Smoltz DFA'd. Arizona bound?
by AJforAZ on Aug 7, 2009 5:14 PM EDT
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So, as I was browsing one of the internets I came upon news that Smoltz has been DFA'd. Now he's really really struggling (the Yankees only swung and missed twice last night), but he's still a decent major league arm. The question is do we dare sign him to fill in for the rest of our floundering season? Max is nearing his innings cap and Smoltzy is going to put butts in the seats. Maybe we even insert him into the bullpen. What do you guys and gals think? Do you take a big gamble (less than DaCab obviously, but gamble non the less) in an already bust season?
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No
Smoltz has no long-term potential. We signed Cabrera because if he works out, he could be a guy we keep into next season. Smoltz is only further on the decline into next season.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
Sure.
Sign him for cheap this season, but not if other teams go after him.
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Meh
At the risk of blowing up this thread, I’d rather have Cabrara; younger with a bigger upside (future upside, not career potential). If Smoltz came in and saved Haren and Max some innings overload, I wouldn’t mind.
Plus, just one more player I would be interested to see play in our uniform, for nolstalgia’s sake.
Our record's pretty poor
We’ve got to be pretty high in the claims order.
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by snakecharmer on Aug 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he could teach something to our young arms in the bullpen
Did you hear Eric Byrnes is writing a book?
It's going to be a pop-up book.
And another one bites the dust
Vicente Padilla is also added to the DFA list.
I can’t really picture the D-Backs acquiring either of the two. With the season in 2010 mode there just isn’t any reason to sign a washed up veteran. Did you guys forget about Tony Clark already?
Wear your own fur.
Yep
This pretty much says it all. We already dumped our crappy vet because we wanted young arms in the bigs. So why acquire old arms? You add payroll and take innings away from kids.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 7, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What does
dumping a crappy 1B have to do with a pitcher?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Because he's an old and crappy pitcher.
When the season is already lost.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 8, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but
we actually had better options than TC. I’m not convinced we have better options than John Smoltz.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Billy Buckner
Is a better option than John Smoltz, IMHO (see Hatchlings write-up). Complete-game shutout in Reno the last start I noticed. Smoltz can’t last more than an our or two into the sixth because he just breaks down. If Hinch can learn when enough is enough for Billy, he’d be viable in the event we need him.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 9, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
more along the lines of a bullpen position, if he’d accept it…
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Instead of?
Schoenweis? I could see that only because we haven’t used Schoenweis properly (as a LOOGY) and don’t appear to be changing that anytime soon. Vasquez is turning his season around. Boyer is solid. Rauch is dominating. Qualls is fantastic. Gutierrez has ups and downs but has been our seventh-inning guy on many occasions. Pflibsonstache is solid and going nowhere (too adored). So we cut loose Schoenweis to pay him, then add more payroll in the form of Smoltz when we’re going nowhere?
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You can
never have too much pitching. We’re talking about adding depth as a spot starter or long reliever, and a guy with enough tricks of the trade that he could teach a thing or two to our younger pitchers. I’m not necessarily talking about a 1 inning guy. Perhaps bring him into the bullpen and send Vasquez down to AAA to see if we can’t turn him into a starter again.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I agree with the fact that "you can never have too much young* pitching"
There. All better. Problem with Esmerling is a) his frame doesn’t support starting, just like Juan Cruz’s didn’t, and b) he already has an extensive injury history. I just can’t see him starting. His role is to throw 94-97 out of the bullpen and work on his control over the span of an inning. Smoltz won’t throw in AAA, so it’s not like he can teach those guys. If you want to make him a pitching coach, fine, but I don’t see the logic in adding and paying him for the sake of depth when he’s going to retire/leave by the time we’re competitive again.
Scientists have discovered that Jesus did live, and also walked upon water. Evidence is suggesting that Peter asked him he would do for a Klondike Bar.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like
we’re gonna have to agree to disagree.
I wouldn’t mind the signing.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
It appears so.
Well played. :-)
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 11, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks
If we have a goal of trying to get to .500 and playing for next season I don’t see him helping in either of those categories.
by Spaghetti_Monster on Aug 7, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
No
While it’s somewhat impressive that he came back from his torn labrum, he hasn’t shown he can be effective (ahem…)
Webb didn't have the fully-torn labrum
Relax yo-self. Because that’s what I assume you were ahem-ing about.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 8, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
Yeah, he supposedly didn’t. It’s just a frayed labrum. He looks like he’s working really hard to try to get his 8.5 million next year here, and I really do hope it works out for both him and the team. It just seems like pitchers with shoulder injuries become more DL prone, and don’t often return to their former selves, regardless of whichever type of shoulder injury it is. I don’t really know how many pitchers do come back— it’s rather hard to find stats on that!
by eel on Aug 8, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Also keep in mind
Smoltz was declining. And is old. Webb was not. And is not. Just think encouraging thoughts. :-)
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 9, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Smoltz
to the Cardinals.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
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