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How many wins for the 2009 Diamondbacks?

When it comes to projecting wins, I tend to go with a fairly subjective method, starting with how the team did last season. From there, it's a question of looking at the changes, good or bad, one can expect from that baseline. Was the team unlucky? What players have arrived? Which ones left? Will the ones remaining get better or worse? The conversion of all these factors into a numeric value of plus or minus is, I cheerfully admit, largely an arbitrary one. But I feel more comfortable with it, rather than trying to come up with a projected number of wins made out of whole cloth.

For the Diamondbacks, we therefore start with a base number of 82 wins, and unlike 2007's team, Pythagoras tells us the team was neither lucky nor unlucky. The offense is the area where I expect the majority of any improvement to take place: this is still a young starting line-up, with 'veterans' Chad Tracy and Felipe Lopez still only 28 on Opening Day. Only four NL sides in the past thirty years have had eight full-time position players in their twenties [the Marlins in 2001 and 2007, the 1996 Expos and the World Series-winning 1990 Reds]: health willing, Arizona could become number five. That suggests age alone should be on their side, with additional experience benefiting them at the plate. It's no guarantee, naturally, but the likes of Young, Drew, Montero and Upton did all have notably better second-halves. Sustaining those numbers for the whole year will go a long way to driving the team offensively

Off the bench, things should be better for Arizona too, if only because they can't get much worse. Not just as pinch-hitting, though an OPS there of .656 wasn't good [that's 31 points less than Craig Counsell's career average]. But outside our regular eight and short-time rental Adam Dunn, the only player with ten plate-appearances and an OPS+ better than 83 was Miguel Montero (94). You'd think one of the dozen would have been average, purely by chance. But instead it was over 1,450 at-bats off the bench, most of them not very good. Montero is back, Eric Byrnes should be an improvement over Salazar and Romero, even if both his hamstrings snap on April 6, and Tony Clark... Well, let's just give him the two hundred PA's flushed down the toilet by Chris Burke and see what happens.

The rotation should be a strength, much as it was last season. Brandon Webb and Dan Haren should be among the best 1-2 in the league; Doug Davis will be Doug Davis, in the way only Doug Davis can; while Jon Garland has the potential to be one of the off-season's real bargains [The loss of Randy Johnson was unfortunate, but Garland is likely the more reliable option]. Then there's Max Scherzer, a wild-card who could turn out to be our ace in the hole. We'll see how that goes, but it all seems like a rotation with few obvious weak-spots. It's one that will give the team a chance to win almost every day, and hopefully, a very good chance to win more often than not.

Finally, there's the bullpen, about whom much the same can be said as for the bench - they'd better be an improvement, or else I'm calling in an air-strike. I think if you did Pythagorean analysis on the relief corps [and I'm not sure how], you'd find their 17-28 record was unlucky. Bullpens with 4.09 ERAs simply don't lose 62% of their decisions - at least, I checked the last decade in the NL and couldn't find any that did. I'm not sure we'll quite be able to match that ERA [Tom Gordon < Juan Cruz, let's say], but even allowing for some slippage there, the Diamondbacks bullpen should be capable of a result much closer to .500, simply through regression to the mean.

Now, the tricky bit: assigning a number of wins attributable to each category, which mostly consists of me licking my finger and waving it in the air. I think the offense will shoulder the bulk of the improvement, so +3 there. A little more oomph coming off the bench too, but only about a win's worth. The same from the rotation, who were already about as good as can be expected - what Scherzer does is the key factor there. And give the bullpen an extra 1.5 wins, if they can avoid those pesky late meltdowns. That's a total of 6.5 wins on top of last season's 82, making a total of 88.5: having given the Dodgers 88 wins in my prediction, I'm going to invoke executive privilege and round our number up to 89, and declare us NL West champions.

Ok. Basically, it's just too close too call, with the margin for error in any of these way bigger than the expected gap. I doubt even the most hardened and optimistic of Arizona fans [Susan?] would be anticipating a cakewalk to the title. I do think it will come down to ourselves and the Dodgers, and if both teams remain healthy and play up to their potential, it could be a race not decided until the last couple of weeks of the season. I certainly hope that's the case - and something True Blue Eric mentioned at the park yesterday, that it's decided on the field. While it'd help our chances enormously if Mandy was to choke on his dreadlocks early in April - or, conversely, if Webb was mistaken for a deer in the Kentucky woods - it would be a great deal sweeter if we were able to overcome a full-strength LA team.

One week to go, folks. Time to put your money where your mouth is. How many wins for the 2009 Diamondbacks? Answers and explanations below.

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How many wins for the2009 Diamondbacks
90 or more
62 votes
87-89
99 votes
84-86
58 votes
81-83
24 votes
80 or less
33 votes

276 votes | Poll has closed

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I got

out of class early so I’m feelin’ good. 162 wins, baby!

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Mar 31, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Hope springs eternal!

We weten allemaal dat het de beste is.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Mar 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm...

I say we get over 80 but am unsure after that, I can realistically envision us winning over 90 but can also realistically envision us wining 80. Its a toss up…a lot depends on the pen (or lack there of) and how much J Up and CY progress.

by J Up on Mar 31, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I say 87.

Also….. Jim? The lowest category is “80 or less”?

Setting the standards a bit high, aren’t we?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Especially since

we only won 82 last year, and almost 1/4 of those came in April….

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Most projections have us in the mid-80’s, and so putting upper and lower boundaries of 80 and 90 seems about right. Expanding those would have made either giving too many options or making the categories so broad as to be meaningless. Unless we suffer some major injuries, I don’t see the team can be significantly worse than last season. If we’re less than 78 wins, it’ll be a real disappointment.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beg to differ.

We have to replace 107 games at OPS+ of 108 from Hudson and 44 games at 127 from Dunn, and 184 IP with an ERA+ of 117 from RJ, 51.6 IP at 176 for Cruz, and 59.3 at 98 (not too tall an order) for Lyon just to repeat at 82 wins. After our smokin’ hot start last year, we went 62-72 — heck, the only reason we finished above .500 was the way we demolished the Rockies.

Do I think our young guys will improve? Yes, within reason — Byrnes, Tracy, Miggy, CY and Upton should be better, but I think Drew, CoJack, Snyder and Reynolds will be about the same.

Of course, there’s also addition by subtraction: we won’t have to suffer through 165 ABs at an OPS+ of 51 from Chris Burke. Hopefully, those will NOT be counterbalanced by having a full season of Tony Clark. Still, I take issue with your statement that “I don’t see the team can be significantly worse than last season”. I do. I definitely do.

Not saying they WILL, mind you — I predicted the same # of wins as you, fully recognizing that it was an optimistic figure — but to set the lowest threshold at 80 seems a bit presumptuous. I would use last year’s 82 wins as a baseline, NOT “mid 80s”, despite what “most projections” seem to think.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of thoughts

On the pitching staff, we also get to replace over 150 innings at an OPS+ of 77 from Micah and EdGon, and should be able to do better than that. Cruz’s loss will hurt, but the surprising thing is how much he was used as a mop-up man last season – 37 of his 57 appearances were in games where the margin at the time was two runs or more. Only eleven times did he come in, in what would be called a ‘save situation’ [with a lead of three runs or less]. As the best reliever on the team over the past two years, that usage pattern seems very odd. But, basically, seems he can be replaced by a league-average pitcher, without it significantly affecting results.

On the subject of Randy, the team only went 14-16 in the games in which he pitched – that’s really what needs to be replaced. The bullpen was tagged with six of the losses – in those games, Johnson’s ERA was a minuscule 1.89! As long we have a .500 record in Garland’s starts, we’ll be ahead of the curve there.

It is crucial to get off to a good start this year; the early schedule has a lot of games at Chase, and a lot of games against our divisional rivals. Now, we all know the division won’t be won in April, but if we don’t find ourselves near the pace at the end of the month, things are probably not going to get easier.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

woo!

I picked the one in the lead!

"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"

by sergey606 on Mar 31, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

For the Diamondbacks, we therefore start with a base number of 84 wins, and unlike 2007’s team, Pythagoras tells us the team was neither lucky nor unlucky

Um….. Jim? We won 82 games last season, not 84….

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 3:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Meaning,

if you stand behind your predictions of improvement, that your 86.5 rounds up to 87.

Meaning that you and I independently came to the same number. :-P

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

2007

that’s a couple years ago

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by sergey606 on Mar 31, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

::confused::

And?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

Duly fixed. Call that a +2 for the Rauch factor, since we would have won 84 if it hadn’t been for him. :-)

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by Jim McLennan on Mar 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the?

I was going to say is he still a D’back? Because I wish he wasn’t. He got one out in today’s game and gave up 5 runs, all earned. I wonder what his excuse will be this season?

by TwinnerA on Mar 31, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

::shrug::

I don’t get it…. I have no idea why Rauch just started sucking when he got traded last year.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation should be a strength, much as it was last season. Brandon Webb and Dan Haren should be among the best 1-2 in the league; Doug Davis will be Doug Davis, in the way only Doug Davis can; while Jon Garland has the potential to be one of the off-season’s real bargains [The loss of Randy Johnson was unfortunate, but Garland is likely the more reliable option]. Then there’s Max Scherzer, a wild-card who could turn out to be our ace in the hole. We’ll see how that goes, but it all seems like a rotation with few obvious weak-spots. It’s one that will give the team a chance to win almost every day, and hopefully, a very good chance to win more often than not.

There’s another aspect of this that I was reminded of at Purple Row… the weakness of our bullpen should be somewhat mitigated by the fact that our front four pitchers all have the potential to average over 200 IP. To copy and paste something I pointed out over there:

"Presumably, Doug Davis won’t need to get his thyroid removed again this year.

Ignoring Davis’ 2008 as an anomaly, every one of our front four starters has averaged 200+ IP since at least 2005:

  • Davis has averaged 206+ innings per season since 2004.
  • Webb, 219+ IP every year of his career, and only below 200 his rookie year. (2003, 180.6)
  • Haren, 219.6 since 2005.
  • Even including Garland’s lousy 2008, (his first below 200 since 2003) he’s averaged 205+ IP since 2002.

Scherzer, obviously, is the biggest question mark in terms of quantity of IP — which is why he’s the fifth starter, and why it’s nice to have an above major-league average sixth starter in Petit."

Basically, we’ve replaced RJ’s innings with the remarkably durable Garland’s.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 3:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Some of that

Has t be mitigated by the fact Garland and Haren were largely pitching in the AL, where pitchers do tend to stay longer in games anyway. But yes, if Scherzer can stay the distance, we’ve got a realistic chance of getting 1,000 innings out of our starters. Which would certainly help the bullpen, and keep the best guys fresh for the meaningful innings. The first time Juan Gutierrez is brought in to pitch a tied-game, our dogs had better watch out…

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garland

seems most likely to fall short of 200…. not only because he’s 4th or 5th in ability, and thus more likely to be lifted, but because he’s only averaged slightly more than 200, and now he’s switching to the senior circuit.

Haren’s innings dropped a little last year, from 222 in ‘07 to 216 in ’08, and barring injury or total meltdown, I don’t see how he wouldn’t break 200 again. Haren’s also helped by the fact that he’s a decent hitter for a pitcher, and therefore might not be far behind an available pinch hitter in ability.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want

meaningful baseball to start, which places me in the most optimistic mood possible. I’m going for exactly 90 wins.

Is it Opening Day yet?

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by Snakebitten on Mar 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Less than a week!

I’m counting down the days. Might wander all the way down to Maryvale tomorrow to watch on of their last Spring Training games…

"Scott, are you evil, or are you really happy?"

by kishi on Mar 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

89-63

Win the division by two games. That’s my wild guess solidly-based-in-reality prediction.

"Scott, are you evil, or are you really happy?"

by kishi on Mar 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

89-73, obviously

Unless we have a shocking number of rainouts that we don’t replay.

"Scott, are you evil, or are you really happy?"

by kishi on Mar 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

86 wins

those un-played rain outs we have here in the desert can come back to haunt you….

We weten allemaal dat het de beste is.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Mar 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put me down

for 87-75. Not sure if that’ll be good enough to win the division though.

by Azreous on Mar 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Pessimism

This is a 75-80 win team. The main difference for me from last year to this year is replacing Randy with Garland and not replacing Juan Cruz.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Mar 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say 90 wins but

looks like Rauch will cost us something around 5 Wins, so I’ll bet 85.

Wikipedia is accurate. (citation needed)

by Muu on Mar 31, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

a better way to put it would be that Melvin will cost us 5 wins. (If Rauch does)

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, nothing like a 6 spot on the board for the evil trolley dodgers. Ugh.

by Bcawz on Mar 31, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guessing

84-86 range, for wins.

by Bcawz on Mar 31, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going with 88 wins

it will be good enough for a one game playoff with those douchecanoes over in Los Angeles. I believe the Giants will be at .500 too. With Sandoval swatting his way to rookie of the year (I believe he can still qualify, 145 AB).

Diamondback Dan? Can he say that? Isn't that a popularly elected FO position?

by JustAJ on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Strength of Schedule

One other thing to factor in is SOS, specifically interleague play. Last year we were 6-9, mostly because of the Twins (0-3) and the Red Sox (1-2). We also played the Tigers (2-1), the Royals (1-2) and the A’s (2-1). We get the Royals and A’s again this year, so let’s assume we’re 3-3 against them again. Detroit and Boston are replaced by Texas and the Angels. Seems like a wash, so that’s another 3-3. Which leaves the Twins. They are being replaced by Seattle, arguably the worst team in baseball. That’s got to be worth 2 additional wins, maybe 3.

Combine that with the fact that every other team in the NL West except SF is weaker this year and we ought to squeeze out at least 87 wins.

by fjm235 on Mar 31, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Im going

with 90 as well…. call it illogical enthusiasm

You know how to cut to the core of me, Baxter. You're so wise. Like a miniature Buddha, covered with hair.

by Snake Bitten on Mar 31, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

So who's going to opening day??

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by Elway4Prez on Mar 31, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably not,

but I am considering it, since it’s actually at home for once.

I’m also probably going to the Dbacks-Rox game at Hi Corbett on Thursday.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that game is at TEP.

by Bcawz on Apr 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Errrr......

that’s what I meant. Freudian slip?

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 1, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thought about it

But opted to pass. The ’Pit needs me more. :-) Will be taking the day off, however, so expect a full day of coverage here!

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Sounds like a good plan!

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 31, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The wife and I

will be going.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only.

Stupid school in stupid Flagstaff.

Just realized that this will be the first DBacks home opener I’ve missed. That just makes me sad. And angry.
Maybe I’ll skip classes in revolt.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Apr 1, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

dooo

iiit

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by DbacksSkins on Apr 1, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

12:40 game

and the only class I can’t skip that day is at 12:30.

Damn.
I’ll be here after that, though.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Apr 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not

That’s the day off for mrskishi, and she’s a bit baseballed out after last weekend. I might take in the game on the 8th, though. And I’m going to see them play the Brewers tomorrow.

"Scott, are you evil, or are you really happy?"

by kishi on Apr 1, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am there!!

I’m turning my ten dollar nosebleeds to third baseline. I gotta tell Chris Snyder I named my fantasy baseball team after him before the game…

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by Elway4Prez on Apr 1, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know the drill

Kendrick’s team is ascendant

85

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