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Is Anyone Fixing My Team?


I'll ask the question again....Is anyone fixing the Diamondbacks?  This is 'moving month' and as far as I can see there should be bags packed and buses waiting.  We've all been living with the promise of potential and hearing about the maturation process for our younger players, but enough is enough.  It's time to hit or get off the pot.  So, just in case these blogs are read by the Diamondback management group, here are a few tidbits from a life-long baseball fan based upon what I've seen so far this year.

Justin Upton - NIce kid.  Good family.  Above average athlete.  He's been compared to the greats in terms of potential but realizing that potential may take longer than we can afford.  In my mind, a towering 460 ft. home run in a losing effort simply does not excuse sloppy play on defense.  This kid is no outfielder.  He has a cannon for an arm but is fundamentally flawed when it comes to hitting the cut off guy or throwing to the proper base.  He gets fooled even in his own ballpark when it comes to chasing down fly balls, going to the wall, or trying to pick a ball off as it bounces out of the corner.  Wrong place, wrong time.  And then he tries to make up for those errors with a hero play.  Does anyone recall the inside-the-park home run on a bunt?  Yeah, me too.  Justin should be schooled, trained, and polished on defense or traded to an AL team that needs a DH.

Chad Qualls - I haven't seen this much crotch grabbing since Michael Jackson passed away.  Really?  You are a life long ball player and when you finally get to the big leagues you incorporate a 'pre-pitch routine' that requires you to adjust your jock strap before every pitch in front of a million viewers?  I think the TV crew has appllied the Elvis edict and are showing him from the waist up from now on.  Thanks for that, guys.

Chris Young - Another nice young man with great abilities and not much to show for it.  Forget about any previous stats.  He was part of a group that were all trying to make the team or stay in the 'bigs' when he was playing his best.  And, we have all seen slumps come and go even on behalf of Hall of Fame type players.  But Mr. Young has progressed from a technical type of hitting slump to one of the worst kind - confidence.  He needs to be reassigned to someplace where he can tear the cover off of the ball and get his chops back.  Either that or put him in a package with some of the other dead wood and get some bullpen relief.

Chad Tracy - This is your full time, starting first baseman.  Not Reynolds.  Not Jackson.  Not Lou Gehrig.  Give Tracy the job and the responsibility, hit him 3rd or 4th in the lineup for the rest of the year, and then see what you've got for 2010.

I'm sure I could continue, but these are the hot spots that I believe need attention right away.  The fans deserve more.  The team deserves more.  And we should be better than we have been in 2009.

 

 



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Are you.... are you serious?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 29, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Did BOMBERS get a new name?

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 29, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmk...

1) Justin Upton is 21. He’s the future of our franchise. He’s one of the top-10 players in all of baseball in terms of trade value (factoring in current All-Star ability, many years of control, cheap pay-scale, unheard-of potential both offensively and defensively). I wouldn’t trade Upton for every player on the Nationals big-league roster.

2) Really? That’s the issue you’re going to have with Chad Qualls? Nevermind the production, I don’t like watching him before he throws the ball. So don’t.

3) Look at his numbers from June and July. Go to espn.com, search Chris Young, click on his “Game Log,” then look at his monthly numbers from June and July (OBP, SLG, OPS – the important ones).

4) He’s a free-agent at the end of this season (because we’re not picking up his option for $7M next season). He’s gone.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 29, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

with nearly everything you said here, but I’d still like to welcome you to the Snakepit?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, Welcome

even to those we strongly disagree with.
It makes for a healthy fanbase, imo and if this was bombers, the post would contain 5 words.

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, maybe he's simply fed up

you may not agree with everything he said, he’s still got a right to his opinion and he does raise valid points….

This organization appears to be falling on it’s collective sword when it comes to baseball smarts. By that I mean, cutoff guys being missed, wrong angles taken on balls off the wall, bad, well loathesome, baserunning mistakes. It’s all that stuff that some of these guys should have had pounded into them from Babe Ruth level and on up, yet is sadly missing.

Look at the last few games for example, guys getting thrown out at 3rd, two in back to back innings, both of them rally killers. Guys not running on contact when at 3rd and the infield is playing back. Pickoffs of guys when in scoring position. Throwing thru the runners that are in the basepaths. What base to throw to in any given situation. Part of this has to do with players playing out of position, okay, I get that, but someone should be going over the nuances of playing those positions when guys get moved around shouldn’t they? Aren’t these the major bleeping leagues? When are the players accountable for the salaries that they are making?

How incredibly frustrating is it for everyone to see a reliever come in and walk the first guy that they face? How many times are we gonna see the bobble followed up by the incredibly improper throw that goes into the seats. Championships aren’t won by teams that are indifferent to defense and playing good percentage baseball. I think most of us would be happy if the team was simply able to compete by not shooting themselves in their collective feet. Our pitchers are getting affected by the gaffes taking place out in the field. The franchise needs to be aware that defense matters and if that isn’t getting done, who’s doing what to fix it?

As for individual players, I agree that CY needs to be sent down to regain his stroke, watching him go up there night after night is criminal if they actually believe that the guy is salvageable. If not, then give someone else a chance. I understand that there have been some bad deals that have depleted the prospect cupboards but you can’t dwell on that, you have to say if we’re in this for the long haul, then get what you can and give other guys a chance, it’s how the club got Reynolds to grow, maybe they can find another raw gem in the rockpile.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Jul 29, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

About that......

….generally when I’m drunk, my posts aren’t that long.

"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"

by sergey606 on Jul 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

For me, the biggest question in 2010

Is the starting rotation. We have Haren. We have Scherzer. But after that? A series of ifs, maybes and outright questionmarks. I am not really too worried about most of our positions – second-base perhaps excepted. However, the struggles of Petit, etc. have shown how important it is to have a good rotation, top to bottom. See Nick P’s article on the topic for more discussion of the topic, which I’d say is probably more crucial than Qualls’ crotch. :-)

But welcome to the ’Pit!

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 29, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I mostly agree...

CY needs to go down to AAA and work out his swing. I think Chad Tracy is gone for next year, so Whitesell should get the full time job through August to see what he can do, then after September call ups, let the guy we got from the White Sox for Pena have the job through Sept. and see what you have for next year.

I agree with him that Upton is a real liability in the outfield: too many bone head plays. Too much chasing balls around, taking bad angles, etc. Too many bad throws. After one or two you would think he would learn (or someone would coach him).

What I cant see from just watching the games is how much teaching/coaching/practicing goes on during the time they arent playing. Many of the players on our roster havent gotten the kind of instruction that they would have gotten at the lower levels before they got here. So, unless they are getting it now (we should use a AAA or even AA type coaching approach for our big league team), how are they ever going to correct the rough edges of these players.

To me the biggest problem of this team is that there are too many players that have big upside AND big downside all at once: Upton has huge potential (we hope) and can hit BUT he’s a huge liability in the field. If either one of those wasnt true we wouldnt be talking about him (couldnt hit, he’d be in AA, could play defense he’d be a star). Chris Young is solid to very good in the outfield BUT he cant hit a lick. Reynolds can crush the ball BUT he strikes out a ton and defensively he can make outstanding highlight reel plays BUT he will also uncork a bunch of errors. Montero and Snyder are both very good catchers BUT a team really doesnt need two of them. Eric Byrnes can play outfield BUT he has this ridiculous contract and a hitting problem.

Managment seems to be mesmerized by the potential upside for these players and is hoping that they will all work out their problems in the bigs. Which may not happen. After a while its time to acknowledge the half empty part of the glass and make a move, especially when options exist (via trade or callup).

A team can have one or two question marks and/or one or two young players who have been pushed through the system too quickly, but when almost every position has major question marks, you are in trouble (not just now but for the future too). Can a management group that is comforatble with so many half full glasses fix this problem?

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

but it takes a real special person who understands hexadecimal….B2D (101100101101).

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Upton doesn't have downside...

He’s 21 and an All-Star. He’s played in the outfield for two and a half years. Give him some time, he’s a former SS and has Hall-of-Famer potential. Very, very, very few guys can have that said about them. Like once-in-a-decade type guys.

Should I say it again?… Debating it… Sure, why not. Look at CY’s June and July production – more along the line of his rookie numbers.

Reynolds has greatly improved his D. He got called up from AA two years ago. He’s a bona fide cleanup hitter. Those aren’t easy to find.

Snyder will be trade bait in the summer for pitching. This isn’t a problem… I don’t see how this fits.

Byrnes will get cut – he’s decent in the OF and not producing. The current management didn’t get mesmerized by his potential upside, Jeff Moorad, now owner of the Padres, got mesmerized by his marketing potential and gave him a contract without Josh Byrnes ever seeing it.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 30, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome

to the Snakepit, tucsondbacks!! You should come to our Toros g2g in a couple weeks!!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

let me know the details when you have them…

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for reminding me.

They’re right here. I bumped ’em back to the top.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton

is good, defensively, for a RF, and the numbers tell us this.

Mark isn’t particularly good for an IF, which is why he’s playing 3B…. he’s not exactly GOOD, but he’s not even close to being the worst, either. And the strikeouts? Who cares? An out is an out. It’s not as if he’s not driving in runs.

Don’t rope Eric Byrnes’ contract in with everyone else. That deal was 100% Jeff Moorad. Josh Byrnes had nothing to do with it….. it ALMOST makes you pity the Padres. Almost.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

From NIck's Blog
There have been some folks saying lately that Chris Young remains in a prolonged slump, one that has lasted basically the entire season.

We disagree and would like to quickly point out his numbers since June 5 (entering today):

95 at-bats, 25 hits, 10 doubles, three triples, three homers, 25 walks, .263 average, .418 on-base, .526 slugging, .944 OPS.

Those are excellent. Hard to say he’s still slumping, right?

Now, as a whole, his overall numbers aren’t good. He hasn’t done this long enough to make up for the awful start to his season. He was hitting .172/.215/.304 when this began and has only gotten up to .204/.296/.379.

He’s going to have to learn to avoid these long first-half dry spells that have plagued him the first two seasons. But it might be unrealistic to expect him to improve too much at this point. With this many major league at-bats under his belt, maybe he is who he is.

Is it possible for him to get his numbers back up to where they were last year? If he does, does his defense make him valuable enough?

whole thing here:
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Though to update those figures

After June 5 he is now batting .240/.376/.455, for an OPS of .830, a bit less impressive. Since that piece came out, he’s 4-for-26 with one extra-base hit, no homers, one walk and nine strikeouts, so looks like he’s right back in the pits again.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

figures.....

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that he's back in the pits again..

"If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have faith.

I always will… Even when CY is 32 and in AAA.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

what makes us fans, my friend!!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only difference between a fan and a sucker

Is that a sucker believes in a player because he’s naive, while a fan believes in a player because he can manipulate enough stats to make him appear good.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers!

And how!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

.202 BA at the end of July, career .235. He sucks at the plate. End of story.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he’s no Brandon Allen, that’s for sure!

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

how many times am i going to have to point out that upton is the #2 rated NL RF and #3 rated RF overall. sure, he makes poor plays from time to times, but statements like this:

Too much chasing balls around, taking bad angles, etc. Too many bad throws. After one or two you would think he would learn (or someone would coach him).

are just plain foolish. are you kidding me? do you have any idea what it takes to be a mlb caliber outfielder? the kid played ss for 18 years and then was tossed into cf for another couple and then has taken up in rf for just the last couple. give the kid time. he’s going to be remarkable out there. seriously, in a couple years the guy is going to be one of the best outfielders in the league (he’s already one of the best rf) and you’re going to feel very foolish.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

grrr… formatting mistake. last paragraph shouldn’t be in a block quote.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes in a couple of years

he may very well be one of the best outfielders since the time of Clemente, he’s also been out there two years and some of the growth issues may be that he’s now getting to balls that he wasn’t able to reach before. No one questions the strength of his arm, we’re questioning, after two years in the bigs with everyday play why he hasn’t shown more aptitude about taking off the rough edges on his OF play, i.e. hitting the cutoff man, knowing his own home field nuances. As Jim points out, right about the time he gets that stuff down, will the franchise even be able to retain him?

As a fan, who sees the money being paid to these guys, I wonder how long does it take to master these skills. My beef isn’t really with Justin, it’s with the lack of quality of defensive play “by the team”, which I have also pondered just how much of it is due to injuries and players not being familiar with each other or their new positions; with a skewed eye towards management for not taking a harder stance or placing more of an emphasis on this aspect of the game. Just frustrated by the little things not appearing to being attended to with the suspicion that if they were, we’d have a record that’s a lot closer to .500 right about now, despite the injuries.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is no question there is an organizational issue with defense. hinch obviously hasn’t been given an opportunity to correct it (we need to see what he can do when given a spring training to work with), though, so there ought to be some patience there.

that said, upton should not be a part of this conversation— AT ALL. you just can’t compare his defensive blunders with CYs. CY is a career CF. there are no excuses for his mistakes. upton is a brand new RF and should be given plenty of rope as he has adjusted over the past three years of his life (upon graduating HS!) to mlb pitching and shifting from SS to CF to RF. additionally, he is statistically the BEST defensive player on our team. point the gun elsewhere.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

hinch obviously hasn’t been given an opportunity to correct it

It seems to me that Hinch was in charge of player development. He is definitely accountable for the mental mistakes coming out of the home grown players.

by older fart on Jul 30, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that’s a fair enough charge… i merely meant as manager he shouldn’t be held accountable (i don’t think a manager can’t make a huge difference in terms of defense mid-season). didn’t think about it from the other angle.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in a front office position...

It’s Hinch that was in charge of putting the players at the right levels, not for coaching the guys at seven different levels in seven very far apart places (AAA-Reno/Tucson, AA-Mobile, Hi-A-Visalia, Mid-A-South Bend, Low-A-Yakima, Rookie-ball-Missoula, and the DSL-self-explanatory – For those keeping score, that’s Az/Nv, Alabama, California, Indiana, Montana, and the Dominican Republic – Hinch isn’t Superman).

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

and at least he’s aware of the problem and trying to work on it:
http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6134100&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

JUpnDown

If ‘do you have any what it takes…’ means did I play Right Field at the Major league level, no I didnt. However, from Little League on up I was taught to hit the cut-off man. You dont have to be a four tool player to hit the stinking cut-off man. I do know that fundamental skills are more important than headlines. If one play out of forty he makes a great throw to catch a runner at the plate, it doesnt make up for airmailing the ball over the other infielders the other 39 times.

Im not arguing whether or not he will be great in the field in a couple of years (maybe yes, maybe no. Remember Travis Lee?). What I’m saying is he needs coaching now and I dont see him learning anything. He’s been in the bigs for the better part of two seasons and it just doesnt take that long to learn to hit the cut-off man.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you just compare Justin Upton to TRAVIS LEE?

Please tell me you did not. Puh-lease. You could not have picked a worse comparison. The tools/potential/chance of reaching potential are eons apart.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did it and Im glad...

Yes, I did. Remember all the hype about Lee when he came up. He was going to be an incredible first baseman ‘in a couple of years’, the mainstay of the team. He was constantly being compared to Todd Helton. Blah, blah, blah. It never happened. Im comparing the hype, not the skills.

What I’m saying is that all the people who are spouting the hype about how good Upton will be need to curb the emotionalism/wishful thinking and take a objective look about what he needs to improve right now. If he can make the adjustments, then great. But some of the problems that he is clearing having right now shouldnt be still happening.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are insane.

Travis Lee’s #s:
Rookie Year (age 23): 22 HR, 72 RBI, 8 SB, 269 BA, 775 OPS
Year 2 (age 24): 9 HR, 50 RBI, 17 SB, 237 BA, 700 OPS
Year 3 (age 25): 9 HR, 94 RBI, 13 SB, 234 BA, 707 OPS

Upton’s #s:
Rookie year (age 19): 2 HR, 11 RBI, 2 SB, 221 BA, 647 OPS (1/3 a season)
Year 2 (age 20): 15 HR, 42 RBI, 1 SB, 250 BA, 816 OPS
Year 3 (age 21): 19 HR, 63 RBI, 15 SB, 301 BA, 920 OPS (2/3 a season)

The comparison is laughable. Upton has already posted two seasons with higher OPS than Lee did in any of his first three seasons (or ever did, for that matter). And it won’t be until 2011 that he is playing the equivalent of Lee’s rookie season.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are still ignoring my point

I’ll take that as agreement.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

what in the world is being ignored? the fact that he’s the #3 rated RF in all of baseball and can still improve? sure, i’ll grant you that — absolutely. but that is a positive, not a negative.

and you want to talk about ignoring you absolutely ignored the obvious fact that an upton-lee comparison is ludicrous.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My comparison to Lee

was ONLY about the hype that they both received when they reached the majors (they were both promoted as potential superstars) and has nothing to do with their ages, skill sets or statistics. Get it ?(check one)

o Yes, I get it.

o No, I still dont get it and want to continue babbling on about statistics for the two players.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We understand, we're not stupid

We’re just trying to say that there’s a difference about the hype. Lee wasn’t a sure thing. He just wasn’t. The tools weren’t the same, and they weren’t backed up by numbers that are currently inferior to Upton’s. That’s what we’re saying. We know he’s not perfect – he’s 21.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Curb the emotional/wishful thinking?

Not when the kid has the greatest set of tools to come out of the draft in the last decade-plus, and is only going to be matched by wunderkind Bryce Harper next season. And he’s been playing the position for two and a half years. How can you not be gushingly optimistic?

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He is likely to become a great player (he is already very good). But I cant beleive even the most ardent cool-aid drinker would propose that he has nothing left to improve on. My points here are:

1) He has problems with playing the wall
2) At times he makes bad decisions throwing the ball into the infield
3)He doesnt seem to be learning much about these two things in the time he has been in the bigs

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we stop bashing upton's defense?

According to UZR, he’s the 2nd best rfer in the nl, and he’s the third best rf in the game. Yes, he makes bone headed mistakes some times. But…. He’s 21, and he’s only been playing rf for 3 years now. he’s only going to get better, not worse….

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

However,

The stats you are referring to dont have any ‘boneheadmetrics’. The issues I am referring to wont show up.

Example: bases loaded, single to RF, Upton tries to throw out the runner at home (no chance), so the other runners move up. ‘Gift bases’. Doesnt get an error, the single is legit, so none of the impact of his bad decision shows up in the stats. If this is followed by another single it could result in a ‘gift run’ as well (the guy on second who wouldnt have scored if Upton had just hit the cut-off guy the first time).

Another example: ball hit over his head to the wall. Upton chases the ball in the line the ball takes to the wall, instead of the line the ball will take coming off the wall (basic racketball 101). So… the ball ricochets right past him and he is chasing the ball. It it hits another wall, same thing all over again. meanwhile, runners are advancing. When he finally sticks a fork in the ball, he tends to try to make up for it by doing too much with the throw, thereby giving up more ‘gift bases’. Again, none of this shows up in the stats (unless his play is so egregious that they award him an error).

Its the ‘gift bases’ and ‘gift runs’ that I am talking about. They dont show up in the numbers that you are looking at, but they are a statistical liability that the dbacks are forced to overcome by scoring more runs of their own.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

UZR isn’t a perfect stat, but i think it includes much more than what you think it does (expected outs, zone covered, etc). check out the explanation here.

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

UZR covers much, but it wont account for the kinds of mental mistakes I described above. Especially if the second single in example one went to left field (that ball gets billed to the left fielder).

I agree that he has good range and catches the balls that he gets to (which is what will show up in the stats), its the balls that he doesnt catch, and what he does with the ball after he catches it (or picks it up) and the way he plays the wall that I have the problems with.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure. i totally agree. but we’re talking about a handful of plays on the year (4? 5? 6?). i have no question he’s going to improve in those areas. just give him a chance. do you realize that we don’t have a single player in double or triple a who is 21 years of age or younger?

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you again.

However, it is precisely my point that we dont have stats to determine whether its 4-6 times a year or 4-6 times a week (it seems to me to be a lot more than 4-6 per year).

Also: it is also exactly the point that I have been trying to make that he is young and still needs instruction that he would normally have gotten at the lower levels. I just dont see him learning yet (and some of the problems he is having (hitting the cut-off) are pretty simple to learn). He seems to be depending on his enormous skill set to get him by (which was all he needed at every level to here). Can he take instruction? Is he coachable? I havent seen it yet.

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know,

If you think Qualls’ adjustments are excessive, you should really go back and look at Steve Finley in action.

by Azreous on Jul 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Steve Finley

I gave him the nickname “Grab Your Pee Pee” Finley for a reason…now “Cup ’Yo Crotch” Qualls is showing us his best Michael Jackson impressions before each pitch…WTF?

"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"

by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously,

who cares? Almost every team in contention is interested in Qualls, because he’s a pretty awesome reliever. I’ll settle for that.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

I agree with you about Qualls

"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"

by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Core Group

From my observations, I think they Dbacks have a core group of players to build around. These would be Upton, CY, Reynolds,Drew and Schurzer. Obviously all of these players have some very big holes in their game but they are all young and show they have the potential to play at this level.

Personally, I would like to see them move Upton back to the infield specifically 2nd base because he is just pitiful in the outfield and you can’t just LEARN the position in the bigs having never played it. even if you might be athletically gifted. You have to know how to read the ball coming off the bat, the wind, how to play the wall, the spin of the ball off the bat and that only happens in live games in high school, college or the minors- not at the major league level. I won’t even go into how many times he has missed the cut off man as well as throwing to the wrong base.

Reynolds needs to work on his defense at 3B as well as learning to hit the ball up the middle instead of trying to yank every pitch into the stands.

CY needs to learn how to hit the ball and get on base, his OBP is pathetic.

Drew, just needs to polish his game in all phases.

Sherzer just needs more experience and learning to change speeds on his pitches

by Chicks Dig TheLong Ball on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Ding, ding, ding

Couldnt agree more….

there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who dont

by tucsondbacks on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

::Buzzer, buzzer, buzzer::

Couldn’t agree less. Ahem – here we go.

Upton to 2B? You want to move him to ANOTHER position he’s never played? He moved off of shortstop because his throwing, while strong, was inaccurate. So you want to put him at the position where accuracy is hugely valued and strength is fairly meaningless due to the short distances of the throws? Be real. Plus, while 2B reads are similar to SS reads, the transition is only easy for people moving directly from shortstop, not from right field. Why can you not learn these RF reads in the majors? Nothing is special about minor league coaches that make them more aptly suited to teach those kinds of things than major league coaches. Rather, they’re not as good, which is precisely why they’re minor league coaches.

Reynolds’ D needs improvement, but it’s getting better. Don’t critique his hitting, please. Another piece of advice from someone who thinks they know how to fix every hitter’s problems. If the hitting coaches think he needs to change something, they’ll work on it. If not, he’ll continue leading the team in OPS+ and being on pace for around 50 home runs. Don’t know about you, but I’ll take that.

“CY needs to learn how to hit the ball and get on base” – wow, insightful.

“Drew, just needs to polish his game in all phases” – Yeah, he only had an 11-game hitting streak before it was snapped tonight. Pathetic.

“Sherzer just needs more experience and learning to change speeds on his pitches” – I guess I agree with you on this – his secondary stuff could improve, mainly his change-up, which doesn’t need to be great since his fastball is. Except for the spelling of Scherzer.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The last sentence

Was supposed to be accompanied by an emoticon ( : P ) in order to lighten the mood a little. I am not seriously upset about a spelling error…

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

:::sigh::::

This thread makes me sad. Upton to 2b? really? You’re going to make him completely relearn a position, and expect him to be better at 2b than in rf? Getting rid of Qualls cuz he touches his crotch too much?

what the hell are you people smoking?

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

"Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America."
-- Bruce Catton

by njjohn on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smoking cock?

(Sorry, the word “cocksmoker” just makes me laugh)

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Aug 1, 2009 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO!

That word makes me laugh too…

"AUGIE AUGIE AUGIE...OY OY OY!"

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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