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Piniero 2, Arizona 1: So long and thanks for all the (bat) flips.


If I had realized on Friday, when the monthly email from the Jim comes to confirm my recap duties, that Yusmeiro Petit would be starting today I probably would have tried to find a way to squirm out of it.  No offense to Mr. Petit, but not since Russ Ortiz donned the turquoise, copper, black and purple have I been less excited by a Diamondback starter taking the mound.  No wait, that's a lie - I do hope he takes offense.  At least it means he's reading - or more likely, Miguel Montero is reading and translating it to him.  If that is the case than I would like to interrupt this recap for a moment to officially put my thing down, flip it and el chacarron it.  I heart you, Miggy... even with the Johnny Unitas hair cut.

But back to baseball, I can't quite describe the gut punch in store for me when I came home, fired up the DVR and instead of getting to see an always intriguing Max Scherzer start I was graced with Yusmeiro's presence.  And then imagine my shock as Petit went on to pitch his best game of the season, by a significant margin no less.

Star-divide

 Six strikeouts tied for his most of any start this season along with the three hits he allowed.  It was only his second outing this season in which he did not allow a home run (for reference, in four of his nine starts he's given up multiple home runs).  It was also the first time season this season that he allowed fewer than three earned runs.  And perhaps most significantly, this is the first time in the 2009 season that he's gone six innings in a start.

Of course, just because he put together his best outing of the season doesn't mean it was any fun to watch.  The results may have been positive, but it doesn't mean the process wasn't excruciating.  Admittedly, most of that is previous biases combined with an impotent offense, but it still doesn't excuse a soft-tossing righty walking multiple people not named "Pujols" in a single inning.  He got away with it in the first inning, but not in the fourth when Tony LaRussa's plan to bat the pitcher eighth came to fruition as the buzzsaw known as 'Joel Piniero' came up with the bases loaded.  A first pitch get-me-over slider later and the boys in sedona red were staring down the nigh insurmountable lead of two to nil.

I could tell you that the team got jobbed.  That it was bad luck that saw the pitcher get the game winning hit.  Similarly, it was bad luck that the team came out of the fifth with only one run - the confluence of what should have been Chris Young double hitting short wall and turning into a single, a Chad Tracy double bouncing into the stands instead of rattling around the corner and a Felipe Lopez grounder that he might have beat out.  But who are we kidding?  Once again the offense was putrid and there's no way to sugar coat.

Joel Piniero was a groundball machine en route to limiting the Snakes to only one walk and six hits, only two of which went for extra bases.  While Petit, Gutierrez and Rauch combined for a well-pitched game, the offense continued its maddening inability to string hits together.  And unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your outlook, that's a habit that is only going to get worse now that Felipe Lopez has moved on to greener pastures.  He ends his Arizona tenure with a .301 average, 6 home runs, 44 runs and 25 RBI.  He was a mercenary in every sense of the word and while his perceived indifference may have been frustrating at times he's still been worth every cent of his contract and then some. I agree with the deal in principle, and don't even mind the return, but I'm about as eager to see Ryan Roberts as our starting second baseman as I am to see Yusmeiro Petit with a permanent starting job.  Things are most definitely going to get worse before they get better. 

At least Dan Haren is doing his best Randy Johnson circa 2004 imitation.  Not that it's much consolation...

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What will you remember most about Felipe Lopez's tenure with the Diamondbacks?
His and Tony Clark's home runs on opening day
95 votes
The bat flips
25 votes
Jennifer Lopez
31 votes
Cole Gillespie and Roque Mercedes
29 votes

180 votes | Poll has closed

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Flip traded?!

I miss him already. :(

Bad move in my opinion…

by NotGuilty on Jul 19, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He was gone anyways.

In three months.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I was hoping the Brewers would be Lopez’s destination this month, but I was hoping for him to be accompanied by Davis and a good sight more coming back to us.

So far I can’t find much info on the two minor leaguers, but that’s why I come here; someone is cooking up the prospect report as I type this, I am sure.

by Counsellmember on Jul 19, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Read further down the page

There’s a bit of info in the story.

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Jul 19, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I was hoping for that also.

I was hoping we could pry away Casey McGehee. That would have given us a future at 2nd base.

by Pyromnc on Jul 20, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gillespie is ranked 98 amongst all prospects in baseball.

And we got a relief pitching prospect who’s 23 and going to (probably) be promoted to AA. For three months of Felipe Lopez, it’s a good deal.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Well....

I guess I’ll kinda miss Flip…especially with him getting all those lead off hits. I will fondly remember him for those two homers he got on opening day.

The first game I went to this year and the last game I had hope for the 2009 Dbacks.

So long Flip….it was fun while it lasted.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Jul 20, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll mostly

remember him for not hustling. That might sound harsh, but that’s honestly what I’ll remember him for.

Go Diamondbacks!

by sayheyupton on Jul 20, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM GONE!!!!

So we are stuck with….

Young .190 hitter
Upton the Minor Leaguer
Whitesell on First?
Reynolds our new number one player.
Drew who checked out
Parra, good everyday player
Roberts/Ojeda on 2nd
Montero/Snyder catching

Young needs to go when Jackson gets back.
Tracy gone.
Byrnes gone (if they find a trade)

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 20, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Um....

Felipe Lopez was most certainly NOT the “best player on the team”.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

At best he was Arizona's 6th best player this year

Upton, Reynolds, and Montero have all out-hit Lopez this season, and Haren and Davis have also easily provided more value from the mound than Felipe has in his 2nd base role.

by TAP on Jul 20, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Plus maybe Scherzer.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Scherzer

And an argument can be made for Qualls. 17-21 isn’t bad for saves, and he’s gotten some HUGE outs (see: Florida, bases loaded or runners on the corners, I forget, bottom of the ninth, zero out).

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh....

don’t include saves. Saves are a poor indicator of a reliever’s value.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

But they look flashy, especially for free agent classifications. He’ll be a type-A. Flip’s a type-B. And with us rebuilding, that difference in value is very important.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

When Harden plays 2nd base we will talk about pitchers vs. everyday players.

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 20, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb BASTARD....

Upton is a fake, belongs in the minors to learn how to hit a cut off man and clime the fence to catch a ball. Did you watch the All-Star Game and see him Fcuk up?

Defend Young, I dare you…

Reynolds has not been close to .300, but good.

Montero is back to second string when Chris Snyder is back.

Why do I even try to educate you dopes?

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 20, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The fake can’t even play LF defense, for the first time in his entire professional career.

Why does Reynolds have to bat .300 to be “good”?

And why do you insist on relying on outdated and irrelevant metrics to grade players when we uneducated dopes keep trying to educate you as to the newer, more objective and more accurate metrics that disprove virtually everything you’re trying to say?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. Maybe

the key lies in “disprove virtually everything you’re trying to say”.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that

You kinda answered your own question there.

"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."

by kishi on Jul 20, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That sure was a stupid move by Upton to put himself in to play a position he’d never played before on a professional level. Oh, wait, that was Manuel who put Upton in left. Whatever.

And, c’mon, man, feel free to use a slight bit of etiquette.

"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."

by kishi on Jul 20, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It

wasn’t like that was a gimme play, anyways.

I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.

by soco on Jul 20, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Officially warned

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 20, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like

the yellow card system. Do we get to use a red card if they’re banned?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Many larger communities online have a warning system that makes it easy to know where you stand on your road to getting banned, and with the inroads SBNation has to driving traffic to individual sites, I’d think it would be idea to adopt some system.

I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.

by soco on Jul 21, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

AZBOMBERS = foulpole's angrier twin?

Looks lilke the standards have dropped.

by TAP on Jul 21, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not understand why your swear words need one or more capital letters.

It really doesn’t add that much extra emphasis. Admittedly, I’ll throw out the occasional “hell” – and only because I was once angry and did so and nobody scolded me. :-P

Anywho, the Upton-in-a-new-position point has already been flogged to death, so I’ll refrain from doing so.

Who will dare defend Chris Young? I WILL!!! (capital letters here appropriate for pseudo-epicness/enthusiasm/happiness) After tonight’s triple, he’s back up to hitting .200, a climb that has been ongoing ever since he adjusted his hand placement in his batting stance. Might not sound like much, but let’s not forget how low it was to begin with, and that a good average for CY is around .240/.250, and he makes up for it with stolen bases and power. Which he’s been doing. So while it hasn’t been rising quickly, it’s definitely been rising to his norm. He’s got the highest walk rate of his career this season, which says a lot when you realize that he didn’t start drawing any recognizable amount of walks until June. And now, for the same numbers I use every time I defend CY – his June and July lines (June: .246/.402/.508 July: .200/.390/.367). Yeah, the batting averages dont’ blow you away, but notice A) the high walk rate and B) how many bases on average he’s getting per hit. If you were to consider each of his walks as singles, because that’s really what they count as for all intensive purposes, his line is off the charts. So there’s a defense. I guess the witty response is "I dare you to explain why these stats represent a crappy player. Next year, I’m calling a CY breakout. You heard it here first.

Reynolds doesn’t need to hit for any more than .270 to be a force. It’s the beauty of Reynolds.

Montero is starting for the rest of the season, Snyderman is on the trading block. Why would we bench Montero? Seriously man, think about it, he’s been our best hitter since Snyderman went down with that injury. You don’t bench your best hitter.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

R.J. Anderson at FanGraphs will also defend Chris Young, whose lousy play he attributes mostly to bad luck — between BABIP and too many K’s rung up by shitty umpiring. (Seriously)

I’m staying positive, and hoping that CY’s lousy and unlucky 2009 will be analogous to Stephen Drew’s lousy and unlucky 2007.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

I thought the beauty of Reynolds was his flowing blond locks, and his manly countenance. ’Skins, we need clarification here.

"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."

by kishi on Jul 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or else

the fact that he’s perfectly imperfect…. not a huge guy, but mad bat speed; not a fast guy, but runs hard and a smart baserunner; sets the all-time record for season strikeouts, and on pace to smash it again, and yet 2nd in the majors in HRs….

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh....

and the Reynolds Rules.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me,

it’s a mystery to us too.

by Azreous on Jul 21, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

DON'T MIX APPLES WITH ORANGES

We are talking Lopez, and everyday player. Who else is close to .300? Upton? He is fading like a school girl at the prom.

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If batting average is your only measure of a good hitter, Lopez was the best we had

Also, if batting average is your only measure of a good hitter, you’re using a very, very, very limited view of the game.

"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."

by kishi on Jul 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If batting average

is your only measure of a good hitter, then you’re a moron.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Open your mind.

This is the 21st century, not the 19th. We’ve moved to more objective means of measure.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

.....?

Are you literate?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

He’s not.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton

is no longer minor league caliber. I guess you don’t know how to read a stats line.

Go Diamondbacks!

by sayheyupton on Jul 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Upton clearly has shown no improvement

from year to year. We need to just DFA him like yesterday.

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhm

this was tongue in cheek in case people think I am serious

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You

didn’t even give people a chance to get pissy! Geez!

I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.

by soco on Jul 20, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh man, sorry

about that! That’s in the Rule Book, isn’t it?

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

DFA HIS ASS!

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

+10

immediately!!

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No fun.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

M'thinks your either

A. Racist
B. an idiot
C. Both

take your pick.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 20, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're

I can’t be going around calling people an idiot when i’m making spelling and grammatical errors.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 20, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather

have a guy hustling with less talent than Lopez not willing to bust his hump out there. The guy was a cancer. I’m glad he’s gone.

Go Diamondbacks!

by sayheyupton on Jul 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't

go so far as to say he was a cancer. I haven’t heard anyone saying that his apparent lack of effort was catching.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

people are too quick with

that “he was a cancer” label. I haven’t heard anything even remotely indicating he had issues in the clubhouse.

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he was not.

He was liked by everyone, and he liked everyone. He just knew we were out of it and on plays where he thought it didn’t matter, he showed that he thought it didn’t matter. And with where we are in the standings, he’s frankly pretty much right.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would

go so far as to say that many of us would disagree with sayheyupton’s contention.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

bye bye F-Lo

Did you hear Eric Byrnes is writing a book?
It's going to be a pop-up book.

by Muu on Jul 20, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll pour

one out for my homie today.

I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.

by soco on Jul 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

UPTON SUCKS!

Will get better, but was brought up too soon.

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 20, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

"Will get better"?

I thought he was a “career minor leaguer”?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

rut-roh!

a bit of back-tracking by the bomb?

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 21, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No no.

He’s done nothing to deserve a cool nickname like The Bomb.

by Azreous on Jul 21, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

you have an odd sense of

what is cool then

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 21, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, dude.

Don’t pretend like you didn’t grow up in the 90s.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The BOMBER said

All we hear about Upton is he is 21.. 21.. 21.. Like that is an excuse.

He needs to develop in the minors, learn to catch a ball, learn to hit the cut-off man, learn to run bases.. We all see the mistakes in game after game.

Mel checked out in Spring training, now Hinch inherited this mess.

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 21, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols

and Ken Griffey, Jr. all had similar numbers at his age. They didn’t turn out too badly.

And you’re sorely mistaken if you think Bob Melvin checked out in Spring Training. Don’t sell the man short.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teams and their desire to keep All-Stars in the major leagues...

Just a travesty. A sham. A mockery. A travishamockery. I stole that from somethingl I saw or heard a long time ago. I forget what. Bonus points for whoever can remind me.

Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beer commercial.

Politican. Accentuated his points by putting his fist in the air, thumb gripping the top. I wanna say it was Miller Lite.

by Azreous on Jul 21, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that's

just sad, Chris.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey.

It’s a good word. And I need all the bonus points I can get.

by Azreous on Jul 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

To the monitor of the board

If you sweethearts don’t like the fact I am right then you should go.

I care about the team. If I didn’t I would not post. Don’t tell me I need to restrain myself.

WHATS UPTON/ YOUNG WORTH???

NOTHING!!!!!

by AZBOMBERS on Jul 21, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Really

Do you honestly believe that you responses you get are entirely due to what you are saying, rather than the manner in which you say it?

"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."

by kishi on Jul 21, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or both?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think

Drew is more valuable than Upton?

Are you SURE you’re not just a racist?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Right or wrong is irrelevant. If you are unable to treat the other members with a minimum of common decency – and hell knows, we’re not setting the standards particularly high there – then you should, and indeed will, be the one going.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet they are worth more than

you are babe.

Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 21, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

All hail King Bombers' rule!

These peons don’t agree with me? Verily, we must banish thee and bring in new peasants who will lick the feet of agreement, knave!

by Azreous on Jul 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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