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The SnakePit Hatchling Report: Prospects 46-50

Since I've officially run out of marketable, potentially trade-able players to write about for my deadline reports, I've decided to next move on to looking at prospects' seasons in hopes of establishing just how far along the kids are in the system, who the surprises are, who has stalled, and who continues to perform on schedule in their ascent into the big-leagues.  So, I'm making use of my brother's membership to Scout.com. While not stealing in any way from them, I'm using their rankings as a reference, to simply identify in some vague order, the top prospects in the Diamondbacks' system, create my own analysis on them with as many stats as I can find from previous years and compare them to their current production to try to rate how they're progressing through the minors.  [If there are somehow issues with this that I am informed of, I'll delete these ASAP and apologize in depth in order to avoid a lawsuit over a fan-blog post...  :-) Honestly, I don't know (and am probably worrying about absolutely nothing), and am not trying to make anybody mad.]  But, for now, today's write-up will be on the following prospects: RHP Josh Ellis, RHP Bryan Henry, LHP Thomas Layne, C Ed Easley, and RHP William Spottiswood, five guys drafted in 2007.

Star-divide

#50 - RHP Josh Ellis.  Born August 7, 1984.  24 years old.  Drafted in the 11th round in 2007 by Arizona.  The Baseball Cube ratings - Control: 37 / K-Rating: 90 / Efficiency: 22.

2009 Stats: Split between AA-Mobile and AAA-Reno (currently in AA)

AA Mobile - 15 games in relief, 25.2 IP, 1.75 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 30 K, 6 BB (5:1 K/BB ratio).

AAA Reno - 15 games in relief, 19.1 IP, 7.91 ERA, 1.76 WHIP, 19 K, 6 BB (3.2:1 K/BB ratio).

2008 Stats: Split between Hi-A Visalia and AAA-Tucson.

Hi-A Visalia - 39 games in relief, 63.2 IP, 2.40 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 63 K, 19 BB (3.3:1 K/BB ratio).

AAA Tucson - 2 games in relief, 3 IP, 0.00 ERA, .33 WHIP, 4 K, 0 BB (Let us all hope you aren't expecting anything here).

2007 Stats: Rookie-level Missoula

Rookie-level Missoula - 24 games in relief, 36.0 IP, 6.50 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 43 K, 29 BB (1.5:1 K/BB ratio).

Josh Ellis has always been able to strike batters out, but the issue with him has always been his penchant to walk batters.  However, in his third year in pro-ball, at AA (suitable for his age, although for a college relief pitcher, AAA would be nice), he has drastically reduced his walks, while still being able to put batters away.  This trend has led to some recent success, as he hasn't allowed a run since June 28 (5 games, 10 IP).  Granted, he did start the year at AAA after faring well in a cup of coffee there at the end of last season, and got absolutely shelled due to his inability to strike out batters at that level, a slightly higher walk rate, and the fact that the PCL is a massive hitters league.  Nevertheless, the improved numbers from Hi-A to AA do suggest that he's improving, and the walk rate diminishing at the proper level of competition suggests that he's figuring out his biggest issue on the field.

 

#49 - RHP Bryan Henry - Born February 15, 1985.  24 years old.  Drafted in the 12th round in 2007 by Arizona.  The Baseball Cube ratings - Control: 97 / K-Rating: 61 / Efficiency: 99.

2009 Stats: Hi-A Visalia

Hi-A Visalia - 29 games in relief, 63.2 IP, 2.97 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 57 K, 10 BB (5.7:1 K/BB ratio).

2008 Stats: Mid-A South Bend

Mid-A South Bend - 29 games in relief, 6 games started, 90.0 IP, 3.10 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 51 K, 18 BB (2.8:1 K/BB ratio).

2007 Stats: Rookie-level Missoula

Rookie-level Missoula - 12 games started, 58.0 IP, 5.28 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 41 K, 12 BB (3.4:1 K/BB ratio).

The supposed control-and-efficiency contact artist is learning to strike guys out in Hi-A this season, and it's probably best that he keeps this trend up, as many of his other numbers don't lend to continued success if he can't miss bats.  The starter-turned-reliever has a Groundout/Flyout ratio on the season is .90:1, so he isn't a Chad Qualls-type.  The numbers possibly suggest a Jon Rauch comparison - a guy who relies on fly-ball outs in order to retire guys with stuff that will get only the occasional strikeout, and relying on command to jam guys and get awkward swings to force them to hit the ball weakly.  He appears much more comfortable in the relief role after being a starter at Florida State, and the 10 walks in over 60 innings is fantastic.  He won't frustrate you with free passes, but perhaps needs a slight bit of luck to get outs.  Is also 24 in Hi-A ball, and would need to earn a promotion to AA by the end of the year, and perform well there, in order to continue to have serious prospect value.

 

#48 - LHP Thomas Layne - Born November 2, 1984.  24 years old.  Drafted in the 26th round in 2007 by Arizona.  The Baseball Cube ratings - Control: 71 / K-Rating: 44 / Efficiency: 64.

2009 Stats: Hi-A Visalia

Hi-A Visalia - 25 games in relief, 3 games started, 62.1 IP, 2.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 38 K, 25 BB (1.5:1 K/BB ratio).

2008 Stats: Mid-A South Bend

Mid-A South Bend - 22 games in relief, 13 games started, 115.0 IP, 3.44 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 71 K, 43 BB (1.7 K/BB ratio).

2007 Stats: Rookie-level Missoula

Rookie-level Missoula - 16 games started, 79.2 IP, 4.63 ERA, 1.47 WHIP, 66 K, 23 BB (2.9:1 K/BB ratio).

Thomas Layne has been shooting up rankings of D-Backs prospects since the start of the season, and for good reason - he's pitched extremely well.  While the strikeout numbers are pretty mediocre, and the walks seem worrisome, one must also take into account his fabulous 2.92 Groundout/Flyout ratio.  His long-term starting chances aren't great though, for a few reasons.  First, in the three games he has started this year in Hi-A, he has pitched moderately effectively, but only for a combined 14 innings.  Second, Layne has a very distinct lefty/righty split against him, which would make starting difficult.  Righties hit for an average .158 higher than lefties hit, and his ERA is 1.36 higher against righties than it is against lefties (I wish I had OPS splits, but alas).  So while he has pitched this year like he has potential to get out right-handers moderately well with his ability to keep the ball in the park, I wouldn't count on him to face some of the best right-handed bats in the game and have to go through the order three times.  He has the downside of being a solid LOOGY, pretty solid for a 26th round pick.

 

#47 - C Ed Easley - Born December 21, 1985.  23 years old.  Drafted in the Sandwich round in 2007 (61st overall) by Arizona.  The Baseball Cube ratings: Power: 60 / Speed: 6 / Contact: 46 / Patience: 47.

2009 Stats: Hi-A Visalia

Hi-A Visalia - 80 games, .216 BA, .329 OBP, .291 SLG, .620 OPS (average California League OPS - .755), 60 K, 42 BB (1.4:1 K/BB ratio), .074 ISO, 17.9% K-Rate, 12.5% BB-Rate, .267 BABIP.

2008 Stats: Hi-A Visalia

Hi-A Visalia - 118 games, .247 BA, .313 OBP, .339 SLG, .649 OPS (average California League OPS - .752), 106 K, 42 BB (2.5:1 K/BB ratio), .081 ISO, 24.1% K-Rate, 8.5% BB-Rate, .307 BABIP.

2007 Stats: Low-A Yakima

Low-A Yakima - 33 games, .250 BA, .319 OBP, .419 SLG, .738 OPS (average Northwest League OPS - .730), 30 K, 9 BB (3.3:1 K/BB ratio), .169 ISO, 22.6% K-Rate, 6.8% BB-Rate, .236 BABIP.

Easley certainly hasn't lived up to expectations in repeating Hi-A just two years after being a Sandwich-round pick out of college, or at least in doing so without seeing an increase in production across the board rather than his Snyder-esque numbers.  His batting average is significantly down, partially due to over-regression of BABIP, which can be expected to pick itself back up from the .267 mark so far this season.  Even with this, an increase in walks has led to an increase in his on-base percentage.  Yet, his slugging percentage and ISO are also down for the second consecutive season (although the 2007 Yakima numbers are largely due to a small-sample-size HR spree), leading to an overall dip in OPS.  However, there's also a lot to like in what Easley's done.  The strikeouts/K-Rate are down, and he's already matched last season's total for walks in 38 fewer games, so there are surefire signs of progress, and his numbers can expect to be picked up throughout the rest of the season.  He's only 23, too, so there's still time for him.

 

#46 - RHP William Spottiswood - Born April 24, 1985.  24 years old.  Drafted in the 25th round in 2007 by Arizona.  The Baseball Cube ratings: Control: 97 / K-Rating: 90 / Efficiency: 100.

2009 Stats: Split between Hi-A Visalia and AAA-Reno (currently in Hi-A)

Hi-A Visalia - 16 games in relief, 26.1 IP, 3.42 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 22 K, 4 BB (5.5:1 K/BB ratio), 4 saves.

AAA-Reno - 15 games in relief, 23.1 IP, 4.63 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 13 K, 11 BB (1.2:1 K/BB ratio).

2008 Stats: Mid-A South Bend

Mid-A South Bend - 44 games in relief, 64.0 IP, 2.11 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 58 K, 16 BB (3.6:1 K/BB ratio), 13 saves.

2007 Stats: Low-A Yakima

Low-A Yakima - 26 games in relief, 43.1 IP, 2.49 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 45 K, 8 BB (5.6:1 K/BB ratio), 10 saves.

Billy Spottiswood is a strikeout pitcher, racking up ridiculously high totals as a reliever/closer in Low-A, Mid-A, and now Hi-A, as well as traditionally getting fairly high Groundout/Flyout ratios.  However, an aggressive promotion to AAA earlier in the year for Spottiswood led to issues with walks and a decrease in strikeout numbers, to be expected after a jump from being in Mid-A last season.  His overall ERA wasn't bad in AAA at 4.63, but with a .70 Groundout/Flyout ratio, a 1.2:1 K/BB ratio, and just 13 K in over 23 innings, it's hard to imagine that that moderate success would continue (although it's nevertheless impressive that he fared ok in the hitters-haven PCL, unlike Ellis, who is now a leve above Spottiswood).  Instead, he was put back on a steadier path through the minors at Hi-A Visalia, and has amped up his K/BB ratio to the extremely high levels of 2007 in Low-A (as well as 7.6 K/9 IP), after the ratio took a dip in 2008 in Mid-A.  Spottiswood has the stuff and is young enough to have an impact in the majors, but he has to learn how to use his stuff to strike out higher-level hitters, and to throw strikes against better competition.

 

That's all for the first five.  I was originally going to do these in batches of ten until I realized just how much effort and time these really take.  That way, though, I'll be able to write these for the next few weeks, possibly up until I go back to school, successfully killing the rest of my unwanted summer days.  Hope this is informative.

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Congrats

on your first story. I would come up with a different name than “Futurebacks”, though, since that’s Scout’s service mark.

Rec’d.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, valid point

I suppose it’s enough to mention it’s them in the article to give them credit for the list, then have a different title. Editing begins in 3… 2… 1…

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viola.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Done, but what about something a little catchier? “Snake Eggs”? “Baby Snakes”? “Babybacks”?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course,

it’s your series, so it’s up to you.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it is 9:30 in the morning

1) I’m technically going back to sleep… the creative juices aren’t quite flowing. But I’ll figure something out.
2) I have that forsaken Chili’s Baby Back Ribs song stuck in my head now, thank you very much. : /

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

fatty

Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

by PhoenixFly on Jul 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mer.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Googled/Wikipedia-ed snakes :-P

And found the first thing that baby snakes were referred to aside from “baby snakes.” It might sound a bit like a crappy alien movie, or, in my case, bring back strong, fond memories of Starcraft’s Zerg.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starcraft FTW!!

There we go. Well done.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Complete agreement.

SC rules. Been waiting for SC 2 for years. My biggest Chrismas present from two years ago was a promise to get SC 2 when it comes it. Le sigh.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can

you top perfection, though? I guess the end of Brood War did suggest a sequel… (as you’d expect them to do)

One final note: in-depth stories like this should be “Promoted” (formerly known as Submitted for Distribution), meaning it’ll show up on Yahoo Sports’ Dbacks page, etc. I went ahead and promoted this one for you.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are screen-shots of the new one online

But apparently they were programming it and had a massive fail and lost the entire programming of the Zerg and had to start them over again.

Mmk i saw that but wasn’t sure what to do. So I just ignored it and figured you or Jim would let me know if it was a serious issue. :)

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a feature like this,

it should be promoted because new content brings in more readers, and people beyond SBN (even non-Dbacks fans) are likely to be interested.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You play

the lamest string instrument ever?

jk.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I drum. : P

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I noticed that too,

but I wasn’t about to point it out…

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emily is a total music geek

If anyone here didn’t already know that….

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 30, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a second....

the girl whose AIM s/n includes “cello” is a music geek!??

I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I tell you!!!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent post IHSB

It’s nice to see someone besides me do prospect reports. Keep up the good work!

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff

Couple of minor suggestions going forward. Bold the top line for each prospect with their name, etc. – makes it easier to see, breaks up the text a bit. I also tidied up your opening paragraph with regard to scout.com. I don’t think it’ll be a problem, but I’d recommend mentioning them, and giving a link to them for each installment. Or you could use another list, like John Sickels – know there wouldn’t be an issue with that one!

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Also separated the years a bit

Though that might help. I did crank this out last night at 2:30 so there might be a few tweaks to be made.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another suggestion

Try adding ISO, K%, BB&, BABIP… these stats can help add more context. Another thing you can do is compare OPS vs league OPS

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put up what I find on the few sites I know of with minor-league stats...

Sorry. You have any references?

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Easley, for example, since he's the one batter in this report:

Using his #s from here,

ISO = (13 doubles + (1 triple *2 =2) + (2 HRs * 3 =6)/282 ABs = 21/282 = .074 ISO

K% = 60Ks / 335PAs = 17.9%K

BB% = 42BBs / 335PAs = 12.5%BB

BABIP = (61 hits – 2 HRs) / (282 ABs – 2 HRs – 60 Ks + 1 sac fly) = 59/221 = .267 BABIP

As to his OPS, we know that’s .620. A quick glance here reveals that the California League average OPS is .755.

Including the last 3 years of stats is a good call, as well.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I have to calculate it myself? For realz??

Oh Noes!!! Kidding. I think if I’m planning on being a math major that I should be able to handle basic statistical calculations… : P If not, I may be in trouble. I’ll edit this tonight to put that stuff in. I was just hoping I could be lazy and not have to, but I’m willing to do it. Any other statistical requests, just let me know.

And I’m going to include all stats from their professional careers, it just happened that there’s three years for all of these guys because they were all picked in ’07.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs.

Seriously. fangraphs.com is great for finding advanced statistics. It’s the site i use. Also, baseball reference is always a good start. Also, if you’re looking for a player’s college stats, try thebaseballcube.com

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Baseball Cube > j00 :)

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

l33t h4><0r?

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uber 1337.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh.

Uber-pwnd.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Whitesell

has a higher ISO, though.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh. I suppose

including all years would work…. since a true “prospect” isn’t going to be in the minors for more than a few years.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Something tells me I won’t be tracking huge lists of minor-league seasons. Although Whitesell will be a pain in the rear…

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

do you do programming at all? That would make it much easier….

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

But you seriously underestimate the amount of free time I have. This will not be an issue. I’ll have all of these done long before I go back to school on the 20th of August.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever you do, don't get a girlfriend if you don't already have one.

That will seriously threaten your prospect writing time. I know from first hand experience.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too late

Lady SouthBend already exists. But I won’t see her in-person until going back to school. :( So have no fear.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh??

….so it’s EMILY’S fault….. grrrr!!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Definately Emily’s fault. ::looks over shoulder at emily:::

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your wishes

Are my commands. : P

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only the top 50?

I wanted to know more about those 39th round picks in 1998.

Oh well, I guess this will have to do. :)

by Counsellmember on Jul 28, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

FTR,

Clay Zavada was a 30th round pick, and that’s just about the lowest round from which anyone ever makes the majors.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Piazza

Last player drafted by the dodgers in 1988

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

62nd round

to be specific.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a bit of a longshot...

Kyler Newby was a 50th round pick though, and he was briefly called up, despite never playing.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

True fact.

Exception though, not rule. Ordinarily, nobody below about the 30th round makes it.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The minors are a crapshoot

90 percent of the players drafted won’t stick in the majors.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

But there IS a rhyme and reason to it. High-round draft picks have a much better chance at panning out.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are quite a few who might disagree...

Not least Keith Hernandez, a 42nd round pick by the Cardinals in 1971 and Junior Spivey, our 36th round pick in 1996. But aere are a few more examples.

Travis Hafner, 1b, Rangers 1996 (31)
Raul Ibanez, of, Mariners 1992 (36)
Kenny Rogers, lhp, Rangers 1982 (39)
Orlando Hudson, 2B, Blue Jays 1997 (43)
Jason Isringhausen, rhp, Mets 1991 (44)
Julio Lugo, ss, Astros 1994 (44)
Brad Ausmus, c, Yankees 1987 (48)
Marcus Giles, 2b, Braves 1996 (53)
Jeff Conine, 1b-of, Royals 1987 (58)

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Piazza isn't the ONLY one,

but the odds are still significantly lower of making it from a lower round.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's more like it

Not quite the same as saying the 30th is “just about the lowest round from which anyone ever makes the majors.”

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet, of the 31 drafted players

who played an inning or more with the Dbacks so far this season, look at the rounds in which their name was called:

Schlereth 1st
Lopez 1st
Drew 1st
Upton 1st
CoJack 1st
Garland 1st
Mad Max 1st
TC 1st

Buckner 2nd
Qualls 2nd
Snydes 2nd
Haren 2nd

Schoeneweis 3rd
Boyer 3rd
Rauch 3rd
Josh Wilson 3rd

Flash 6th
Whitesell 6th

Tracy 7th

Webby 8th
Yrnes 8th

Luke Carlin 10th
Double D 10th

Augie 13th

Reynolds 16th
CY 16th

Slaten 17th

Roberts 18th

Korecky 19th

Rosales 20th

’Stache 30th

That’s 8 1sts, 4 2nds, 4 3rds, 2 6ths, 1 7ths, 2 8ths, 2 10ths, 1 13ths, 2 16ths, and 1 each in the 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 30th rounds.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

*32

Augenstein was drafted in the 7th round.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

'Skins working the body.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irrelevant

Listing players who made it from higher rounds does not alter the fact that you were wrong to say the 30th is "about the lowest round from which anyone ever makes the majors." [emphasis added].

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did put "just about" ahead of that phrase

He left room for vagueness. Then in a later comment said “Ordinarily, nobody below about the 30th round makes it.”

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re going to throw terms like “anyone ever” and “nobody” around, you’d better mean it.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

True,

Just trying to pass the peace pipe around. :)

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't SAY "nobody makes it".

I said that it’s exceedingly rare. You then proceeded to point out 11 guys (beyond Piazza, so 12) who DID make it.

12 guys in 64 years of drafts means it’s a pretty rare occurrance.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to take into account why the player went in the round they went in

Often a guy will slip to those rounds for sign-ability issues as a top-level talent. If they end up actually signing (for far above the average value of that pick), they have a higher chance of making it.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also true.

And many times, teams will use a lower round draft pick on a player that, for example, just graduated from HS but is expected to go to college anyway. Micah Owings was drafted out of HS by the Rockies, for example.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The D-Backs took a kid from my HS class in the 34th round

Riccio Torres. He just spend last season destroying the ball at ASU, along with another kid from my class, Drew Maggi, who we took I think in the 48th round. Both of them were strong commits, Riccio was a possible sign, Maggi was a PR pick.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

A guy I went to elementary school and middle school with,

Bryan Opdyke, was drafted out of HS in the 5th round by the Brewers. He washed out after 3 years in the minors, though.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's fairly common

I’m just commenting on the use of late picks to pick local high school kids as fliers for signing/PR picks, and most of them after round 30 go back to school.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also adjusted my signature - let me know your thoughts.

Someone pay Beric Yrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

It makes me less angry.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

my brother in law was drafted by the phillies in the something round

Walter dawkins… washed out in aaa

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh.

My buddy never made it beyond rookie ball. I think they just kept him around because catchers are valuable.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

15th round by the phillies.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A kid I went to high school with and was a good acquaintance with

was drafted in the 2nd round by the Braves with their first pick. Stuck at Mississippi doing little and blocked by Larry Jones even if he was performing.

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

former boss' husband

had a cup of coffee in the Indians bullpen in ’96

Go DBacks!

by JustAJ on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My younger brother

had a little league coach for about three years that did two seasons with the Twins (1993 and 1994)

Turns out, Brett Merriman was a better coach than pitcher.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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