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Seven Into Three Won't Go

The title of this article:
  a) Refers to the Diamondbacks 2010 outfield situation?
  b) Is a fairy-tale for mature audiences, starring Jenna Jameson as Snow White?
  c) Describes a math problem capable of baffling a typical Arizona high-school graduate?

The answer - much though you might want to think otherwise - is a). Arizona currently find themselves with a regular starting outfield consisting entirely of players who weren't even on the 25-man roster for Opening Day four months ago. But the performances they're returned have been more than credible to date, leaving the club with an interesting dilemma for next season. What do we do with this sudden surplus of apparently-talented outfielders?

There are seven names credible as contenders for the outfield grass at Chase next season. After the jump, let's take a look at the pros and cons associated with each, both on their performances this year, and where they might fit into the picture for the Diamondbacks in 2010. And no, this isn't just an excuse to use another picture of Mr. Dreamy...

Star-divide

Eric Byrnes. 2009 stats: .216/.260/.361 (OPS+ 57). 2010 salary: $11 million.
Currently on the disabled list with a broken hand, Byrnes has suffered a litany of injuries and poor performance since signing a contract extension in mid-2007. He missed 110 games last season with hamstring problems, and will probably see barely more than half the possible number this year. Perhaps more troubling, his performance when he has been on the roster has been hugely disappointing. Among players with 400+ PAs over the past two seasons, his OPS+ of 60 ranks him 311th out of 316 in the majors - and Byrnes has been paid $19m for it.

2010 prognosis. The team won't drop Byrnes until the last chance of him being a useful cog has evaporated. However, he'll be 34 by Opening Day, and the speed which was a key factor in his success during 2007 is not going to improve with the passage of time. Health concerns permitting, he'll start the season on the roster, probably as the fourth outfielder, but I'd be quite surprised if he sees out his contract as an active member of the Diamondbacks.

Conor Jackson. 2009 stats: .182/.264/.253 (OPS+ 34). 2010 salary: arbitration eligible (2009 salary $3.05m).
No-one played more games (414) for the Diamondbacks from 2006-2008, but this was not the season we wanted from CoJack, among the best hitters in the team last year. He struggled from the get-go, and was eventually diagnosed with a fungal lung disease, albeit only after it had developed into pneumonia. He's hoping to get back with the team for the last month, but that return is more likely to be a token gesture than anything, after having already missed three months.

2010 prognosis. He's likely going to see action this winter, either in the Arizona Fall League and/or one of the Carribbean or Latin American leagues, which should help establish whether he has fully recovered, and help shake off the rust from his prolonged absence. Probably still has the inside track on being the starting left-fielder for the regular season, the assumption being that his poor start this year was illness-related and not indicative of his true form. We'll need him to recover if Arizona is to compete.

Trent Oeltjen. 2009 stats: .414/.414/.862 (OPS+ 217). 2010 salary: league minimum
One of the great stories from this season, a career minor-leaguer who finally got a chance, and ripped it to shreds  - he's one of only 20 players since 1954 to have four multi-hit games in their first five appearances. That success has also given him a chance to show off his blistering speed on the basepaths, and he has performed very well with the glove in both left- and right-field. And did we mention his cute accent? And his dreamy smile? Tee-hee!

2010 prognosis. Let's face it - he spent eight years in the minors for a reason, and any power is an illusion his minor-league HR rate works out to six per 162-game season. However, he has batted .300 both his last couple of seasons, and his defense and speed might both be worth having on the bench. Still, odds are probably slim against him making the roster on Opening Day, though as coverage for injury and stashed away in Reno, you could do a good deal worse.

Gerardo Parra. 2009 stats: .298/.335/.436 (OPS+ 96). 2010 salary: league minimum
We thought we might see Parra replacing Byrnes in 2011, but he got the call-up from Double-A, and has responded strongly. While some more walks would be welcome - he has only 18 in 333 PA's - Parra has been mentioned as a potential Rookie of the Year, albeit not much outside Arizona. He hasn't broken under pressure either, driving in runs regularly; he's fourth on the team, despite having played only 76 games. His defense still remains somewhat suspect, but he has shown himself capable of covering a surprising amount of ground on occasion.

2010 prognosis. He'll still only be 22 come Opening Day, and seems to have the best shot of breaking through, not least because he can play all three outfield positions, a versatility which gives him a leg-up on a roster-spot. He may even end up being the regular starting center-fielder next season, though the decision on that is likely down as much to the performance of others as his own. Time is on his side, and if he's not present at the start of the season, I expect he will be by the end.

Alex Romero. 2009 stats; .301/.363/.410 (OPS+ 98). 2010 salary: league minimum
The perception of Romero last season was that he was all glove and no offense, as he batted .230 with an OPS+ of only 49. Now he's batting over .300, that's an idea undergoing some revision, though both the small sample-size (90 PAs) and a hefty .352 BABIP suggest he is over-achieving. Probably even lighter-hitting than Oeltjen, Romero has one HR in 112 major-league games, but his plate-discipline is improved this year, with a K:BB of 11:7, compared to 20:3 in 2008.

2010 prognosis. Alex will probably have to rely on more injuries to see much playing time with the Diamondbacks, having certainly been surpassed on the depth-chart by Parra, and possibly even Oeltjen, depending on how the rest of the season plays out. At age 26, he probably isn't going to get much better than he is now, and as 2010 will be his last option year, Romero seems destined to lurk on the fringes of the roster, racking up the frequent-flier miles as he travels between Phoenix and Reno.

Justin Upton. 2009 stats: .301/.374/.541 (OPS+ 132). 2010 salary: league minimum
It's weird how many Arizona fans haven't warmed to Upton's undeniably immense talents - Oeltjen has probably got more love in one week on the roster, and some people still think he should be traded. Is it racism? A perception Upton is a bit arrogant? His youth? Could be partly all three. Yet, on sheer performance alone, he has been everything we could have expected, and more. Few 21-year olds are capable of holding down a full-time position, yet alone producing at a well-above average rate.

2010 prognosis. "Starting in right-field...Justin Upton!" And in 2011-2013 too. Did you really expect anything else? I still tend to think it was probably a mistake to bring him up last season - his age 26 season is going to be a great deal better than his age 20 one was, but the former will now likely be lost to free-agency. And then... Well, how many players reach free-agency just before hitting the prime of their careers? Health permitting, $20 million per year is a good starting-point for the bidding.

Chris Young. 2009 stats: .194/.297/.359 (OPS+ 68). 2010 salary: $3.25 million
And then there's the thorny problem of Young, whose batting average hasn't been above .205 since the end of April, and who was mercifully put out of our misery this week, by being sent to Reno - even if he has still to arrive there [I imagine him currently sitting in a Flagstaff Greyhound terminal. Having been there, I can only sympathize]. His struggles have been very well documented just about everywhere - it doesn't seem mental [Young is no CQ] - but if it's mechanical, why hasn't it been fixed in four months?

2010 prognosis. What once seemed a lock is now much less certain, and he has a fight on his hands - mostly with Gerardo Parra - if he wants to become the starting center-fielder for the Diamondbacks once again.  It's a decision which will likely be made in spring training, with the position no longer his to lose. And the scary thing if he doesn't make it? He's signed for three more beyond next year, with $20.5 million committed to him for 2011-2013. Chris: you'd better get better...

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I’d probably put the depth chart at:

Upton (Of course)
Jackson
Parra
Oeltjen
Romero
Brynes
Young

I know we shouldn’t expect 4 hit nights every night from Oeltjen, but if he can hit for average than he’s exactly the kind of player I’d want to stick between all of our big boppers. Add in his speed and defense, and I’d think there should be no way he gets a trip back to Reno unless he completely falls back to earth.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm guessing

CY is gonna pull his “stuff” together, so he’ll be a starter. I’m kinda expecting some trades to be made, because we got some good potential in the OF

"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"

by sergey606 on Aug 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love

to see the guy make it, but he’s going to have to work hard to be a starter again. No more automatic starting for him.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Good potential"?

Not really. Ichiromero and TA are likely AAAA guys that nobody trades for except for depth, and Parra may only be league average for an OF.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd put it more like this

Upton
Jackson
Parra
Oeltjen
Romero
Young
Byrnes

All though, Young’s placement in our depth chart really depends on how he does the rest of the year in AAA, and how he plays in Spring Training. He could easily win back his job as centerfielder or fourth outfielder. Byrnes is a goner. If he comes back, and continues to suck, his career with Arizona should be over.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Aug 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

if you’re getting that low on the chart it doesn’t much matter anymore, as that player won’t be (in theory) on the 25 man roster.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because

that certainly turned out THIS year…

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hence

“in theory.”

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a second....

are you trying to pull some sort of “nuance” trap on me??

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

DISTORTION

FINISH!!!

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINISH HIM!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Changed my mind on this...

Upton is really the only guy who’s guaranteed his spot. It pisses me off when people complain about upton. When you look at both offense and defense, he’s the best player on the team, and the youngest player on the team. Yes he has the occasional defensive mistake, but he’s only going to get better. Enjoy him while we have him.

Left field should be Jackson’s, unless of course, Allen needs more time in AAA, then Jackson is moved to 1b until he is. In that case, left field should be Parra’s.

Centerfield is the real question. I think CY should be allowed the chance to win back the job in Spring training. If it’s not CY in center, I guess it would be Parra.

In a perfect world, where Jackson and CY recover and rebound offensively, Parra is the fourth outfielder, and Byrnes is no longer on the roster. The only place Byrnes has on this team is as a fourth outfielder. I don’t know if Oeltjen is capable of playing CF. If he can’t, then there’s really no point in having him as the fourth outfielder, since IMHO, the fourth outfielder should be capable of playing all three positions. If he is capable of playing an average defensive CF, then by all means, he should be given the chance to make 25 man roster out of spring training.

So here’s my revised outfield depth chart:
RF: Upton
LF: Jackson/Parra
CF: CY/Parra
4th outfielder: Parra
5th outfielder(if we carry one) Romero or Oeltjen

Somewhere not on the team: Eric Byrnes

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Aug 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

“Somewhere not on the team”

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "5th outfielder"

could also be Ryan Roberts?

He’s like a Chris Burke who isn’t a black hole of suck at the plate.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Paying it back.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

waaaaait a minute. that’s what we should do — trade for Chris Burke!!!

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 14, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Psshhht.

What are we, the Padres??

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

oeltjen?

how is he getting the gonzo love now? why do the fans of this team constantly seem to be clinging to the most confusing players? why not throw the support behind the guys that will win us championships?

swindell, bk, gonzo, fetters, byrnes, ojeda, and now trent oeltjen? if history is supposed to teach us anything, we have to expect that whomever the newspaper rally sallys of the valley start to adore will start deserving a DFA sooner than later. it really makes me sick when the front office is pressured to bring back a below average player (ahembyrnesandnotlookingforwardtothisoffseasonmrojedacough) because of an orgy of premenopausal rudy fantasies soaking NRS’s shorts.

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Aug 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, but i think this is natural on any club. hometown fans are drawn to the underdog stories.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think

bench quality players belong .. on the bench.

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Aug 13, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

putting Oeltjen 4th on a depth chart is Gonzo love? Did you even read my post or did you get to his name and then frantically start posting, spittle covering the keyboard?

Yes, Oeltjen is playing over his head, but the guy, even in the minors, hit for some serious average and has speed. That’s a good player to have on the bench, don’t you think?

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you denying the gonzo love?

have you been to chase in the last three days? ;D

and yes, i do think that is a decent profile for a bench player to have, but that’s not one that he’ll keep for very long. he’ll probably be fast for another couple of years but the average is not going to stick around quite as long. if TO is hitting .250, then all you’ve got is speed, and i’m pretty sure CY is faster.

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Aug 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's definitely

getting Gonzo love, but I don’t know if he’s getting it so much here.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but we’ve yet to be convinced that CY is capable of hitting .250.

by Azreous on Aug 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LOL'd.

Then I cried a little.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really

If a guy shows up and puts up an OPS of 1.276 in his first six games, I think he’s earned some love.

"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"

by kishi on Aug 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he may be faster

but as a base runner, CY leaves the perception that is somewhat lacking. He rarely steals and to be honest he’s not been on base enough to be witnessed to be going from 1st to 3rd or coming home from 2nd.on a single. I suspect that Trent’s numbers will indeed go down (where else do they have to go?) as he starts getting a healthy diet of breaking stuff but so far, as a leadoff hitter, there’s no denying that he’s offered a spark and in the field shown an enthusiasm that was lacking. I know it sounds trite, but fans appreciate it when the players get their uniforms dirty.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 13, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite

the obvious example of Beric Yrnes, I think I’d agree with the second part of this comment.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

although I’m not entirely convinced you appropriately posted this as a reply to soco’s comment.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really

think we need to wait for TA to fall back to Earth before making a decision like this.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

It’s not like I’m saying HOF STARTER WOOOO, I’m calling him what he is, if he can stick around: a career bench player. I also prefaced it with “right now” which means now, not some future date.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because his career minor league numbers sure make it look like his last 2 seasons were a PCL-driven outlier.

I suppose it’s possible that baseball in Australia sucks so much that it’s taken him this long to get used to the competition, but at this point, I’d put CoJack and Parra and probably even CY ahead of him. (Depending on where CY goes from here)

TA’s been in the bigs for fewer games than I have fingers, and we’re already anointing him “4TH OF OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!”. Sadly, I think he might not even be that.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's

hardly anointing if it’s for the bench position. Of course, I notice you’ve also failed to catch the part where I also stipulated if “he completely falls back to earth.” It’s a distinctive possibility, but right now it’s hard to put the others in front of him especially because we’re talking about the damn bench!

Now if I were talking about him starting, then you might have a point with your indignation.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bench position

is a position regardless. The only difference is that the 4th outfielder typically doesn’t play everyday. With a 25 man roster, you really don’t have any spots to waste.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the ace of the pitching rotation

to the 25th spot on the roster, you should have the best possible player at each position.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's

true, but the selection of bench guys for the outfield isn’t exactly an amazing field. You could probably come up with an argument for any of them, but it’s not going to much matter until Spring rolls around.

You are both wrong, for I, SOCO, am the BIG Anime Fan!!

by soco on Aug 14, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I right in deducing...

… that there are no option problems (sans Byrnes) in 2010? Jackson too? CY? I think Parra has proved his worth as the CF over CY, but assuming CY progresses reasonably (not sure why I would assume that), I think CY should make the team over Romero.

Not sure if Romero is worth anything on the trade market, but I’d shop him and see if we might be able to get a high-ish ceiling guy in A ball for him. I just don’t see a place for him on this club. Oeltjen I’d put in a similar category, although I’d like to see a better return for him — maybe a decent AA SP prospect. Parra I’m not interested in moving.

Unless our youngsters implode over the next 45 days, Byrnes has to be gone.

My list:
Upton (RF)
Jackson (LF)
Parra (CF)
Oeltjen 4th OF (trade if can get a decent return)
CY 5th OF
Romero (trade if possible)
Byrnes — cut

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

You are way overvaluing

Ichiromero and Oeltjen on the trade market…. Sorry, man. If Freddy Sanchez gets a medium-upside (now that I’ve heard Alderson’s velocity is down) AA-pitcher, what do you think Trent Oeltjen is going to get?

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bucket of balls

and a digeridoo?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please, NO

Not a digeridoo. Things that make the sound of a moose being sexually molested are NOT things we want.

"I know a place where life is a game, and Baseball's really real"

by pygalgia on Aug 13, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

know what that sounds like….

My dad has a didgeridoo, though?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 pack

of Fosters?

Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

by PhoenixFly on Aug 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alderson is no “medium-upside” pitcher. That’s absurd.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He actually is

I was shocked to find this out myself, but with his velocity decreased, people are saying he’s fifth-starter material. If he can find the velocity again, he becomes high-upside.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's pretty much a standard rule for life itself

If only I could find my lost velocity ;-) then I could have a high upside too…. insert your own druggie reference joke HERE

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear

there was a lot of velocity and upside at Woodstock.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

FTW

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alright. Maybe it’s semantics, but I’m talking about a prospect who wouldn’t be guaranteed to make the bigs.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ok

A fringe Hi-A or AA guy? Fair enough.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got it. I’m talking McAnaney/Halden not Parker/Schlereth.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction: Harden

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to break it to you

But McAnaney/Harden is worth more than Oeltjen. Calling them fringe is a bit much when they’re top-15 in the system. :-P Barnette? At least from before the season started and he sucked a big fatty… Josh Ellis?

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no reason a respectable fourth OF with a rookie contract shouldn’t be able to garner something that may end up being worthwhile down the road.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most systems

Have “respectable” fourth OFs in them. Typically trades aren’t made for backups (Flip Lopez is a starter, got two guys, Sanchez is a starter, got one guy, etc.) unless you’re the Yankees (and they were given cash along with Hinske – odd, I know).

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And with a little extra thought

When they are made, it’s usually for a solid veteran MLB utility guy. Not just an OF or just an IF. Say, if we’re not competing next year, someone may take a look at RyRo as a rent-a-utilityman.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is that the players we’re offering may not be certain MLB OFs, but they will be under the team’s control at league minimum for 2/3 years. That is a significant advantage. All I’m saying is that there are likely clubs who have a similar log jam of SPs that we have with OFs. There’s no reason we can’t do business with that sort of club.

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by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The only team I can think of with excess SP

Is the Phillies. Because they went out and found it. The punks…

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

two organizations immediately pop to mind as having an excess of AAA SPs: the Blue Jays and the Orioles.

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by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

SPs

are MUCH more valuable than OFs, though.

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-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the issue

Having too many AAA SP’s isn’t having too many SP’s. It’s just having a lot of good young arms. The Phillies have too many Major-League SP’s. That’s having too many SP’s.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd list it:

Upton
Jackson
Parra
Young
Romero
Oeltjen
Byrnes – DFA

I don’t think anyone can seriously put Oeltjen or Romero above CY in this. Sure it’s been a really bad year offensively, but his potential has got to be miles ahead of both of those guys. When Parra came up I remarked “He’s the Alex Romero we never had.” and I think it’s still a decent assessment. Which makes AR pretty expendable in my eyes. Also, I don’t think career minor leaguers should be in the discussion for starting opening day. When they’re having a season like ‘09, it makes sense to plug him in. When we’re tied with mlb for first with 0 wins, we should be running out the org’s top ceiling guys every day.

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by leemellon on Aug 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Potential

means nothing if he never reaches it. He had a great 2007, well great in home runs and stolen bases, and then faded from there. I’d love to see the guy get it together, but that moment isn’t close, if it exists at all.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Faded from there"?

His counting stats may have declined last year, but he raised his OPS+ from 89 to 91.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

but his two “best” stats, the only one he seemed to have any handle on, where power and stealing bases, both of which have declined both years. He may have had a slightly better on other things last year, but how he made his money was off home runs and stealing, both of which seems to have left him.

Now, if he somehow manages to reinvent himself as a guy who hits for average, or a more rounded player, or anything better, then that would be great.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also

walking more this year. I know he made his money on HRs and steals, but you can’t entirely disregard objective performance in favor of flashy stats. If his OBP goes up, it should be noted, even if he never hits higher than .235.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But my

point is that unless he’s reinventing himself, modest gains aren’t helping much, and if he can’t even do what he naturally does anymore, I have to wonder what’s wrong.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

improvement isn’t enough?

I’d settle for last year’s production and a return to last year’s defense.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he had

continued improving this year, then sure.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just mentioned

an area in which he HAS continued improving. Over the last 3 years, his BB rate has gone from 7% to 9% to 12.5%. His BB/K has gone from .3 to .38 to .47, and even with his BA drop this year, his OBP has still improved over 2007 from .295 to .297.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's

something I certainly hope he continues to improve upon, but it is funny that you’d mention he improved his OPS+ from 2007 (87) to 2008 (91). Sure, he improved, but on the other hand it just mean he got to be a better worse-than-average batter.

In all seriousness, though, I really do hope he improves.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

CY’s upside is probably as a league-average hitter, say in the 98-102 range, with a slight chance he goes higher. (105? 110?) But to be a value to the team, he needs to get back defensively to the place he was last year and the year before.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's

still what, 3 or 4 years younger than TO? It doesn’t even seem like competition to me.

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Aug 13, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Or

just plain disturbing?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and...

I’m only like five minutes away from the Greyhound. I can totally give CY a lift to Reno in my minivan.

by Azreous on Aug 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to start work on the script right now

Chris and Chris in: The Road to Reno!

It’s gonna be a big box-office failure!

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by kishi on Aug 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it playing at The Loft?

I’ll go see it.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

we could go see it after the Toros game?

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-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

All right.

I’ll get you guys red carpet access and some tickets for the after-party, too. Be prepared for hilariously misunderstood adventures, just like the movie has.

by Azreous on Aug 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see where this is going....

the two of you accidentally get lost along the way, and stumble upon an old cabin, somewhere in Williams, and AZBOMBERS happens to live there…

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreeing With Jim

Just isn’t as much fun, but a lot of this assessment is accurate. My thoughts:
Hudson: A prize. One of the top young players in all of MLB. ‘nuf said.
Jackson: Should return to form with a return to health. Solid, with the added upside at 1B.
Parra: Big upside: Youth. Downside: Youth. We’ll see how he develops, but he has a good potential to be solid if he can keep his OBP up.
Romero: a workable #4, but not much more.
Oeltjen: Despite the hot start, I’m skeptical. Let’s see how he hits once the leagues pitchers figure out his weaknesses. But speed is always nice, so he deserves a look.
Young: What a frustrating story. Speed, power, and fielding until it all fell apart. If he can get it all sorted out, he’ll be a very good outfielder. If not…(I’m still of the opinion that a lot of Young’s problems are mental, so the outcome could go either way)
Byrnes: It’s the contract. Once you’ve invested that much money in a player, it’s really hard to just give up on them, and very hard to unload them. If he shows even minimal signs of life, we’re stuck with him. The reality of big contracts given on the euphoria of one or two good seasons has bitten.
So the bet for ’10 (barring trades or free agency signings) is:
Upton, Parra, Jackson starting (unless Young has a sudden recovery), with Byrnes fourth, and Romero being the top replacement in case of injury.

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by pygalgia on Aug 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Hudson?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooops

Brain fart. Meant Upton.

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by pygalgia on Aug 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa....

did that comment come through time from the past?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see...

Connor Jackson as our starting first baseman next year. That would definitely help with the current logjam in the outfield.

Upton and Parra should stay where they are. In that case I’d like to see Romero and Jackson split time in left field. Oeltjen is a bit of a wild card – I don’t know what we should do with him, but I’d like to see him get some playing time whenever possible.

I don’t see Byrnes being in our lineup at all next year, not even as a bench player, and I wouldn’t mind that being the case with Chris Young, too.

by NotGuilty on Aug 13, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I like

Brandon Allen as our starting 1B, partly because I think he’s more used to it defensively, partly because he’s a lefty, and partly because I think he has the potential to really crush the ball. CoJack is pretty good defensively in LF.

Of course, we have yet to see whether Allen can succeed at the big league level.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

My brother said that when he played Coaches Pitch in Little League, they had a LF, a LCF, a RCF, and a RF.

If we did that, do you think the umpires would notice?

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-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Given some of the calls they’ve made this season, I suspect not.

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by kishi on Aug 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

This would be a pretty egregious mistake in our favor. That would be awesome.

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-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice writeup

I think the DBacks would be nuts not to give Parra the first shot at starting in CF next year. The DBacks sure have had some good outfielders come through Arizona in recent years, but have made poor decisions on which ones to keep/trade and sign for long term deals.

Dodgers are headed to town with a 5-1/2 game lead in the west. Here is how the upcoming series shakes out for now. Could change if Davis is traded. DBacks slight favorites with Haren pitching, and the Dodgers as solid favorites in the other two games.

vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Aug 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Davis

almost certainly won’t be traded.

Also, remember that the guy who made the sole decision to re-sign Eric Byrnes (and ultimately get Carlos Quentin forced out) is now the owner of the Padres….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have we

ever been able to actually proof that there is a connection between Moorad forcing Quentin out? Byrnes has said directly that the reason they moved Quentin was to clear up the outfield, which would be solely the decision making ability of Byrnes, not anyone else.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Josh Byrnes made the decision, and it was probably a mistake, but ultimately Byrnes’ plan for the future was to let Yrnes leave and have Quentin be the starter, despite his injury/mental-driven FAIL.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

what’s stopping him from keeping Quentin and making someone else the bench? Or making them try out in Spring? He may have been influenced by prior events, but the success of Young was just as much a roadblock for Quentin as was Byrnes.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

CQ only ever played corner OF in the minors.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't mean

that he couldn’t have taken center, or Upton, or Byrnes or whoever. Byrnes did not HAVE to move Quentin, and I’d think he wouldn’t if he was so into him like you claim.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure.

And Chris Snyder could have played 2B for us this season.

….?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

all kinds other hypotheticals that always get thrown out in these types of games, including up to assuming that Quentin would have had an MVP type season for us.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

He did in fact play some games in center in the minors. Just not that much.

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by C. Wesley Baier on Aug 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

I couldn’t find any stats for it, so it must have been in the low minors. Only LF, RF and DH were listed.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to have to make a lot of disagreements with people...

1) Upton – Not THAT much of a disagreement.
2) Parra – This kid is 22, has shown more power than people give him credit for, and is already hitting for work-able average – why does he not have a higher ceiling than league-average (especially if he can use that speed and learn to steal bases at a higher rate)?
3) Co-Jack – I want to see him back on the field and performing at his usual level (last season’s level) before we can immediately say he’s better next season than Parra. Parra gets a full season and off-season of improvement and Conor is bound to have some work to do to return to form. Valley fever/pneumonia/being out for that long is bound to sap your strength and be a detriment to your baseball skills.
4) CY – If he had just next year on his contract and had just gotten through his second year of frustration and suckage, I think you give up on him (a la Yrnes). But since he’s due so much money and it was only one bad season, I think he starts here and gets his chance to beat out Jackson in the event that Jackson doesn’t return to form and CY can.
5) Romero – People putting Romero #4 have a few valid points, but honestly I just think he’s white-hot at the moment, and it’s not something I can see him sustaining. He can be a decent #4 guy, but we have a plethora of OFs, so I think he falls for us as a good #5 guy, especially given his lack of a high ceiling (unlike the top-4).
6) Oeltjen – He’ll be in the majors at the first sign of an injury. Honestly, this kid could be a fifth outfielder in the majors. He’s got the minor-league track record to show that. Not sure how long the contract he signed with us last summer was (just a one-year minor-league deal would be likely), so I could see him going elsewhere as a fifth OF because someone would find a use for him.
7) Yrnes – D. F. A. N. O. W.

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Me: Isn't it Alternative?
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish

I could see Young as being that high, but he’s got a lot to prove right now.

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by soco on Aug 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of by default

For contractual reasons. It’s sad, but it’s true.

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Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that is the truth. The same reason Byrnes will be on the 25 man next year to start pretty much no matter what he does in Spring Training.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt that.

Especially with Hinch as the manager now. I don’t think Yrnes makes the roster out of ST.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that

really going to be his decision or the Other Byrnes? I guess we’ll find out.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably both,

but I feel like Hinch has much less of a connection to Yrnes…. Beric played for BoMel in that great 2007 season, and Hinch was the minor league coordinator, so I think he’s more likely to replace Yrnes with a young guy than Melvin would have been.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

we’d like to hope so, but I think I recall something about Other Byrnes having friction with Melvin over who controlled the team or rosters, or some such thing. I might be misremembering, though.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The example

I remember specifically was Jon Rauch. BoMel wanted to get rid of Rauch (as we all did, thank Jebus we didn’t!) and Byrnes wouldn’t.

That having been said, again, I feel like Rauch is Byrnes’ guy… he made the trade for him and everything? But Yrnes really isn’t. Byrnes was never planning on re-signing him.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

that’s true, but it may come down to what Other Byrnes’ bosses say, and if they want to keep him, then everyone just has to do the Souless Shuffle.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer

the Truffle Shuffle, personally.

I very well may be putting too much faith that it makes a difference who “Byrnes’ guys” are.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Because Yrnes has one year left. He’s going to suck next year. There’s nothing invested, it’s just sunk cost. CY has through 2012 (2013? Is ’13 or ’14 the option year?), and could be valuable then, so we have to do everything we can until then.

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Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

well I just want to say that

I really do hope that CY does get straightened out. Having an OF that can mash, run and play good D is great to have on the squad but that being said he has been on the decline since 2007. I don’t know if it’s injuries, mental or that the bigs are just that tough because of the need to constantly tweak your game.

As for the bench OF group, guys that can play good D, provide speed are more than welcome from my humble POV and based on what we’ve seen thus far, it looks like Upton, Parra and Jackson next year, with Jackson and Parra being the front runners but by no means entrenched in those starting positions. Personally speaking, if Byrnes isn’t getting the job done once he’s healthy, then he’s a goner, and you have to feel that he knows that too.

I also have to say that I enjoy the insight and depth of these conversations, I don’t agree with all of the salient points but the passion and desire that we all have to the club and it’s players is nice and refreshing.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 13, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome to the anti- AZ Central board.

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by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know, right?

At AZCentral, you can only reply like 2 comments deep. Here, you can reply forever!

Wait…. that’s not what you were talking about, was it?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Much

to charmer’s chagrin.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAH.

The OT Police…..

(Jim’s going to revoke my adminship any day now)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooo ooo

pick me pick me!

(Don’t pick me, I’d be worse than you)

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worse than me??

Unpossible!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd

reck havoc.

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

especially with proper spelling, apparently…

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's

how to spell it. You’re making me paranoid, man!

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s “wreak havoc”

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by njjohn on Aug 14, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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by soco on Aug 14, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

you reek! ;-)

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by marionette on Aug 14, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFF

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by soco on Aug 15, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

PWN!

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

All your comment are belong to us

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game Over Man.

My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 17, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Byrnes: He tore both of his hammies last year, ya know. He hasn’t been the same since. Does anyone know anything about recovery times for that? i.e., if he’s healthy in 2010, would he be similar to 2006 and 2007 Byrnes? Or should he have already recovered?

Jackson: Given that we have 7 potential outfielders, that makes 1B possible. I do see Jackson as a nice trade chip though, and probably a steal for any team that gets him. Question though— via arbitration, is it possible that we would pay him less next year than this year?

I see Upton making the OF, with Parra, CY, Byrnes, and Jackson making or not making the starting lineup based on their spring trainings.

I see lots and lots of potential trade chips though… this could be good… or devastating.

by eel on Aug 13, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Arbitration

If it goes to arb, the club’s salary offer cannot be less than 80% of the player’s total compensation from the prior year, so we couldn’t offer less than $2.44m. He won’t get an increase, but I doubt he’ll be in line for much of a pay-cut.

I’m less concerned about Byrnes hamstrings than his age. Even fully healthy, he’ll be three years older and slower than he was in 2007. He simply won’t be as quick.

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by Jim McLennan on Aug 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Byrnes: No

Because it was a fluke. And he’s also old, so he’s slower. And less good than last season. Which is scary to think of.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

not fond of

parra at center, even if he does throw better than young. he just doesn’t match the admittedly high standard that’s been set at the position in the 12 year history.

cojack: losing him, along with hudson (another rare great approach at the plate type), meant more than just a .300 everyday bat. that kind (those kinds) of offensive example(s), coupled with the loss of webb doomed the team. really want to see him back, perhaps splitting his time between left and at first.

lastly, the upton thing has me rather upset. and i’m not talking about idiots calling in on radio, but a surprising number of fans i encounter. saw and heard the same with hudson, yet they loved byrnes…. and augie…. ;-(

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by marionette on Aug 13, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

The same with Hudson?

Maybe Arizonans really DO hate black people…

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll go ahead do Azbombers outfield for him

lf Jackson
CF Byrnes
RF Oeltjen
4th OF Parra
Romero
On another team:Upton and Young

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by C. Wesley Baier on Aug 13, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

"On another team"?

Like, in the NBA?

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by kishi on Aug 13, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

NBA

or a dogfighting ring

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s right! Trade Upton for John Smoltz.

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by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

no quarrell with Justin's stick

just want him to hit the cutoff man more often. As for EB’s hammies, I can say this, my wife ripped her hamstring, I mean tore it from it’s anchor while cycling, the docs told her that while it will heal, they’ll never be the same. From the small amount I understand about sports med, hamstrings can be notoriously balky and if not given the proper amount of time to heal, very easy to reinjure. So while EB has certainly underperformed, perhaps it’s more of a case of him coming back too soon.

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by piratedan7 on Aug 13, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

It seems like he’s been trying to convince himself (since signing the huge contract) that he’s healthier than he is. Hamstrings are really one of the worst things to injure…I think I tweaked one of mine at work the other day and completely aggravated an old injury—an injury I went through 6 months of PT for. I’m pretty sure Yrnes has better trainers than I could have hoped for, and therefore, should have an easier time getting healthy (or healthier).

I knew a lot of people that tried to play through hamstring injuries, and in two cases that I’m sure of, it completely ended their seasons, and in one, ended her softball career.

Just my $.02

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 14, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

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