Charlie Manuel tabs Tim Lincecum, snubs Dan Haren, for All-Star start
Tim Lincecum has nudged Dan Haren out to start the All-Star game. While Lincecum has clearly been very good this season he has not put up the numbers that Dan Haren has. Haren leads the league in ERA with 2.01, K/BB with 8.06, and his WHIP with .81. Lincecum does not even come close to Haren's stats in these catagories with a 2.33 ERA, a 4.38 K/BB ratio, and a WHIP of 1.05.
You could make the Argument that Lincecum is more of a strikeout pitcher than Haren but he only has 20 more strikeouts than him. You could also say "well he hasn't allowed 12 homers like Haren" but Lincecum doesn't play in a hitters park like Haren does. There doesn't really seem to be any justification for Lincecum starting over Haren other than the fact that he is on a winning team and has gotten national exposure. Haren is pitching for a small market team that is not playing well at all this season and that is probably the biggest reason why he is not starting at the All-Star game.
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Hmm
If only there was some sort of way to compare these two pitchers to see who has had the better first half.
Oh, right, there is. Lincecum wins in wins, strikeouts, and stupid hair, but Dan, ahem, WHIPs him in more important categories. Lincecum starting is just another lame move from Manuel.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
Kinda like
the idea that Jayson Freaking Werth is somehow an All Star??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Kinda like how...
Shane Victorino is now the starter in center field since Beltran isn’t going to play. Or how about how he has chosen 3 back up first baseman and it just so happens that Ryan Howard is one of those players…
Ryan
“9th in the majors in home runs” Howard?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Charlie Manuel
is a ****ing idiot.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
There's
absolutely no reason whatsoever for Lincecum to be starting the All-Star game, except that he won the Cy Young award last year. Haren’s had the much better season so far IN SPADES.
WTF!??
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I find your reaction absolutely hilarious
After spending your time campaigning for a statistically inferior player to make the 25th man ballot, now you’re upset when a statistically inferior player gets the nod to start the game over the hometown boy.
I have to say, I’m not bothered by this in the slightest. While I agree that Haren has been the superior pitcher thus far this season, it’s not the All-first half game. They’ve both been outstanding so why not give the nod to the reigning Cy Young winner? If Haren wins the Cy Young this year then he can come back and start next year in place of a more deserving pitcher.
Also, Jayson Werth is having a better year than Reynolds this season. And last year. And the year before. And well, every year of his career.
i find your post absolutely ignorant
The All-Star game is the All-first half game. If it isn’t, please tell me why Ben Zobrist is in. If we are going by career numbers lets get Griffey, ManRam, Jim Thome, A-Rod, Giambi, David Ortiz out there. Your argument is senseless. Also, how do you figure that Werth and Sandoval are having better years than Reynolds? Just wondering. I know Reynolds doesn’t have a great average, thus his OBP and OPS are probably going to be lower, but you cannot argue with the power numbers and steals.
Why are you even a DBacks fan?
All you ever do is say how undeserving our players are or how crappy our players are compared to others. I mean come on, who goes out there and votes for a player just because a team over campaigned for a deserving player.
Jayson Werth: .884 OPS in 2009
Mark Reynolds: .888 OPS in 2009
How is Werth having a better year than Reynolds again?
And the last man on the roster (33rd, not 25th) is MUCH less important than the starting pitcher. Chances are, Victorino wouldn’t have even played — except that Beltran’s out, so Manuel “happens” to choose his guy, Victorino, to start in CF.
Why not give the nod to the reigning Cy Young winner? Because it’s entirely on reputation. It’s not the “2008 All Star Game, played in July 2009”, it’s the “2009 All Star Game” — as in, only this season should be relevant. And Haren’s had a better year than Lincecum in almost every way. That Lincecum should be chosen to start over Haren entirely because of an award he won for his performance LAST year is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
by DbacksSkins on Jul 14, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a dizzying response
It’s the All-Star 2009 game. Not the All-Star Last Half of 2008 Season Plus First Half of 2009 Season game.
We’ve all exhausted the discussion enough. Dan Haren is simply, flat-out, no questions asked, the better pitcher so far this season. To judge any decision based on last year’s statistics is silly. According to your little theory, Cliff Lee should be starting the All-Star game this year because, although his stats are inferior to Roy Halladay’s right now, he was the 2008 Cy Young winner and deserves the start instead.
To add to the Reynolds vs. Werth argument, you’re just shooting off random statements. To say that “Jayson Werth is having a better year than Reynolds” is like saying that two dollars is better than one dollar – is it really worth discussing? It’s interchangeable anyway as both players have posted pretty similar numbers.
Mark Reynolds 2009
Jayson Werth 2009
And for the “every year of his career” remark, there’s not much to talk about. Reynolds has only had one full season so I’m not sure why you would even compare career stats to begin with.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 14, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Though I believe Danny deserves it
I’m not too torn up about it. This way his health isn’t at risk for a game that means nothing to us. Timmy can go out there and risk his health. We’ll watch. Either way both pitchers were deserving.
Go DBacks!
I'm so pissed off about this,
I hope Timcecum DOES get hurt out there.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Plus,
I hate his stupid lame girly hair.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
How quickly we forget
who is the better pitcher? I’m glad you think it is Haren too
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Haren:
2.70 FIP, .245 BABIP
Lincecum:
2.01 FIP, .313 BABIP
I will let you draw your own conclusions. Hint : Both are good, one has been better, the other one has been luckier.
haren better
lincedum lucky
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"Luckier"
Yeah, posting the second-best WHIP in National League history. That’s luck.
Sure….
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I told you at McCC.
FIP only tells you which pitcher strikes out more hitters. Haren allows fewer baserunners. That’s the pitcher’s job.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Nice but futile effort at McC, 'Skins
“A wise man once said do not argue with fools, because from a distance people cannot tell who is who.”
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I sorta figured it would be. I just went over there to see what they were saying about it.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I think I could probably have guessed
Pretty much the same as we’d have said had Haren got it. Except, of course, we’d have been justified… :-)
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, basically.
Which is why it’s kinda amusing. I know I’d be saying more or less the exact same stuff if it were Haren.
Except I’d be right.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I’m not really trying to participate in this pissing match,but that’s not really true.
It’s about 2/3 untrue, you might say.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
BUT IT'S NOT PERMED!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Haren's health will be at risk anyways as he most certainly will pitch.
Unless Manuel pulls another bonehead move.
Was looking through Nick Piecoro's blog and....
found this. Haren wasn’t even in the top five by player voting for pitchers, that’s just freaking nuts. I hope next time we face the Phillis that Haren remembers how Manuel snubbed him for the little girl in San Fran.
Agree.
I hope Haren throws a “wild pitch” and hits Manuel in the dugout.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
FAIL
Seriously. It doesn’t make too much difference in terms of the game – it’s not like Haren isn’t going to pitch as a result – but it’s an honor that Haren fully deserved for his staggering performance over the first half of the season.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Jeez , my tinnitus must be acting up again.
All I hear is this loud WHINE…
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, it is just a game
after all. I mean who really cares that a snot nose little punk gets put on a pedestal and he isn’t even the best pitcher in the league?
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a prob
Pick your reason Lincecum won’t be able to start:
A) “Flu-like symptoms”
B) His mom insists he has to be home for dinner.
C) He gets stuck beneath Charlie Manuel’s desk.
D) All of the above.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I'll be rooting like
mad for the American league at the start of the game.
Have we sent the "Don't shoot, we're pathetic" transmission yet?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
Me too.
And I HATE the American League.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
that is so unlike you
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI. WHITE SOX BASEBALL FUTILE TILL THE END. SOMETHINGS AREN'T EVEN WORTH FIGHTING FOR NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
by pierzynskirules on Jul 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
I hate the DH.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
even though it gives people
that can’t play the field anymore a chance to play
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI. WHITE SOX BASEBALL FUTILE TILL THE END. SOMETHINGS AREN'T EVEN WORTH FIGHTING FOR NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
by pierzynskirules on Jul 13, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So what?
If you suck at fielding, that’s a choice the manager has to make. Take the bad with the good.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
hitting is at such a low supply
with high salaries
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI. WHITE SOX BASEBALL FUTILE TILL THE END. SOMETHINGS AREN'T EVEN WORTH FIGHTING FOR NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
by pierzynskirules on Jul 13, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
for every reason you can come up with to support the DH
I have at least one to get rid of the DH. Unfortunately, (for me), it seems to be here to stay.
true its not going anywhere
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI. WHITE SOX BASEBALL FUTILE TILL THE END. SOMETHINGS AREN'T EVEN WORTH FIGHTING FOR NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.
by pierzynskirules on Jul 13, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Charley Manuel is not a reason to root against the NL
Once the D’Backs are done, I’ll root like hell for the NL West. Once the NL West is done, I’ll root like hell for the NL. Once the NL is done, I’ll root like hell for MLB (to ban the DH)
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
+10 for the ban the DH comment.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Halladay's starting
over Greinke, too, even though Greinke has better numbers.
Maddon and Manuel both prefer reputation over performance, apparently.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Wins! Itz awl abowt da winz!
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Pena
replacing Pedroia is another head-scratcher.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
oh well I don't know about that
I’m just kinda a Kinsler hater. Like the Rangers, hate Kinsler.
Go DBacks!
I never voted for him.
All I know is he deserved it more than Pena. Chone Figgins even deserved it more. I wouldn’t have a complaint if either of those were chosen over Pena.
Yeah
the joke is that Pena is having a pretty awful year.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
he has a .228 average
and people said Reynolds didn’t deserve a spot on the roster because of his .258 average.
Minor factoid
Of the 83 National League pitchers with 50 IP this year, Tim Lincecum is ranked #80 for strength of hitters faced. His batters have had an OPS of only .705, twenty points less than the league median.
Mind you, since Davis and Scherzer are #82 and #83, maybe we shoudn’t be yelling about this metric too much…
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Above Lincecum
Not enormously, but above [sorry for the vagueness, but closed the window since, and it was a real beeyotch to find the numbers! I’ll see if I can revive them later, but got a bunch of other stuff to do first]
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, seriously
You think Lincecum is good? Haren would look even better if he could make two of his 18 starts against the Diamondbacks offense, too.
(Sad, but true?)
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
It would have been
nice if Danny started the game. But honestly, people who think that the starting nod goes to the best pitcher must also believe that the all-star roster spots go to the best players and the home run derby invites go to the top home run hitters. It’s a popularity contest everywhere you look.
In play, out(s)
Yeah,
but even so. I was really looking forward to Danny being one of only…. what? 4 or 5 pitchers to have started the ASG for both the AL and NL?
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I wanna say three
It was a trivia question the other night. Think we got two – Clemens and Johnson – but I forget who the third was.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Haren would be the 4th.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Vida Blue
He actually started three ASGs. For Oakland in 1971 and ’75 – and with the Giants in ’78.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jul 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
um...
didn’t danny start last year?
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, 2007
Yes.
Ben Sheets, for some reason, started last year…
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 13, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
For the AL
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
I, for one, am glad Haren isnt starting
Dan’s health will be better preserved because:
One: Timmy pitched one day early then Dan so Timmy is better able to go all 2 innings that the starter usually gets.
Two: Dan should only go one inning in the game, about the same work as a mid-start bullpen session.
We, need Haren a lot more in the future then we need the NL to win the ASG this year when we wont be anywhere near the playoffs.
Congratulations, Dan, you are a deserving All Star and I hope you go one inning on three pitches, and then rest.
Tuesday is his (Dan's) normal rotation slot
so I’m okay with him going 2 innings if need be / wanted by Manuel.
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt the DBacks would have a problem with it anyways.
As it’s not like they are really in the running for the playoffs right now.
Nice to see Lincecum taking the honor respectfully
“While Halladay was dressed as if were attending a business meeting, Lincecum showed up in torn blue jeans, an untucked shirt and a wool cap.” Apparently, he also said, and I quote, “I’m going to have Matt Cain put a leash around my neck and keep me in my room.” Link
Ah, so that is why they call him ‘The Freak’. It all makes sense now. Especially playing where he does.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Didn't Haren start
for the AL when the game was in San Francisco? And the manager said the decision was solely based on the fact that it was in San Francisco and he was local. Had the game been elsewhere, the starter would not have been Haren.
We all KNOW the ASG is NOT about “the best” players and “the most deserving” players. There’s a reason fans vote for the starters! Because it’s a SHOW. Lincecum starting makes A BETTER SHOW – we can all admit that, last year’s NL CY Young winner (who didn’t even get to pitch last year with the flu) with long hair and a weird delivery. It’s not like Dan isn’t going to be the second or third pitcher into the game.
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
Thank you :)
I mean yeah it would’ve been nice but we all know that’s not what the ASG is about…. not saying it shouldn’t be, just that, it’s not, so…. {shrug}
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
sore losers
Leave it to a bunch of sore losers in conservative macho Arizona to bash the current Cy Young winner’s hair, call him a girl, insult San Francisco. Homphobic uneducated dullards. Jealous, much?
And with one easy click
The ban hammer descends. Thanks for stopping by.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly
Some people don’t understand our sense of humor. ;)
Besides, ya’ll know I’d kick your butts if you actually insulted San Francisco!
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
San Francisco sucks!
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Some people
And what’s with the dullard remark? Is this the 15th century?
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's amusing
Marilyn Pittman mis-spells “Homophobic”, then accuses us of being “uneducated dullards.” Maybe that should be our new slogan AZ SnakePit – home of the “Homphobic [sic] uneducated dullards”.
I dunno, but I’d expect a self-professed “comedian” to have a sense of humor.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Uneducated dullards
was a bit much, but several preceding comments were childish and inflammatory – particularly yours – so pittman’s snotty response should come as little surprise.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jul 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if anyone
Would know about “childish and inflammatory” comments, it would be you.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo again, Boss!
It’s my fault. Way to cut thru all this gay, Tim Lincecum leather boy noise that I completely fabricated.
This Pittman kerfuffle is You Dishing Out Crass Innuendo And Not Being Able To Take A Little in Return (Volume XXXVII, Issue XXiV). You implied Lincecum was homosexual (yuk, yuk). You implied he was into S&M (yuk, yuk). You implied he didnt take the ASG start seriously because of the way he dressed (yuk, yuk).
And I could honestly care less, provided you werent baiting outsiders with this garbage and then getting all huffy over faux decorum, claiming lines have been crossed, as soon as a newcomer understandably calls out your snide ad hominem. It’s your hypocrisy and double standard of discourse that’s offensive here, more than the initial content, imo. The idea you can quite irresponsibly slag one of their heroes without provocation, then mount some puerile “defense” it was all in jest, and banning “people with big problems” for not getting your great big funny.
I’m afraid the biggest joke here is your professed “standard” of discourse.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jul 14, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
All
the history of you two aside, I’d have to agree that if someone on their first visit (which is to be expected with the higher profile SBNation has now) and saw these comments, they probably wouldn’t know what to think.
Now, obviously most of us know it’s just joking, but a random visitor might not take it that way, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that some of the jokes have been very off-color. I frequently dip my toe past the line, but I’m certainly not going to deny it.
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
+1
Well said. Even I have found several to have gone much farther than we normally go…
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I repeat
if you find things here unacceptable, simply incline your head to the right and you’ll see the Close Window button. Please use it. I, for one, would not miss your arrogant, self-aggrandizing hypocrisy in the slightest.
As for ad hominem attack, should I reprint the delightful post that got you banned from here previously? Or perhaps your charming comments comparing those who didn’t want to cheer for Johnson to skinheads and plantation owners? You have a long, wretched history of passive-aggressive behavior, and zero tolerance for those who dare disagree with you, that has worn out your welcome on multiple locations and forums. How many threads have I had to close because of your diatribes?
I do not ride over to your blog on my high horse and deliver moral lectures about the standards of your posts and comments there [though admittedly that’s partly because your deathless prose, banging away at the same, tired old topics makes me lose unconsciousness three sentences in] Please do me the same kindness.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 14, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
I thought it was people who hated Mister Homn.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
What?
Where?!
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
And where was the homophobic part?
I missed it.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 13, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
We cheer for a team in a state that’s mostly Republican. Hence, we’re all homophobic.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
Good clarification.
Nothing like sweeping generalizations, huh?
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 13, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously all the Republicans in the world are evil
and Arizona is a hot bed for such conservative satanic rituals
Go DBacks!
Wow
Sweeping generalizations about posters, expanding our comments to somehow insult the whole city of San Francisco, and making vast assumptions about everyone involved, and yet he says we’re sore losers?
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
The San Francisco remark
was in reference to this post, I assume.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
Stop me if I'm wrong
But strikes me you need to try a lot harder to get nicknamed “The Freak” in San Francisco than in Phoenix…

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I really
could have done without seeing this guy.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia
+1
For many reasons, starting with the purple lipstick and eye paint, which is blue-violet, while his costume and gloves are red-violet. Speaking of standards!
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 13, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
did he get dressed in the parade closet?
I was so lucky getting mono. That was like the best diet ever.
Seeing that was at the parade a few weeks ago
chances are probably yes. ;)
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
by snakecharmer on Jul 13, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon
You gotta like someone who has the self-confidence to go out dressed like that.
"Wait, am I keeping it real or kicking it old school? I can never remember which one is cool now."
Not if he can't match his lipstick to his clothing.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 13, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations!
You’ve been BANNED…once again exposing this “community’s” thuggish double standards.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jul 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
"Homphobic uneducated dullards"
Crap typing aside, it’s not the kind of post I would accept from anyone, let alone for their first ever on SB Nation.
if you find that unacceptable, simply incline your head to the right and you’ll see the Close Window button. I suggest you use it, and stay away from this “thuggish” community – to which, I recall, you came back, pleading for re-admittance after you yourself were banned. Want me to crank up the Wayback Machine and reprint the post that got you revoked?
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s not the kind of post I would accept from anyone, let alone for their first ever on SB Nation
I agree it’s pretty strong, but you’re failing to take any personal responsibility in this game. Pittmonster didnt appear out of the blue. Pittman spake, apparently, in direct response to your incendiary nonsense. And instead of considering the situation, and thinking, “Gee, maybe I kind of deserve at least some of this, maybe I went a little too far”, “I can see how someone else might be upset with this”, you retreat into your self-righteous shell, banning people, insulting people you’ve banned, threatening to ban other people. Even when AVS offers up a startlingly polite appeal, you’ll have none of it. It’s always someone else’s fault. Never Jim McLennan’s.
Layer upon layer of obfuscation, about women sleeping their way to the top, about strangers not having a sense of humor, about all this being Diamondhacks’ fault. Learning to occasionally say you’re sorry or “I made a mistake” would do you – and this blog – a world of good.
Want me to crank up the Wayback Machine and reprint the post that got you revoked?
This is what I mean. Make this about me, something that happened, what, a year ago, to deflect from your real time rudeness, today. Reprint it, I dont care. It says more about your fear of me than me, and I dont regret a word of it, or feel the slightest embarrassed by it. Of course, if history is any judge, what you’ll do is reprint it, ban me, then presume to speak for me, because that’s how you evidently roll.
I suggest you use it, and stay away from this "thuggish" community – to which, I recall, you came back, pleading for re-admittance after you yourself were banned.
You recall wrong. I never pleaded for re-admittance. I asked for a fair shake. There’s a difference. After you capriciously banned me for confirmimg shoe was “full of sh*t” ( something he subsequently and very graciously owned up to), I simply asked that posters not make spurious references to my positions or presume to speak on my behalf. I was perfectly fine if everyone left it at that. But, if you and others were going to publish sniggering references and false assumptions about what I said (which is exactly what happened) on the internet, I felt journalistic integrity behooved you to allow me to substantively defend myself in your forum. It’s your blog and you didnt have to agree to that, but you did, which I appreciate. That said, I would have considered you a first-rate asshat if you hadnt.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jul 14, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's all about you
No, actually it’s not. Much though you obviously want that to be the case, and much though you are, clearly, trying to provoke me into banning you, so you can play the martyr. Sadly, it ain’t gonna happen. I have absolutely no regrets about banning someone whose only contribution to the site is a blanket generalization insulting the members here: it was not a mistake in the slightest.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 14, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think that
some of the comments about Lincecum could come across as homophobic to a first time reader;
Plenty of not so subtle references to San Francisco culture and;
“C) He gets stuck beneath Charlie Manuel’s desk”
or maybe I’ve misunderstood the implication there?
I’m sure that nobody here is anti-gay, but to someone visiting the site for the first-time? It might not come across as quite so funny.
'Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?'
by Arizona via Slough on Jul 13, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Let's just say
If anyone takes the suggestion that Lincecum traded sexual favors with Charlie Manuel for his start, the slightest bit seriously, then they’ve got far bigger problems than this site. And even so, had I made an identical suggestion that, say, an actress slept her way into a role, it could hardly be considered anti-heterosexual.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 13, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well no,
you wouldn’t be considered anti-heterosexual, but it could be considered sexist to suggest that a woman got a role through sexual favours..However, obviously I don’t take the suggestion seriously, but there was a trend that a first time visitor could have misconstrued.
'Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?'
by Arizona via Slough on Jul 13, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
It’s sexist to even suggest a woman gains advantage through sexual favors, but homophobic to suggest a man got a role the same way. Got to love the double-standards of political correctness, which can expand from a specific comment about one person, and claim broadly-directed offense to everyone in the group. And I’m not quite sure what “trend” you mean. It’s not like this site is devoted to discussing the sexual tendencies of Tim Lincecum.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 14, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Somebody visiting the site for the first time
shouldn’t post a post like that. Get to know the community first before you jump in with your foot in your mouth.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 13, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh..I missed out on all the fun
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
total crap
Lowest NL ERA, highest K/BB ratio in NL, highest % of QS. Lincecum K’s more people, and gets more wins. Haren was the right choice; but it’ll be fine, i’m sure he’d rather have a Cy Young award.
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
To avoid this degenerating
Any further than it already has, I’m locking the thread. Sad that it’s necessary, but I think it’s for the best. Everyone has expressed their opinion and I sincerely doubt continuing the “discussion” would be in any way productive.
Please rejoin us tomorrow when people might actually want to talk about baseball.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jul 14, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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