out. Sure, stand by your call (as bad as it was). But when you start bumping up against a manager or player, and start screaming at the dugout, and actually go up to the dugout yelling “fuck this shit” then that’s when I lose respect.

I’d love it if the Diamondbacks’ fans have a long enough memory to really let him have it the next time this jerkoff umps in Chase Field.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m not a huge fan of the idea of instant replay either. If it were to be expanded, part of me would want it to be a challenge system like football or tennis or something - you get one or two to use on the most egregious out-of-position or just-plain-wrong calls, and that’s it. Even then, I hate the two or three-minute pauses that take place in the NFL for the review, so I dunno. I suppose it should stay the way it is.

The rest of your point is spot on.

by Azreous on Aug 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...Well.

Silly SBN formatting.

by Azreous on Aug 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh....

that gets me a lot, too.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only heard it on the radio

and I saw the Washington TV replay clip which honestly doesn’t look so bad to me (besides the terribly biased and smug Nats announcers.) It sounds like more happened after that clip which I did not see. Is there a better clip? I also don’t see the evidence of physical contact or bumping from that video.

by eel on Aug 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the clip

It’s hard to tell. I think they had some more side-on angles in the game, which actually showed the contact a lot more clearly.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Aug 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They also

cut it differently. The angles and unedited exchange was fairly infuriating for me.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's taunt and boo

until our throats are sore! Crawford’s behavior deserves some humiliation.

If Hinch said something that earned an ejection, then Crawford should have thrown him out and ended the discussion right there. Instead, he escalated the situation. Instead of letting Hinch leave the field, Crawford blocked his path. Instead of stepping back (or just holding his ground) he stepped into Hinch’s personal space. Instead of holding his tongue, he hurled obscenities (and a fair amount of spittle) into Hinch’s face. These are the actions of someone who wants to start a fight, not someone who wants to maintain control of the game.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

this next piece should be fun.

Federal Baseball’s take seems to be mixed. Neither the bad call nor the ejection is mentioned at all in the extensive game recap: “Trent Oeltjen grounds to short, Cristian Guzman slides as he fields it, jumps up and makes the throw to first, in time!!”

In the GDT there, it was a mixed reaction…

“Tell this punk-a$$ manager he has to earn the right to yell at Umps like that…”
vs.
“I think the manager saw that in real speed and knew. That guy was WAY safe. The ump may have been too close to get a good perspective”

Personally, I agree with Jim’s general consensus — the call isn’t that important to me, even though it potentially cost us the game. Those things happen countless times over the course of a 162-game season, and probably even out for the most part. But Crawford’s reaction was both complete bullshit and completely unsurprising, especailly considering brother Joey’s sublimely calm demeanor.

by Azreous on Aug 8, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poor Hinch

To us, he’s not a real manager until he gets tossed, but to them, he can’t yell like that and get tossed until he’s a real manager. You can’t win, AJ! =)

Tangentially, over the past few weeks, I do feel like this team is really starting to act and support each other like a team- two months ago, I’m not sure you’d have seen that much yelling out of the dugout over a call like this.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 8, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand

who is to say that the average Natinals fan knows what a real manager looks like anyways?

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The average Natinals fan

used to be the average Orioles fan. They’re not exactly new to baseball in that part of the country, even with a new franchise to cheer on. And say what you will about Acta or Riggleman, they DID used to have Frank Robinson as their manager.

How long have we had Major League Baseball in Arizona, again? Remind me?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow dude

calm down.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm calm.

I just didn’t like the smugness, and I would think that other fans would have more reason to say something like that about fans of an expansion team, like us.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

you’re the smugest dude here. And we can’t say jokes? It’s not like I was going over there and being like “hurf durf durf,” it’s in the relative comfort of the Snakepit. I guess I’ll fax over any future comments regarding other teams for your approval.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am ALLOWED to be smug, soco.

You should KNOW that by now. I have my OWN standards. I do what I want!

(Remember, I still have a special place in my heart for the DC area)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh....

and my fax # is 520-123-SMUG. I’ll leave the machine on.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the PLO will pay for this outrage

I laugh until my head comes off.

by edbigghead on Aug 8, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still

have no idea what this means

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I may...

I think Egg was making a mock funny by equating the blown call to an act of terrorism and was equating our collective wrath to that of an Israeli retalitory strike….

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 9, 2009 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erm....

yes, I get that part, but he says it everytime… and I think it’s more the first part than the second part.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the clip of hinch getting thrown out and...

it seemed almost like hinch was getting maliciously attacked by crawford alost as if he had a grudge against hinch. bu i dont have any real idea as to what was actually said.

by BattleMoses on Aug 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Hinch was tossed really quickly, and then Crawford started laying into him. If I didn’t know anything about the situation, I’d think that there was a lot of bad blood between them before the game- but with Hinch as a first-year manager, it makes no sense to me.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinch

was also a catcher though, not so long ago…. and like pitchers, catchers have relationships with umpires.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Isn’t this our second game in the past couple of weeks where we potentially lost due to a blown call by an umpire?

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know

it was a close game, but it might be a bit hyperbolic to say that we lost due to that blown call. “Potentially”? Well, there’s a lot of leeway there….

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the inning, though

If we assume things go the same way? Whitesell walks, Ojeda singles and Oeltjen might score from second on that hit. CY walks, and then Drew’s sac fly means we’re tied up with one out in the inning and two runners on. Sure, Romero’s hit might have been a GIDP, but we’d still have been tied.

Now, of course, we can’t necessarily assume it goes the same way, but a lead-off runner to start the inning gives us a lot of potential.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly true

that that might have been how it went, but I just think I would save a phrase like, “where we potentially lost due to a blown call” to situations that directly affect scoring — like, for example, Parra getting called out on a phantom miss on the plate.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

I’m just using the same policy they use for deciding unearned runs. =)

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh....

I refuse to follow that convention. Baseball scoring can be ****ing retarded sometimes.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And look who now springs to Crawford's defense

Link
There’s a shocker.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Aug 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's just humorous, really.

Scientists have discovered that Jesus did live, and also walked upon water. Evidence is suggesting that Peter asked him he would do for a Klondike Bar.

by IHateSouthBend on Aug 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

…the Mike Winters case?

THAT sad excuse called one shitty game at AT&T last night.
Do these guys have a watchdog organization to keep them in line?

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

They’re protected by MLB in various ways.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come to think of it,

the league DOES have an office that’s officially supposed to dole out justice to umpires. (The fact that this is even in question should tell you how often it happens)

In fact, the reason I’m even aware of it is because I remember reading some Padres fans whining at GLB a couple seasons ago about how the umpires hate the Padres because Sandy Alderson used to be THAT GUY in the league office.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is?

Has anyone actually checked the office to see if anyone actually works there anymore?

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not.

Like I said, he’s in the Padres FO now.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

It says something that looking through the MLB rules, I can find information on “non-standard elbow protection pad” fines, but nothing on dealing with regulating the umpires….

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC,

it’s literally called the “Office of Officiating” or something silly like that.

I’m not surprised that you won’t find it in the official rules. Seems to me to be one of those regulations on the side, that don’t necessarily directly affect the game on the field of play — almost like the difference between Constitutional Law and Statutory Law. (Even though they’re considered equal in weight)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I gotta say, the level of discourse ‘Hacks offers has dropped precipitously in the past weeks. It’s like he’s decided to embrace everything he ever accused Jim of doing.

But, reading through the thread, I gotta say B.O.N.D. puts it perfectly: “The main thing for me is that Hinch went out and fought for his player. And the players stepped-up for Hinch. That, to me, is golden.”

Exactly.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 8, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Now, it seems that they [Hinch and the players] are actually a team. Win or lose, it doesn’t matter – either way, they stick together. Anyone recall the players having Melvin’s back in a confrontation like that? Because I can’t.

Losing two games to the Nationals would have been a disaster earlier in the season, but I get the sense that we’re going to come out the end of the series a better outfit, regardless of the result.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Aug 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Hacks is right

in one thing, though. The players WERE giggling at Hinch earlier in the season when he went out to try and fight. I think he’s getting to the point where he’s earned their respect, now, no matter how awkward they felt at the way Hinch took BoMel(a guy they loved)’s job.

I can’t recall the players “having Melvin’s back in a confrontation like that”, but that’s really because I can’t recall BoMel being in very many confrontations like that.

I almost think Crawford did Hinch a favor in making such a shitty call and subsequently ejecting him and getting all up his ass.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The level of "discourse"

’Hacks offers has dropped precipitously and noticeably over the course of this season, I think, and to a lesser degree, over the past couple seasons. Prior to this year, I always just took him for a somewhat-intelligent but bitter grudge-holding Colangelo fan.

Now, I think he’s a somewhat-intelligent, somewhat-insane, somewhat-blinded-with-rage polemicist.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good article

I would have to agree. It will be completely sickening if Crawford screws over Haren and the dbacks on some calls. I think Haren is going to have a little edge tonight.. Could be an interesting night!

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 8, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

most umpires are able to specifically “screw over” certain players or teams, especially ones with as much experience as Crawford, because I think it’s mostly instinctual. That having been said, guys who make much slower calls — Tim McLelland, for example — might be more of a worry.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well maybe

Crawford and Hinch have a history from Hinch’s playing days, remember it’s not all that long ago he was on the field.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 8, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if this will be our "Dirty Dozen" moment

where the team really rallies together and starts playing as a team instead of a bunch of individuals looking at the stats and next year’s possible contracts. It was refreshing to see the manager out there in support of his players and equally so to see the players in the dugout having their manager’s back. Before there has always seemed to be an unspoken distance since AJ got the job, now it appears that he’s being fully embraced. Time for the truth to will out.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"What is your NAME, soldier?"

“NUMBER 8, SIR!”

“SHAVE that beard, soldier!”

“NO SIR!”

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm reading

the DBBP thread, and God, Jim, your view was not only accurate, but hilarious.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

entirely sure how comparing “effete AJ Hinch” to “my gay brother” is AT ALL analogous to a certain Mr. McLennan’s gender-neutral graphic description of a secks act. Yet, somehow Jim is the homophobic one?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

::shrug::

I don’t get it either.

I was referring to a certain Mr. McLennan’s gender-neutral graphic description of a secks act. :-)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 9, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assumed as much, and I agree.

Errr… my comment wasn’t DIRECTLY related.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone

have video of the ejection? I left during the middle of the game to take my cousin to a Toros game. (Incidentally, the Toros won 6-2, and Junior Spivey, playing LF, had 2 RBIs.)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oooh.

Caught it on Lameday.

From the MASN angle, I didn’t see Crawford bump AJ, but it didn’t take a lipreader to tell you those were some very naughty words he was saying to AJ.

I wanna see if anyone has video of Crawford yelling at the Dbacks dugout, tho.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how

the Nats’ color guy says, “Hoo hoo, this is gonna be an argument.”

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then,

“I think AJ Hinch has a beef here.”

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the Umpire rules:

“Finally, be courteous, impartial and firm, and so compel respect from all.”

Yeah, someone should have Crawford read up on that.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 2:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford

doesn’t have time for your niceties!

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford

read the umpiring rulebook, and SMASHED IT IN ITS ****ING BULL**** FACE.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahahaha

this gave a great visual.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 9, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not

for the rulebook.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's a blatant and huge call that *definitely* would have made a difference

I think you can play the game under protest, and if your protest is supported by MLB, there’s a chance you could replay the game. But it would have to be a very blatant mistake in a much more game-changing situation than here, I suspect.

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by kishi on Aug 9, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Protests

The one that comes to mind immediately Is the infamous George Brett pine-tar incident – a great story, well worth reading.

You can’t protest a judgment call – out or safe – but only if the umpires misinterpret the rules in some way. For example, if a batter clearly hits a fly ball off the foul pole and the umpire calls it foul, you can protest the game, because a ball off the foul pole is a homer. Here’s MLB rule 4.19:

Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game when a manager claims that an umpire’s decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final. Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless, in the opinion of the League President, the violation adversely affected the protesting team’s chances of winning the game. Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules, the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch is made or a runner is retired. A protest arising on a game ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the League Office.

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by Jim McLennan on Aug 9, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well after that play that got AJ tossed

I saw some truly uninspired baseball by our club. Rather dissapointing that. OTOH, Riggleman does seem to be a good fit for the Nats. But it is just a series and sometimes the karma simply don’t break your way.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 9, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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