Crisis in CactusLand? Spring attendance down 14%
Two more teams - and a new stadium - arrived in the Cactus League this season. Between that and the extended training due to the World Baseball Classic, there are 68 more games in Arizona this spring than 2008. But the crowds appear to be staying away. As noted on Sunday, the Diamondbacks drew less than five thousand to Tucson Electric Park to face the Oakland Athletics. In contrast, on the same weekend last year, over twelve thousand crammed in to TEP for a split-squad game against the White Sox. Similarly, barely seven thousand were on hand to watch the Cubs at Peoria; on the first Sunday in March 2008, they drew 12,668 to Hohokam.
This is something I first touched upon last Sunday, in our Tucson report, and Nick Piecoro then followed a similar theme, albeit in general and, I have to say, somewhat misleading terms. He took Arizona vs. San Francisco, and compared a Tuesday game this year with a Friday game last season, commenting that the 2008 contest drew far more Except, Fridays always get better crowds in the Cactus League. Last year, over the three complete weeks, Tuesday games drew an average of 32,352, while Friday pilled up 82% more - 58,854, including the single-day high of 66,110 on Match 21st. So, while there may be an issue, that example wasn't really evidence of anything much.
Team president Derrick Hall wasn't too concerned by the apparent dip. "I think it's a sign of the economy, obviously, but I think it shows that fewer people are traveling from the home cities to come to see the teams in spring training. That shouldn't impact us, because obviously there's no travel involved in seeing us during the regular season, and with our affordability I think we'll be OK." That's true and not true: sure, there's little or no travel involved during the regular season, but the recession has hit Arizona as hard, if not harder, than most states and all optional spending is likely to decrease. That will impact attendance this year. How much, we'll have to wait and see.
By then, I was already working on this piece, having thought it would be interesting to compare attendance across the entire league, in a somewhat more rigorous manner. Is it a question of baseball fans simply being spread more thinly, with the new arrivals and many more games this year? Or are crowds down as a whole? It's a little difficult to draw precise comparisons, because of the different start-dates and schedules - Cubs vs. D-backs will always draw much more in Arizona than Rangers vs. Royals. But it seemed fair to run an entire week, against the same week in 2008, and see what the numbers show overall...
The figures below include all games, such as split-squad contest and exhibitions against non-MLB teams, such as WBC warmup contests, to give an overall figure for baseball in the area that day. I did exclude out of state match-ups such as the Cubs-White Sox game on Wednesday in Vegas and Arizona's game in Hermosillo, however. I'm using the official attendance figures from mlb.com, though I have some qualms about these. Were there exactly 5,000 for the game at Goodyear on Sunday, or is that just a lazy estimate?
The periods covered are Saturday 1st through Friday 7th March 2008, and Saturday 28th February through Friday 6th March 2009. There are some difference in my '08 figures with those on the official spreadsheet [PDF format] - most are minor, a handful in the attendance. But the official numbers for March 2, 2008 mistakenly exclude the 12,855 for the AZ/CWS game from the overall total, calling it a game against Mexico. No: that was the Rockies who played our neighbors, and drew more than ten thousand less. I included that game, but in '09 also included Arizona's Tucson contest against Mexico on Wednesday.
| Sat | Sun | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Tot | |
| '08 AZ | 45,017 | 58,300 |
24,586 |
27,956 | 30,218 | 27,454 | 53,026 | 266,557 |
| /game | 7,503 | 7,288 | 4,098 | 4,659 | 5,036 | 4,576 | 7,575 | 5,923 |
| '09 AZ | 43,436 | 44,757 | 23.202 | 21,601 | 32,082 | 25,614 |
39,839 | 230,531 |
| /game | 6,205 | 6,394 | 3,867 | 4,320 | 4,583 | 3,659 | 5,691 | 5,012 |
The overall numbers make for gloomy reading. Even with two extra teams in Arizona, including the conveniently-local Los Angeles Dodgers, and more games played, 36,000 fewer fans showed up last week, a drop of 14% on the same week in 2008. On Friday, there were one-quarter less compared to the equivalent Friday the previous season. It's perhaps worth breaking that number down further, just to show the extent of the drop. There were seven games that day, both this year and last, so these are the numbers for each contest:
| 2008 Mariners vs. Cubs - 12,842 Giants vs. A's - 10,293 Angels vs. White Sox - 8.675 D-backs (ss) vs. Padres - 7,849 D-backs (ss) vs. White Sox - 4,785 Rockies vs. Royals - 4,768 Brewers vs. Rangers - 3,814 |
2009 Dodgers vs. Cubs - 12,913 Giants vs. Angels - 7,364 Brewers vs. Indians - 4,654 A's vs. Mariners - 4,430 Rockies vs. Padres - 4,354 Rangers vs. Royals - 3,499 Australia vs. White Sox - 2,625 |
Looking at that, it apparent that marquee match-ups - and in spring, they don't get more like that then Dodgers-Cubs - can still pull in the crowds. But after that, there's a steep drop-off, with only one other game pulling in above five thousand. It is still early days. Last year, it was a bit like being at Dodger Stadium, since the fans showed up to Spring Training late. Half way through, numbers were almost identical to 2007, only a few thousand better overall. But an entire week [March 19-25] where there were over 50K every day at the games saw 2008 reach record-breaking numbers, almost a hundred thousand more than the previous year. So I wouldn't rule out another late surge. However, I wouldn't rely on it either.
If this decrease holds true over the entire season, the attendance will be down to about 1.13 million, which would be the worst since 2003. However, some of this deficit may be made up with the 68 additional games being played in Arizona this year. Let's quickly do the same for Florida. How does this compare with the spring training games over there? Are they experiencing the same thing? Is the Grapefruit League getting squeezed? [Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.]
| Sat | Sun | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Tot | |
| '08 FL | 52,779 | 64,032 | 50,561 | 43,053 | 55,339 | 48,796 | 60,445 | 375,005 |
| /game | 5,864 | 6,403 | 5,618 | 4,784 | 5,031 | 6,100 | 6,044 | 5,682 |
| '09 FL | 55,608 |
44,929 |
24,210 | 46,009 | 39,051 | 48,648 | 52,562 | 311,017 |
| /game | 6,179 | 5,616 | 4,035 | 4,183 | 3,550 | 4,423 | 6,570 | 4,860 |
The figures here are very similar to Arizona, with an overall drop on the week that's just slightly higher, at 17%, though with the departure of teams for the Cactus League, there were fewer contests and the per-game figure has dropped by a little less 14%. That's marginally better than the 15% decline per game seen in Arizona, but some teams have seen bigger drops: the Cardinals are down 20% and even the Marlins are off by 19%: pitcher Josh said one of the Marlins' new players asked him, "Is this all the people who come to the games?" He added, "Usually with the Cardinals it's packed, a sea of red. It seems like a lot of people who usually come down from St. Louis aren't and that's probably killing it right there."
The drop for the Marlins goes against the generally-held wisdom that local teams will be immune to the recession as their fans don't have to travel. On the other hand, the Tampa Rays are up 40% for their games, though one suspects their metamorphosis from perpetual cellar-dwellers to World Series participants is by far the most significant factor involved there. As noted above, attendance for the Diamondbacks is down, but their apparent intention to abandon Tucson may be acting like a dagger to the heart there, with the local population now treating them like a spouse on the other side of an acrimonious divorce.
Obviously, the key element is the economy. Spring training is the one aspect of baseball attendance which does rely significantly on traveling fans. During the regular season, the distances involved rule out any massive number of visiting supporters [all the Cubs fans who show up at Chase for three games a year don't count, since they're here anyway - albeit probably hiding under rocks and at the back of your woodshed. :-)] However, the prospect of a week or two in sunny Arizona/Florida is, understandably appealing to those in chillier climes, who head south in droves.
Not so much this year, however. The Cubs are among the most obvious victims: last season, they led the league in attendance, posting an average gate of 12,080, with eleven of their fifteen 'home' games at Mesa Hohokam being basically sold out. This year, despite a record number last weekend, when over thirteen thousand crammed in to see the Cubs-White Sox, the average at the time of writing is all the way down to 9,446, a 17% drop on the figure after six home games last year (11,358). Though, speaking as an Arizona resident, while the Northern dollars are perhaps welcome, their presence in our restaurants, post offices and left-hand lanes is not being missed in the slightest.
I also suspect that there may also have been a misjudgment of the market for the new park in Glendale, especially in the current economy. The seats there cost anywhere up to $100 - yes, for a spring training game. I don't care what perks they come with, that's ludicrous, and most fans seem to agree. Even for the first game the Dodgers ever played at Camelback Ranch, those premium seats were reportedly only about half-filled. Hardly surprising, since by the middle of the game, Who? was not only on first, but playing just about every position on the field. One of the appeals of spring training is the relaxed nature and cheap tickets: you don't feel you have to concentrate on every pitch, when your seat cost ten bucks or less, and don't care if you see the Double-A roster for the last four innings.
What does this portend, if anything, for regular-season attendance? Very hard to say. Discretionary spending is down in most areas, though the cinema is doing very well - the theory is that people tend to head there for escapist purposes. People may well be staying at home, which would help Arizona since we are not exactly a summer destination. No-one comes here of their own free will between May and September. However, the state also appears to have been among the hardest hit, especially in the area of housing. Chandler issued one home-building permit last month; Glendale none at all. The length and depth of this recession will play a large part in determining what happens this summer, but these first signs are that we can expect a significant impact.
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As you say cinema is doing very well but I suspect that’s because it’s seen as a relatively “cheap” option. The question is whether the casual fan will view going to see the Diamondbacks in the same light; and the answer is (as with everything about the economy at the moment) nobody has got the faintest idea. I suspect that teams will have to be very careful about pricing as they risk alienating fans if they come across as uncaring or greedy.
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by Arizona via Slough on Mar 7, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
you don’t have to travel to see a movie (for the most part) and who really wants to pay through the nose to watch an exhibition? Spring Training has always seemed overvalued to me, now it’s just ridiculous.
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by soco on Mar 7, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’ve obviously been expecting a drop in attendance. I read an article before games started stating they expected a 15% rise in total attendance totals over last year, leaving unmentioned the fact that those attendees would be spread over an extra week of games and two extra teams- I’m sure that was a bit of spin that would have made ‘Hacks proud/enraged. =) I’‘m curious how things are looking versus their projections, though. Reading this article make me think they aren’t doing as well as they hoped, particularly after lines like this: The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, for example, drew an average of 7,387 fans last year for each game at their spring training stadium in Tempe. Through five games this year, they had drawn only an average of 2,421 fans.
And, to correct you, Jim, there are two new stadiums- Camelback Ranch and Goodyear Ballpark. Speaking of which, one other thing I was wondering about- Goodyear’s stadium is already decorated with the Reds logo, ready for their move next year. It does raise questions in my mind, though, of how the schedule next season is going to work, with an odd number of teams in both leagues.
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by kishi on Mar 7, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
what it costs to operate Chase Field on a given day. Could the Diamondbacks just open the lower deck for spring training, and open only half the concession stands?
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by soco on Mar 7, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(lightbulb!!)
As the games are at 1:05pm, the roof would be open for natural light. No need for air conditioning. I like this option….
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Mar 8, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it's March
which is just gorgeous weather. And the Diamondbacks get to show off their awesome stadium and provides extra business for the downtown area. Unless the cost is outrageous, the Diamondbacks really should be doing this. I’d even consider going to some Spring Training games.
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by soco on Mar 8, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive data mining, Jim
I really appreciate the effort.
Considering two new stadia and the infusion of two very large market teams (LAD, CHW) in the Valley, the 15% gate decline feels more like a baseline 25+% drop, imo.
Soco said:
…who really wants to pay through the nose to watch an exhibition? Spring Training has always seemed overvalued to me, now it’s just ridiculous
I think this may be a growing perception among baseball saturated locals. The cheap, intimate days of spring training are far less accessible, swallowed by a revenue driven extension of the regular season that the Cactus League has become. Bigger stadiums, higher pricing, the lack of stars or player interaction with fans – ST is more and more like the regular season, which we already get six months a year. (Well, except for the utter absence of drama in March "games").
My wife’s from Ohio, inquired about checking out the new Indians park. Good seats, for the three of us, run $82.75, plus parking, gas to and from Goodyear, etc. It’s a hundred bucks before you even sit down. And by good seats, I mean the last few rows of the infield “boxes”, between the bases with your back up against the concourse. We can afford it, but I choose not to. I guess if you’re cooped up in Skokie and never been to a Cactus Game, there’s a certain appeal, but $100 to watch two or three innings of good players fearful of stretching major muscle groups, followed by AA-AAA wannabes? Pass.
As noted, Dodger seats, with pork chops and mango scented facecloths (you really cant make this stuff up) cost triple that. Nothing illustrates MLB’s cultural disconnect with ordinary fans better, unless it’s our club’s embarrassing Camelback Ranch Envy, resulting in thinly veiled disdain towards Tucson and their satisfactory 12K facility, as well as the more than respectable 48K facility already here in the Valley.
I’m not as convinced as you seem to be that attendance woes will carry over to Chase. Derrick’s just been so consistently upbeat and confident about that – upbeat in the sense of “flat with 2008” – that I think it may not be all PR. Is the club as well positioned to draw fans as he says? As of today, I would say “No”, but suspect he has a number of discounts and incentives up his sleeve and is shrewd enough to roll them out at the appropriate times for maximum impact – on an “as needed” basis, and not before then.
while the Northern dollars are perhaps welcome, their presence in our restaurants, post offices and left-hand lanes is not being missed in the slightest.
Good one. USPS Factoid: Iowans are incapable of choosing from among three or more stampbook designs in less than six minutes. Argghhhhhh!!!!
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by Diamondhacks on Mar 8, 2009 4:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting read (and comments)
as I get ready to head down to Peoria and see the Diamondbacks and Mariners. It certainly isn’t any surprise that attendance is down given the economy. I think Hall has a point about those out of town fans choosing (or being forced) to stay home. I personally know two couples that have vacationed in AZ and attended Spring Training games for the better part of 10 years. They’ve both chosen to skip the trek this year. They kept their season tickets (yes there are season tickets for Spring Training) and put them on Stubhub.
Hacks makes good points about the mutation of ST from something inexpensive and intimate to a commercial behemoth. However, I still enjoy going and probably always will. A big part of that is I’m more than happy to pay $8 and sit on the lawn soaking in the sun and sights and sounds of baseball. I don’t need great seats because the game is merely an exhibition. I’ll soak up some sun, walk around, watch them in the bullpen, etc. I’m more than okay with that – I enjoy the hell out of it. But I won’t pay $8 dollars and sit on the moon at Chase Field during the regular season. To me, the lawn seats at ST have a value that the cheap seats in Chase field don’t and never will. That’s just me.
I’ll be waiting for the inevitable ticket specials (assuming I can’t find some season ticket holder to part with some games) and will likely see a game or three at Chase Field. When I go to a “real” game I want to have decent seats – so I eschew the “value” of the cheap tickets. For the most part I am more than content to sit on the couch at home. Usually, those are the best seats of all.
Much like Hacks there are many things I can afford to do, but simply choose not to because of value, perceived or otherwise. Lately I’ve been hearing more and more gripes from longstanding sports fans about how much money athletes make. In addition to those that simply cannot afford sporting events, I also believe that for many that can there is growing distaste with the obscene amounts of money changing hands.
Obviously, that is not a new complaint (and one I came to peace with myself many years ago), but it certainly is resonating in these times.
by cavscout on Mar 8, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I
know it’s your opinion and I respect that, but I’m the exact opposite in regards to Spring Training pricing. To me, paying $3 more than I would to see a real game is pointless unless I’m sitting in good seats. I don’t want to sit on the lawn for an exhibition, especially since I can just wait a month and see the regular season, or pay the same amount and go see a Sun Devils game.
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by soco on Mar 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different people
…different strokes. No problem. I’ve done the cheapest of the cheap seats at BOB, er Chase and many other sporting venues to include hockey and football. Not my thing.
I do see the logicial inconsistency in me paying the same price for an exhibition versus a regular season game. I just enjoy the experience that the same amount of money gets me at one versus the other a bit more.
Off to the game!
by cavscout on Mar 8, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I side with cavscout
I don’t want to pay $30 to have a good view of seeing the starters play two or three innings of ball- or $45, freaking Dodgers. Going to Spring Training, to me, is a lot more about just being in the stadium, getting there early to watch batting practice, that sort of thing. I can do all that just as well with a $6 lawn ticket as I can with a pricier seat near third base.
Of course, it depends on the ticket prices, too.
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by kishi on Mar 9, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I don’t want to pay $30 to have a good view of seeing the starters play two or three innings of ball- or $45, freaking Dodgers.
I don’t either? My argument is if I’m going to see an exhibition game that devolves into AAA players or worse, I’d think sitting in decent seats shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg. When even lawn seats are more expensive than seats at Chase, there’s something wrong there.
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by soco on Mar 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ended up
sitting in my Father in-law’s seats – first row of the second “level” of seats, only three seats in the row. Analagous seats at Chase might be the upper rows of Dugout Box F but with nobody sitting directly in front of you. He gets them for $19. I had assumed lawn seats because he had already offered those seats to a friend… Anyway, they are fantastic seats at an arguably reasonable price.
Will be going back down for more games at Peoria as well as planning on picking up lawn seat to ‘tour’ the Dodger’s new digs.
by cavscout on Mar 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay, I got you
I look at it from a different perspective than you, though, I guess- I wouldn’t compare the lawn seats to the $5 tickets at Chase, but rather to the $15 bleacher seats, since I see that as a more comparable situation, considering how close it gets you to the field, a shot at catching a home run, etc.
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by kishi on Mar 9, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more than happy to pay $8 and sit on the lawn soaking in the sun and sights and sounds of baseball. I don’t need great seats because the game is merely an exhibition.
Oh, me too. The wife, not quite so much, especially if the berm is a cramped weekend madhouse (which I feared it might be).
To me, the lawn seats at ST have a value that the cheap seats in Chase field don’t and never will.
I think they both have their virtues. An ST berm ticket for $4-5 with a blanket and some room is a beautiful thing. $8-13 and, you know me, I get kinda indignant :-)
P.S. — Good to see you move back into town, cav. Property values are already rising :-)
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by Diamondhacks on Mar 9, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As with almost all problems
the best cure is winning. As long as the Dbacks stay in contention in the West the fans will always come.
I don’t know who said it, but “Just win, baby” is most appropriate for the regular season. As for Spring Training games, I don’t think much can be done to help those numbers.
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by Snakebitten on Mar 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The reptilian Al Davis.
I see the lawn seats , they look warm and soft. But can I see the play at the plate?
To charge more for a partially professional (go ahead , split hairs) exhibition than the regular season is really taking advantage of the devoted fanbase , and now that we’re forced to “reevaluate the nature of our relationship” with all things expensive this may be a continuing downward spiral.
My team doesn’t reside here , so I’m compelled to go see Madison Bumgarner now rather than wait the three years before he cracks the rotation.
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May be worse in the regular season
Major League Baseball has warned club business people that attendance is expected to be down 17-20 percent in 2009, and it could be worse, especially with franchises like the Padres, Blue Jays, Tigers, Indians, Astros, Rockies and others that could be seriously impacted by the recession.
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by Jim McLennan on Mar 9, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
History seems hell bent on a repeat.....
not quite as bad as that NY Times piece about the 1930’s, but damn close.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Mar 9, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting series of articles in USA Today
Ticket deals tied to birthdays, stock prices
Spring training attendance down at Arizona sites
Empty spring seats spawn creative regular-season deals
'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'
by Jim McLennan on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good links
The Arizona Diamondbacks took note: In the regular season, the club will invite fans to bring their own food to the ballpark.
Ouch. Derrick may need Mr Moorad more than I realized ;-) Cant you already bring in food – in clear plastic bags?
I’m curious what your readers think of these other deals across the country, compared to what’s offered locally. I’ll just shut up and listen.
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by Diamondhacks on Mar 9, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty much buried
In the depths of the A-Z guide. Bringing it to people’s attention, in normal times, would be cutting your concessionary throat, but tickets may be felt to be a better source of revenue than over-priced hotdogs this summer…
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by Jim McLennan on Mar 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You were allowed to before, by inviting us to are they asking fans to replace the mobile vendors? Save the team some money, make some cash on your own… =)
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by kishi on Mar 9, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not living in Az
it’s difficult to know how much this has been (or will be) publicised but my guess is that it would be more of a hit to Levy’s Restaurants than the Diamondbacks themselves. Although I admit that I don’t know the specifics of the contract.
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by Arizona via Slough on Mar 9, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great research, thanks for posting this...
I did want to raise a couple of points that may influence the numbers (or not – w/apologies if these were mentioned in the linked articles).
1. If spring break occurs on different weeks in most of the visiting states from year to year, this could influence attendance within a particular week;
2. If the first rounds of the NCAA tournament fall on different weeks from year to year, this can influence attendance (especially in Cactus League where you have Vegas fairly close);
3. A WBC year would negatively influence attendance. AZ benefited overall from this in ’06 but not this year;
4. Inelastic demand from out of state visitors combined with an extra week of spring training = reduced average attendance.
5. Inelastic demand from locals combined with more spring training games to choose from = reduced average attendance.
As a side note, moving the Dodgers to AZ was a home run but they really shot themselves in the foot with the ticket prices.
As a second side note, my retired parents recently bought a foreclosed home in Goodyear, so this Tribe Fan and Cactus League addict is one happy camper.
Tough to hear about attendance being down but I’ve always preferred buying a cheap seat in a half empty stadium and hopping from seat to seat in between beers and sunblock applications anyway (especially after the starters get yanked).
Good luck D-Backs in ’09.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Mar 17, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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