Diamondbacks 4, Giants 9: Misery Loves Company
Record: 25-34. Pace: 69-93. Change on last season: -7. Change on 2004: +2
Billy Buckner set a new record this evening. Unfortunately, it was for the most hits allowed by a starting pitcher in the National League this year, as the Giants smacked him around for 13 hits in 5.2 innings. That pretty much guarantees a defeat, right there: in the past eight seasons, only about one pitcher a year has allowed so many hits and not seen his team lose. That team was not the Diamondbacks tonight: instead, this was a weak and ineffectual performance, though it also must be said, the Giants were freakin' lucky. I think 'Skins worked out that their BABIP against Buckner was something like .565.
It certainly doesn't feel like this was a game we led going into the fifth inning, but we were. The main drivers in that false sense of optimism were a two-run homer by Stephen Drew, extending his hitting streak to thirteen games, and a solo homer by Mark Reynolds, his fifteenth of the year, one of two hits for Special K tonight. That puts him on pace to hit 41 long-balls for the season, though he is also on pace for 228 strikeouts, which would completely eclipse the all-time record of 204 which he set last season. Also doing their best to stave off the awful sense of doom and futility which permeated the evening was Josh Whitesell, who had two hits and a walk, and Felipe Lopez (a walk and two hits).
Any other good stuff? Clay Zavada delivered his eleventh consecutive appearance without being scored upon. That's actually an impressive kinda run to start off a career: only a dozen NL players have gone longer. However, it's not even the franchise record as yet, since Doug Slaten was unscored upon in his first eighteen games for the Diamondbacks, in 2006-07. Given the hardly auspicious way Slaten's career has gone since that season, let's hope Zavada does a little better. We also got two innings from noobie Blaine Boyer, though his own fielding error led to an unearned run.
That was one of three errors on the night by Arizona: Justin Upton and Lopez were the other perpetrators. Though quite how Miguel Montero failed to be responsible for one does somewhat escape me. He should have nailed Randy Winn at the plate, after a perfect throw from Upton in the third arrived while Winn was barely half-way down the line from third, but Montero couldn't hang on to the ball. He also helped the Giants score in the sixth, when they tried to squeeze bunt - the ball missed the bat but also the catcher's glove, and the runner on third came home to score anyway.
That was part of a three-run fifth, which buried the team and sucked the life out of the Diamondbacks and turned their fans at Chase against them - it wasn't "Drewwwwwwwwwww" they were saying, that's for certain. However, the biggest blow - in more senses than one - came as part of a three-run fourth, when Sandoval crushed a high fastball from Buckner out to somewhere near the I-10. Er, haven't we seen him do that on a pitch around his neck before? I'd have been making a mental note not to throw him any more like that.
The eight earned runs which he allowed exacerbated the quite astonishing home/road splits for Buckner this year:
Home: 14.2 IP, 27 H, 5 BB, 5 HR, 20 ER, 12.27 ERA
Road: 13.1 IP, 9 H, 4 BB, 1 HR, 1 ER, 0.68 ERA
He isn't the only one: you probably recall Jon Garland's thought on this matter. But overall, the Diamondbacks staff has a stark split between when they pitch at Chase - an ERA of 5.55 - and pitching elsewhere, with an ERA more than two runs lower, at 3.29. On the road, they have the best ERA of any team in the National League [and only the Reds are also below four], but at home, it's the exact opposite, with Arizona owning the highest figure in the NL. Yes, higher even than Colorado. Quite why this is the case... Well, if you can answer that, AJ Hinch would love to hear from you.

[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Josh Whitesell, +10.6%
God-emperor of suck: Billy Buckner, -62.6%
Given it was such a sucky game, it was quite an enjoyable Gameday Thread, with a brisk trade in comments, even if the graph above, as well as depicting the game, also accurately portrays interest in the contest. With only a token comment or four from dima1109, DbacksSkins had a clear road to three figures, with soco in the runners-up spot. Also present: kishi, TwinnerA, snakecharmer, AZBOMBERS (welcome...despite 'Skins best efforts otherwise!), unnamedDBacksfan, hotclaws, pierzynskirules, pygalgia, 4 Corners Fan, Moozazan, westofrome, Scrbl, Muu, singaporedbacksfan, jonny-yuma, soco, mrssoco and Sprankton. The last named is on the recap tomorrow night, so hopefully the team will give him something nicer to write about than seventeen hits allowed and questionable defense.
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I picked a good game to miss it seems
With only a token comment or four from dima1109
Cytotoxic T cells bound to endogenous antigen-presenting class I MHC proteins dominated my evening, as will be the case tomorrow as well. However, let me quote the Governator by saying “I’LL BE BOK” :-D
In play, out(s)
::head asplodes::
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 10, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Got to be close to it for a starting pitcher
It takes a special combination of offensive success and pitching suckitude to get it up above 50%. But there has been worse out of the bullpen…
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
WHY ARE THE FANS DOWN ON ERIC BYRNES?
Eric only got to PH last night and hit the ball well. Chris Young is out there every day not Byrnes. Young looks at strikes and swings at balls. His head is all messed up, he is not smart enough to play this game. To all you Byrnes haters, get off his case and figure out who has us in last place. I would take Eric over this .170 slacker who leads the Majors in fly ball outs and the lowest BA.
Chris Young is disappointing this year
but he’s gonna have to suck long and hard to catch up with my dislike for Byrnes. Eric’s the perfect package: subpar performance, clownish antics, miserable contract and his own vanity project on TV. Chris is merely a struggling young baseball player, how can he compete with all that?
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
Exactly right
To many fans, Eric’s steep and lengthy performance decline is magnified ( I would argue in roughly equal parts) by the things that draw attention to him in the first place: a theatrical on-field flair, big bad contract, and a self-absorbed TV persona that screams “I’m the bomb”.
I think some of it’s an act, but that doesnt matter. If you call that much attention to yourself, people will note, even delight in, the fact that you suck.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jun 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrnes
got to PH last night and grounded out on the first pitch. That is NOT “hitting the ball well”. Byrnes is also the reason we weren’t able to keep Carlos Quentin, and his idiotic $10 million salary is, for a mid-market team, like forcing us to fight with one arm tied behind our back. It wasn’t Chris Young who lost the last Padres game for us, it was Eric Byrnes, with his embarrassingly bad defensively play in LF, that led to the Padres taking the lead.
CY has a 2009 OPS+ of 39, but he’s making under $2 million. Byrnes’ OPS+ is a marginally-better 57, but he’s making $11.7 million this year. On top of that, CY plays CF, which is traditionally NOT an offensive position, but Byrnes plays the corner OF. We NEED Byrnes to produce offensively. We DON’T need CY to produce. (Although it would be nice) I’ll also give CY a longer leash due to his 91 OPS+ last year, compared to Byrnes’ 62. (Yes, Byrnes’ 2008 was actually better than his 2009 so far) Byrnes ALREADY owes us.
On top of that, there’s fielding. CY’s zone rating in CF this year is an impressive 10.081. When Byrnes plays CF, his is only 7.714. When he plays LF and RF, it’s 9.942 and 9.500 respectively. Byrnes also has played over 100 fewer innings, and has an error this year, while CY has a fielding% of 1.00.
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 10, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Good answer
That’s basically the issue: yes, Chris Young is performing worse than Byrnes this season. However, there is only one guy on the team making almost $12m this year. Now, that isn’t Byrnes’ fault [and nor is the fact that the player dumped to make room for him has posted near-MVP numbers for the White Sox], but it does increase expectations of what would be reasonable performance. For Byrnes to be so far below league-average, while earning in the eight figures, is what irks a lot of fans.
The problem is, I actually like Eric a lot. He resembles a kid brother, often irritating, but he’s still family and can only be loved as such. But that doesn’t alter the fact that signing him to a three-year extension has proved a very poor move,
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Eric too, and I wish he were doing better, for his OWN sake. Not just ours.
But that’s not what the OP was talking about.
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I would point out....
Chris Young will not jump for a ball, or dive to try and catch a ball that drops in. I like to see players dirty, with the knees of their pants ripped out trying.
I like
to see players catch the ball. I’ll take a clean player and an out any day of the week.
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I did watch the game..
I saw Byrnes hit the ball hard. I also saw CY dazed and confused at the plate. Give the young boy a chance to get his head right, send him to the farm to get turned around. The Majors is not the place for player development.
I don’t say trade him or send him away. Look at Parra, what a player. I am sure there are lots more where he came from.
I saw
Byrnes swing at the first pitch he saw and ground out on a weak ball straight to the 1B. I also saw CY get a bloop single to right center. I’ll take CY’s night over Byrnes’.
And no, there really AREN’T lots more where Parra came from. Gerardo Parra was our top hitting prospect coming into this season. Now that he’s with the big club, the cupboard is pretty much bare.
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 10, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
There’s no one person who has us in last place, it’s a team effort…
"And that's not just a metaphor. We're actually building an umbrella."
One thing
I absolutely LOVE about Chris Young is his solid defense. He won’t make Jim Edmonds plays in CF, but he is one of those centerfielders that drives the opponents nuts. If you are an opposing hitter, there are very few places you can hit a fly ball for Young to not be able to track it down. I remember I was extremely annoyed with Mike Cameron when he used to play for the Padres – a ball would look very good off the bat, definite gapper, and then next thing you see is Cameron cruising to catch it a foot away from the wall. Even though Young is not hitting, he is usually in the 7 spot in the order, so he can’t hurt us too much with his bat. Defense-wise, he is by far and above our best outfielder (and he is up there with Drew and Snyder for the best defensive player overall)
In play, out(s)
Agree on CY's defense.
The guy’s got speed like Willy Taveras.
Disagree on Drew’s defense, though.
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I DON'T BELIEVE HOW STUPID D-Back FANS ARE
Well it must be the team is new and fans are not that knowledgeable. The Dodgers went out and spent the money, and like it was pointed out earlier in this post, you pay cheap, you get cheap.
You hate Eric Byrnes because he gets millions and I remind you was hurt last year, and has not been given a chance to play and get better. You cut Chris Young slack because he is paid only $400k a year, Well with that kind of thinking Phoenix deserves an AAA team, enjoy it. Chris Young is no Finley.
Hmm
Can’t say I really agree with much in this comment. You’d rather have Finley than Young?
"And that's not just a metaphor. We're actually building an umbrella."
Also
Part of why Eric Byrnes was hurt as badly as he was last year was because he decided to “play and get better” rather than resting and healing. Was it partially the team’s fault for letting him do that? Yes. Was it partially his fault too? Yes.
"And that's not just a metaphor. We're actually building an umbrella."
I can believe it
Look at the clowns who demanded we sign and crown EB22 the Farce of the Franchise. He is what he is and all the bitching and whining in the world won’t change that.
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jun 10, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Byrnes is no Finley either
It’s very easy for you to demand the team spend more money, but it’s not your money. This city simply cannot support a Dodgers-sized payroll: Colangelo tried that approach, and the result was a quarter-billion dollars in debt, which we’re still paying off, approaching a decade later.
We are a mid-market team at best, and have to pick and choose the places where we can spend our money. It’s just not possible for us to spend $12m per year at each position. When we do spend money, we have to get the appropriate level of return. However, we could have got better production for less cash, by keeping Carlos Quentin – or even Scott Hairston – and not signing Byrnes.
Finley, incidentally, never got paid more than $7m for a season, and his six years with the franchise cost almost exactly the same as Byrnes three-year extensions.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
::cough::
Andruw Jones, Jason Schmidt, and Juan Pierre circa 07 and 08. That’s all I have to say about the Dodgers.
One thing I’ve been wondering. Are you Eric Byrnes, or at all related? That’s the only reasoning I can come up with for why you’re fiercely defending an overpaid fourth outfielder (or fifth, if Conor Jackson ever recovers from valley fever/pneumonia).
Go troll somewhere else, please.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 10, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't be Eric Byrnes.
He hasn’t talked shit about Conor Jackson yet.
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$400k a year?
You…. you really don’t know much about this team, do you?
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In the postgame
AJ described Sandoval’s 5th inning blast as a crushing blow (to Buckner), which begs the question why Hinch left him to die on the vine in the sixth. It was a 5-4 game at that point, and Billy had given up 10 hits thru five. Perhaps AJ ascertained it was a “crushing blow” sometime after the fifth ;-)
I dunno. It was just hard to watch a kid like Buckner get thrashed into the sixth and feel like winning was much of a priority tonight. Contrast Cain’s previous start against us, where we couldnt hit him to save our life, but still managed, by hook or by crook, to eke out an extra inning win.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
Tend to agree
That move didn’t make much sense. It was clear the Giants had Buckner’s number, and we had a rested bullpen [the only guy who pitched the previous day had been replaced]. Though it was the bottom of the Giants order, and Uribe, Frandsen, Whiteside and Cain were only 2-for-8 to that point.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
bottom of the order is a critical piece, and I dont mean to come across like barfing up three there was some foregone conclusion. It’s a calculated risk and Buckner might’ve stolen an inning. I guess I’m more mystified by the apparent lack of urgency during the sixth, through the hits and wild pitches, when the game was, arguably, still very much up for grabs.
To the extent the pen was rested, it’s worrisome to me we were unable to try (let alone correctly identify) a better option than a sixth inning Billy Buckner.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on Jun 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think...
AJ leaves his pitchers in too long. Well, except that one game with Doug Davis. I use to think Melvin was pretty bad about leaving pitchers in, but man, you really have to suck it up in order for AJ to pull you off the mound.
He will...
However, he should have learned that while managing a minor league team. The majors is not the place for on the job training, I’m sorry.
Justin Upton,
Major league callup at age 19, disagrees.
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Unless
the team has no expectations of competing, then learning against the real pros makes sense. The problem is we, the fans, take the hit.
It's a hit I'm prepared to take
As long as we do see the young players – and managers! – get better. I’d rather see, say, Josh Whitesell strike out than Tony Clark, as it’s the former who is the future of the franchise. Hinch is smart and learns; there’s no doubt about that [you don’t get a psychology degree from Stanford otherwise!]. I’m sure he’ll make mistakes, but I don’t think you’ll often see him make the same error twice.
That said, chossing the ‘right’ spot to pull your pitcher is an art rather than a science. After the recent bullpen meltdowns, I can hardly blame Hinch for being reluctant to go the the relief corps.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The D-backs are like the AZ Cardnials
The first year that Ken Whisenhunt took over is a lot like Hinch taking over this year.
Ken Whisenhunt had a hot new QB in Leinart and as luck would have it was forced to play his old vet Warner. So while the D-Backs try to grow tallent from within, it is important to replace those players who come up short and go with experienced players when needed.
Should Hinch play Eric Byrnes over Young? Should another prospect be given a chance?
Now, that's an interesting question...
In the past 28 days, neither has exactly been setting the world on fire. Byrnes is slightly ahead in OPS (.577 to Young’s .518), but Young’s better defense probably balances that out – as we saw the other night, Byrnes flat-out missing a ball to left-center. Parra and, of course, Upton, have been out-hitting them both significantly. But both EB and CY have been getting plenty of time – 19 and 23 games respectively – so it’s not as if EB can justifiably claim to be being ignored.
He’s had his chances, and if he’d taken advantage, he’d have seen his name inked into the line-up. This competition for playing time is what we all expected coming in – however, he probably thought it’d be against Conor Jackson, not he and Young fighting to avoid being the worst outfielder on the roster. Eric is lucky, in that he can’t be sent down. But that just makes his situation less tenable in some ways.
Part of the problem is, we don’t have any other credible outfielders, so sending Young down and going with Parra, Upton, Byrnes and…??? [someone basically replacement-level like Alex Romero, that’s for sure], isn’t going to help the team win.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is,
Warner was actually BETTER than Leinart, and Warner is the consummate professional.
Byrnes is the very OPPOSITE.
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by DbacksSkins on Jun 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The analogy
pretty much doesn’t work in an capacity beyond that it compares two Arizona teams.
Funny, Brown doesn't offer a degree in slut!

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