Does the Arizona bullpen really suck?
After Friday night's fiasco, in which Schoeneweis and Pena contrived to turn a three-run lead into a deficit while retiring two batters in the eighth, it might not seem like there's any doubt on the matter. Why, yes, they do suck. But it's worth looking into the numbers a little deeper than the purely anecdotal evidence. Every relief corps in the league is going to blow some late leads now and again - as noted at the time, our implosion wasn't even the most extreme of the day, as the Indians bullpen blew a five-run lead after seven frames. They stick in the mind, that's for sure, and this perhaps gives them a perceived commonness beyond the reality.
After the jump, let's delve into the stats and see what we can find... [Note: all figures exclude Saturday and Sunday's games. Since we're supposed to have our Internet moved at some point today, I scheduled this post well in advance, so you'd have something to read on the off-day, even if we were 'off the grid']
The Diamondbacks' bullpen ERA is now 5.07. That's more than a full run worse than the National League average, and ranks 15th in the NL, ahead only of woeful Washington, at 5.43. So the two teams with the worst records have the worst bullpen ERAs, while the best number belongs to Los Angeles, who also have the best record in the majors. Case closed. The bullpen do suck, and are a large part of the season we're last in the division.
Hang on... There's something odd here; despite that ERA, they actually have a winning record, at 10-9. Only nine of the team's 39 losses are credited to them, a number bettered by just four teams in the National League. Now, while wins may be a poor way to judge a pitcher, it seems that losses for a bullpen are of some importance - those indicate games where they took over with a lead or when the score was tied, and yet the opposition ended up victorious. Despite what it feels, that hasn't happened to the Diamondbacks particularly much this year. We have sixteen blown leads, compared to fourteen comeback wins - the major-league average for both is fifteen.
The 2009 bullpen has just not been part of the outcome in very many games: just 19 times. Thus far, relievers have thrown 35% of the innings in the NL, and been involved in 32% of the decisions. Being a little less makes sense, since inertia has to be overcome: in most cases when the starter leaves, unless 'something' happens, they will get the W or L. But in Arizona's case, the bullpen has been involved in 28% of decisions - and usually in a positive way. I also note that last year at this point, they had more losses and a worse overall record, at 7-11.
In contrast, we can look at the rotation, who have gone 19-30, a sharp reverse from the 30-20 record at the same stage in 2008. Now, while some of those have been due to poor run support, the majority of defeats (17) have come when the starter had an ERA on the day above seven, which doesn't seem an acceptable level of performance. Doug Davis has had five such losses, Jon Garland four, and the triple-headed Beast of Webb Replacement "Yusmilly Augucknit", six of those defeats. The impact of our ace's injury bites us once again.
It doesn't seem that our bullpen blows more late-inning leads than most teams either. Here's a chart, which shows the win percentage when leading after each inning, from the first through the eighth. The black line is the MLB overall figure, the Sedona Red one shows the win percentage for the Diamondbacks:
This is interesting data, and shows that from the sixth inning on, the Diamondbacks are losing leads at almost exactly the same rate as an average team in the major-leagues. Specifially, after six, the team that's ahead wins 85.2% of the time; the Diamondbacks 83.3%. When leading after seven, the same numbers are 89.7% and 87.5%; and after the eighth inning, Arizona are actually better. We are 24-1 there, a 96% rate, compared to the MLB average of 95.2%.The only ninth-inning lead we've blown, that actually cost us the game, was the one where San Diego came back from 7-1 down, to tie it in the ninth and win it in ten.
Where the Diamondbacks are much worse at defending leads than average, is when they have an early advantage. It's interesting - and somewhat surprising - to note that overall, a team that has the lead after the first inning already has a 70% chance of being the eventual victor. This is definitely not the case for Arizona, however, who are only 4-8 when they jump ahead in the opening frame. Similarly, even when leading at the end of the fourth, we're barely above .500 at 14-12, compared to the average of 77%. Here are the details of all nine losses credited to the bullpen this season
- April 21 vs. COL. Loser: Juan Gutierrez. AZ led after five.
The D-backs had a 6-3 lead into the sixth, but Bobby Korecky, Doug Slaten and Juan Gutierrez combined to allow four runs. - April 30 vs. MIL. Loser: Tom Gordon. AZ led after six.
Max Scherzer threw six shutout innings. Gordon faced five batters, retired one, threw two wild pitches and injured himself. Scott Schoeneweis drove in the go-ahead run with a bases-loaded walk. - May 3 vs. MIL. Loser: Juan Gutierrez. AZ never led.
We came back to tie the game at three by scoring three in the seventh. However, Tony Peña allowed an inherited runner to score in the eighth. - May 7 vs. SDP. Loser: Esmerling Vasquez. AZ never led.
Dan Haren left after six with the game tied at three [we did lead under him, 2-0 and 3-2, but we're talking about the pen here]. David Eckstein had a walk-off single in the tenth. - May 15 vs. ATL. Loser: Tony Peña. AZ never led.
While Arizona tied this up with a Drew homer off the Braves' closer in the top of the ninth, Peña gave up the game-winning sacrifice-fly in the bottom of the inning. - May 25 vs. SDP. Loser: Tony Peña. AZ led after eight.
This was the infamous one mentioned above, where we blew a 7-1 lead, with the Padres scoring five in the eighth, one in the ninth, and a two-run homer in the tenth. - June 2 vs. LAD. Loser: Daniel Schlereth. AZ led after seven.
Another painful loss. 5-1 up going into the eighth, the Dodgers put up a five-spot on Arizona in the bottom half, off Peña and Schlereth, and left us with no real chance to recover. - June 6 vs. SDP. Loser: Daniel Schlereth. AZ led after five.
Scherzer again: five shutout innings and left 2-0 up. Leo Rosales, Schlereth and Clay Zavada combined to allow six runs in the sixth. - June 19 vs. SEA. Loser: Tony Peña. AZ led after seven.
I trust we needn't go into much detail, but for the historical record, Scott Schoeneweis and Peña gave up four in the eighth, to blow a 3-0 lead after seven zeroes from Jon Garland.
It appears, all told, that the bullpen has "cost" the team only six victories, with the other three being level [and so up for grabs] when they entered. Admittedly, this discounts games like the 18-inning contest, where the bullpen was both awful, conceding five runs in the ninth, and brilliant, then no-hitting the Padres for the nine innings which followed that], because the team won in the end. What's interesting - and perhaps magnifies the sense of relief corps suckage - is the scale of the losses. Most of these blown leads weren't close: we've wasted margins of six, five, four and (twice) three runs. It almost seems we are better at defending small leads.
Not that there isn't room for improvement. The main issue for the team, and particularly the bullpen, is allowing too many 'big innings', where we let the opponent put up four, five or even six runs. We lead the league in those, 23 this season. It's the sixth that has proved most troublesome, with five such games - all told, we've conceded 57 runs there, which works out at above 7.5 per nine innings, and is more than in the first and second combined. Even if we don't actually blow the entire lead there, such an implosion will make even a comfortable margin a great deal less secure for the remaining three frames.
A particular area of concern is inherited runners. 42% of them score on the Diamondbacks, most in the league. This would tie in with the big inning: one pitcher can't get it done, so the next has to clean up the mess and fails to do so. Curiously, this aspect of the game has become much worse under AJ Hinch. In the first 29 games, with Melvin in charge, the rate was only 31%, right around league average [32% at the present time]. However, in the 39 Hinch-led games, the number has shot up to an astonishing 51%, and in the 17 games so far this month, it's 60% (twelve of twenty).
Random luck? Poor choice of bullpen pitchers? I leave the interpretation to you, though it'd take more analysis, since situations vary. You can inherit a runner on third with no outs, or one on first with two outs - letting the former come home is a much smaller sin than the latter. Still, particularly bad in this aspect is Zavada, who has somehow managed to maintain a 0.00 ERA, while letting eight of nine inherited runners score. Gutierrez and Jon Rauch are also above 40%; Pena and Schoeneweis are the sole members of the current 'pen below league-average, with the latter only having one outing where he let them score. However, more than three-quarters of his 22 appearances have involved two outs or less, reducing the chance for this to happen.
All told, I'd say the evidence is that the bullpen are indeed significantly worse than average, but do not seem to have had very much impact on the overall won-lost record of the Arizona Diamondbacks. This again may be a result of luck or management - it doesn't matter too much if the bullpen gives up late runs in a blowout game e.g. the two wins over the Royals. There is some data to support this, with opponents hitting .277 off our pitchers when the margin is more than four runs, compared to .264 overall. However, I doubt this conclusion will come as much comfort to Diamondbacks' fans, who will continue to reach for the Rolaids every time a lead is turned over from a starting pitcher.
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Lack of consistent hitting.
After all, when the game is being lost already, the bullpen letting the game be driven out of reach so a comeback becomes even more unlikely, will not show up in the stats.
by nargel on Jun 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
When you only have 3 (sometimes 4) consistant bats in the lineup your pitching has got to be A+ throughout all nine innings for any hope of a W.
Think about it, on average the Dbacks may have just one big inning in the game, which will net us something in the order of 2 or 3 runs. Everything after said inning seems to be a leason in futility as baserunners are stranded over and over again.
Sure our bullpen has been less than stellar, but it’s our offense that has squandered countless opportunities.
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by Turambar on Jun 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought provoking research, Jim
The inherited runners issue suggests our starters have pitched better than their credited 4.16 ERA – and the 19-30 ledger. What would be their ERA with a normal inheritance %? Pretty sure it’s under 4 – which, after park effects, surprisingly puts them up with the league’s best rotations.
Consider that without Webb, with his 7+ ERA replacements and Garland’s inconsistency, we’re still right there rotation-wise. Says something about league quality, I think, and our team’s true areas of need.
The pen is at 5.07 plus has the lousy inheritance rate (which doesnt effect their ERA). That’s a big liability.
I also think the big lead collapses hurt morale (and ultimately performance) more than small collapses. When a reliever gives up a run (or two) in a loss, it’s easier to credit that to chance, or a correctible failure, and look towards tomorrow. But squandering several big leads kinda defies normalcy and can shake players’ confidence – in their teammates and manager. Fair or not, it fosters a feeling the people “in charge” or “responsible” dont know how to win or havent made it enough of a priority.
Some defensive metrics have also deteriorated under AJ’s watch (whether he’s responsible for them yet or not). Only the Nats have now made more errors than us (60) – in all of baseball. Every wild pitch, by definition, advances a runner, and we’ve thrown the third most in the league. Snyder and Montero nab just 22% of basestealers, towards the NL’s lower half. Melvin’s teams didnt necessarily excel in these areas (altho Snides had a great SB against % one year), but all these measures have dropped since his departure. New personnel? New manager? Hard to pinpoint, but it’s not good baseball.
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by Diamondhacks on Jun 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My off the hand reaction to the bullpen record
is not wow look how average we actually are, rather its man, they take that many close games we’re trailing and blow them wide open. Our bullpen is fantastic at making a mole hill into a mountain. That is where they falter. Our boys are incredibly unclutch and inconsistent at the plate the way it is. Combine that with our atrocious bullpen and you have a very very poisonous cocktail.
Overall the biggest problem with this team is inconsistency in every facet of the game. Offensively, Pitching and Defensively. We are a top ten team when our guys are on, and when they’re not, we’re in the running for Bryce Harper.
Go DBacks!
by AJforAZ on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was also what I was wondering about
Games like Saturday- Buckner leaves with the game tied, 2-2, with runners on, and the bullpen blows it to lose 7-3. Or against Houston- Garland leaves down 3-1, the bullpen gives up three more runs, so when we score three in the bottom of the inning, we’re still losing and he takes the L.
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by kishi on Jun 22, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WPA
The easiest way to compare offense and pitching is with WPA. The D’backs batters rank 28th with -4.40. Their starting pitchers are 13th with +0.93. And their bullpen is 27th with -2.53. So as bad as our relief corps has been, it hasn’t hurt us nearly as much as the lack of timely hitting.
The gap is really a lot bigger than it appears. Our two best hitters (Upton & Reynolds) have contributed +4.31 WPA between them. So the rest of the team has been truly awful, -8.71. In contrast, our 2 best relievers together have only +1.28 WPA. So the rest of the pen is at -3.81.
by fjm235 on Jun 22, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good stats
two more old school stats also bear the point out: Reynolds have nearly the combined total in HRs (32 as the rest of the team 37), and nearly 1/3 of the team’s RBI (91 of 288).
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by njjohn on Jun 22, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
We should get rid of him.
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by kishi on Jun 23, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
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by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Diamondbacks’ bullpen ERA is now 5.07. That’s more than a full run worse than the National League average, and ranks 15th in the NL, ahead only of woeful Washington, at 5.43.
Hang on… There’s something odd here; despite that ERA, they actually have a winning record, at 10-9.
A bullpen’s primary function (when coming into a tie game or a game that their team is winning) is to not blow the tie or the lead. Wins credited to the bullpen are not always a positive sign, as often it’s an indication that a tie or lead situation was blown by one of the relieving pitchers. Let’s take a closer look at those 10 bullpen wins this season:
April 6
Webb start. Tied game when the bullpen (Slaten) entered the game. Slaten surrendered the lead. AZ offense came back and Pena was credited with the win. Bullpen failed to hold tie.
April 14
Blown save by Qualls in 9th inning. Pena credited with win in the 10th. Bullpen failed to hold lead.
April 26
Garland left the game down 4-1. Bullpen allowed no runs and AZ offense came back to tie in the 9th and win in the 12th. Gutierrez credited with the win. BULLPEN SUCCESS!
May 1
Garland left the game down 2-1. Bullpen allowed no runs and AZ offense came back to take the lead in the 8th. Pena credited with the win. BULLPEN SUCCESS!
May 10
Scherzer left the game winning. Vasquez came in and surrendered the lead. AZ came back the next inning to score four runs, not only saving Vasquez from the loss but in a strange twist of irony, crediting Vasquez with the win. Failed appearance by Vasquez. Bullpen failed to hold the Scherzer lead.
May 20
Qualls blew the Arizona lead in the 12th, but was credited with the win instead of the loss when the AZ offense came back to score 3 in the 13th. Bullpen failed to hold the lead.
May 21
Scherzer left the game down 3-1. The bullpen allowed no further runs and AZ came back to win, crediting Zavada with the win. BULLPEN SUCCESS!
May 23
Haren left the game down 5-1. AZ came back and Pena was credited with the win in spite of Qualls surrendering 2 runs in the 11th. BULLPEN SUCCESS!
May 30
Davis start. 2-2 tie when the bullpen entered the game. Bullpen held the tie and AZ came back to score a run in the 11th, crediting Pena with the win. BULLPEN SUCCESS!
June 7
Haren left with a 6-1 lead, and the bullpen completely melted down surrendering 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th. Eventually Mark Reynolds hit a HR in the 18th inning off of utility infielder turned pitcher for a day Josh Wilson, crediting Rosales with the win, but this was one of the ugliest 9th inning bullpen performances ever. Epic 9th inning bullpen failure.
In only half of those 10 bullpen wins did the Diamondbacks bullpen not surrender an existing tie or lead. Again, seeing bullpen "wins" is not always a positive thing. In this year’s case, it’s only 50% positive.
by TAP on Jun 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A bullpen’s primary function (when coming into a tie game or a game that their team is winning) is to not blow the tie or the lead.
I agree wins (bullpen or otherwise) dont always reflect good pitching, but I look at the pen’s primary function a little differently. I would say their primary, collective function is to contribute to wins – rather than maintaining midgame leads and ties. As bad as our offense can be, we have run scoring capability too, and the RPs dont pitch in a scoreless vacuum (except closing in the ninth). Our pen fails and succeeds within that dynamic context.
Maddening as it is, sometimes winning involves (ie “requires”) blowing midgame leads.
I’d also distinguish between individual meltowns and failures of the collective. The 18 inning win involved two epic individual fails, but the pen went ten innings that day, yielding five runs. Nothing to write home about and I certainly wont characterize that gory game as a “bullpen success” – but hardly an epic fail in the collective sense either. We won the game.
Similarly, you call May 20 a fail, when Qualls blew a lead and the pen yielded three runs. Well, they pitched eight innings that day. That’s contributing to a win in my book – even if our blood pressure is elevated by the particulars :-)
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by Diamondhacks on Jun 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similarly, you call May 20 a fail, when Qualls blew a lead and the pen yielded three runs. Well, they pitched eight innings that day. That’s contributing to a win in my book – even if our blood pressure is elevated by the particulars :-)
Starters going at least 6 – 7 innings consistently would go a long way toward preventing bullpen burnout. Short starts has not been an issue for Haren, who has been the bullpen’s supreme victim in 2009. Haren has also learned that a lead after 7 IP is not secure, and seems to be shooting for complete games recently. Who can blame him?
by TAP on Jun 22, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short starts
Starters going at least 6 – 7 innings consistently would go a long way toward preventing bullpen burnout.
This is my feeling, too. I don’t count blown leads or failed holds as an indication of bullpen success. That’s the team winning in spite of bullpen failure, not the bullpen contributing to the win. However, at least some of the bullpen’s failure is the fault of starting pitching, IMO. I don’t have stats, so this may just be the result of bad experiences sticking out, but I’d say that Scherzer seems to be the cause of much of this. It seems as if he’s done before (or during) the 6th inning in a large number of his starts. Doing that to the bullpen too often is a recipe for failure.
by azshadowwalker on Jun 23, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our starters
have already thrown 421 innings, second most in the league.
League average for an NL pen is 214 IP – we’re at 215 – and the main reason we’re that high is because of those extra inning games, which are mostly the pen’s own fault (or, one could argue, the fault of the offense). Look at June 7th – the pen inflicted nine additional innings on themselves with that 9th inning meltdown.
It’s natural to want our starters to go deeper. For one thing, it presupposes they’re pitching well and efficiently. But even without Webby, even with Max and Buckner, our rotation is in baseball’s upper tier for IP. Our bullpen does not throw an inordinate amount of innings.
Either pen appearances need to be managed better, or we need better relievers. Perhaps both.
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by Diamondhacks on Jun 23, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timely hitting?
fjm235 wrote: “So as bad as our relief corps has been, it hasn’t hurt us nearly as much as the lack of timely hitting.”
I hear this quite often – it is the “lack of timely hitting” that is killing the D-Backs. Since I don’t really believe in “clutch hitting”, I assumed this was not true, that we just can’t hit overall. So it’s time to check the stats. Through June 21, according to The Hardball Times, the D-Backs BA with RISP is .225. The NL average is .253. The D-backs team BA is .244, the NL average is .257. So those numbers suggest that maybe we are worse with RISP than our “normally bad” hitting. The numbers also show we are dead last in the NL in BA with RISP.
So, if you believe in clutch hitting, we stink in the clutch. If you don’t believe in clutch hitting, and think this is mostly just “the luck of the draw”, we might be headed for a great second half with RISP…
by Craig from Az on Jun 22, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True
It’s even worse with runners in scoring position and two outs- we’re batting .180, worst in the National League. The NL Average is .240 in that situation.
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by kishi on Jun 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close Games
All this is good information for when the DBacks were leading when the starter left. How about the games where the DBacks are trailing by a run or two. I constantly see the DBacks in close games where one of the relievers comes in and gives up three runs to make it a blowout. A lot of Jon Rauch for this one, but they are all guilty. Please don’t get me started on Doug Slaten.
by rapdawg on Jun 23, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As I stated in the
first comment. Consistent hitting would help a lot to keep this sequence at bay. A weak bullpen can be compensated for.
That said, good comment.
by nargel on Jun 23, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad...
…there’s no “All of the above” option
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by sergey606 on Jun 23, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
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by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AZ Bullpen is good
Arizona bullpen ranks 5th in MLB in Runs Above Replacement and ranks 2nd in MLB in FIP. So not only does the AZ bullpen not suck, it’s one of the better bullpens in all of baseball. The .345 BABIP against is tied the most unluckiest with the Angels. The LOB% of 64.6% is THE worst (or most unluckiest) in all of baseball.
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by Xeifrank on Jun 23, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They
also have the third worst WHIP. They have the worst LOB% by a full percent, so the guys that get on are more likely score than anyone else. They are towards the better end on BB/9, but one of the worst for opponent batting average.
Maybe there’s some luck involved but I don’t want a bullpen that lets on a ton of guys, especially by hitting, and then allow them to score at higher rates than everyone else. This isn’t a recipe for success, especially when you add an offense that can’t scratch out runs consistently.
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by soco on Jun 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've been somewhat unlucky
in the sense we cant expect their underlying stats (some of which are decent and some not so much) to yield this frequency and magnitude of late inning, game rattling combustion, all season long. I agree with you there.
To be clear, the yardsticks you cite (RAR, FIP, BABIP) are really better at projecting future performance than meaningfully evaluating y-t-d value. They’re homogenized across the entire relief corps, which distances the aggregate values from usage/leverage – and ultimately from wins and losses. For example, our 2007 pen was only league average (RAR), and a dismal 20th in FIP – yet that pen went 30-19, led the league in save % and led us to the NLCS. Were they lucky? Were they good? Meh. All I know is they contributed mightily to the success of that particular club.
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by Diamondhacks on Jun 24, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true there has been a fair share of bad luck.
But it can’t ALL be bad luck. Not when your bullpen has the 4th highest LD% against and has the lowest rate of IFFB allowed of any bullpen in the majors. There has been a lot of hard contact. It’s not accurate to say anything above league avg BABIP against is bad luck or bad defense. A significant portion of that is due to the hard contact, of which the high LD% and low IFFB are symptomatic of. I’d feel comfortable splitting it down the mddle. Our bullpen has not really pitched as badly as their results, but saying we have a good bullpen based on FIP and BABIP is off the mark. The truth is they probably should have gotten results that are more or less middle of the pack.
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by Jim McLennan on Jun 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP
BABIP is a measure of determining future tendencies, so it really does not apply in my opinion to the Diamondbacks bullpen. It is considered bad luck to have a high BABIP, but that is also saying that quality pitches are being put into play for hits. This is not the case with the DBacks bullpen. The pitches getting put into play are generally up in the zone or over the plate. Major League hitters do not miss mistake pitches, it does not happen. This is where statistics can be misleading, and actually WATCHING the game helps. If you look at the pitches hit off the main offenders; Tony Pena, Jon Rauch, and all the Lefty Specialists (minus Zavada thus far), they are all up in the zone. This keeps happening, and there are no adjustments being made. All of these guys have the stuff to get the job done, with the exception of the lefty with a pulse Doug Slaten, so there is really nobody to blame but the pitchers themseleves. Not to mention, all of these pitchers are susceptible to the base on balls. So, a walk and a double on a pitch up in the zone is a run. Where does BABIP come into this equation? Guys getting on base for free? Major Leaguers hitting pitches that don’t get by in Rookie Ball? Nowhere, it comes down to the inability to locate when ahead in the count or make a quality pitch behind in the count. This falls squarely on the shoulders of the bullpen who cannot be bailed out by some statistic which assumes we are dealing with guys who have decent location. Thus, the bullpen really sucks.
by rapdawg on Jun 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice stats
Very impressive statistics and a very interesting take on this subject matter. Personally, the Dbacks need a solid closer and mid relief that can pitch a 6th or 7th inning without either blowing a lead, or make a 1 or 2 run deficit suddenly a 4 or 5. With 2 better bullpen pitchers and 1 power hitter, this team could see drastic improvement with some confidence supplemented.
by jbdbackfan on Jun 24, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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