Diamondbacks 5, Dodgers 6: AJ, What in heaven were you thinking?
Record: 23-30. Pace: 70-92. Change on last season: -7. Change on 2004: +3.
Pop quiz. You go to a restaurant one night. The ambiance is wretched, the service appalling, and the food awful - dessert comes with an unexpected garnish of rat droppings. The next night, do you a) eat somewhere else, or b) go back to the same place, in the optimistic belief it can't possibly be so bad again. If you answered b), then you are AJ Hinch, manager of the Arizona Diamondbacks. For the very next night after Tony Peña got slapped around like the heroine in a Lifetime TVM, and came as close to blowing a three-run lead as possible, Hinch opted to send Peña out there again, to face much the same hitters. Any prizes for guessing what happened?
Yep. Despite the struggles of our bullpen, the Diamondbacks have only lost twice this season when coming into the eighth inning ahead. However, both have come in the past eight days, involved Peña heavily, and saw us blow leads of six and four runs: the Dodgers scored five runs in the eighth this evening, to overturn a 5-1 lead. Peña allowed four earned runs in two-thirds of an inning, and was left there beyond the point where even his own mother would have left him on the mound. At the very latest he should have been yanked after walking Furcal to load the bases; however, he was hung out to die by Hinch, and the four-pitch walk to Hudson which followed, driving in a run, reeked of the inevitable.
Inexplicably, in this ultimate pressure-cooker of a situation, in front of 30,000-plus screaming Dodgers fans, Hinch went to Daniel Schlereth, a man with exactly two (2) innings of experience above the Double-A level. The Son of Stink preceded to stink things up himself, with a bases-clearing double to right-center that tied the game, and a single to the other side of second that scored the fifth run for Los Angeles. That gave them victory, after Broxton retired Arizona 1-2-3 in the ninth - we've now allowed 44 runs in the eighth, more than any other frame.
I haven't gone into the Gameday Thread - and have no intention of doing so [let's just say I would have authorized the use of F-bombs in the comments there] - but can anyone shed any light on the mental processes which led Hinch to his choice of bullpen pitchers in that inning? While I watched the eighth unfold from The Sets, the sound was off [karaoke night in the main bar]. and so I can offer no explanation. I just know that my reaction when I saw Peña taking the mound was, quite simply, "WTF?" I can only presume that every other relief pitcher the Diamondbacks posses had been involved in a band-saw accident that afternoon; there's no other rational explanation.
Dan Haren therefore found himself robbed of another win, after another scintillating performance - in his seven losses and no-decisions this year, he has had six quality starts and his ERA is a marvelous 3.13. He two-hit the Dodgers through seven innings, with the sole blot on his copybook a solo homer to Ethier in the second that landed about twenty rows into the bleachers - Justin Upton took two steps back, then clearly thought, "Nah, no point." The only other hit was a ground-rule double with one out in the fifth, though Haren's walkless streak ended with a lead-off base on balls to Orlando Hudson in the seventh. Hudson was the 109th batter Dan had faced since the last time he allowed a free pass, on May 7th. But it wasn't enough.
I imagine part of the reason for his performance was the confidence that can only be obtained when you trot around the bases, propelled by a grand-slam. For that's what Haren got to do in the top of the second, courtesy of Justin Upton - and just when it looked like Arizona would waste another golden opportunity. They'd already done so in the first, loading the bases with no-one out, but could only scratch across one run, on a Reynolds ground-out. They loaded the bases again in the second, with one out, but Ryan Roberts popped out feebly on the infield and failure once again beckoned. Upton, however, was having none of it, and drove an 0-1 pitch into the bleachers - the flip of his bat that followed might have seemed somewhat show-offish perhaps? Doubt the Dodgers care now.
That one swing drove in more runs than Arizona had managed during any game in Los Angeles for more than a year. However, the Diamondbacks failed to capitalize on a reeling Randy Wolf, instead taking their foot off the Dodgers' throats. We didn't get anyone into scoring position again until the eighth inning, and Wolf faced the minimum 13 batters the rest of his night, which got him through six. In the top of the eighth, back-to-back singles with two out by Eric Byrnes and Chris Young gave Arizona a last chance to pad the lead, but Chris Snyder grounded out, and the rest of the game unfolded as detailed above. Roberts and Felipe Lopez had two hits each, but Haren surpassed them all, going 3-for-3 to get his average up to .280. That's higher than all save three of the starters tonight.
So, through what appears at this point to be rank mismanagement, instead of looking for the sweep, we find ourselves relying on Jon Garland to give us a chance of avoiding defeat in the series. That's a much less comfortable situation, shall we say. Here's the Fangraph - those of a nervous disposition might want to consider averting their eyes...

[Click to enlarge at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Justin Upton, +29.1%
Honorable mention: Dan Haren, +23.7%
God-emperor of suck: Daniel Schlereth, -69.3%
Dishonorable mention: Augie Ojeda, -12.2%
This was a 97.3% chance of victory that we let slip, at the point where Peña got the second out in the eighth inning. Remarkably, it wasn't the worst blown lead of the day in the National League. The Cubs were 5-0 up in the eighth against the Braves - a 98.0% Win Probability - and ended up losing 6-5. So, it is some comfort to realize that, no matter how bad we may feel, Cubs fans feel worse. That nuclear sound you hear in the distance? That was Bleed Cubbie Blue reaching the event horizon, I imagine.
There was a Gameday Thread, and with over 800 comments in it, seems it was quite busy. I am, however, far too upset to look. This may be a first: soco was the only person to get into three figures, with pierzynskirules running backup. Also present: snakecharmer, DbacksSkins, pygalgia, Wactivist, TwinnerA, ASUJon, unnamedDBacksfan, luckycc, IHateSouthBend, 4 Corners Fan, venomfan, Scrbl, mrssoco, kishi, katers, Azreous, Brendan Scolari, jonny-yuma, chem, isoldout, Xeifrank and Turambar. I am going to bed now: once again, nearly at midnight. Fortunately, azreous is on the recap tomorrow, and it's an off-day Thursday: it'll probably be about Friday night before I feel capable of watching any Diamondbacks baseball.
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Jim
must have shit a brick when he read through the GDT, saw not one, not two, but THREE off-topic conversations that went all the way to the right side margin, and realized that I wasn’t really involved in ANY of them.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
My bad.
I just noticed that he hasn’t actually read the GDT yet.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
suck up
Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.
by pierzynskirules on Jun 3, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
When you do something wrong 9 times out of 10, pointing out the one time you didn’t do it wrong isn’t really sucking up.
Go Dbacks. (Temporary signature)
always got an explanation for me, geez
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI, HE'S MY MENACE.. GO WHITE SOX! I'M NOT SHORT , I'M FUN SIZED!
by pierzynskirules on Jun 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
no i don't
I LOVE A.J PIERZYNSKI, HE'S MY MENACE.. GO WHITE SOX! I'M NOT SHORT , I'M FUN SIZED!
by pierzynskirules on Jun 4, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair,
if I might add some new information to your metaphor, Jim, you’ve been going to this restaurant for months now, and their food, service, and ambiance has always been EXCELLENT before.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Read the comments
after the recap of the game on azcentral.com. That mutts fan has waaaayyyyy too much time on his hands
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2009 3:37 AM EDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure
Jon Garland is going to put this “Azreous gets interesting recaps” things to the test. And I doubt that’s in a good way.
i'll take him
Don't say nothing about A.J. Pierzynski without good cause , even if you do have one i will still kick your butt. As the young woman who believes he's better than most idiots around here that don't understand him. i like my menace. GO SOX! Women rule the world Men just live in it to do as we say.
by pierzynskirules on Jun 3, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again: ...sigh...
I went to bed after the top of the eighth (very early AM in Indiana). When FSN showed Pena & Rauch warming up in the ‘pen, I thought to myself: "Gee, I bet I’ll wake up to a Dodgers victory."
Imagine my total lack of surprise this morning. I don’t know what else to think about this team other than wondering who our trade partners will be, because IMHO the fire sale is coming soon.
Vote Quimby!
I've never been so eager
to see a team trade for a couple of solid, unsexy relievers as I am today. Not a high-upside/high-risk fireballer. Not a once-great ex-closer with name recognition and a history of injuries. Not a prospect who’s a couple years away from a promising MLB career. Just a solid 4-point-something ERA guy who’s unspectacular and moderately reliable. Greg Swindell pops into my head or (after Jim’s list of the D-Backs’ best relievers) Dan Plesac (although he kinda falls into that ex-closer category). So does Juan Cruz. Oh how I miss Juan Cruz.
Maybe it’s just my frayed nerves, but it feels like every relief pitcher we bring out is a gamble. It’d be swell to have a little certainty in our bullpen.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
Dan Haren
had more hits than Eric Byrnes and Chris Young combined
The fact Parra thought it was okay to half ass it down to 1st base in the 9th speaks volumes as to the state of this team…….
But, let’s worry about the experience at the ball park instead of the TEAM.. yeah, that’s the ticket.
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
The fact Parra thought it was okay to half ass it down to 1st base in the 9th speaks volumes as to the state of this team.
Half assing it to 1st base would have been an upgrade. After his K that bounced in the dirt, he simply turned and walked to the dugout with head down and bat in hand. There wasn’t even an attempt to go to 1st base. Talk about quitting.
I was working during the game
so i am piecing the disaster this game became from various stories and such. Thanks for the clarification, I think! It sounds worse than I thought.
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It was completely disgusting.
He just walked away. What would your Little League coach say if you tried that? You ALWAYS run it out. Make the catcher throw it to first. What if the first baseman bobbles it? That’s happened. I was underwhelmed with his lack of effort. You just don’t do that.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jun 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
it looked like Hinch didn’t say a word when Parra pass him going down the steps into the dugout.
Something interesting
Over on Twitter Catherine Herman from the DBacks PR department asked bloggers if they “see value in having the chance to blog from the press box for a game? Receiving a press credential?” Emily and I (and I’m sure others) responded emphatically in favor. The Dodgers gave press credentials to one of the guys from True Blue LA, so maybe we’ll see a similar offer to Jim?
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
That would bring a whole new dimension to the blogging experience.
And it would be a lot of fun, I’d bet!
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Count me in!!
I’ve thought about discussing it with Jim for a feature idea I have but I haven’t worked it all out yet….
Hmmm....
is this a one-time thing, or would it be an ongoing thing?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
It would be
an experience, but a pretty big unspoken rule about pressboxes is no cheering, which might not be very fun for bloggers or regular fans. No clue if the Diamondbacks enforce this or not, though.
Funny, Brown doesn't offer a degree in slut!
Yeah
funnily enough, here’s Rob Neyer’s take on this exact situation with True Blue LA.
Personally, I’d love to be up in the pressbox even with those restrictions (maybe sometimes even because of them, but that might be because the ultimate job to me would be a baseball writer.
Funny, Brown doesn't offer a degree in slut!
Honestly
I think I’d be okay with that.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Same here....
I can definitely keep my cheers inside for the trade of being in the know of all the information.
Yeah.
Although I can totally see myself involuntarily yelping or something when Reynolds smashes a Fatburger. ;-)
Go Dbacks. (Temporary signature)
I have no idea...
I was thinking the same thing when I saw Pena come in last night. After his aweful preformance the previous night, I was surprised to see him even come in, and even more surprised to see him allowed to pitch his way out of his own mess. I would have taken him out when 2 reached, maybe after he loaded the bases. I really would love to hear AJ’s explination as to why he thought Pena would get out of it. Everyone I was watching the game with seemed to know it was a bad idea to even bring in Pena, let alone be allowed to stay in as long as he did. I use to think Melvin would leave pitchers in way to long, but man, last night really has me skratching my head as to what this guy in thinking. I guess that is what you get when you hire a guy for his “orginizational advocacy” whatever the hell that means.
By the way,
I LOVE your avatar, bro.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
I'm going to be straight up here.
I probably would have gone to Peña, too. He had been extremely solid for us all year. Would I have pulled him sooner than AJ did? Yes, but I don’t know whether we had anyone up in the bullpen, either.
Now, if he brings in Tony P tonight, THEN I’ll start to question his sanity. Not only because of Tony’s performance the past two nights, but because of the number of pitches he’s thrown.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
I don't know that I would've gone to Peña
Someone said both he and Rauch were up? I guess Rauch was warming to be the replacement closer? Tony is usually money for the 8th BUT he really self-imploded yesterday AND pitched a high number of pitches. I probably would’ve put Schlereth in to start the inning (no pressure) and get a few outs, if he got into trouble pull in Rauch for a 4-out save or Peña for the one out and Rauch to save.
I am SURE Peña’s not available tonight, simply because of the sheer number of pitches.
OT:
Updated sig. ;-)
So, I had to change my signature because it had gotten old, but I didn't know what to replace it with. Until snakecharmer revealed a deep, dark secret to me: she dislikes long signatures that are essentially about nothing. So, naturally, the only thing to do was to make my new signature be really long and stupid. HAHA! Take THAT, Jenny!! Whatcha gonna do now??
Interestingly
It seems I can’t, telling my the passwords don’t match.
And I was so looking forward to making ’Skins SIG, oh, I dunno…
I’m with stupid ↑↑↑↑
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
I think
it goes along w/ not being able to edit comments. Some things are an individual poster’s own, it would seem.
Besides, why would it let you edit your equal?
So, I had to change my signature because it had gotten old, but I didn't know what to replace it with. Until snakecharmer revealed a deep, dark secret to me: she dislikes long signatures that are essentially about nothing. So, naturally, the only thing to do was to make my new signature be really long and stupid. HAHA! Take THAT, Jenny!! Whatcha gonna do now??
Equal? EQUAL?
That can be taken care of very easily, and don’t you ever forget it. :-)
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
I almost included
“in SBN privilege rank”.
So, I had to change my signature because it had gotten old, but I didn't know what to replace it with. Until snakecharmer revealed a deep, dark secret to me: she dislikes long signatures that are essentially about nothing. So, naturally, the only thing to do was to make my new signature be really long and stupid. HAHA! Take THAT, Jenny!! Whatcha gonna do now??
I dont objectively blame Hinch
in the sense I felt comfortable with the lead all the way up to the instant when Loney drove Schlereth to the wall and cleared the bases – by dropping a perfectly placed, deep fly off CY’s mitt. Given the circumstances (park, pitcher v hitter matchup, outfielders playing deep, etc), I thought that was highly improbable. Like Melvin, AJ manages his available resources.
On the other hand, Bob didnt habitually kick away late four run leads. There’s a scoring volatility under AJ, on both sides of the ball, that’s inconsistent with net progress – the offense has undoubtedly perked up, but we’re yielding almost six runs a game since BM and Price departed.
Do I blame AJ for that? Not necessarily. Even he admits there’s some learning curve ahead of him. This volatility is a more or less expected function of the midseason assimilation of several inexperienced AA and AAA players along with an inexperienced skipper. None of that, as far as I can tell, is particularly AJ Hinch’s fault.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
I've read
Both publicly and privately some spirited defenses of Hinch, but what it really comes down to, for my money, is this. With the game on a line, we turned to a left-handed “specialist” who had faced exactly thirty-four left-handed batters in his entire professional career, almost all of them at the Double-A level or lower. If that genuinely was the best option available to the Diamondbacks in the bullpen at that point, I think we are in worse shape than any of us feared.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
None of the pitchers
in our bullpen jump out and say “Pick me! Pick me! I’d be better!” They’re all either erratic (like Pena and Rauch) or untested (like Schlereth and Zevada). If I had to pick a reliever for a high leverage situation, I’d hesitate to choose any of them. Most have high potential, but it’s balanced by serious flaws. It’s like our entire bullpen is staffed with 500 to 1 longshots.
In other words, if we judge by the bullpen, I think we are in worse shape than any of us feared.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
IAWTC
Well said.
So, I had to change my signature because it had gotten old, but I didn't know what to replace it with. Until snakecharmer revealed a deep, dark secret to me: she dislikes long signatures that are essentially about nothing. So, naturally, the only thing to do was to make my new signature be really long and stupid. HAHA! Take THAT, Jenny!! Whatcha gonna do now??
If that genuinely was the best option available to the Diamondbacks in the bullpen at that point, I think we are in worse shape than any of us feared.
The two most experienced guys (Qualls and Schoeneweis) are unavailable. That said, I dont feel Schlereth’s inexperience automatically renders him impotent there. I wouldnt pitch him (or Vazquez) where a walk in raucous Dodger Stadium meant blowing a lead (because he’s wild), but I’ve no issue with him attacking Loney (2 HRs in 2009) with two outs and the tying run on first. If Young catches that ball (as he’s done before), we’re talking about how Schlereth saved Pena’s bacon, with our eyes on a sweep. Not saying it was an easy catch (it wasnt), just that it’s a game of inches, and that decent pitching matchups yield hits from time to time.
It’s a painful loss, and maybe AJ facilitated the comeback with an over-reliance on Pena, but one fly ball double by Loney doesnt convince me Schlereth was an awful selection by Hinch. To your point, I think the bigger issue is that Josh hasnt fielded a reliable lefty out of the pen since Slaten in 2007.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
It's no excuse but
Remember the bullpen was supposed to include Tom Gordon and Scott Schoenweis. Don’t you think the 8th inning blues might be a lot less serious if we had one or both of them?
Within his specialty
Schoenweis is excellent. I actually wish we had more relief pitchers like him: unspectacular and reliable. It’s like what Diamondhacks was saying about having a few solid hitters in our lineup. With a base of middle-of-the-road relievers, we can afford a couple risky relievers. But in our bullpen, every pitcher is risky. I’m starting to think we’d have better luck drawing our relievers’ names out of a hat.
At this point in his career, I think Gordon is more of a gamble. He was a good reliever a few years ago, but now he’s a serious injury risk with no recent history. We don’t know what’s going to happen when he takes the mound.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

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