Diamondbacks 11, Marlins 9 (13): Extra, Extra, Read All About It
This was a long day for the Diamondbacks. First and foremost was the news of Scott Schoeneweis' wife passing, which was documented in the earlier recap and in full detail here. Then it was a day/night doubleheader, the earlier game of which saw the D-backs rally twice but fall short 8-6. In the nightcap, the team fell behind early only to storm back again and again, showing remarkable resiliency in the face of adversity. Setting aside this morning's unfortunate tragedy, this was a hell of a game to watch.
But let's start at the beginning -- it's a very good place to start. Felipe Lopez led off the game with a double, and we appeared ready to race out of the gates. But he was stranded there, as both teams failed to get anything else going in the first. The Diamondbacks went down in order in the second, and then Bryan Augenstein started pulling his best (worst?) Doug Davis impression. In the bottom half, he imploded after retiring Cantu to lead things off, giving up a fun little single-walk-double-single-walk-sac fly sequence -- with an unhelpful error by Parra and walking the pitcher as part of it -- that turned a tie game into a 4-0 Marlins lead.
On many a night this season, that deficit would prove to be a deflating first step to another loss. But Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds weren't letting this team lose both ends of the doubleheader today, and the top of the third was their first defiant stance in that direction. Augenstein helped his cause by drawing a walk with one out. Lopez (who also had a big game) slapped a base hit to left, but Parra flew out for the second out. In stepped Justin Maximus Upton, who blasted a three-run shot to the upper deck in left, nearly erasing the deficit in one fell swoop. But the team wasn't done yet. Drew doubled, and Reynolds managed to get him in on a questionable error by De Aza (yes, it should have been caught, but he had a hell of a path just to get to it), which tied the game. Montero walked and Byrnes reached on an infield hit, which reluctantly chased Hayden Penn -- although the Marlins' bullpen didn't see quite as much use in the first game as ours did, so it wasn't as much of a concern. Badenhop got Tracy to fly out harmlessly and keep the inning from exploding any further, but the game was tied once again.
The next two innings were relatively uneventful, but Augenstein gave up a two-run jack to Jeremy Hermida in the fourth that stuck the Diamondbacks in another deficit. Still, Bryan managed to limp his way through the fifth inning as well, helping the bullpen avoid what would have been even more ridiculous work than what would ultimately be required (more on that later). The offense appeared listless for a couple of innings, going down in order in the fifth and wasting a one-out Byrnes double in the sixth. And Badenhop helped his own cause in the sixth when he successfully worked the squeeze play with a runner on third, making it 7-4. Again, with just three innings to play and three other comebacks wasted in the earlier parts of the day, it seemed like that might be it.
But Upton and Reynolds, et. al., were like AW HELL NAW. With Parra on first and one out in the seventh, Upton knocked a base hit to right, and they moved up a base on Ross' error. Drew hit a sac fly to score one run (and nearly had it fall to score two if not for a good catch by Ross), and then Mark Reynolds crushed a ball to left-center to tie the game yet again. And the Marlins went down in order in the bottom half, meaning once again everything reset and it became a two-inning game. Or so we thought.
First, there were a few minor attacks to avoid on both sides. Tracy and Roberts reached with one out in the eighth, but Arizona was unable to score. Gutierrez worked around a base hit in the Marlins' half. Upton led off the ninth with a base hit and stole second with one out, but Reynolds and Byrnes could do nothing to drive him in. The Marlins came up with a chance to end the game in the ninth and walk off a double winner today, but somehow Gutierrez escaped and left the bases loaded after a leadoff single and a couple of walks. Just like that, there was bonus baseball -- or double bonus baseball, considering the doubleheader. Luckily, Hinch had snuck in two innings of Rosales and Gutierrez, so the pen wasn't decimated, just very heavily used.
After a harmless 10th and top of the 11th, the Marlins had a huge opportunity to win the game when Tony Pena lumbered out for his second inning of work. He started the inning by plunking Ramirez, who moved to third on a single by Cantu. With nobody out, Hinch played the "use your best reliever in a high-leverage situation" card by bringing in Chad Qualls, who was simply masterful. He got Baker to ground out to Lopez and hold the runner at third, and after walking Uggla intentionally to load the bases, slammed the door on the Marlins' rally by getting a 4-6-3 double play to end the inning. Since I'm not expected to be an objective observer, I can safely say that was TREMENDOUS work.
Seemingly emboldened by the second chance, Reynolds was like OH JAM and hammered his second home run of the night, giving the Diamondbacks the lead. With two outs, Tracy walked and stole second, but for once the lack of getting a runner in from second was excusable. Qualls stayed in to hit so he could pitch the bottom half, and he'll have to continue searching for his first hit of his career (0 for 5 now) after being struck out to end the inning.
So with Qualls on the mound in a save-like situation, but actually in line for a win, our chances plummeted rather quickly. De Aza hit a double to left, which Eric Byrnes somehow managed to deposit into the stands when he tried to transfer it to his throwing hand, putting a runner on third with nobody out. Unlike the previous two times, we weren't able to stay on the tightrope unharmed; Coghlan singled to drive in the run, and just like that the lead was erased. Qualls managed to dance around a sac bunt and an intentional walk to get out of the inning, and once again the game was tied.
Faced with the prospect of the game going even further (it was already past 1 a.m. Florida time), the usual suspects pulled the Diamondbacks through one last time in the 13th. After a leadoff double by Lopez and a walk to Parra, Justin Upton hit an absolute bomb to left that made it an 11-8 game. Given both the situation and how far he hit it, I don't fault Justin for taking a bit of a look at that one. Reynolds did his best to add to the margin, drawing a walk and then stealing second with one out (his fifth stolen base of the day, counting his four from the first game), but he was stranded and that was that.
No fresh arms left in the pen. Your regular closer just finished two innings and went from being in line for a win, to a loss, to a win. Your other high-end arms had already been used in this game, disregarding the toll of the first half of the two-fer. So who do you call to get the save? Jon Rauch, that's who. The same Jon Rauch who stuck Doug Davis with a whole bunch of runs in the first game, and the only pitcher who'd done any sort of meaningful work (Rosales pitched, but just a third of an inning). If Rauch had somehow managed to blow this lead, I'm pretty sure a handful of people would have hopped on the next flight to Florida to deposit him in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, but the big fella got the job done. He struck out two batters in the inning and had a pretty effective curve working. Sure, he gave up a solo shot to Dan Uggla, but with the three-run cushion, that was okay. And the Diamondbacks finally, blessedly, could look up at the scoreboard and see that beautiful "F" at the end, having picked up a much-needed W.
You want the Fangraph? I think you're entitled. You want the Fangraph? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FANGRAPH.

Master of his Domain: Justin Upton, +59.3%
More than Honorable Mention: Mark Reynolds, +58.8%
Honorable Mention: Juan Gutierrez, +25.3%; Felipe Lopez, +20.9%; Chad Qualls, +14.8%
God-Emperor of Suck: Bryan Augenstein, -35.1%
Dishonorable Mention: Gerardo Parra, -30.6%, Stephen Drew, -19.2%; Tony Pena, -15.3%, Chad Tracy, -13.9%; Eric Byrnes, -11%
Phew. Reynolds' contribution will probably be high enough to be deemed the MohD in about 160 other games this season, but not this one. Considering the roller coaster of a graph above, this many people being on both sides of the equation is not particularly shocking. And for the most part, it makes sense. Qualls being so far in the positive is a testament to what a gem he worked in the 11th -- it's enough to even overcome him blowing the lead in the 12th.
Shall we touch on the relevant contributors? It'll take some time. Four-hit games for both Upton and Lopez -- the latter added a walk as well. Montero and Tracy each reached twice on walks. Byrnes had a couple of hits. Roberts had a hit in his one PA. Augenstein had a awful day on the mound, but he managed to draw a walk and score. And Mark Reynolds had the two homers, a walk, and a stolen base, leaving him with this line for the two games combined: 4-9, 2 BB, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 3 R, 5 SB. Have a day, son.
On the flip side, Parra was an ugly 0-for-6, although he did score two runs. Toss in the aforementioned Montero and Tracy, and the three were 0-for-15. And Chris Young managed to make an appearance, striking out for the fifth time in five at-bats today. He's like Bizarro Reynolds in today's twin bill, which is even more bizarre when you consider how much Markkkk usually strikes out. On the mound, Gutierrez worked a couple nail-biting scoreless innings, and Pena had a scoreless frame -- of course, he owes Qualls a HUGE thank you for that.
For the Marlins, Uggla reached base five times (he had a monster day himself), Hermida and De Aza had three hits, Cantu had a pair of knocks, and Ross and and Baker both reached twice. Sanches, Lindstrom and Calero all turned in solid work from the pen.
Maybe the FSAZ Twitter page sums it up best: 788 pitches, 24 pitchers, 34 runs, 47 hits, 37 left on base, more than nine hours of TV. Dayamn.
Not surprisingly, given both the length and excitement of the game, it was a busy second GameDay Thread. Nearly 900 comments, the tone of which fluctuated almost as much as the graph above. But you'd be hard-pressed not to walk away from this one feeling pretty satisfied about the outcome. Skins (247) and kishi (174) set the pace. The list of who chimed in: Wailord, sayheyupton, DbacksSkins, kishi, Wimb, hotclaws, luckycc, snakecharmer, 4 Corners Fan, Jim McLennan, jazzbo13, soco, TwinnerA, pepperdinedevil, venomfan, jonny-yuma, Azreous, dahlian, ASUJon and paqs.
After the rainy, hectic schedule of the past few days, there's still a series finale to play tomorrow, although it's sprinkling over Florida as we speak. Or as I write. Whatever. It'll be Max Scherzer against Andrew Miller in a game where you'd think we would have the advantage, but after odysseys like tonight, absolutely nothing can be taken for granted.
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Nice recap
So what happens today? Max will give us between 5 and 6 innings, hopefully a good 6 where he leaves with the lead. What then?
Bullpen usage the last 2 days:
Gutierrez – 3 IP, 54 pitches (2 IP, 40 pitches yesterday)
Pena – 2 IP, 43 pitches (1 IP, 29 pitches yesterday)
Qualls – 3 IP, 42 pitches (2 IP, 27 pitches yesterday)
Is any of our good relievers available? Maybe Pena, or Gutierrez, if only because he’s not rated highly enough. I really don’t think Qualls is an option.
Rauch 2.2 IP, 40 pitches yesterday
Rosales 2.1 IP, 31 pitches yesterday
Vasquez 1.2 IP, 30 pitches yesterday
How about these guys? I hope I don’t see Rauch tomorrow to be honest.
So that leaves Slaten who’s fresh and Piecoro says they’ll call up Zavada from AA.
Best case scenario? Max goes 7, we get Slaten to face a lefty or maybe go a full inning, and have Pena tie it up.
If Max can’t go 5, we’re in trouble.
I think we largely have to hope
The offense tears up Miller, and gives us a lead where we can safely throw Slaten at them for at least one inning, possibly even two. If they’ve called up Zavada, I’ve little doubt they intend to use him for as long as possible: when did he last pitch?
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
How 'bout
we start tearing up every starting pitcher? Wouldn’t that be fun?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with this guy
Sounds like a solid plan to me.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
But
If I can make a small modification- why just starting pitchers?
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Because
we’re generally doing worse against starters than against relievers. Against relievers, we have an OPS+ of 83, while against starters, we have an OPS+ of 80 the first two times through the lineup. (Third time through and later we have an OPS+ of 105)
Hmmm…. those are actually pretty interesting stats. Our unweighted OPS is .834 the 3rd+ time through the order, while league average is .803. I wonder if our offensive ineptitude really IS a sign of remaining youth and inexperience? We’re below league avg the first two times thru the order, yet above it the 3rd time through? That might be our hitters’ true talent manifesting itself.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Fair enough
But is a difference between 83 and 80 that much?
And regardless of how we’ve been doing, I think we should start destroying every pitcher they put out there.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
True.
But, what if we don’t have that option?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
I refuse to consider that
If we can start hitting starters better, we can hit relievers better, too.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Zavada
pitched an inning on the 19th. Before that, last he pitched was 2 innings on the 14th.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Hmmm.....
I wonder whether they’ve been keeping his innings down with this very situation in mind?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
two awesome games
I love the way they are playing at the moment, true battlers.Got too stiff to go on posting after the 8th,I hope there are no more double headers.
All my thoughts are with Schoeneweis and his family.
"Tramps like us,baby we were born to run"
According to HitTracker.com
Upton’s 3rd inning HR: 420 ft.
Upton’s 13th inning HR: 458 ft.
Reynolds’ HRs went 405 & 400 ft.
Vote Quimby!
Which just goes to show
How much BS is talked about home-runs – Grace was estimating the first one as almost 500 ft. I really don’t trust any verbal i.e. non-objective estimate of HR length.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
it’s like what they said about his longball in Milwaukee. It had a lot of arc, and hangtime, so it looked more impressive, even if it didn’t have the distance.
Hmmm…. checking Hit Tracker now, both Reynolds and Upton are in the top 5 in MLB for the Golden Sledgehammer award. Jim, do you know if they measure the area under the arc of a home run? I can’t find it anywhere…
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Upton's blast in the 13th
was the 13th longest HR in the majors so far this year, and the longest for a Dback. (The previous longest was Fatburger off Matt Cain for 454 ft)
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful.
We’ve got CY locked up for a few more years, and Upton’s going to flee Arizona as soon as he’s a free agent.
(Welcome to the ’Pit, btw)
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Never been impressed with Young. He just doesn't seem to have it.
I’m pretty into baseball scouting/young talent/the draft (Adam Jones, Longoria, Strasburg) and was pretty pissed when Upton didn’t play last year in Atlanta.
To me, Upton doesn’t look comfortable in right.
You must be
a fan of Stephen Drew?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Solid player, was a stud for us.
Buster Posey :)
Fun Fact: BJ Upton was committed to play baseball at Florida State.
Our baseball program is ridiculous, if we didn’t have a choker as a coach we would have a couple of NCs.
has he said he is gonna flee?
Why do we assume the worst? Why do we not build around him? Why are we so content to let Webb go? Why are we playing barely 0.400 ball?
I have 15 more questions after these too… ;-p
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on May 21, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll be able to afford to keep him on the open market,
and I don’t think he’ll sign an extension. His brother refused to do the same for Tampa Bay.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Was afraid that'd be
the answer…
Would you be open to trading him long before that day gets here to get the most bang for the buck then?
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe! "
by unnamedDBacksfan on May 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If the team's having a lousy year,
then absolutely. I think we could do better than just getting a 1st round draft pick. :-P
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Starring Chad Qualls?
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
J-Up
I think Upton’s music, when he walks to the plate at home, should be the Terminator theme.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
You know
originally OJ Simpson was supposed to be The Terminator? But the producers felt that OJ was too nice a guy. The audience wouldn’t have been able to believe that he was a cold-blooded killing machine.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Hmmm... it's on Wiki?
I got it from my DVD liner notes.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Nice to see our offense actually doing something for the past 4 games.
Helping us to go 3-1 in our last 4 games. Maybe we should just play road games from now on as it seems we can only win on the road.
34 runs in our past 4 games.
An average of 8.5/game.
Moar runz plz??
I can’t recall us having a stretch as high-scoring as this last season.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
August 13-16
Aug 13 ARI @ COL L 5 6
Aug 14 ARI @ COL W 6 2
Aug 15 ARI @ HOU W 12 2
Aug 16 ARI @ HOU W 11 5
34 runs. And none of those went 13 innings. :-)
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I made the comment
fully expecting (and waiting) for you to correct it if it weren’t true.
Also, we lost to Colorado last year? Are you sure??
:-P
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
And heading to Oakland next
Who are only 8-10. Got to be thinking two of three there. Saturday a banker win for Haren, and hope we can split the other two [Sunday more likely than Friday, I reckon].
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
8-10 at home?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice recap
Sorry you got stuck with it, but you did get given first choice of picking the day game or the night-cap! I would just like to say that I would have found a pic of Chewbacca, like the one who attended the game, and used the headline
Wookie of the Year
Ah. Just me then…
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Eh, it's all right.
When I got that e-mail, I thought maaaaaybe I should’ve taken the early one before I headed to the other side of Phoenix, but didn’t think I’d have time. And then all this stuff happened. Que sera, sera.
The 2nd game
was more interesting. Azreous games are always required to be interesting.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Bullpen had to do a lot of work yesterday.
Hopefully Max can go a little longer than normal. I doubt he gets further than 6 but it would be really nice if he did.
Clint Hurdle seems not to be long for the job, after a somewhat arbitrary benching of Toolo. (Heh….)
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Had to be a matter of time.
I like how some Rockies’ fans reacted to us letting Melvin go by saying something along the lines of “See? They can fire their crappy manager!”
Yeah.
“Must be nice to be a fan of an organization who holds people responsible” seemed to be the feeling all around, and the consensus among objective observers seems to be that Hurdle is an even worse in-game manager than BoMel.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
by DbacksSkins on May 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought
Has any pitcher ever before given up a home-run to the same player in both halves of a double-header? Rauch did to Uggla.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
Rauch
Rauch’s fastball has no movement on it whatsoever. Both of Uggla’s mammoth shots were right down the middle, almost like batting practice. That guy scares me every time he trots to the mound. Pena does too when he goes out for a second inning.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
Jim,
if anyone would know that, (or how to find it out) it’d be you.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
I'll email Jayson Stark
He loves that useless information stuff. :-)
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
God emperor of suck
I have to disagree with the suck totals up above. After watching most of both games, Eric Byrnes has to be the winner of that category. Instead he just gets a dishonorable mention. That guy continues to bring his frying pan out to the field instead of his glove. I’ve never seen a player field a grounder and promptly lob it over the side of the wall. That should have cost us the game. That boneheaded play was just the tip of the iceberg for Byrnes who made two consecutive errors yeasterday when Garland pitched. It’s too bad CY is the God emperor of suck for the season, otherwise Byrnes would have to be riding the pine. It seems like every game Byrnes has to outdo his previous effort in ineptitude.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
He only gets dishonorable mention
because FanGraphs doesn’t take into acc’t defense.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Oh
I’ve only been on here a couple of weeks, I’m still trying to understand the whole Fangraph and Gameday Thread.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
:-)
It’s fine. You should join in a few GDTs? FanGraphs calculates, based on the outcomes of thousands of past games w/ the exact same situations (e.g., runner on 1st 2 outs in the 5th down by 3 runs, batter hits a homer, etc.) the % of chance either team has of winning. Unfortunately, it only takes into account hitting and pitching, since defensive stats are much less clear cut and much more difficult to quantify.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
You should join in a few GDTs?
Pardon my ignorance but how do I do that?
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
Gameday Threads?
You click on ’em and comment along with us? ;-)
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
When the post says Game Day Thread
just click on that and then click where you’d post a comment. We’ve got a good group here, so come and join us.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on May 21, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I was never sure on
When a base is stolen, does Fangraphs give the credit to the base stealer or the batter?
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
That error
Was pretty meaningless, the guy would have scored from 2nd on the single anyway. And Byrnes is our best fielder this season according to UZR.
Very entertaining game
between two teams, neither playing particularly well.
I didnt agree with the exact application of Qualls, but it was good for two reasons. It worked, and also exquisitely illustrated the strategy’s downstream ramifications, some of which may yet to be realized. Qualls (and by extension, Hinch) appear to be heroes for saving a near hopeless situation, but the fangraph tells the story. This game, and AJs rather showy move, was “saved” by Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds’ early morning heroics.
So far, Hinch appears more comfortable with certain risks and I share the observation some of the guys appear to be looser (ie having fun, opening up the throttle) right now. I’m not convinced it’s really translated into “better” baseball, given AJ’s patsy schedule to date, but when you’re a dozen games out, in May, it might not be a bad approach. It’s certainly entertaining.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
Patsy schedule?
The Reds and Braves are both teams above .500. Even the Marlins, I note, would be in third in the NL West.. In terms of strength of schedule, both managers have had about half their games against teams above .500, half below. Melvin’s seems slightly easier, but he also got to play 18 of 29 games at home.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so
Opponent RPI ranks, by Mgr (# of games against in parentheses)
Bob…………………………….AJ
1.Milwaukee(4)…… …..6. Cincinnati(3)
2.Dodgers (5)………….23. Florida(4)
4. Cubs (3)……………..26 Atlanta(2)
5. St Louis (3)………….30.Washington(3)
14. San Diego (2)
15. San Fran (6)
29. Colorado (6)
These ranks will bounce around quite a bit (as will the W/Ls you cited), and I’m not suggesting the Brewers are one of MLB’s best teams going forward. Just that Bob was tasked with a number of teams playing excellent early ball (for whatever reasons) and AJ, generally, was not. We all saw what happened against the Reds.
Bob’s homefield advantage is a valid and particularly visible part of the story (I detailed its significance here), but as we try to get our hands around how the team’s actually progressing post-Bob, these comparative SOS’s might be less apparent but at least as significant.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on May 21, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
“The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage, 50% opponents’ average winning percentage, and 25% opponents’ opponents’ average winning percentage.”
In other worse, take a bunch of numbers of dubious relevance, and crunch them together using completely arbitrary weightings without apparent justification, to produce a number that means… Well, let’s just say, objective it may be, but if you’ve got anything with actual intellectual rigor – that also takes into account the serious home bias Melvin enjoyed – I’d prefer that.
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it intellectual rigor
you prefer, or girding for battle with little more than defensive obfuscation? Contrast my matter of fact acknowledgment of Melvin’s home field ad with your little pissfest on a generally respected (albeit limited) tool like RPI. People can draw their own conclusions as to who’s comfortable with new information – and who’s not.
I dont really mind that you’re driven by passion, or unable to weigh facts in a dispassionate way. You’re only human. But this growing, almost kneejerk, propensity to grandstand about ‘intellectual rigor’ isnt doing your credibility (or the site’s) any favors.
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09
by Diamondhacks on May 21, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Qualls
Yes, I think I would rather have Qualls start an inning with nobody on. It worked though and Pena owes Qualls dinner for saving him. I’m still waiting for Hinch to come out and argue something to the ump, anything and get tossed. The players might trust him more if he shows that he ‘has their backs’.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
Byrnes's error - LOL
Byrnes’s error in the 12th was one of the strangest and funniest errors I’ve ever seen. Too bad it led to a run.
End of 2013?
Per here, he had just over one seson of major-league service time under his belt coming into this season, so would have five more to go before free-agency. Of course, this assumes he doesn’t get sent to Reno [DL stints don’t count], which seems unlikely…
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
From batting 3rd in the lineup
to getting sent to Triple A?
Yeah, seems unlikely.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Bartolo Colon - recipient of VERY poor defense
7 of his 8 runs (in 2 innings) were unearned
by snakecharmer on May 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Wakefield
Can sympathize…
"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil
by Jim McLennan on May 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird
I wouldn’t have thought most of those would have been unearned runs- the Twins had one error in the second inning, and that was with no outs. I could understand one run being unearned, but all seven runs scored that inning? I guess since the next two batters were out- one on a ground out, one on a sacrifice fly- they’re technically unearned, but I think Colon got a present from the scorer there. I mean, he gave up back-to-back home runs in that inning- you can’t pin that on the defense.
Related (about the White Sox) I found this article about Ozzie Guillen talking about Scott Schoeneweis. Nice.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."
Dammit.
That’s not gonna make Jake Peavy more likely to move to Chicago….
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Well,
then what about next year?
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
The Padres?
You mean the team two games ahead of us in the standings? I’m not giving up on this season yet, and every team ahead of us is a team that matters in some way or another.
Besides, I’d like to see Jeff Moorad’s team struggle some more.
"We can plant wild flowers on roof tops and be unorthodox urban honey pioneers."

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