Community Projections, Part 2: Outfielders
A little disappointed in the number of responses posted to the previous projections - partly my own fault, as we've had a lot more posts this week, and the infielders post vanished towards the bottom of the page (and now off it!) pretty quickly. Hoping for better in this batch, and we should certainly have a lot to discuss in the performance of our four outfielders.
LF. Conor Jackson
2008: .300/.376/.446 (.822), 12 HR, 75 RBI
Bill James: .296/.379/.459 (.838), 15 HR, 81 RBI
Chone: .296/.384/.465 (.849), 14 HR, 74 RBI
Marcel: .291/.370/.449 (.819), 14 HR, 73 RBI
Oliver: .281/.357/.434 (.791), 15 HR
ZIPS: .296/.377/.454 (..831), 13 HR, 74 RBI
Jackson looks to head into Opening Day as the starting left-fielder for the first ever time, and this stability should prove helpful: defensively, it's certainly his best spot. I expect CoJack to be close to the same level of production as last season, hitting close to .300, and possibly with the best OBP on the team. The big question-mark is over his power - he had no homers at all over the last two months and 200 at-bats. Word is that an injury may have robbed him of that, and I think he should be good for a few more homers than that.
AZ SnakePit: .298/.380/.450 (.830), 17 HR, 88 RBI
CF. Chris Young
2008: .248/.315/.443 (.758), 22 HR, 85 RBI
Bill James: .255/.325/.480 (.805), 26 HR, 86 RBI
Chone: .260/.336/.482 (.818), 25 HR, 88 RBI
Marcel: .251/.317/.452 (.769), 23 HR, 78 RBI
Oliver: .240/.306/.446 (.752), 28 HR
ZIPS: .254/.319/.484 (..803), 30 HR, 93 RBI
After hitting a low of .295 on August 3rd, Young's OBP recovered: it was .361 the rest of the way, and while we probably can't expect that for an entire season, an extra 20 points or so over 2008's figure would be very handy and quite plausible. That'll probably come equally from hits and walks, and will hopefully not lead to any change in his home-run numbers. Another key aspect will be his SB numbers: estimates in these system range from 17-20, but I'm thinking it'll be a few higher than that.
AZ SnakePit: .258/.335/.455 (.790), 23 HR, 90 RBI, 24 SB
RF. Justin Upton
2008: .250/.353/.463 (.816), 15 HR, 52 RBI
Bill James: .263/.356/.488 (.844), 22 HR, 79 RBI
Chone: .257/.349/.444 (.793), 16 HR, 69 RBI
Marcel: .264/.352/.454 (.806), 13 HR, 54 RBI
Oliver: .253/.326/.435 (.761), 13 HR
ZIPS: .265/.349/.457 (..806), 19 HR, 71 RBI
Projecting 21-year old players is almost impossible, but I'm surprised four of the five systems here expect Upton to go backwards? I'm with the Bill James projection, and a step forward for our young phenom. The last 20-year old to play 100 games in the majors was Adrian Beltre, and his line increased by .15/.08/.47 the following season. That seems plausible here, though I don't expect Upton's SLG to go up quite that much. He's another one I expect to do much better on the basepaths; than last year, where he was caught four times in five attempts.
AZ SnakePit: .265/.361/.485 (.846), 23 HR, 88 RBI
Utility OF. Eric Byrnes
2008: .209/.272/.369 (.641), 6 HR, 23 RBI
Bill James: .257/.320/.433 (.753), 16 HR, 57 RBI
Chone: .259/.322/.428 (.750), 17 HR, 60 RBI
Marcel: .260/.323/.436 (.759), 12 HR, 44 RBI
Oliver: .253/.312/.420 (.732), 7 HR
ZIPS: .262/.323/.436 (..759), 13 HR, 53 RBI
If Byrnes performs anything like 2008, he won't see much playing time. Indeed, if the projections are right, his only hope of significant games is if Chris Young meets the pessimistic ones and Eric is right at the other end. Health is obvious the biggest question here, and if he's fit, he'll get whatever playing time his performance deserves, spelling all three outfielders as needed. He's certainly better than the alternative reserves we have to hand, such as Alex Romero, but expecting any more out of Byrnes than that... We can but hope.
AZ SnakePit: .258/.320/.430 (.750), 13 HR, 45 RBI
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My 2 Cents:
Conor Jackson
.305/.385/.460 (.845), 15HR, 87RBI
I see Conor getting a large benefit by remaining in the same position (crosses fingers) the entire year, and he is by far the best hitter on our team. I would like to see him hit a few more home runs, but that’s not really his game. As always, I am open to being proven wrong in that department.
Chris Young
.255/.330/.465 (.795), 25HR, 90RBI, 19SB
I think CY’s reported emphasis and natural growth combine for a nice year at the plate. His average is still a little sub-par, but no longer leading off should help bump up his HR and RBI totals as he’ll see better pitches. We have not seemed as committed to stealing bags like we were 2 years ago, so I don’t see him getting to 20.
Justin Upton
.260/.360/.480 (.840), 20HR, 75RBI
I see a solid year from J-Up, but I hope his largest improvement comes defensively. Still nothing to look down upon considering he’s only 21.
Eric “Hammy” Byrnes
.263/.335/.420 (.755), 11HR, 48RBI
Eric returns to a position he has been many times before in his career: a spot-starting 4th outfielder. His numbers could fluctuate a lot depending on how often Melvin sends him out to pinch-hit (or pinch-pop out as the case may be) and how he responds to that role. I think the additional rest he’s getting in ST will help him once the games start counting.
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by Snakebitten on Mar 9, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Conor Jackson-303 average, 15 homeruns, 78 RBIs.
Chris Young-258 average, 26 homeruns, 85 RBIs.
Justin Upton-273 average, 23 homeruns, 74 RBIs.
Eric Byrnes-245 average, 9 homeruns, 32 RBIs.
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by damdrs1717 on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.000/.000/.000
for all of them… I’m an optimist. ;-)
Hey, you said you wanted more projections.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we may
Be excluding your projections from the final numbers. :-)
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by Jim McLennan on Mar 10, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
that would skew the average just a bit.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
here’s my real projections.
Jackson: .292/.374/.445 14 HR 75 RBI
Young: .252/.328/.453 24 HR 86 RBI 17 SB
Upton: .270/.362/.458 17 HR 75 RBI God I hope he goes backwards…
Byrnes: .254/.311/.409 8 HR 43 RBI
Exciting I know.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Upton
The projections for him are weird for me as well, but I think they average his first two seasons, and his first season was terrible (.647 OPS). It works well to gauge what you can reasonably expect from a 6 year veteran but not really in Upton’s case. I mean, all 4 systems save BJ project him to lose between 20 and 30 points of ISO!!! At the old age of 21 :)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m assuming those couple of months of below replacement level production in 2007 cost us a controlled year of Upton (had we kept him in the minors for that year). If that’s true, it’s a terrible, terrible decision.
Anyway, even if he stays more or less the same offensively, if he can become a plus defender in right, he will be worth an additional win or two.
by paqs on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Upton has 1 year and 60 days of service.
So if he was up for more than 60 days last year, then yes it cost him a year of service time assuming he doesn’t go back to the minors. But, I think he was up all year this year so I don’t think it ended up having any effect.
You guys still have 5 more years of team control, with 2 more years until arbitration.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this has nothing to do with the conversation
and this is totally unscientific, but just by quickly adding the Dodgers and Phillies starting position players’ wOBA’s (using Dobbs at 3rd and Werth in RF because they had higher wOBA’s than Feliz and Jenkins) I found that the Dodger’s team wOBA was actually 37 points higher than the Phillies. I’m too lazy and tired to do this for any other teams, but maybe Raygu was onto something when he said the Dodger’s offense would be one of the best in the NL.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it will
Though I don’t imagine Manny will get anywhere near last year’s numbers, and all the projections agree.
by paqs on Mar 10, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I totally forgot
the wOBA’s are taken from 2009 Marcels projections.
That my bad, as obviously that makes a huge difference. But Marcels seems to think that the Dodger’s offense will be better than the Phillies next year (Not accounting for health, playing time, and bench players)..
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 10, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you still felt the need to
throw it out there?
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Mar 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
raygu didn't say that
He said that the Dodgers offense would be the best in the NL. That’s our point of disagreement.
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by kishi on Mar 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton
could easily put up some monster number
something like .320/ .420/ .610 48HR
by Dbacks fan in Taiwan on Mar 10, 2009 6:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
the operative word is not “easily”, but rather, “monster”.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 11, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, if that happens,
this division is over in June.
Not that it’ll happen, but it’d be pretty hilarious.
by Azreous on Mar 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I'm too lazy to write quatrains this time
My guesses projections:
Conor Jackson: .304/.381/.448, 15 HR, 82 RBI
Chris Young: .257/.327/.468, 27 HR, 91 RBI
Justin Upton: .262/.350/.491, 26 HR, 83 RBI
Eric Byrnes: .249/.331/.419, 9 HR, 51 RBI
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by kishi on Mar 10, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These will totally be right.
Conor Jackson: .307, 18 HR, 79 RBI
Chris Young: .266, 22 HR, 74 RBI
Justin Upton: .270, 21 HR, 66 RBI
Eric Byrnes: .258, 12 HR, 35 RBI
Consider this: The Diamondbacks are 120-92 with Eric Byrnes in the lineup the last two years, and 52-60 without him. Let’s just hope he’s healthy and playing well (because clearly this is a significant statistic).
by Azreous on Mar 10, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He was worth 3.3 wins to us in ’06 and 3.9 in ’07 (using fangraphs metrics that take into account stolen bases, defense and positional value). The only position player that comes close to that is Jackson with 3.4 in ’08.
In fact, even if we take into account that he was -0.9 wins for us last year, his total 6.3 wins between ’06 and ’08 is second only to Hudson.
Hudson: 7.8
Byrnes: 6.3
Snyder: 5.6
Jackson: 5.5
Reynolds: 4
Drew: 3.8
Young: 3.7
Tracy: 2.9
Montero: 1.7
Ojeda: 1.5
If Byrnes is healthy and able to get back to his ‘06-’07 level, we’ll be a lot better off.
Also, looking at this, Hudson seems like a big loss, as Lopez was worth 2.8 wins in the last 3 years, but the systems project Hudson to be only about half a win better with the bat (on average) and as for defense, UZR really doesn’t like Hudson, rating him at -7.4 runs during his 3 years with us (an average of about -2.5). Lopez was at -5.5 last year, playing there full time for the first time in his career. So I guess it’s realistic to expect a total loss of about one win, unless Lopez improves his defense or keeps hitting like he did in the second half of last season for the entire year. Which isn’t much.
by paqs on Mar 11, 2009 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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