Byrnes for Lugo - Please, dear Lord
Julio Lugo was just DFA'ed by the Red Sox yesterday, and this has re-brought up the idea of the Red Sox and Diamondbacks swapping crappy contracts of underachieving players by swapping the error-prone Lugo for our own suck artist, Eric Byrnes. With the news of the DFA, this now puts a 10-day timer on the deal to see if it can get done, and I, for one, pray that this happens. Now, I know people are thinking "why would we want a guy who was just DFA'ed?" I'm glad you asked, legitimately-interested-reader:..
1) Lugo can hit. He was hitting .284 at the time of his DFA, with an OBP of .352 and SLG of .367. His .719 OPS would be good for ninth on the team, behind Upton, Reynolds, Romero (sample size), Flip, Montero, Drew, Parra, and Snyderman, as well as a good .99 greater than Byrnes' .620. His OBP would be fifth on the team, behind Sample Size, Upton, Flip, and (surprisingly, to me) Snyderman. That bat would play somewhere in our lineup.
2) His power numbers are deceiving. Playing at Fenway, it is MUCH better to be left-handed and trying to pull a ball to the gap than being right-handed and trying to do the same. 300-foot right field foul line, or the Green Monster? You choose. This is why David Ortiz made a career of pull power. Well, this and [insert steroids joke here].
3) He could play everyday this season if Whitesell fails. Byrnes is already a fourth outfielder behind three young guys, so giving him playing time is useless. Whitesell's 28, and if he can't prove quickly that he can get the job done, he's gonna find himself as a backup. So, for all the worry about Lugo's defense, moving him away from shortstop to the easiest position to field in baseball, first base, could only help. And he's 6'1'', so it's not like he's a midget out there at first. Otherwise, he'd be a better backup option than Augie in the infield. (all of this, of course, is assuming we wouldn't simply make him a backup for the season and be content with this - for all the PT they gave Byrnes, I think the organization has problems with paying over $10M to a guy and not having him play regularly, this is just a way to say that we could let him play).
4) Look ahead. After the season, Flip Lopez will leave for more money, and we'll be left without a second baseman. If we can turn Byrnes' $15M salary obligation into a guy that can play second base for us next season, this saves us the $5M it would take to go out and get another stop-gap guy, unless you're thinking Rusty Ryal is ready for the big stage (which he isn't), as well as the extra roster spot that could be used for someone useful. Money's tight as it is, so why not pull a slick maneuver and save a little? Second is a much easier position to field than shortstop, where he played all of his games this season. It's why Flip moved there a couple years ago, and Lugo could do the same (and similarly, possibly, maybe revitalize his career a bit).
5) Lugo's reputation. For those who remember, Lugo put up some good numbers in Tampa Bay before bolting for the dollar signs in Beantown. In his last 73 games with the then-Devil Rays in 2006 (before a trade to the Dodgers and the onset of suckitude), he hit over .300, and had an OPS of .871. Then he was dealt from obscurity in TB to one big market, L.A., and then signed with another big market, Boston. With both of those teams, he has gained a distinct reputation for shrinking in big markets under pressure. So what could possibly be better for him than a trade to the NL West shelter from media coverage, and one of the least-covered markets in all of baseball, Arizona? We're not going to be competing for a championship anytime soon, so why not bring the guy into a low-pressure situation and let him play? He'd absolutely be more valuable to us than the guy we're giving up.
6) AL to NL. We've been through this. AL lineups are traditionally more stacked than NL lineups, so AL rotations are typically better than NL rotations in order to make up for this. Lugo would get the chance to face the mediocre fringe-5th starters of the NL, and would enjoy the stat-boost offered by this.
If you're Boston, the situation is pretty simple. The only real question is whether or not the Sox would want to take a flier on a guy who had 20 HR/50 SB two years ago and an OPS over .800, and see if he couldn't get his hamstrings back and get back to form. They know Lugo isn't going to work for them, so why not see if a change of scenery would work for Byrnes? They know the guy's not going to shy away from the national stage, and he's got the personality to handle Boston's media, as evidenced by his almost-excessive love for the TV camera. Further, the guy plays pretty solid defense (aside from the occasional SportsCenter Not-Top-10 play from the entire first half of the season), so it's not like they'd be getting rid of their frustrating errors only to get more back.
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would love to see
that shaggin wagon in bean towne
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
+1
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting idea...
But I dont think we can bring Lugo in to immediately take playing time away from Whitsell. He HAS to be given a chance as a full timer in the second half to show whether or not he can produce in the Majors. I know you said “if” Whitsell fails, but a couple of weeks worth of at bats isnt enough to show me. Give Whitesell the first base bag and let him know he’s there for the rest of the season.
Now, if you told me Lopez was going to be traded, and Lugo could fill his slot at second this year, I’d be willing to listen. The stats mentioned are intriguing, I’ll admit. Actually, sounds a little like Lopez himself.
But in the end, it wouldnt be too terrible just to ride out Byrnes and be done with the bad contract discussions this year, instead of delaying it by another 12 months.
by Counsellmember on Jul 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
Well...
1) Whitesell’s 28, he’s a stop-gap for Allen now as it is. It’s not like we’d be drastically damaging our future.
2) Totally did not think of the possibility of trading Flip Lopez and Lugo filling in. That makes it even better…
3) Lugo’s and Byrnes’ contracts end at the same time (after 2010)
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agreed
on #2. That would actually make a lot of sense.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Almost certainly
a team option.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Team Option.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
One tiny problem
Byrnes has a full no-trade clause. He’d have to be convinced of the wisdom of the deal too. But if that can be done… Well, I’ll write something up about that today myself.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
That wouldn't be too difficult, methinks.
1) Arizona fans hate his guts.
2) The surfer dude is in the middle of a desert, Boston is right by an (admittedly less warm) ocean.
3) It’s a big-market for him to promote his super-awesome image.
4) It’s a new training staff for him to get a second-opinion from and work with.
5) He could get some PT and try to rebuild his value before he re-enters free agency, since he’s not getting it here, and Boston’s outfielders on the 40-man Roster are: flameout Rocco Baldelli, impending free agent Jason Bay, not-yet-ready prospect Chris Carter, J.D. Drew (whose contract needs no description), and actual keeper Jacoby Ellsbury. If Baldelli can get 93 ABs in half a season, Byrnes can get some PT if he’s healthy.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 18, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Baldelli.... jeez.
What happened to THAT guy? Wasn’t he an All Star with Tampa Bay??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He was about to be for a lot of years.
Then he was diagnosed with some chronic back/spinal cord (I think?) disorder that nearly cost him his career. It’s pretty much a miracle that he’s still playing, but he’s been relegated to spot starts and DHing.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
Poor bastard. That sucks!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I don't
see how this is anything but wonton wishing. We could look at every team that DFA’s someone but that doesn’t mean that team wants to take a guy who is injured and expensive.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
we can dream though
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they're already on the hook for the salary...
So they could take a flier on Byrnes. He was great two years ago, and wouldn’t shy away from the big-market.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're
missing my point. Where is the evidence that this anything but a pipe dream?
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
Why,
the fact that we’ve brought it up before, naturally.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Rawr...
Someone’s moody. Jokes aside, it’s because I read about it in the news. The idea was kicked around last summer and now it makes all the sense in the world for both teams. The two teams have legitimately had talks about the swap. It’s not just all hearsay and personal speculation.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions
God I hate Byrnes
If I see one more Eric Byrnes 'flip throw' I will shoot myself a whole bunch of times.
Please
don’t tease me like this
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
Looks more likely
Lugo will be a Met.
Meanwhile, an AL source revealed that Julio Lugo has been working out at the Mets’ complex in the Dominican Republic. The official predicted that once Lugo clears waivers – he was designated for assignment by the Red Sox Friday – the Mets could sign him.Probably for the best. Do we really need another (alleged) wife-beating middle infielder?
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Something is in the works
on Eric Byrnes though. As much as I don’t like Gambo personally, he does seem to have some great inside information on this team.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Did
they talk about it on the show recently? I haven’t given them a listen in a while.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
Yes, he's mentioned it a couple of times
in the past week. He also implied he wouldn’t be surprised is he was just out n out released.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
interesting. Releasing seems more likely. I’m just having a hard time believing a team will trade for Byrnes, especially with the broken wrist.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
Hmmmmmmm indeed...
Well, someone can take Drama Queen Byrnes and his STUPID tv show elsewhere!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I don’t mind his TV show, really. It is, at times, entertaining.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
The ONLY episode I liked was his Fantasy Football one last season, but then again it featured my boys Ojeda and Salazar and a few others as well :)
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This depressed me so much.
I LOVED Jeff Salazar. I was so happy when I saw he was called up in Pittsburgh. Too bad he’s currently 0-6 (but with a walk!!!).
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Salazar here this week :)
Sali will be here with his Pirates this week…will you be there to see him? I will be for at least 2of the 4 games. Shame we didn’t keep him and sh*tcan Eric Byrnes!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a shame we
didn’t keep Carlos Quentin
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
UGH.....
do we have to post the picture again??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
why?
This wasn’t directed at you, so I’d keep on moving, nothing to see here…
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Picture?
What picture is that? I’d love to see it ;)
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's
a gif of someone flogging a dead horse.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
Not a .gif, per se
a .png
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This is
our automatic response to anyone who brings up Carlos Quentin:

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Flogging the dead horse!
ROTFLMAO! I love it!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not entirely.
After all, he’s been doing so great this season…
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw Carlos Quentin! I’d rather have Salazar back than him!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, heaven forbid
we have someone good on the team. There’s a reason why Sally bounces around, he ain’t that good.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
SILENCE!
Jeff Salazar is a god. No, actually, he’s not. But I still love him.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Snakecharmer does too?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
he's still not
very good
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I just admitted this
Don’t go rubbing salt in the wounds. Uncool.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignore it then
you’re not the censor
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 20, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
I’m joking with you. Relax some? I’ll make a cute little face to prove it. :-P
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Taking a page
right out of Diamondhacks’ playbook…
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
So do I!
Sali will always be a fave of mine…I’ve followed his career ever since his days in the Colorado Rockies minors…(Colorado-raised girl here, also Rockies fan as well as DBack fan…don’t hurt me LOL)…Sali is a total class act…shame teams don’t give him the chance to prove he’s worthy of being an everyday player. Instead they relegate him to the bench…
steps off soapbox
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Much as I love him...
I can admit he’s not an everyday player. Was a darned good fourth outfielder for a year or so, though.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He was fine
as a 4th OF and PH. Plus, he always seemed to destroy other NL West teams, esp. the Giants and Rockies. At Purple Row, Jeff Salazar was kind of the great white whale they let get away, that now sunk their ship everytime he came to bat.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Hey,
as much as I post on Purple Row, if I haven’t been banned here, then you’re fine.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
That's if he clears waivers...
If they trade him beforehand, he has no choice. Also, if you’re Boston, you can squeeze a little cash out of the D-Backs (since we are getting the better player), and the insurance will pay for Byrnes while he’s hurt. Just to give them some reason to do this.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Great point
Is clearing him through waivers a way we could get circumvent Byrnes no trade option? What team in their right mind would risk claiming him with that contract? Am I wrong here, or is this a valid option for the team, setting aside whether they want to or not.
Anyway, Byrnes would jump at Boston me thinks. I wish I didn’t dislike him as much as I seem to. I was actually mildly in favor of signing him 3 years ago. What a difference two seasons of injury and inefectiveness make!
by Counsellmember on Jul 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I was referring to Lugo having to clear waivers. And no, Byrnes’ no-trade clause is valid until the contract is torn up and he’s officially released.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Now I feel stupid. Damn lack of loopholes.
by Counsellmember on Jul 20, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries.
The entire reason that this was written was in an effort to try to find ways to rid ourselves of Byrnes. I can’t fault anybody for trying to further that cause.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox
They still owe us for the time we gave them Curt Schilling for next to nothing. Thanks for the effort Casey Fossum, take a lap.
Byrnes and Lugo=BOTH SUCK
I don’t want either of those bums on this team…falt out get rid of Byrnes. I’d bet San Fran would take a run at getting Surfer Boy and his Shaggin’ Wagon since the Gnats are notorious for having older, aging outfielders and Eric IS from the Bay area anyway…
As for Loogie….errrrrr LUGO, we already got rid of one wife beater cough cough ALBERTOI CALLASPO cough cough…I really hope we don’t go getting this scumbag! I’d rather keep Felipe Lopez thank you very much!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
Flippy!
Me too, but it doesn’t look good on that happening! But hey, as long as my boy Augie stays put…I am a happy girl!
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to break this to you...
But Augie’s gone after this season. Mostly because he sucks. And nobody is going to have him on their major league roster.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad we don't have a
AAAA league, him and a few others would be perfect there.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We
have a AAAA team, it’s called the Diamondbacks.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
shhhhh!
It;s OUR secret!
Damn, Soco! Now everyone knows…..
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This joke
Sponsored by the “Using old lines in new situations” fan club.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was sponsered
by the letter “F” and the number “6”?
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
be surprised if we re-signed Augie to a minor league contract. He’s worth that.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Just because the organization loves him. But he’s not in the bigs except as a September guy/injury fill-in next year.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless
he has a crazy spring. However, it looks like his role as superutility guy may have just been usurped by a younger Ryan Roberts.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I hope we re-sign Augie…not just because he’s one of the guys who lives here in the valley full time…not just because he’s a fan favourite…but I think because he may be slumping right now but I think he WILL get his ducks in a row and end the season on a very positive note. I have faith in my fave player
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 23, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to break it to you
But this is pretty much what his numbers are gonna be.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But we won't keep Felipe Lopez...
People think we have a legitimate chance of keeping this guy beyond this season. They would be wrong. He’s leaving for whoever gives him the dollar signs, and given his production, he’s going to get them. So why not add no payroll in getting an everyday second baseman for 2010? We’re not going anywhere anytime soon. We’re really waiting for the prospects/this salary to get off the books before making a run. The contract still ends at the same time. Plus, by all accounts, Lugo has been on good behavior the last four plus years, and is good. He was DFA’ed because of errors on the defensive end (admittedly not something we need more of), but a move to 2B might help. It’s worth a shot.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....
there’s almost no way we’re going to re-sign Flip.
Love the new signature, by the way.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Speak of the Devil...
Just traded. Two minor leaguers from Milwaukee (the only real suitor…). I’ve heard the name Cole Gillespie before. I’m fairly certain he’s a very good prospect. Which is kinda surprising really.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And it's my latest plan to off Byrnes.
These are the things I think of in my spare time.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Your signature :)
Works for me too..I’d gladly join you in offing Byrnesie ;) insert devious evil laugh here
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You and I
Might get alone very well. :)
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Freudian slip?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Oh wow
That’s dirty. Way to totally not notice that, me. Good catch, Skins. But sorry, I’m not a free agent. :-P Golly I’m such a nerd…
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better,
she’s married already. ;-)
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
It actually does...
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Felipe Lopez Traded
Opening up the possibility of a Byrnes-for-Lugo swap being unbelievably profitable.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
-1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
First off, Eric Byrnes in THE MAN!
Secondly, I don’t see how we have any need at all for someone like Julio Lugo. We already have more talented position players than we have room for. With the young guys doing as well as they have been lately, there really isn’t anywhere for Byrnes to play everyday anyway, and with Julio Lugo being as lazy as he is I think I’d rather have Byrnes out there any day. And in the chance that Felipe Lopez is gone next year, I have to think that we have better options than Lugo. If we’re going to trade Byrnes for anything, I’d rather we get some decent relief pitchers and maybe someone to replace Doug Davis if we decide not to pick him up again.
You can say whatever you want about Eric Byrnes, but the fact is that the guy gives 110% every time he’s on the field, whether he’s struggling offensively or not. He’s one of the best fielders in the game, plays harder than just about anyone else, and gives a lot of heart to this team, and that, to me at least, is way more valuable than whatever relatively small increase in batting average Julio Lugo would bring. And let’s not forget that he was a huge part in getting us to the playoffs just two years ago – Julio Lugo will NEVER have that kind of impact on a team.
With that said, I understand that he’s not the future of this team and will be gone as soon as his contract expires. At this point I think that a change of scenery would probably be best for him, and our younger players need the chance to play everyday. I just can’t stand all of the Byrnes hate considering how much he’s given to this team in the short time that he’s been with us. Wherever he ends up, I hope he can find a way out of this slump and be the star player that I know he is again…
Well, there’s my two cents. (And I just heard about the Lopez trade as soon as I finished writing this, but I still wanted to post it anyway)
I read the first two lines of this and thought it was a joke.
Sadly, it wasn’t. I can’t believe you honestly support Eric Byrnes. He’s clogging our budget (our fault admittedly, but we can still blame him for not at least partially living up to expectations), and is hitting .212! .212!!! .212 to .284 is not a “small increase in batting average.” 110% from Eric Byrnes isn’t as good as 90% from Julio Lugo anymore. As for being “one of the best fielders in the game,” I guess that explains why he was third (I believe) on the SportsCenter’s Not Top 10 Plays of the entire first half of the baseball season. Schwoops. And we have a ton of talented outfielders, yes. But no talented infielders anymore. So why you’d not want to do this is inexplicable.
And by the by, we don’t get anything else of value for Byrnes. Our only option is someone either equally or moreso overpaid. There’s no getting relief pitchers or a starter to fill in for Doug Davis. Stop having pipe dreams. He sucks.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you’re going to go by batting average, I’d think that you’d be more interested in getting rid of Chris Young as his is even worse than Eric Byrnes’ is. The sad truth that this year, on this team, a .212 batting average is pretty much on par with the mediocrity we’ve been getting from most of our players. I don’t see any reason to ostracize Byrnes for it when it’s more the case of a team slumping as a whole.
I’ve only been following baseball since 2007, and Eric Byrnes was a huge factor in why I became a fan of the Diamondbacks. I may not be as savvy or interested in numbers as some of you here, but in my opinion, yeah, in my opinion you support your players, especially when they’re struggling. Just look at the Red Sox – There were people last year that we’re saying that Jason Varitek was through, and that he’d never play again. But the team and the fans stuck with him, and while he hasn’t exactly been putting up monster numbers, he still helps his team offensively, and you just cant quantify what he brings in regards to leadership and understanding of the game. I feel like it’s sort of the same thing with Byrnes – Yeah, he’s not hitting the ball too well, but he provides a passion for the game on a team that has been lacking a lot of it this season.
I have no idea what SportsCenter’s Not Top 10 Plays is or how it’s a barometer for a player’s performace, so I’m not going to get into his fielding because honestly I’m not a stats guy. All I know is that Eric Byrnes catches a lot of balls that other players probably wouldn’t have caught, and gives his all whenever he’s out there. And that’s enough for me (although I think that Jim Mc-something made a post recently that stated that he was by far our best fielder.)
Justin Upton has sucked recently. But I still support him and want him on the team. And our season has been pretty horrible so far, but I still watch the games and still care, and still have hope that we might somehow make the playoffs this year. It might not always be fun, but I still do it.
That’s just the way that I see it. Sorry if this doesn’t make much sense – I’ve been drinkin’ a little.
Well...
The final sentence lightens the mood. : P Anywho, we can’t trade CY because he’s A) under control for longer and B) much cheaper. And in June and July, he’s been doing very well – http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=6514 so he’s making the right strides, and is only 25. Also, he’s got better OBP and SLG numbers than Byrnes. Byrnes is old, overpaid, and was a journeyman-type every year before his breakout, out-of-his-mind season in ‘07, and has been worse than a journeyman-type every year following. There’s just no reason to believe in improvement. And passion isn’t enough of a reason to keep a crappy player.
For the SportsCenter Not Top 10 – it’s a top-10 bloopers reel from the first half of the season. Byrnes was #3. The play in Florida where he accidentally lost the ball into the stands as he was trying to throw it and allowed the runners to advance another base. Byrnes is a good defender, but not a great one – being the top on this team isn’t saying much with all the errors we’ve committed. And you still want Upton because he’s 21, quickly improving, and is going to be a Hall of Fame-level player.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You DO know
that it’s a 6 month suspension of your SnakePit license if you’re caught PUI, right?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Right
If you can’t PUI, how would Jim make it through recaps of some of these games?
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
C'mon.
Jim’s the owner of the Snakepit. You KNOW the penalties for PUI don’t apply to the rich and famous.
Just like how Donte’ Stallworth gets to serve 30 days for hitting and killing someone while driving drunk.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
True enough
But for the rest of us, it certainly means their “Hey, you can post from the bar!” down at the bottom seems like entrapment.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
Just remember:
if she’s a cop, SHE can’t approach YOU, YOU have to approach HER.
Wait… what are we talking about?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Hey now...
He did jump in front of Stallworth’s car…
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, just wow
He’s one of the best fielders in the game
I guess all those lame flips and dives do impress someone.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Ooh, stunning comeback
Way better than being able to support your argument with, I don’t know, numbers and stats.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
R U Seriouz?!
OK then, please support your argument that my comeback sucks with “numbers and stats” and I’ll get right back to you…
I’m not sure how my point that “Eric Byrnes catches the ball” needs to be backed up with anything at all. I have the right to say whatever the fuck I want to, just like you have the right to be rude to people on the internet for no reason…
Perhaps if you took the time to actually read what I was replying to you’d see that it was condescending as hell and had nothing to do with stats or numbers either. But whateva.
Errrr....
you don’t have the right to say “f***” at the Snakepit, except when Jim gives very specific permission, making the ’Pit a free fire zone. (Usually, when the bullpen blows a 6 run lead in the 9th inning)
I’m not going to hide your comment, simply to use it as an example for anyone who’s not aware of that rule. Next time, it’ll be hidden and you’ll be warned.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ooooooooohhhhhhh
Someone’s in twouble….
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey hey.
No piling on.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Meh
It’s fun though…
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but "one of the Best fielders in the game" and
Eric Byrnes in the same thought, I just cannot stop laughing!
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There are statistics to prove you're wrong.
I’m sorry, I’m glad that someone supports the guy, because for a minute I thought that number had dwindled down to zero, but he’s just horrible. We either trade him or we’re going to release him. He’s gone within the next two weeks regardless.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the guy personally,
just not as a $10 million injured 4th/5th outfielder. I won’t forget what he did to help the team get to the 2007 NLCS, but neither will I forget the idiotic contract Moorad gave him, independently of (Josh) Byrnes.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Precisely
Therein lies the rub.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Me either!
Byrnes is NOT the best fielder in the game…just a drama queen who should be wearing ballet slippers and a tutu! imagining photoshopped pic of Byrnes a freakin’ ballerina
ROTFLMAO! Him being the BEST fielder in the game would be like Conor Jackson winning an Oscar for his stone-faced 3-line performance on “General Hospital”
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually,
Byrnes legitimately IS a good fielder, when he’s healthy… largely because so much of his offensive game depends on his feet, which gives him good range in the OF. As a LF, he’s well above average defensively, since most LFs tend to suck. (Think Manny, Gonzo, etc.) When he plays CF, well… not so much.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
But the bat no longer plays in left
So…. Mehhhhhhhh.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly...
If only we could… sigh
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 19, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
That’d be a nice trade.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We could use the 1B...
And his deal ends at the same time. CALL THE NATS! They’re stupid enough to be convinced.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 20, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait -- really?
I thought Dunn was only signed for 1 year?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Nope.
Two years, like $16M I think. I may be really wrong about that though. I do know he’s making $8M this year, but don’t know if he’s up for a raise next year.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
No!
Our 2B of the future is clearly Cole Gillespie.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Sorry Stritt
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2009/07/20/20090720dbtrades-CR.html
read the bottom
DUN DUN DUH
Owwwwwwwwww.
Odd. But whatevs. They have reasons I guess.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you need
to do something outside of the house lol that took under an hour to check.
and i was going to text you, Sheffield out with cramps.
oh the innner child in me…
Then...
“F*** it, let’s bowl.” We should. Tomorrow?
And he has been making monthly trips to the DL this season. I thought it was age, but…
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 22, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I've noticed the roster of the Reno Aces
Has Gillespie listed as a 2B. Makes me wonder why nobody else had thought of this before – a.k.a. can he field the position? If so, his bat becomes instantly way more valuable, but that’s left to see.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
The final nail in the coffin of a Byrnes-Lugo deal:
The Sox have traded Lugo to the St. Louis Cardinals for OF Chris Duncan.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
They got rid of Duncan, who makes about 400k
in order to acquire the much worse Byrnes, who makes $15M. Great idea for the St. Louis LaPujols’.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 23, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT HIS DEFENSE
ITS SOOOO GOOOD
Pedro Cerrano: Jesus, I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.
Eddie Harris: You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Har de har har?
I guess?
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant Lugo of course.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards got Matt Holliday
So much for their ‘wanting of Eric Byrnes’….
"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"--
Pitcher Eddie Harris in the movie "Major League"
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant Lugo.
They never wanted Byrnes.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second....
are you implying that other teams might be unwilling to trade for the Great Eric Byrnes!?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Believe it
If you can.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Errr....
the Great Beric Yrnes, I mean…
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I like the Beric Yrnes thing
Makes him sound kind of like a Norse Hero. A.k.a. not lame.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially
if his epithet is “the Great”.
Actually, I get instinctively angry when I write or say the name Eric Byrnes, and Beric Yrnes makes me less angry, so I might have to keep using it.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 26, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That might be considered a version of therapy...
At least if the person considering it isn’t an actual therapist.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take
the rapist for 200.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I'll take
Anal Bum Cover for 400.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Potent Potables?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I just want them to pick it, already.
Just once….
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant Lugo.
And after the Holliday trade, it’s not seeming like too bad of an idea anymore, since they’re clearly making a title run.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 26, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lugo Update:
Currently 8-14 in St. Louis, with 1 HR, 2 3B. 2 2B. 4 R, 2 RBI, & 1 SB in three games. It’s a small sample-size, to be certain, but that’s raised his season batting average to .317. and the Cardinals have to happy with the deal so far.
Someone pay Eric Byrnes $500,000 to be extreme and base jump into the Grand Canyon. Then screw with his equipment. Please.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

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