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Diamondbacks 6, Rockies 9: Zen and the Art of Bullpen Maintenance

Record: 5-9. Pace: 58-104. Change on last season: -5

I find myself surprisingly at ease with tonight's defeat. This was always the game in the series I was least optimistic about, with the wobbly Petit going up against a pitcher who all but shut us down two weeks ago. Hence, the end result is not all that far from what I expected. However, the spectacular mismanagement of the bullpen and bench which led to the loss is...disappointing. Given a three-run lead, Bob Melvin seemed carefully to pick the players least well suited to each situation, and stuck with the pitchers for the precise length necessary to cause maximum carnage to our chances of victory. Remarkably, it was the first loss of the year not tagged to our starters, despite a relief ERA now sitting at 6.80.

Bobby Korecky - the mop-up man in the bullpen - allowed the first three Colorado batters in the sixth to reach. This merited a fatherly discussion from Melvin, rather than the removal of his right ear with a rusty butter-knife which his performance actually merited. Thanks to a dive and a throw from the ground by Augie Ojeda [well, he is closer to it than most of our players] , he got a double-play ball. But Melvin then opted to bring in our "B" LOOGY Doug Slaten, to face the left-handed batter with more hits in the National League than anyone else since the Diamondbacks came into existence. That would be Todd Helton, with 1,941, oops, my mistake: make that 1,942 hits. I guess Melvin was saving "A" LOOGY, Scott Schoeneweis, for...oh, yeah, mop-up duty in the ninth inning.

Even after we finally reached the middle of that sixth, we were only one run behind, and the way the game had gone, it felt entirely plausible we could get that back. However, you know what a one-run deficit means: Jon Rauch shambling in from the bullpen, a heavily-tattooed vortex of relief suck. A double and a homer [the latter, once more, to Helton] later, his record was 5-for-5, taking games where we were one run down, and allowing the opposition to score. One definition of insanity is repeating the same actions over and over again, hoping for a different result. On that basis, there is a comfy cell with the "Mad" Scientist's name on it at the Bide-a-Wee Rest Home for the Feeble-Minded. Another shining example was the bottom of the eighth, where, with two men in scoring position and the tying run at the plate, he pulled Chad Tracy for Tony Clark. Was the strikeout which followed a surprise to anyone except Melvin?

Way to waste a solid start by Yusmeiro Petit, and some decent hitting from the offense. Petit went five innings, and allowed two earned runs, as well as an unearned one, resulting from a CoJack blunder at first. Petit dodged his share of bullets, none more so than the fifth where he had men on second and third with no outs, and managed to retire the next three hitters without allowing a run. He allowed eight hits and a walk in his five innings, but struck out four Rockies. Petit was comfortably in line for the win, after RBI hits from Ojeda and Jackson gave Arizona a 6-3 lead after five. Melvin and the bullpen, however, had different ideas, and the Petit Unit instead gets to add his name to the ever-increasing list of Arizona starting pitchers who deserved a kinder fate.

The offense, too, merited better than to sink to 0-6 vs LHP: eleven hits including back-to-back solo homers for Chris Young and Eric Byrnes, and a two-run shot from Mark Reynolds, his fourth. Felipe Lopez had three knocks, Reynolds and Jackson two apiece, while Byrnes and Miguel Montero each delivered a hit and a walk. It just wasn''t enough to offset four innings of "relief" [and I use the word in the same way an advert for Ex-Lax does], which led to seven hits - most of them for extra-bases - two walks and six earned runs. Of course, our actual good relievers, Qualls and Peña, got the night off, and the chances of our first winning streak (not consisting of the number 1, anyway) went similarly absent. As noted, the result I view with equanimity. But if I hadn't put away four Heinekens at the wrestling tonight, I might be less mellow and inclined to demand our manager's head, for continued incompetenece. I leave that up to others. You know who you are.

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[Click to enlarge, at Fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Eric Byrmes, +7.5%
God-emperor of suck: Juan Gutierrez, -24.1%
Dishonorable mention: Jon Rauch, -16.9%

The hitters have clearly responded to the whole 'cute animal' thing fairly well, but after tonight, it's clear that my encouragement needs to be directed to the disaster which is the bullpen. I'll work on that for tomorrow. A somewhat frustrated Gameday thread in the second-half - though that doesn't excuse the F-bombs being dropped by some. 735 comments in total, with hotclaws (78) backing up 'Skins admirably. Also present: Gravity, mrssoco, AJforAZ, singaporedbacksfan, Snake Bitten, dbacksbj, luckycc, Diamondhacks, Azreous, PioneerSkies, kishi, Wimb, ASUJon, TwinnerA, Tooch27, emilylovesthedbacks, IndyDBack, Muu, soco, venomfan, Rox Girl, Wailord, jonny-yuma, Brendan Scolari and snakecharmer.

As noted before the game, Webb threw a bullpen session today, the next start of his rehab. He'll throw another on Friday - possibly a longer one, that would have him pause in the middle, in effect, creating a mini simulated game. He wouldn't be drawn on any timetable for his return as yet, but it sounds like we may know more depending on how he feels after Friday. He may either then make a rehab start somewhere, or simply throw to hitters in Phoenix - but it still sounds like we'll be lucky to have him back by the end of April. Here's his thoughts, and also those of Melvin, on Webb and our struggles against left-handed pitching.

Audio courtesy of KTAR 620

Down in the minors, Tom Gordon also made his second rehab appearance for Reno tonight, throwing two scoreless innings, giving up three hits and two walks. He threw a total of 33 pitches [19 strikes and 14 balls], and gave up all the hits to start the eighth inning, but - much like Petit in the fifth tonight - avoided any runs being scored. Down in Visalia, Jarrod Parker started and had a poor outing bu his standards. By that, I mean he finally allowed a run, in his third outing. He allowed five hits over five innings, and the evening's work saw his ERA sky-rocket from zero to the dizzy heights of 0.64. It doesn't seem like he'll be long for Visalia at that rate.

Day-game tomorrow, and we get another chance to see if we can finally beat a southpaw, in the shape of Jorge De La Rosa. And, more importantly, get Dan Haren his first win and take our first series of the year.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Stick figure Phil makes a good point

But maybe we should axe Rauch before Melvin?

"Treat your mind like a bad neighborhood - don't go there alone."

by mrssoco on Apr 22, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or both

And they can take Tony Clark with them.

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why

are you angry that Bob Melvin has no job?

What? neh-are you se-no! No! I hh I I don't even't know what you're sayinhow whatdoyou whatdoyou talking about you want me to go away? I I I I can't no! I can't I can't just leave I - ...you can't leave me!

by soco on Apr 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's angry

Because he told him not to cry.

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

I’m STILL angry even AFTER firing him.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

But then

you should have put Angry Skins in the third panel.

What? neh-are you se-no! No! I hh I I don't even't know what you're sayinhow whatdoyou whatdoyou talking about you want me to go away? I I I I can't no! I can't I can't just leave I - ...you can't leave me!

by soco on Apr 22, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was.... on an airplane, or something,

and didn’t see the score until I landed.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

excellent

i like the angry “You should have known better” leer at Melvin, nice touch.

by jonny-yuma on Apr 22, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is this not rec’d?

After Bob Melvin gets fired does that mean the D’backs have to hire Kirt Manwaring as their next manager?

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on Apr 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, by the two Snakepitters who rec things?

One of whom is me??

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 25, 2009 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rec things from time to time

And meant to in this case, but by the time I get to the bottom of the visual aid, I’m too traumatized to have any positive associations with baseball.

"is it wrong that 'zombies' is the first place my brain goes when someone dies? Is it 'wrong' or is it simply 'safety-minded'?"

by kishi on Apr 25, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

See? That makes two of us.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wild prediction

For today’s game. De La Rosa’s line after the game:

7.2IP 5H 1ER 8K (5 IFF – 3 by Byrnes, 2 by Young)

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, I was close

6.2IP 6H 2ER 6K

And one of the runs was walked in after he left.

by paqs on Apr 23, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Help me out (which way did I come in?)...

  I have no idea why Jon Rauch continues to be allowed to use a baseball in a professional setting here. Does he possess some damning evidence of sensational behavior (Tapes , photos , stains) that would incriminate or otherwise make publicly uncomfortable some ranking member of Arizona management (or government)?
  Being the largely ignorant baseball fan I am I have no statistical evidence to wave in either direction but I’m hard pressed to recall when exactly that moment was that he did not suck outright. I cannot help but think that your post starter pitching outcomes would be brightened greatly by his mysterious disappearance for an outrageously long amount of time – like , say , forever.

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Apr 22, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Wish I knew

How much suckage does it take for Bob Melvin to lose faith in you? I know you can’t dump a player based on one good outing, but this is getting beyond a joke.

Last night’s game was totally wretched. I can perhaps understand Peña being unavailable, as he’d pitched Saturday and Sunday, but for the back-end of the bullpen to turn a three-run lead into a deficit in the course of one frame is unacceptable. Qualls should have been warming up when Korecky loaded the bases with no outs – because that was when the game needed to be saved, not during a ninth-inning lead that never happened.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

BUT TEH CLOZER CAN ONLY COME IN IN TEH NEINTH!!!!!

Also, I agree; you can’t dump a player based on one good outing….

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

If only we kept Cruz :(

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melvin

never used Cruz appropriately, anyway. He used him as a long guy/mopup guy, even though he was the best reliever on our staff last year.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even so

He would have been in instead of Korecky last night.

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

what else does it take at this point? dump him and bring up Whitesell to replace TC. let’s make some minor changes to capitalize on the offense seeming to wake up and hope it continues from there.

by jonny-yuma on Apr 22, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our manager

has an interesting approach. When a player performs badly in a specific situation, Bob Melvin keeps putting that player in the same situation over, and over, and over

and over

and

over.

It’s the “get back on your horse and ride it” school of management.

Maybe it’s good for the players’ confidence, although judging by some of the shell-shocked performances we’ve seen from our young players, the panicked “this has to be a nightmare” expressions, and the repeated mistakes, it isn’t helping. There were times last year when some of our players (specifically Mark Reynolds and Micah Owings) looked like they were close to tears. I think I’m ready to weep right along with them.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Apr 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fatburger

does NOT cry. Watch yo’self.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's sensitive!

Babe Ruth was a jerk but baseball's still a beautiful game - Dean Winchester

by luckycc on Apr 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO.

FATBURGER IS NOT SENSITIVE.

You might be thinking of Chris Burke, who cries himself to sleep everynight.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And often

Doesn’t even wait until it’s night.

"He can't re-educate them in camps! He'd have to educate them first."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially

when I punch him in the face OMG I HATE CHRIS BURKE.

(But not as much as I hate Jon Rauch)

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Rauch

is the new Chris Burke.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Apr 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's

the old Chris Burke?

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

please do NOT let Jon Rauch be the new Chris Burke. Chris Burke sucked only once every 9 batters. Jon Rauch sucks EVERY batter.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

then he’s Chris Burke Concentrate: 3-4 terrible ABs in a row, instead of spread throughout an entire game.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Apr 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such a frustrating start

If Haren doesnt get his first win today I might just go totally insane. And if Rauche is the cause of another loss I might just have to beat the tar out of him.

Well at least are hitting has been consistant for 2 nights in a row. Here’s to hoping that that keeps goin.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Apr 22, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

"2 nights in a row"

does not consistant [sic] hitting make.

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

When it’s an improvement over the 3 hits in three games of last series I call it consistant.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Apr 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his last 24 appearances as a Diamondback...

Jon Rauch has given up a run or more in 17 of them.

Take a minute to really let that sink in.

by Azreous on Apr 22, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

No

I’m under doctor’s orders not to think about Jon Rauch’s numbers with the Diamondbacks, he said it “angries up the blood somethin’ fierce.”

I’m not sure he’s a very good doctor.

"He can't re-educate them in camps! He'd have to educate them first."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are so many things wrong with this

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Apr 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a 70.8%

chance the other team will score.

who is Melvin really helping here? Is he looking for a way out?

"If you'd need to know, you'd know. but they decided that you don't need to know,so you don't. So stop thinking about what you don't know because you don't need to know what you think you need to know about!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new Diamondbacks theme song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGHz1lVEiBE

"If you'd need to know, you'd know. but they decided that you don't need to know,so you don't. So stop thinking about what you don't know because you don't need to know what you think you need to know about!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh

I was going to recommend this one.

"He can't re-educate them in camps! He'd have to educate them first."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad...

Let’s hope something changes for the better soon before we start playing this one

"If you'd need to know, you'd know. but they decided that you don't need to know,so you don't. So stop thinking about what you don't know because you don't need to know what you think you need to know about!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game sucked.

But I would like to take a moment to commend Jim on his recap title.

Very nice.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Apr 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

This

My brother would also approve. (He’s actually read that book)

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about reading it once.

by Bcawz on Apr 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

that makes your brother an awesome person.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Apr 22, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the exception of Rauch

who has been really awful for an extended period, this bullpen usage criticism is misguided and results-oriented.

As you pointed out, we have only two really solid RPs as it is (TP, CQ), Petit goes five, so instead of dealing with the fact that’s a big, unavoidable, organizational problem, you’re reduced to groaning, after the fact, about why Qualls didnt come in the sixth, etc. So Korecky can close down our theoretical lead in the ninth, with no reinforcements? No doubt that would be Melvin’s fault as well ;-)

Juan Cruz (and Valverde and Lyon) have left the building, and Melvin is utilizing what’s left over. Three or four innings of shutdown relief (like we had in 2007) would be nice, but Kendrick and JB would have to finance it – blaming Melvin for this is unfair.

One thing JB, Melvin and Price have done exceedingly well in their time here is manage existing pitching resources – and some people just refuse to appreciate that. When our guys pitch well, we say it’s the pitcher – when they inevitably dont, it’s all Melvin’s fault. As if this is some video game set on Easy where pitchers just throw great as a habit. Consider this pen’s ERA (6.80?), yet they’ve been tagged with only one loss. Gee, must be random variation ;-) (Actually, it could be, being so early, but I’m just throwing it out there as a counterpoint)

Rauch is a special case, I think, by virtue of the fact any of us can lament his game entries before the fact – almost regardless of circumstance – and be generally “proven” right, when he coughs up runs. This counterproducitve usage is hard to figure (and stomach), but is so unusual I I have a hard time believing JB isnt supportive (or even driving) it. He is Bob’s boss, after all.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Apr 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great

Now if you explain why Schoeneweis keeps pitching to righties…

by paqs on Apr 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And also explain

Why B-LOOGY Slaten was used to pitch to Helton.

It’s exactly BECAUSE we have limited resources, that we need to manage them more imaginatively and effectively. The defining moment of a game is not always in the ninth with a lead of between one and three runs, and Melvin needs to appreciate that. He’s still stuck in a 2007 mentality, where we had four or five solid relievers – so it really didn’t matter who pitched the sixth inning, because it was still going to be someone decent. Now, that’s just not the case.

Certainly, when your bullpen turns a three-run lead into a deficit in the course of an inning, there’s an issue witj your relievers – and there’s no denying, we need help there. But when the lead is blown without any of your three best relievers [Pena, Qualls and Schoeneweis] making an appearance as the lead evaporates, the issue is with the manager, as much as with the talent.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Apr 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a thin line

between ‘imaginative’ and horror fantasy :-) You appear to want to bring in our best RPs at the first hint of post-fifth inning trouble – those ‘defining’ hi-lev moments – unfortunately, BM doesnt have the luxury of all hands on deck (ie WS Gm 7)), and has to manage to the season as much as to late inning run cushions peculiar to each game.

Let’s say BoMel did what you wanted and everything turned out great (ie Pena came in early for Korecky, held the lead, Qualls nailed down the save in the ninth). This assumes “our bums” pitched well enuf in the 7th and 8th to actually bring it to Qualls, but let’s assume that. The good news is we’d be 7-8, instead of 6-9. The “bad” news is Pena would already be on a 93 IP pace (Qualls @ 75 2/3) for a team that a) isnt winning much yet, and b) has had several off days. Starting today, the Diamondbacks are scheduled to play forty games in forty one nights. Even with Tom Gordon, that’s brutal. Who’s going to lock down these games? Who’s going to ride to the rescue, every time a game is “on the line” in the sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth innings?

Pena and Qualls are our most valuable relievers, but they’re ‘valuable’ in two distinct senses. Your sense, in that they can get outs in these imaginative, high-lev scenarios, but my sense, in that we can least afford to have them overused or misused (ie “saving” games in the sixth that our “bums” untimately cough up in the 8th or 9th), and/or ultimately rendered ineffective (ie Pena post ASG 2007, etc).

There’s often more than one ‘defining’ moment in a game and they’re not always easy to identify real time. Part of a manager’s job is to utilize resources in such a way that influences when and how often those defining moments occur – and try to steal as many wins as one can. That often involves shaving your lead to ultimately win and be better positioned tomorrow – but it doesnt always work out that way. Nobody, including Melvin, wants to lose a lead, but ask yourself this: Since you have limited RP resources, would you rather lose the lead in the sixth, or in the eighth or ninth? I’d say the sixth affords you more chance to come back offensively (yes, even this team) and I believe that’s part of the thinking.

I’m not sure why Slaten came in for Helton, as Schoeneweis was certainly available (he pitched later that game), but I’d guess Bob felt Slaten could get him out. The result was Slaten overmatched Helton, who hit the sorriest seeing-eye chopper past Ojeda. It happens, and I’m not confident SS could’ve done better. Further, I think it’s silly to suggest that by bringing in Slaten, BM somehow didnt recognize it was a critical point in the game. He recognized that, made a pretty good call, and it just didnt work out. Baseball happens.

More generally, when we see BoMel trot out “losers” with the game on the line, your tendency is to see an idiot manager who doesnt appreciate leverage, etc, whereas I see a smart guy juggling fragile resources, one eye focused on the game, the other on the season – and his third eye focused (appropriately, I think) on the resources themselves :-)

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Apr 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schoeneweiss and Slaten

will have to pitch to righties occasionally, whether we like it or not. The alternative places an undue burden on the rest of an already shaky pen, by “wasting” pitchers (ie bringing em in, then not pitching to anyone due to pinch hitters, etc)

It’s a gory tale, but the alternative, where Scott chucks to 38 lefties in a row, is a fairy tale.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Apr 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG!

I put an extra ‘s’ on the end of ‘Schoeneweis’. ARGHHHHH!

(I always give people a ridiculously hard time about that)

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Apr 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slaten pitching to righties isn't the problem

It’s Scott “Righties hit 70 points better off of me than lefties” Schoeneweis that we have a problem with. Also, if my kludging of stats is right, he gives up home runs about three times as often to right-handed batters as left-handers.

"Alas, our Kitten-class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Righties

hit Slaten 100 OPS pts higher than lefties, with alot fewer strikeouts

Career split

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Apr 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Slaten isn't better against lefties than righties

Just that the disparity isn’t as bad as Schoeneweis- righties hit Scott 240 OPS points higher than lefties. I mean, we’re talking about the difference between an OPS+ of 119 for righties and 58 for lefties with Schoeneweis.

"Alas, our Kitten-class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides

Isn’t a 100 points of OPS equivalent to about a single every twenty at-bats?

"Alas, our Kitten-class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs."

by kishi on Apr 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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