Your 2010 Arizona Diamondbacks....
Whilst it may be a bit morbid to write off this season before August, common sense suggets that the D-Backs playoff dreams are over for 2009 (stop me if I'm being silly here ;) )
Also with the trade deadline having passed and no other major additions to the roster I thought I'd ask you guys what you envision as the opening day lineup for the D-Backs in 2010?
For the purpose of this we'll assume that Webby is able to be in the rotation (though with no idea what condition)
So would you pick up Webbs option, how about Garlands or Tracy's? is it Mr Allen or Mr Whitesell at 1B? Who closes? would you make any trades or pick up some free agents?
If you prefer why not put 2 lineups, an ideal lineup and a probable one.
I'll try and post mine when I get home from work, but having not been able to watch the team much in the last two months I'm unsure about most of the 'pen!
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rotation
1. Haren
2. Scherzer
3.j.Parker
4.Petit
5. Septimo
Lineup:
1B:Brandon Allen
2B:Pedro ciriaco
3B: Mark Reynolds
C: Miggy
LF: Parra
CF: Young
RF: upton
by terps721 on Jul 31, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Septimo for starter?
He has two pitches…
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by IHateSouthBend on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ciriaco
Is not ready either.
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by IHateSouthBend on Jul 31, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
petit a sp again? blech.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
we could always make him our closer….
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmk fun time
Since we have this dream of competing next season with Garland and Davis, we pick up Garland’s option, re-sign Davis for two years, trade Snyder for a third or fourth starter (which he’s worth), sign a LOOGY, sign another stop-gap 2B (Akinori Iwamura sounds great to me)
Rotation:
1) Dan Haren
2) Miscast 3/4-guy Max Scherzer
3) Third/fourth starter (potentially miscast)
4) Doug Davis
5) Jon Garland
Spot/Injury fill-in – 6) Jarrod Parker – in AAA unless needed, a la what the Sox are doing with Buchholz. I’d hate to see him thrown into the majors before he’s ready and being counted on as a fifth starter, especially if we’re going to put him on an innings cap.
Bullpen:
CL) Chad Qualls
SU) Jon Rauch
MR) Clay Zavada
MR) Juan Gutierrez
MR) Blaine Boyer
MR) Daniel Schlereth
LOOGY) Free Agent/Doug Slaten
LR) Esmerling Vasquez
AAA pitchers of (potential) value – SP Billy Buckner, SP Wes Roemer, SP Bryan Augenstein, SP Yusmeiro Petit, SP Cesar Valdez, RP Leyson Septimo, RP Kyler Newby, RP Jose Marte, RP Leo Rosales, RP Bobby Korecky, RP Doug Slaten.
Lineup:
1) SS Stephen Drew
2) LF Gerardo Parra or 2B Akinori Iwamura/Adam Kennedy
3) RF Justin Upton
4) 3B Mark Reynolds
5) C Miguel Montero
6) CF Chris Young or LF Gerardo Parra
7) 1B Brandon Allen or CF Chris Young
8) 2B Rusty Ryal or 1B Brandon Allen
9) Pitcher
Obviously, all of the “or” options go together. Frankly, I’d like to see Iwamura get signed, and put in the 2-hole, where Flip Lopez probably belonged all season (although it can be argued otherwise due to his stubborn refusal to drive in runs). This would also take a bunch of pressure off of Brandon Allen, who should be our starting 1B from Opening Day onward (or at very least platooning with Conor Jackson), with him being able to slot in eighth next season.
Bench:
IF Ryan Roberts (gets occasional start at 2B, SS, and pinch-hits if Iwamura, gets 1/3 of starts at 2B if Ryal – also, gets injury-replacement starts).
OF/1B Conor Jackson (either platoon with Allen and occasional rare OF start, or solid number of OF starts – regardless, gets all DH starts).
OF Alex Romero (gets a few OF starts in place of either Parra or CY, with Parra shifting to center if CY is getting the day off).
C John Hester (backs up Montero, pinch hits).
AAA position players of (potential) value – MIF Pedro Ciriaco, OF Cole Gillespie, OF Trent Oeltjen, 2B Rusty Ryal (if Iwamura is signed), 1B Sean Couglin.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
You want to re-sign Blaine Boyer? Bleh! Also, why not put Allen fifth in the lineup with Montero after him?
Wear your own fur.
by Sprankton on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. And no.
Blaine Boyer throws 95 with good sink. His ERA is 2.60 since we picked him up. At Chase Field, that isn’t an easy feat. He’s also 28 and can throw multiple innings in a game. I’d love to have Blaine Boyer back.
You want to put a guy just up from AAA at the heart of the order? When Montero is absolutely destroying the baseball? The only way that might make sense is if Allen was a low-power, high-OBP guy so Miggy could slug him in… which is pretty much the opposite of Brandon Allen.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boyer
had a monster BABIP with the Braves. It skewed his ERA abnormally high. He’s returning to the mean since joining the Dbacks and Cards.
He had a BABIP of .630 with the Braves! 6 earned runs in 4 outs… (Yes, that’s OUTS, not innings pitched) then a BABIP of .260 with the Cards and an average-ish BABIP of .289 w/ the Dbacks.
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...
That’s huge. Just unfortunate for the guy. I was actually curious how he’s suddenly been so good for us. Although we’re going to need to play better D for him too (6 unearned runs) to help the public perception of him.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's suddenly been so good for us
because he was never THAT bad with the Braves.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
95 MPH with good sink
Is very impressive…
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yeah,
I don’t think it makes sense to bat BrAllen before Miggy. He oughta go 6th or something.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put him eighth
In order to take the pressure off of him in his rookie season. We have so many good, young bats that I don’t see a need to rush him into the middle of the order.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
a good point. I agree.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
What about your lineup? ;-)
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
your FACE?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately there is no mention of Pigpen
We are stuck with him next season and he has to play since we’re paying him $10 or $12 mil for the season. I think Young is the odd man out next season if he can’t turn it around at the dish before next season. Byrnes will play LF, Parra in CF and Upton in RF.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
by haas on Aug 1, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way in hell EB22 is our
starter in LF next season
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 1, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes is getting cut
We’re not an organization that operates on playing guys just because they’re making money if they continually prove that they’re horrible. We’ve pretty much given up on Byrnes, and he’s getting cut before the end of the season as we let the kids get some PT.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
we fish or cut bait w/ CY next season, but only AFTER giving him every chance to turn himself around.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixin' Time
With the news of Webb’s surgery being a clean-up, and his estimated return being Spring Training ‘10, it seems that, barring any further setbacks (::knock on wood::), we’ll pick up the option. The $6.5M difference between his option salary and his buyout is nothing compared to the salaries free agent starting pitchers are being paid (see: Jon Garland). So that changes things considerably. The lineup/bench remains the same (with the exception that Snyder gets dealt for a second-baseman instead of us signing one in the probable lineup), but the pitching/bullpen is affected by this. Here’s the probable rotation/‘pen, and what I’d like to see (which will surprise people, probably):
Probable:
Rotation:
1) Haren
2) Mis-cast Scherzer
3) DD
4) Garland
5) Webb
SS) Parker (in AAA)
Bullpen – Remains the same.
What I want to see:
Rotation:
1) Dan Haren
2) Doug Davis
3) 3/4 acquired for Snyder
4) Jon Garland
5) Brandon Webb
SS) Jarrod Parker (in AAA)
Bullpen:
CL) Max Scherzer
SU) Chad Qualls
MR) Jon Rauch
MR) Clay Zavada
MR) Daniel Schlereth
MR) Juan Gutierrez
LOOGY) Doug Slaten/FA
LR) Blaine Boyer
Everyone is in their natural, best-fitting roles in this situation. Sounds crazy to de-value the rotation in order to demote your current closer and seventh-inning guys, but think of how great our bullpen would be – this is one of the best in baseball. If you sign a LOOGY instead of using Slaten, there’s not a guy in that bullpen that I’m iffy about sending in in the right situation. Heck, the iffiest, IMO, is Zavadastache, for crying out loud, and we all know what he’s done. Haren wouldn’t always have to go seven to get a win (saving himself to maybe fix his second-half woes), Webb could pitch five or six innings to save his arm as he’s building up strength in the shoulder again, and the 3/4 guy could be a quality start machine who could then hand over games to the bullpen and let them shut down the opposing lineup. It’s better than having Scherzer pitch five or six then having the shaky seventh-inning guy cough it up. Jon Rauch as your seventh-inning man is pretty darn good.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 4, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what sort of 3 do you think we could acquire for snyder?
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 4, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I haven’t bothered to look into that. Give me fifteen minutes. :-P Or maybe later tonight, my brother might come back soon and we’re going to a sports bar to watch Matusz.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when
can you get into a sports bar?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 5, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can get in
It’s just a matter of what I can do when there… I am 6’6’’ so it’s hard to look at me and say “that guy definitely doesn’t belong here.”
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
some sports bars card you though, even during the day. Although when I was at Georgetown, we used to go to Rhino’s to “watch the game”, then once we were inside, we were home free.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 6, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest issue
Is that the teams that Snyder fits for from my Snyder Trade Market piece (Oakland, Texas, Detroit, Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Houston, and Milwaukee) don’t really have decent pitching to offer that is affordable and the quality worth giving up for Snyder. Dempster is an option if they give us a little money and they aren’t fully confident in Soto regaining his form from last season – especially if they re-sign Harden, because they’ll have a ton of pitching and Dempster has had a bit of an off-year, making him fairly expendable. He’d be expensive, but the difference in his and Snyder’s salary is less than what it would cost to sign a pitcher. A wild proposition is for Dice-K if they eat a ton (and I mean a ton) of his salary – not too implausible because they’re looking to deal him. He’s been atrocious this year, but last year he was marvelous. For Boston, Varitek is gone, and Snyder would allow them to be creative with Victor Martinez between C, 1B, and DH, with Youkilis at 1B and as 3B insurance for Lowell.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 4, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dice-K or Dempster would be nice to have.
Haren, Scherzer, eventually Parker, and one of these guys. That’s a damn good rotation.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 4, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster isn't worth what he's paid
He got a contract off of a career year and is slumping pretty mightily. Dice-K just lost it this year. They’re both pretty significant question marks, and you’re trading a pretty sure-thing in Snyder for them. It would be interesting. We’d also have to probably sweeten the package with Boston because we’d be asking them to take on a lot of money.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know both guys are over paid.
I was just pointing out that with one more good pitcher our rotation will be awesome.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 5, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know
And I agree. Especially with news of the Jarrod Parker injury. I was just stating the reason why we’d actually be able to possibly acquire them for Chris Snyder.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I don’t really think I’d want either of them…
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 5, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's kind of a shame
That we couldn’t get a better value for Snyder, but that’s the way it is. We may have to resort to trading him for prospects if the Cubbies don’t want to give up Dempster for a platoon catcher (hard to imagine) and the Sox don’t want to eat like $30M in salary.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dempster is intriguing, dice-k less so. the finances would definitely have to line up, though. i could see the dempster thing being a possibility with randy wells turning up aces for them thus far.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Synder
where is he?
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by PhoenixFly on Aug 10, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traded to the Red Sox
for Buchholz. :-D
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Dice-K and about $30M
Hooray!!!
Scientists have discovered that Jesus did live, and also walked upon water. Evidence is suggesting that Peter asked him he would do for a Klondike Bar.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 10, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!
Dice-K and his ‘Ultimate Galactic Dragon Gyroball Pitch Power Explosion’!!!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I really hope the Red Sox trade Dice-K. Then I could laugh as they get rid of the guy they paid $51 million just to negotiate with.
"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"
by kishi on Aug 10, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could
always just laugh at them and call them “Yankees Lite”, since they have all of… 2 WS titles in the last 92 years?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
But can you ever really have too many reasons to laugh at the Red Sox?
"The conflict is representative of the Darwinian struggle between avians and mammals for dominance."
"Based on Bugs giving Daffy Duck a cigar made out of dynamite?"
by kishi on Aug 10, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their park
is old as shit and falling apart?
There’s another one.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0_o
I LOVE BUCHHOLZ!
until he get runners on base and blows up. but you cant decide who to have a man-crush on…
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by PhoenixFly on Aug 11, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Simmons:
“If we traded Buchholz for Smoak I would run naked through the streets.”
That’s who you have a man-crush on.
Scientists have discovered that Jesus did live, and also walked upon water. Evidence is suggesting that Peter asked him he would do for a Klondike Bar.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 11, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Buchholz is fine, so long as he’s pitching a no-hitter.. ;-)
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ALL
SHUSH
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by PhoenixFly on Aug 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my stab
1) Drew SS
2) Jackson LF
3) Upton RF
4) Reynolds 2B
5) Montero 3B
6) Allen 1B
7) Parra CF
8) Snyder C
Bench
1) Young
2) Whitesell
3) Ryal
4) Hester
5) Byrnes
Rotation
1) Haren
2) Scherzer
3) Davis
4) Some crafty veteran FA
5) Parker
Bullpen
CL) Qualls
SU) Rauch
7th) Gutierrez
LOOGY) Zavada
LR) Petit
MR) Boyer
MR) Vasquez
The key factor is moving Reynolds to second, of course. It plugs a hole, lets us get both Montero and Snyder into the line-up and means we don’t need to spend any money on a free agent, so can use that to bolster the rotation instead, re-sign Davis, etc.
I look at that roster and feel pretty good about it, actually, even without Webb. I’d rather Byrnes was not part of it, but the chances of convincing anyone else to take him seem slim.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Aug 1, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have just one major bone to pick with you:
While I disagree with all of the position changes, I can live with them. My biggest issue here though is that Zavada is relegated to being a LOOGY, when he’s got the ability to get right-handed hitters out, and the fact that Byrnes is still on the roster. Simply DFA’ing Byrnes will allow us to have another spot in the bullpen to get a good LOOGY who is more toxic to lefties than Zavada, and lets us utilize Zavada’s ability to get out righties.
Putting Jackson in LF and Parra in CF makes me sad because CY isn’t getting everyday work and I still am the one human being optimistic about him, but it’s honestly probably better – on the condition that Jackson can still perform when he comes back from over half a year without baseball.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with having Young as our backup outfielder is, can he play LF or RF? Eric can at least cover you at any other position. Not aware of CY having experience at any other slots.
Yeah, I envisage Zavada as a super-LOOGY, who can be used for an entire inning, focused on the left-handed batters, but able to deal with righties if necessary.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Aug 1, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.....
the uber-LOOGY idea has certainly worked well this season for Scott Schoeneweis….
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be because
Schoeneweis has been clinically unable to get RHB out for the past three seasons. He should only be used as a strict LOOGY – there’s absolutely nothing uber- about him.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Aug 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
UBER-PWNAGE!??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think CY can handle it
Because he’s got the range to his left or his right, but the arm strength might be questionable, I’ll admit. If not, CY can make a start in CF and Parra can move to LF too. Because Upton’s not going to be taking days off…
And isn’t that basically making him a middle reliever? What about the situation where you have one left-handed slugger in the midst of a plethora of righties, and lefties later on in the lineup? The left-handed middle reliever is best used for the latter situation, but the lefty sitting there in the middle is a huge threat. I just think a left-handed one-out guy is too important to try to toy with the idea.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA'ing Byrnes?
The team is not going to eat his contract just for the purpose of dropping him from the team. They have invested too much money on him to just let him go—-unfortunately. The Dbacks do not have the financial backing like the the big market teams—-NY, LA, Boston. Therefore, Byrnes will be here next season, his final one thankfully.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
by haas on Aug 1, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. And thank goodness too.
Everything that we’re hearing from the organization is that he’ll be outright cut before the end of the season. There’s no reason to play a guy if he’s got a negative VORP, regardless of the amount of money invested in him. The rest of this season is being used as a chance to play young kids, and Byrnes does not qualify as that.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russ Ortiz
begs to differ.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA'ing Byrnes
Byrnes would be DFA worthy if one of two things were in place:
1) we had a 5th OF who could hit substantially better than he can (Romero is a better hitter, but not by that much).
2) Byrnes lost a significant step in the OF or on the basepaths. Right now (if he’s healthy), he’s at least an asset in both of those areas.
"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an asset?
how about just an ass in both of those areas? I mean seriously, how many other OFers flip and flop their way around the outfield during a game?
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 1, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a better OF than Romero or any other AAA’er, and has more speed. it’s not as though we’re not giving Carlos Gonzalez a chance at the show.
"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 2, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Eric Byrnes is not better than Alex Romero
He has a slightly worse OPS in limited time this season, and is a greater injury risk. The injury risk is not worth keeping him there for his better defense (aside from the front-flips and dropping balls over the wall). Trent Oeltjen is playing well in AAA too. We have guys with more upside, that aren’t on the decline (remember that Byrnes is 33), and have a better chance of staying healthy than Byrnes on the 40-man roster. So why not free up Byrnes’ spot for extra Rule 5 draft protection?
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m no eb apologist, but i respectfully disagree. the very fact that eb is injury prone is the reason to leave him on the roster. romero will get his ab’s.
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by njjohn on Aug 2, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the 40-man roster?
And the Rule 5 Draft?
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s fair enough. i guess i’d want to wait and see who we can’t protect in the rule 5 to see if it’s worth it. you might be right. i’m always an advocate of not wasting rule 5 protection on declining vets.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I see needing to happen with the 40-man Roster
Removed:
SP Brandon Webb
RP Tom Gordon
RP Scott Schoenweis
C Luke Carlin
IF Augie Ojeda
1B/3B Chad Tracy
Added:
SP Jarrod Parker
RP Scott Maine
C John Hester
OF Cole Gillespie
OF Trent Oeltjen
2B Rusty Ryal
These are minimums, IMO. As it is here, it works out well, but if we want to add more, then Byrnes might be next in line to be removed.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks pretty solid.
I like it.
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 3, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
refresh my memory— how many years of minor league service until you have to protect in the 40 man roster? how many of the above players fall into that camp?
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 3, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Parker
was just a draft pick in 2007, and I don’t recall offhand the rules, but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t need to be protected YET.
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by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was what i was figuring. my hunch is that one or two others on that list don’t need protection yet either.
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by njjohn on Aug 4, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be on the major-league roster though at some point in the season
So that automatically puts him on the 40-man.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 4, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he doesn’t have to be put on the 40 man until that happens. a roster move can be made at that point.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 4, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes is hated by the fans
And can’t stay healthy. There’s no reason to keep a guy on the 40-man roster with those two attributes unless he can perform, and he can’t. We need the 40-man roster for Rule 5 Draft protection in the Winter, and Byrnes is dead weight. Gone before the season ends.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes
is hated by “the fans”?
Which fans, exactly, are you talking about? Because we’re not exactly your typical average Dbacks fans…
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think the frustration has mounted with pretty much everybody. Aside from the few awesome surfer guys who think Byrnes’ show is rad, I have a hard time believing anybody likes this guy. Maybe it’s just me though.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mrssoco and I would disagree with you.
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by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 5, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
You can support him because of the one good year he did have, but do you really believe he’s much of an asset when he can’t get on base to save his life?
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2006 season
wasn’t bad, either.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one good year he did have in Arizona*
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction: the one good year he did have in Arizona.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further Correction:
The better of his two decent years in Arizona.
There…
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I DO gotta give the guy mad props for his 2007.
I mean, the 20 HRs 50 SBs thing? Rickey Henderson-esque.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 6, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone does
And we did – hen it was 2007. You don’t get a career pass in sports for a good season or two, you have to keep it up or you’re going to find yourself unemployed.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 6, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know, don't worry.
You know it’s true. Just look @ your signature.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 6, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of moving Montero to third.
But I don’t see Arizona moving him for third.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the overall value of Montero's bat would depreciate.
Reynolds’ bat would be sexy at 2B, but the D even more questionable. It just seems that for as much as it makes the roster mesh, it leaves performance questions.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Reynolds' defense would be 'even more questionable'
You get rid of all those errors – and there’s been a lot of them – on the long throws across the diamond to first. And his undoubted athleticism would seem to make him a decent fit for the position. There’s no question about his range, it’s his arm that’s been problematic – last night’s embarrassing gaffe excepted!
Of course, Montero might be even worse, based on his throws down to second, but his arm does seem to have improved with regular playing-time.
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by Jim McLennan on Aug 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I think of Reynolds,
I think good arm strength, poor throw accuracy. When I think of good second-baseman, I think mediocre-to-poor arm strength, great throw accuracy. It just doesn’t seem to mesh well. Reynolds is improving at third, don’t tinker with it.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't take much talent to throw from second to first.
I can do that and I would say half the people on this blog can too.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 1, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranging right and throwing across your body towards first, or turning a quick double-play?
These are the types of accurate throws required. I’m not confident in Reynolds’ ability to make them. Most 3B throws are with momentum towards the bag, either standing up off of a dive then setting yourself, or already ranging left.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Mark Reynolds playing second then
playing third. He’s not going to make as many bad plays at second as he is right now at third. He’s not going to be Orlando Hudson, but I think he will at least be average.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 2, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh.
According to Bill James defensive spectrum second is more difficult than third.
When I was playing (obviously, it was softball, and not nearly as high a level as MLB), I pitched and played the corners. I could NOT play second base, ever.
Also, if you move Reynolds to second (almost as bad an idea as moving Upton to second), who are you going to get at third that can make some of the ridiculous plays that Reynolds makes pretty consistently?
by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 2, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See below
Not every corner infielder can, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be tried. It would solve multiple problems as far as roster construction goes: who plays second, what to do with Montero. As also noted, Reynolds is actually below average at 3B.
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by Jim McLennan on Aug 2, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are not that many third basemen that can make
the great diving plays that Reynolds makes, but there are a lot of routine plays that Reynolds doesn’t make that almost all other third basemen make. He deserves a chance to play second, if it works, great, if not, then we know. We are not going anywhere this season, so why not see if he can play second?
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 3, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think it’s fair to move him there mid-season. he at least deserves a chance to work at it in the off-season if they move him.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 3, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
if we think we have a chance to compete next season, then it makes more sense to start experimenting with it THIS season.
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand what you’re saying, but you don’t want to put a mlb player in a situation where he’s going to be embarrassed. pride has to play a factor.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 4, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why
is CY still on the big league roster?
I disagree. If he’s a professional, there shouldn’t be any accounting for his “feelings”.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but those feelings do affect a player’s play and that does matter.
"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 4, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jebus Christ....
are we talking about a baseball team, or a knitting circle??
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-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 5, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A knitting circle.
Obv. Where have you been. What’s this “baseball” you speak of?
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you think a player’s psyche has no impact on his performance?
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're talking about position changes, though
Not demotions. They’re adults, they should be able to handle it.
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘should’ doesn’t equal ‘will’
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 5, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they can't
Then how will they be expected to handle professional baseball for years to come? I don’t think that’s the kind of guy you want on the roster if he’s not willing to play different positions if it helps the club win. That’s just selfish.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 5, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was
pretty much what I was trying to get to. If a guy feels sad because he can’t play another position on the diamond, why the Hell is he in the majors??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 6, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it might help considerably
if we don’t have the scrub of the month club manning 1B
leave Mark at 3B, why mess with him, leave Montero and Snyder where they are, they compliment each other. Bring up Ryal or find another 2b in free agency, it’s not as if you can’t find someone suitable. It’s not as if you can find slugging 3b’s on trees. Get someone like Matt Williams to spend more time with the kid in the spring, see if you can work some things out.
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by piratedan7 on Aug 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on the accuracy
You need to be less accurate, because you are throwing half the distance. Simple math, really – there’s more margin for error. There seem a contradiction too, when you say second basemen have mediocre-to-poor arm strength, but then say they have to turn a quick double-play, or throw across their body to first. Arm strength is definitely a factor in both of those.
Some corner infielders would not translate well to 2B – I can’t see Adam Dunn or Chad Tracy playing the position. But Reynolds’ reflexes and agility would seem to make him more than credible there. Hey, if Craig Counsell can play there… Between 1B and 3B, he is still on pace to make 26 or 27 errors this season; and his UZR isn’t exactly ablaze [2008, -3.7 vs. -4.1 this season to date]. I’d say give it a shot the rest of the year, see what happens.
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by Jim McLennan on Aug 2, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arm strength in comparison to your average 3B
Is mediocre-to-poor. Throwing across the diamond requires more arm strength than from second. My main point accuracy-wise was that 2B have to throw to first going in multiple different directions. 3B usually are headed towards 1B when they make their throws, allowing them to be more accurate. The exceptions are on bunts down the 1B line (which Reynolds blows at) and line drives down the line that are thrown on a jump away from the 1B that appear on SportsCenter, and which can just as easily be performed by setting yourself and then throwing while going towards 1B. 2B often have to throw going away from the first baseman, going into right field, charging in and making glove flips, etc. I guess I just don’t trust Reynolds with those.
Also, I don’t think of “quick transition from glove to throw” when I think of Reynolds in the middle of a double-play sequence. I think more along the lines of “bobble and consequent fielder’s choice.”
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll give it a go
(what I want, not what I think is going to happen)
not much original here… more a combination of some of the previous suggestions:
1) Drew SS
2) Jackson LF
3) Upton RF
4) Reynolds 3B
5) Montero C
6) Allen 1B
7) Parra CF
8) Ryal 2B
Bench
1) Young
2) Romero
3) Roberts
4) Hester
5) Byrnes
Rotation
1) Haren
2) Scherzer
3) Davis
4) Garland
5) Parker
Bullpen
CL) Qualls
SU) Rauch
7th) Gutierrez
LOOGY) Zavada
LR) Petit
MR) Boyer
MR) Vasquez
In the offseason, then, I’d like to see us: 1) re-sign Davis; 2) pull trigger on Garland option; 3) trade Snyder. If by some miracle the prognosis for Webb looks favorable then obviously you do that as well and Parker gets to come up with the first injury.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too many OFs
Whitesell instead of Romero.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with both of you
A true LOOGY instead of Byrnes, Zavada to MR.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Zavada gets wasted by being used as a LOOGY.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
2010 2B Free Agents:
Ronnie Belliard (35)
Jamey Carroll (36)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Mark DeRosa (35)
David Eckstein (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Orlando Hudson (32)
Akinori Iwamura (31) – $4.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Adam Kennedy (34)
Felipe Lopez (30)
Mark Loretta (38)
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Placido Polanco (34)
Freddy Sanchez (32) – $8MM club option with a $600K buyout; vests with 600 PAs
Juan Uribe (31)
3B FA’s:
Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Adrian Beltre (31)
Geoff Blum (37)
Aaron Boone (37)
Craig Counsell (39)
Joe Crede (32)
Pedro Feliz (35) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Chone Figgins (32)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Troy Glaus (33)
Mike Lamb (34)
Melvin Mora (38) – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Robb Quinlan (33)
Juan Uribe (31)
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the guys I’m drawn to on that list are Iwamura, Lopez, Beltre, and Glaus. In my mind if we really loved a 3B over a 2B that would be worth shifting Reynolds. As it is, I like the 2B probably as much if not a bit more (in terms of fit with our club) than the 3B, so I’d keep Reynolds where he is.
"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 1, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rays aren't keeping Iwamura
Zobrist broke out, and Iwamura’s had injury problems. We could get him dirt-cheap, and if he worked out he’d be a great slap-style 2-hitter, a glorified-Romero. Give him $2-3M and start him there everyday. Glaus isn’t the contact-hitter we could really use. Neither is Beltre, although his D is intriguing. However, Beltre will probably come with too hefty of a price-tag. Flip would be fun again. : P
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My lineup
Likely lineup:
1. Drew SS
2. Jackson 1B
3. Upton RF
4. Reynolds 3B
5. Montero C
6. Parra CF
7. Free Agent 2B
8. Byrnes LF
In the likely lineup, I have the team trading Snyder this offseason. Hopefully Jackson can return to form since he contracted the plague. i also have them adding another 2B. I’m not sure who will be available. Also, I think Byrnes will have to play. he’s getting paid way too much to be a bench player and the team is not going to just drop him. Hopefully he can turn it around next year. Most noteably, I have Young on the bench next year. He plays great defense but his bat is non-existent and he has no plate discipline.
Wishful lineup:
1. Drew SS
2. Jackson LF
3. Upton RF
4. Reynolods 2B
5. Montero 3B
6. Young CF
7. Snyder C
8. Allen 1B
On my wishful lineup I have the team keeping Snyder C and moving Monterro to 3B. That would move Reynolds to 2B (which he was drafted as a middle infielder) and bringing up Allen to play 1B. On the bench I have Parra and Byrnes this time. Of course this is a wishful lineup so young would be a productive player.
Most noteable omissions from the 2010 lineup:
Tracy—I think the team will do the right thing and buy him out for $1mil instead of agreeing to the team option for $7mil.
Whitesell—he has not shown me anything that would want me to keep him on the team. He has decent plate discipline, but he has not produced anything with the playing time.
Rotation:
1. Webb
2. Haren
3. Scherzer
4. Garland
5. Parker/FA
I think the team will keep Webb’s option for next year barring any news we have not found out about his arm. i also think this will be Davis’ last season here. he will go elsewhere. I also think the team will add another pitcher only if they switch the positions around without adding a 2B. This would allow more money to be spent on pitching. It would also keep Parker down one more season to mature.
Bullpen:
CL—Qualls
Setup—Rauch
7th—Gutierrez
MR—Zavada
MR—Boyer
MR—Vasquez
LR—Petit/Buckner
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
by haas on Aug 1, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The team is dropping Byrnes
They’re beyond the whole “paying him so much that we can’t drop him” thing. He is of no value to the team, when the guys on the bench behind him (and even in AAA) are better players overall.
Parra isn’t going to be on the bench – he’s been hitting as high as 2nd, and only as low as 6th. He’s got remarkable ability and potential. Benching him only hurts us.
Webb’s arm isn’t recovering as it should be, as noted in recent updates from the organization. Davis is more likely to stay than Garland – the chance he re-signs/extends is greater than the chance Garland picks up his half of the mutual option.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After some intensive thinking
This is what I’ve got…
Lineup:
1. SS Stephen Drew
2. LF Gerardo Parra or Conor Jackson
3. RF Justin Upton
4. 3B Mark Reynolds
5. C Miguel Montero
6. 1B Brandon Allen or Conor Jackson
7. CF Chris Young
8. 2B a. Rusty Ryal
b. Free Agent (Ideally Mark DeRosa)
c. 2B acquired via Chris Snyder trade
Bench:
- OF/1B Jackson/ Parra/ Allen (Varies per above lineup)
- C John Hester or, if not traded, Chris Snyder
- INF Ryan Roberts
- OF Eric Byrnes
- INF Mark DeRosa/ Rusty Ryal
The lineup takes a bit of a shuffle compared to some of the others posted earlier. I’ve conceded batting Allen before Montero and placed him sixth instead. I’d also keep Young in CF while platooning Parra and Jackson in LF. Second base is, undoubtedly, one of the biggest question marks for 2010. I’m going to stick with Ryal making the opening day squad while swapping starts with a “crafty veteran.” I took a shot in the dark and guessed that DeRosa will end up being the guy. I’m also going with a few other fellows here and guessing that Byrnes will remain a D-Back.
Rotation:
1) Dan Haren
2) Max Scherzer
3) Doug Davis
4) Free Agent (Options listed below)
5) Jarrod Parker or Bryan Augenstein
I would really prefer to have Parker start the year in AAA but I can picture him being pushed up to fill the back of the rotation for ‘10. If not, I wouldn’t mind seeing Augenstein take the spot. As for the number four starter, I don’t see the Diamondbacks paying Garland $10 million. Potential free agents to fill his spot:
a. Tim Wakefield (unlikely)
b. Rich Harden (unlikely)
c. Chris Capuano (meh)
d. Mark Hendrickson (meh)
e. Josh Fogg (meh)
Bullpen:
CL) Chad Qualls
SU) Jon Rauch
JAT*) Clay Zavada
MR) Juan Gutierrez
MR) Esmerling Vasquez
MR) Daniel Schlereth or Leo Rosales
LR) Yusmeiro Petit
* Jack of All Trades
Along with Parker, Schlereth is borderline to be on the opening day roster. Unless he does some serious business in the spring and/or winter competition I don’t expect to see him come April. Zavada is the (mustachioed) man of the bullpen. Consider him your seventh inning guy, your LOOGY, and your aforementioned Uber-Loogy.
Wear your own fur.
by Sprankton on Aug 2, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Methinks people are undervaluing a good LOOGY
It’s currently Boston’s biggest problem, and it scares me that they have this problem. If they’d gone out and gotten a guy who could be what Scott Eyre is to the Phillies, they’d be so much better off. There’s some intriguing stuff here though, so it’s opinion-spilling time (because it’s 1:35 and I’m in California with PhoenixFly and a guy who won’t stop moping and being a debbie downer and who is probably asleep).
1) Blaine Boyer > Esmerling Vasquez, IMHO. This is certainly up for debate though. Although he’s definitely better than Rosales, if you go that route (but Schlereth is a different situation, as he is good and left-handed).
2) Those are some depressing pitching options. Wakefield will stay in Boston forever. Harden gets hurt a lot, and that’s not what we need after this season’s injury struggles with Webb. Then you have the sucktastic trio of Hendrickson, Capuano (really?), and Fogg. Joel Pineiro is also a FA though, and if we go the FA route to get a starter (and not the Snyder-trade route) I think he’d be a really really good fit as a ground-ball producer. Not sure how he adjusts to not having Dave Duncan though. Other options I like a little better are Justin Duchscherer, Randy Johnson (I went there – he’s still better than Capuano/Hendrickson/Fogg), and Brad Penny (poetic justice that he returns? I think so).
3) If we have to choose between Parker and a current AAA guy, that AAA guy will be Buckner or Cesar Valdez. I hope Cesar Valdez. I’m ready to see the guy get a chance – we’ve seen what everybody else does.
4) Mark DeRosa is interesting. However, something tells me we may not have the money to get him. Plus he could always use a left-handed platoon-mate if we’re going to give him the 2B job, and Ryal bats right. A rising Ryal does pretty much the same as a declining DeRosa. We could use a decent-to-fringy, low-cost lefty for that – Craig Counsell!!! I’d dig it.
5) Doesn’t everyone think that the roster spot can be used for someone better than Eric Byrnes? Doesn’t a LOOGY help? Isn’t Alex Romero better? Can we hire a hitman for vengeance against Jeff Moorad? Do I really really really want to have something better to do with my time than be on SnakePit (no offense… you all know I love this place) on vacation? I think the answers to all of these questions is yes.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 2, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't understand why everyone is so quick to think Webb is gone
At the prices for quality pitchers on today’s market, I think he’s back next year. I don’t see the club as changing much to next year tbh, because when your starting LF, 1B and #1 in the rotation go down in month number 1, it means that the season is pretty much shot. You add to it that CY had an epic down year and that’s all she wrote.
Next year Jackson is back and he’s supplanting either Whitesell at 1B (most likely) or Byrnes in LF (less likely). I think Eric has lost his job to Parra barring a spring miracle. CY’s job is up for grabs and will see a healthy competition from guys in the system and others looking to hang on or catch on. 2B is up for grabs, Ryal should have a shot, but so will Roberts, depending upon his play ffor the rest of the year. Someone new wouldn’t be out of the question either.
I see the competition being hard for the 1B spot between Jackson, Allen and Whitsell, maybe Allen wins it and CoJack goes to LF. This may mean that Parra and CY battle for the CF position. 2B is open audition time.
The Rotation will stay the same with Webb coming back (all reports indicate that he should be ready around TC time) and the bullpen having an open competition for who handles the long relief gig. I think Rauch and Qualls and perhaps Guitierrez are the only guys who have any kind of slack next year.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
by piratedan7 on Aug 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With the news that it was just a cleanup, and not a torn labrum surgery
Yeah, Webb comes back. That changed it from two-to-three months of Webb to a full season of Webb. I need to fix mine…
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 4, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My lineup would be
1b. Allen.
2b. Reynolds or free agent or trade Snyder for someone.
SS. Drew.
3b. Reynolds or free agent or trade Snyder for someone.
LF. Jackson.
CF. Parra.
RF. Upton.
C. Montero.
Rotation, not in any particular order.
Haren
Scherzer
Davis
Webb, with Miley or Augenstein waiting to replace him if he goes down again.
Free Agent or trade Snyder for someone.
Because this is Arizona.
by damdrs1717 on Aug 5, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Real Deal - 2010 Post-season Team
I realize I may get a lot of negative comments, but this is what I would like to see as a franchise-long season ticket holder who is a die-hard fan… I also don’t want to give up on everyone – one bad and/or injury plagued season does not mean you are done… See players like Tommy John and more recently Victor Martinez.
Link for 2010 free agents:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html
Lineup:
1) #Chone Figgins, 2B (great speed and has played over 100 games at 2B in career)
2) *Stephen Drew, SS
3) Justin Upton, RF (hope this oblique thing is no big deal)
4) Mark Reynolds, 3B
5) *Brandon Allen, 1B (Jackson vs. Lefties)
6) Connor Jackson, LF (Parra vs. Righties)
7) Chris Young, CF (all he needs is an off-season)
8) *Miguel Montero / Chris Snyder, C (need 2 strong ca
Key Bench:
C – that day’s non-starter
Util – Ryan Roberts
OF – *Trent Oeltjen
Other – *Allen, *Parra, or Jackson
Other – Good veteran pinch hitter
*left handed, #switch hitter
Rotation:
1) Dan Haren
2) Max Scherzer (Webb by mid-late season)
3) Doug Davis (okay, 1 more year)
4) Brad Penny (could have resurgence w/ original team)
5) Bryan Augenstein or Jarrod Parker or ??? (only needed until Webb comes back)
Bullpen (liked from above):
CL – Chad Qualls
SU – Jon Rauch
MR – Juan Gutierrez
MR – Clay Zavada
MR – Daniel Schlereth
MR – Esmerling Vasquez
LR – Yusmeiro Petit or Augenstein or Buckner
Add to coaching staff or management in some capacity:
- Tony Clark
- Luis Gonzalez
Maybe one of these guys could replace Chip Hale… I like him because he is a U of A alum, but he makes some really questionable decisions.
by The Cube on Aug 7, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
to the Snakepit!
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by DbacksSkins on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts, though.
1. Figgy is likely to be re-signed by Anaheim.
2. I’m not sure how much longer the Scherzer in the rotation experiment will be.
3. Brad Penny won’t be signed by the Dbacks, and I’m not sure I’d want him.
4. Parker is probably having Tommy John surgery. He won’t be throwing again until late next year.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to repond to his
But I would basically have been saying the same exact things. Figgins isn’t going to AZ. Schzerer in the rotation is getting scarier by the start. Penny would have to revert to his hardcore ground-ball days of LA, which have not been there in Boston, in order to be successful at Chase. Parker’s probably iffy. That means Webb/Petit/Augenstein/Valdez/Buckner could fight for three spots – which scares me, and is why I think we need to trade for a #3. Also, no Blaine Boyer? I like him over Esmerling Vasquez – look at the numbers since joining the D-Backs. He has the good sink on his fastball that is needed for Chase Field.
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IHateSouthBend for the 100th time
“C’MON PEOPLE HE HAS SINK ON HIS FASTBALL”
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
by PhoenixFly on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOL'd.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mer
You’re right…. Wow.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 13, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy,
I’d love to somehow land Figgins on this team. Don’t know how it would happen though.
by Azreous on Aug 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Maybe he hears we supported him in the All Star last man vote, decides we’re good people, and signs up at a discount?
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by kishi on Aug 7, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
this happens.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 7, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three years, $2M
Sounds fair. :-P
Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
he meant for Figgy, but…
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uncool.
And no – Beric deserves no three-year contract. I wouldn’t give him a big-league contract for three years and $57. Just taking up a 40-man roster spot…
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by IHateSouthBend on Aug 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps this deserves its own fanpost, but i'll keep it here for now...
Nick Piecoro posted this on his latest blog post:
The 2010 payroll post
Last month, Diamondbacks Managing General Partner Ken Kendrick said the team’s payroll will not be going down next season. This year’s payroll will end up being about $73 million.
With that in mind — and with several question marks for 2010 — let’s look at how the payroll projects for next year, position by position.
Catcher
Chris Snyder: $4.75 million
Miguel Montero: $1.5 million*
First base
Brandon Allen: $400,000
Second base
Shortstop
Stephen Drew: $4 million*
Third base
Mark Reynolds: $525,000
Outfield
Conor Jackson: $3.05 million*
Gerardo Parra: $410,000
Justin Upton: $450,000
Bench
Chris Young: $3.25 million
Eric Byrnes: $11.67 million
Ryan Roberts: $410,000
Starting pitchers
1 Dan Haren: $8.25 million
2 Max Scherzer: $1.475 million
3
4
5 Homegrown pitcher: $420,000
6 Jarrod Parker: $400,000
Relievers
Chad Qualls: $4.5 million*
Jon Rauch: $2.9 million
Juan Gutierrez: $410,000
Esmerling Vasquez: $408,000
Clay Zavada: $408,000
Buyouts
Brandon Webb: $2 million
Chad Tracy: $1 million
Jon Garland: $2.5 million
Total: $53.5 million
Under contract: Snyder, Young, Byrnes, Haren, Rauch.
- - denotes guesses on what they will earn in arbitration
Also: The guys with 0-3 years of experience have their salaries determined by the club, which uses a formula to determine what they get paid. The numbers listed above for those players also are just guesses.
We’re leaving second base open, assuming the club decides it wants to pursue a full-time option either via trade or free agency. Another possibility is to find a platoon partner for Roberts, who hits left-handed pitching well.
They’ll need another bench player, whether it be bringing back Augie Ojeda or finding a similar player.
We’re leaving two spots open in the starting rotation and listing "Homegrown pitcher" for the fifth spot, assuming they can do next year what they’ve done this year, plugging in whoever is throwing best from their minor leagues. Possible candidates: Billy Buckner, Yusmeiro Petit, Cesar Valdez, Bryan Augenstein, Barry Enright, Hector Ambriz and Daniel Cabrera (?).
The Webb situation, of course, is the most interesting. When healthy, the guy has finished in the top two in Cy Young voting each of the past three seasons. But how confident will the Diamondbacks be that he’ll be able to return to form next year?
If they decide they don’t want to pick up his $8.5 million option for 2010, will they try to renegotiate and give him an incentive-laden deal a la John Smoltz or Mark Mulder? (That’s what we’re guessing the club tries to do.)
For now, we’re listing the $2 million buyout because that’s the minimum they will spend. We’re listing $2.5 million for Jon Garland’s buyout, although it could be $1 million, depending on who wants what. And it’s also possible he comes back for 2010 at $10 million, but we doubt that.
As for Parker, even if he’s healthy next year, we understand the club wants to bring him along conservatively, sort of how the Braves did with Tommy Hanson, who was promoted to the big leagues in early June. So that’s why we’re calling Parker the No. 6.
In the bullpen, there are two open slots, but we wouldn’t be surprised if left-hander Daniel Schlereth pitches his way into one of those spots in the final two months of this season.
So the way we see it, the club will need to go out and get a second baseman, a utility infielder, two starting pitchers and, most likely, at least one bullpen arm. If the payroll is going to be in the $70 million-$75 million range, they’re going to have a little bit to play with.
(Keep in mind, we’re leaving off the rest of the 40-man roster, which factors into the club’s payroll. Those extra 15 guys typically cost another $2 million or so.)
They might have even more if they trade catcher Chris Snyder, which it sounds like they might try to do now that Miguel Montero has emerged as an everyday option.
But if Mark Reynolds qualifies for arbitration as a Super 2 player, his salary would go from the $500,000 range into the $4 million to $5 million range, most likely.
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by njjohn on Aug 12, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
an initial response
As normal, Piecoro’s D-Backs knowledge is a cut above. He rightly pegs Allen for a starting job at 1B, rightly assumes we’ll pull the trigger on the Rauch option, includes the appropriate buy outs, and even points out that Reynolds may well fit as a Super 2 arb player (look here for an explanation of the complicated process).
A few quibbles, though.
1) I doubt Parker will be (or even should be) on the starting day roster given his injury set back. He may make it up mid-year, but I definitely wouldn’t want to count on it.
2) As I’ve stated b/f I think Garland’s option is a slam dunk to pick up.
3) Assuming the news about Webby is even reasonably accurate his option is also a slam dunk to pick up.
4) The youngsters (Roberts, Ryal) are making a compelling case that the 2B job ought to belong to them.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 12, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cash implications
so, what I’m suggesting is this:
Catchers:
Chris Snyder: $4.75 million
Miguel Montero: $1.5 million*
First base
Brandon Allen: $400,000
Second base
Rusty Ryal: $400,000
Shortstop
Stephen Drew: $4 million*
Third base
Mark Reynolds: $535,000
Outfield
Conor Jackson: $3.05 million*
Gerardo Parra: $410,000
Justin Upton: $450,000
Bench
Chris Young: $3.25 million
Trent Oeltjen: $400,000
Ryan Roberts: $410,000
Starting pitchers
1 Dan Haren: $8.25 million
2 Max Scherzer: $1.475 million
3 Jon Garland: $10 million
4 Brandon Webb: $8.5 million
5/6 Petit/Bucker/Augustein: $420,000×2
Relievers
Chad Qualls: $4.5 million*
Jon Rauch: $2.9 million
Juan Gutierrez: $410,000
Esmerling Vasquez: $408,000
Clay Zavada: $408,000
Buyouts
Chad Tracy: $1 million
Total: $67.5 million
* – denotes guesses on what they will earn in arbitration
So, the difference between my lineup and Piecoro’s is $13.5M — that buys me Webb and Garland. But, I also don’t have any holes in my lineup. Furthermore, what I’d want to do is re-sign DD (and I think we can do that in the $6-8M/year range) which would leave us right around the $73 we sat at this year. If SpecialK gets Super 2 then we’re sitting closer to $78.
The question is, do you think you can get better value with +/- $13M on 2 SP + a 2B or with Garland/Webb and Roberts/Ryal. I prefer the second (again, assuming the reports on Webb are correct). I think to get any SP that’s a significant upgrade over Garland you’re going to shoot the wad right there and then you’re left without Garland and Webb and you have to man 2B with the youngsters anyway.
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-- Bruce Catton
by njjohn on Aug 12, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's
a lot of information here. I’d definitely repost it as a FanPost. Start a discussion on the 2010 budget.
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by DbacksSkins on Aug 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright… will do
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by njjohn on Aug 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2010 Arizona Diamondbacks
Line-Up
C: Miguel Montero
1B: Brandon Allen
2B: Mark DeRosa
SS: Stephen Drew
3B: Mark reynolds
LF: Connor Jackson
CF: Gerardo Parra (RHP)/ Chris Young (LHP)
RF: Justin Upton
Rotation
1) Dan Haren
2) Brandon Webb
3) Max Scherzer
4) 3/4 starter acquired for Chris Snyder
5) Billy Buckner
*Jarrod Parker promoted in June
Bullpen
Cl) Esmerling Vasquez
SU) Chad Qualls
SU) John Rauch
MR) Daniel Schlereth
MR) Juan Guttierez
MR) Blaine Boyer
L) Leyson Septimo
by JUPTON10 on Aug 14, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mer.
Septimo’s a stretch readiness-wise. DeRosa’s expensive. Right ideas, though.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 14, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Clay Zavada?
Chopped liver?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Aug 14, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
So just realized this.
My brother: Did you see the genre of this song [Wake Up by Arcade Fire]?
Me: Isn't it Alternative?
My brother: No, it was funeral. Most depressing thing ever. I s*** you not. Go look it up.
Me: ::checks iTunes:: That's the album title.
by IHateSouthBend on Aug 14, 2009 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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