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Jon Rauch traded to Minnesota from the Diamondbacks.

Jon Rauch has been dealt to Minnesota for a player to be named later, according to the Minnesota Star-Tribune. Gambo and Ash are reporting that catcher John Hester is getting the call-up from Reno to take the spot on the roster - if so, he'll be the ninth player to make his major-league debut for the Diamondbacks this year.

It appears AJ Hinch is implementing a tattoo-based variation of ethnic cleansing in the Arizona clubhouse. First, it was Felipe Lopez; now, it's Jon Rauch. If were Ryan Roberts, I would pick up a change of address form next time I was at the Post Office.

Slightly more credible analysis after the jump

Star-divide

Wow. Anyone see this coming? Anybody? For three months up until Tuesday night, Rauch had been an extremely solid and reliable member of the bullpen: from May 27 through August 23, he appeared in 35 games and posted a 1.82 ERA over 34.2 innings. He appeared finally to have regained the form that enticed Arizona to trade for him from Washington, and was under Arizona's control for 2011 at a not-extortionate $2.4 million. His departure was thus a surprise, especially for the proverbial bag of balls in the shape of that perennial trade chip, Toby Namedlater.

Oh, well. Maybe that player is Joe Mauer. :-) It is possible that the Twins give us a major-leaguer. This is rare in such trades, but I'm hearing reports that Derrick Hall said the player in question would make the 25-man roster - it could be someone on the DL. The most notable case in Diamondbacks' history of an established player being involved is Micah Owings, who became the PTBNL in the trade with the Reds for Adam Dunn. However, more realistically, players to be named later are rarely significant at the point of trade [this is why, in Bull Durham, Kevin Costner introduces himself to his new manager with the phrase, "I’m the player to be named later."]

Of course, this doesn't mean they are inevitably useless. David Ortiz was the PTBNL when the Mariners got Dave Hollins from the Twins in 1996., and others who have filled this role at some point include Moisés Alou, Jeremy Bonderman, Coco Crisp, Scott Podsednik and Jason Schmidt. So there is some hope, but the odds are probably about the same as with a Rule 5 pick.

The move saves the Diamondbacks from having to pay Rauch next year, though if they were so keen to avoid this, one does wonder why they bothered to exercise the 2011 option at all, as they did in the off-season. It seems a statement of confidence in the young arms in the bullpen - Esmerling Vasquez and Juan Gutierrez in particular, and it looks like they will now be the 7th-inning and set-up men for the team going forward. I can see the rest of the 'pen next year being Clay Zavada, Leo Rosales, Daniel Schlereth and perhaps Blaine Boyer.

It does continue something of a trend, with the team being unwilling to spend any significant amounts on relievers. Juan Cruz, Jose Valverde, Brandon Lyon, Tony Peña - all were traded or allowed to leave, when the cost of keeping them began to loom about their perceived value. It appears to be a tenet of organizational philosophy that there is not much point in paying a great deal more than league minimum, especially for a franchise like Arizona, which had limited resources. I can see the point of this: you have to combine our three busiest relievers [Gutierrez, Rauch and Chad Qualls] to get as many innings as have been thrown by our third-most durable starting pitcher, Jon Garland.

That said, our bullpen has been a major source of stress this season. I imagine I am not the only fan who feels more than a twinge of concern at the departure of someone whose performances had made believers out of many of us.

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Interesting

Not sure if I ever saw that move comming. Whatever happened to Double D going?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Aug 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I bet they offered someone good

Like a AAA starting pitcher with some promise.

Has anyone else noticed how much more effective Rauch is in humid climates?

by venomfan on Aug 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And big ballparks.

Wait… whoops.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

they’ll try and get one of their starting pitchers on the DL like Slowey or Perkins or Bonser for next season. More than likely a AAA arm though. Slowey is a pipe dream because he was having a great season up until he went down and theres no way they would let him go for a bullpen arm. Dreaming is free though

Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!

by haas on Aug 30, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!!!

…. wow! That’s too bad… I really liked Rauch….. :/

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Aug 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't worry.

The Twins play the A’s. ;-)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

just when our bullpen started settling down (i know, minus the first two games of the giants series). we were having solid 7,8,and 9th inning guys. Shame to see him go after turning it around big time. Wonder who we’re getting……too bad it WONT be Joe Mauer lol

by jturkel on Aug 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome

to the Snakepit!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest with you

I am okay with this, not just because of his performance but I still really don’t want to lose Doug Davis (I know, selfish of me, but whatever.)

"I refuse to let you use my own words in context against me!" -Daily Show

by mrssoco on Aug 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This makes sense to me with our young relievers seemingly emerging. It could also be a sign we’re getting money together for next year if we decide to pick up Webb’s option.

Go Diamondbacks!

by sayheyupton on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Given Rauch’s rebound and manageable salary, his departure reflects 2010 thinking.

1. Josh thinks he has comparable, cheaper bullpen pieces for next yr and beyond.
2. He can use the payroll elsewhere to better balance the 2010 team

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Aug 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmhmm

Esmerling has been money recently. Hopefully Schlereth can not suck and live up to being a first-round college relief pick. Qualls is still closing (this makes it pretty clear he probably isn’t going to be traded).

And the Hester call-up is interesting. Seems like they’re trying to see just how expendable Chris Snyder is. I like it. Three catchers is interesting, but it’s for a purpose that’s understandable.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's definitely strongarmed neophytes

in the bullpen, in the process (hopefully) of becoming good, reliable pitchers. Josh Byrnes has a pretty good record putting staffs together, but Dback fans have also grown understandably impatient with “the process” of development insufficiently augmented with veteran talent. Should be interesting how it shakes out.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Aug 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snydes

seems to be injured still, though, so that’ll throw a wrench into any “trade Snydes” plans. It also provides another reason to call up Hester. (That, and Carlin didn’t exactly distinguish himself)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just noticed this

Hmph. Looks like we’re certainly not getting that fifth starter we wanted for Snyderman. It seems more like average prospect now. Luke Carlin should stick to playing for Canada and being a smart Northwestern grad. He’s still on the 40-man why?

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This way

we have 3 working catchers on the 40-man.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, but this typically weird move has finally pushed me over the edge and I’ve got to comment. Since Kendrick gave his infamously goofy “We’re going to build this franchise organically” speech, the D’Backs have been essentially a cut-rate operation and this is yet another example. Rauch had been pretty reliable for some time, but more importantly, he displayed some real veteran leadership qualities in that he didn’t whine when things weren’t going well, and rebuilt his reputation and career from the bottom up. If this isn’t valuable for a team or an organization that is genuinely dedicated to rebuilding itself (organically or not), I can’t image many other things that would help. I really don’t think the ownership of this team is concerned with being competitive, but is instead more interested in simply being an entertainment organization. I’m the kind of person they should be trying to convince to buy season tickets, but I won’t because I don’t believe that the ownership/management of this franchise is interested in competitive baseball.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

"Veteran leadership"? Really??

I hear Tony Clark is a free agent still…

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A "Veteran Leader"

doesn’t piss off Snydes. I am curious to see what we get in return on this one. Anyone have any ideas?

by venomfan on Aug 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Snydes isn’t going to be around much longer (Hester brought up to fill in Rauch’s spot, you don’t call up a guy to have three catchers around unless you’re thinking strongly of dealing one of them and want to see if you have an ample replacement on the roster). So I suppose that problem may have not been much a problem anymore.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was disputing

the “veteran leader” description. But the problem is now solved!

by venomfan on Aug 28, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the 'Pit

I think there is an element of cost-cutting here, certainly. But I don’t think it’s necessarily indicative of an overall cut-rate organization, just one that needs to pick and choose its battles. The $2.4m can go towards Webb’s options, for example. Would you rather have (a presumably healthy) Webb next season, or Jon Rauch and a $6m i.e. not very good free agent starter?

Semi-decent dullpen relievers are always going to be pretty available, and you really shouldn’t need to pay big bucks for them.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Aug 28, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Hello Jim, thanks. I actually don’t have access to player contract information, so I don’t know who is getting what. The trouble with bullpen relievers is that they cannot be ‘semi-decent.’ They either get the opposing players out, or they give up crucial runs and crucial points in a game. What you seem to be hinting here is that the job is too valuable to be entrusted to journeyman players.

Regarding the Tony Clark comment, Clark no longer even had a slider speed bat, he had a change up bat at best. Rauch presumably has a few more years left, so any analogy regarding ‘veteran leadership’ between Clark and Rauch simply does not work in this case.

Jim, yes, they have to pick and choose their battles, but the D’Backs have had a long string of strange strategic (“organic” rather than free agent) and tactical (Ortiz, Byrnes, and in turn developing Orlando Hudson for the Dodgers) player personnel moves with progressively less than satisfactory results on the field.

Some of it is probably bad luck, but not all of it.

But, there are signs of a developing core of everyday players (Drew, Upton, Reynolds) that gives one some reason for optimism. But without a solid relief core, it’s all for not, and trading away moderately consistent relievers for what, another third base prospect, or maybe another minor league shortstop isn’t going to heal what ails this ballclub.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

If you look at the numbers of many of the Diamondback relievers as of late, especially some of the younger guys, they suggest that the kids are developing quite well and have a chance to be those guys that you refer to who get guys out (the biggest one that comes to mind is Esmerling – he’s been toxic. It’s ridiculous, he has given up five earned runs since July, spanning a period of 26.1 innings of work – his ERA in that span is 1.71, closer-type numbers). I’m not saying Rauch was completely expendable, but if we got some good value for him and could get his salary off of our books which we can use for other purposes, it could be a very good deal.

The DFA Clark joke was just ’Skins being ’Skins. He does that. :-P

Ortiz and Byrnes were signings of a previous regime (Jeff Moorad). Josh Byrnes’ deals as of yet have all been financially-sound, smart investments that have appeared to pay dividends. Even the deals that are coined as disastrous aren’t as bad as they appear (Carlos Quentin can’t stay healthy in Chicago, for example).

If we could get a good minor-league pitcher, though, the deal would be fantastic. Our SP depth in the organization could use some work, especially if Jarrod Parker’s rehab/surgery (any update?) is going to stunt his growth a little.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stipulate to Previous Regime argument

I’ll stipulate to the Moorad regime point.

But when I heard that JB was going to effectively decimate the bullpen prior to this season, I told my colleagues that this season was going to be quite long, thank you. I hoped I was wrong, but the proof resides squarely in the results.

No team can really go far without a strong pen. Now, I too like what I’ve seen of the young pitchers, but they are very new and don’t have any experience pitching in the pressure of a pennant run. The ‘Backs still need veteran experience in the 7th and 8th inning set up positions if they wish to be around for that last week next season. Otherwise, it’ll be Groundhog Day all over again.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 28, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally,

Ortiz was signed by the last administration, and Byrnes was signed by the owner of the Padres. Hudson left because he wanted to be paid.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a smart

strategic move for a mid-market organization that’s not competing this year and needs to cut its losses and prepare for next year. If we can save some money that can be put towards Webby’s option AND replace Rauch cheaply with a minor leaguer AND get a prospect who might be a starting position player in 2012, well… I don’t see what’s wrong with that? This is a GREAT move for an organization that needs to pick its battles.

If the org were to follow your advice, then you’ve got the Kansas City Royals, 30 games under .500 and 19.5 games out of first place, spending tens of millions on free agents in the offseason and trading for Yuniesky Betancourt mid-season. As for me, I don’t want my franchise to make idiotic moves like that.

I think J.Byrnes was planning on keeping Rauch all along, because he’s dependable and fairly cheap, but the Twins probably made him an offer he just couldn’t refuse. To me, that’s not being a cut-rate operation. That’s just smart baseball.

Just because the team is conceding the rest of the season doesn’t mean they’re not “interested in competitive baseball”. It just means they’re realistic.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOO!!!!

My favorite “crappy” player! Oh well. I guess I’ll just go back to loving Augie.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Until he gets released

After this season.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

(He can blame RyRo for that)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes.

And himself. For sucking.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vasquez, Gutierrez and Zavada all appear to be solid young relievers, perhaps even better than just solid. You absolutely have to be able to manage your payroll in today’s market, thus this move. Perhaps signing Webb is something they’re looking at for next year, and that’s not going to be cheap. If not Webb, they’re going to need starting pitching next year and keeping their aforementioned young relievers instead of Rauch in order to free up money for starting pitching appears to be the decision. Makes sense to me.

Go Diamondbacks!

by sayheyupton on Aug 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

IAWTC totally

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

by hotclaws on Aug 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts:

At the end of the day, the prospect we’re going to get is going to be better than Emilio Bonifacio, right? I can only imagine that someone who has had as much success as of late would garner an improvement in prospect return from a year ago. Gutierrez will probably fill Rauch’s role, and Vasquez appears ready to step up into Gutierrez’s role.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder

who is on the list that they get to choose from or if they set up a conditional scale based on performance. Sometimes I wonder how teams actually pull these trades off. My guess would be that there is an initial list of prospects, someone has to be on that list that the team likes.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 28, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a waiver deal

So they’ve already organized the entirety of the deal, prospect to be sent to Arizona and all. The only reason it can’t be completed as of yet is the fact that the player probably did not make it through waivers unclaimed, so the Diamondbacks are going to have to wait until the end of the season or for the player to go through waivers successfully for the trade to be completed. Same thing happened when we shipped Micah Owings off to Cincinnati for Adam Dunn.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

That’s what happens in trades made after the deadline.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's already up on the big league club

so I kinda doubt he’s the guy.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mijares

Is on the big-league squad. And pitching very well in relief. And is young. Definitely not gonna be him.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's the first guy

Then sweet. A 21-year-old pitching well in Hi-A? Yes, please.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

At 1st I was like Hell yeah

but then I was like o_0

I laugh until my head comes off.

by edbigghead on Aug 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

same

but then, I ended up being like, Hell yeah again.

by Counsellmember on Aug 28, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and finally...

I wanted to know who the PTBNL is. All this depends on him. Seems value wise he should be not too far off from what we got for Pena; someone like Allen.

by Counsellmember on Aug 28, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't know who the PTBNL is!

Because he will be named LATER!! It’s like “He who must not be named” in the Harry Potter books. Sheesh.

;=)

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 28, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...

that smiley has two noses.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I decided they're nostrils.

"I forgot I have short term memory loss." Kate

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 30, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still scary!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

These things do leak. Because the trade is pretty much completed. Just like there was a leak that Owings was dealt last year.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 29, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should be someone like who we traded for Rauch

Bonifacio. Probably better.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 28, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't Rauch

the “least liked” player in the clubhouse according to an insider at the beginning of the year? if so, might be good for clubhouse chemistry.

"Have a take and do not suck or you will get run." - Jim Rome

by jonny-yuma on Aug 28, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

but that was awhile ago. He’s been different later in the year.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 28, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning

…is good for clubhouse chemistry.

by Counsellmember on Aug 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

Who would have thought, back in April, that we would in any way be disappointed to see Rauch get traded?

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Aug 29, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good perspective.

I kinda feel bad for Minny though. There’s the possibility that Rauch may simply not handle mid-season trades well and if that’s the case, oof.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see him go....

Thank you D-Back’s front office for dumping another relief pitcher that is hot and cold more than running water out of a faucet. With the lack of consistency out of our entire pitching staff this year (except Haren of course) it is time that something was done. Hopefully the solid pitching we have in the minors can find its way to the majors next year. If not, Low-Budget Free Agency here we come!

Peace & Love, Peace & Love.

by SnakebitForever on Aug 29, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

From May 8th to August 23rd, he had an ERA of 2.34. If that’s running hot and cold, sign the rest of the bullpen up for it.

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Aug 29, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

More to game than ERA...

He was giving up a hit an inning (57 Hits in 54.1 innings), he had given up 27 runs and of those 25 of them were earned runs, and they were slugging .416 against him. Not great for a guy who pitches in a hitters ballpark. He only had 12 holds on the year so that didn’t help him any.

If you want to talk about ERA then lets talk about the most important one for a reliever: ERA with 2 outs in an inning. Rauch’s ERA was 5.89 in these situations. He was IN this situation in 54 of the 58 games he pitched. His ERA with RISP (Runners in Scoring Position) was 11.81 (OUCH)!

Peace & Love, Peace & Love.

by SnakebitForever on Aug 29, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

you’ll find that almost EVERYONE’S ERA goes up w/ RISP, especially relievers. It’s the nature of the beast.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't blame Rauch for other people's problems

He only had 12 holds, yeah, but he only had one blown save, so his lack of holds is more of a function of the rest of the team’s problems, as well as they way in which Rauch was used. And slugging .416? You know that’s worse than Tony Clark’s slugging percentage this season? And that’s not great for a guy who hit in a hitter’s ballpark. And why do hits matter? As long as they don’t score, that’s fine.

ERA is a perfectly acceptable way to evaluate a pitcher, especially if you’re looking across a few dozen appearances.

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Aug 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

ERA+ is better, in which case Rauch comes off looking EVEN better.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

His 110 ERA+ on the season is good. I was just using the gamelogs at baseball-reference.com, and it doesn’t give you ERA+ for the games you select. =)

"I can't accept and won't concede that this is who we are..."

by kishi on Aug 29, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

jon rauch

I dont really think that jon rauch did much for the team. I think this is a pretty good. we’ll bring in a pitcher and hope that he knows what he’s doing with the diamondbacks. this trade isnt gonna do much because jon rauch barely even plays. So It isn’t that nessacary.

by AzSports on Aug 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome

to the Snakepit.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to wonder, though.

Are we going to send ALL our relievers to the AL Central?

Chad Qualls, prepare to play for the Tigers….

(With Lyon going to the Tigers and Cruz going to the Royals in the offseason, this is getting weirder and weirder)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Breaking News:

Tom Gordon has signed a minor-league contract with the Cleveland Indians.

Just kidding. If only.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking news:

Clay Zavada traded to the White Sox for Jake Peavy.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 29, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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