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Spring Things: Roster and bullpen spots

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I don't know about you, but I've pretty much had my fill of spring training already. We've been playing these games for more than four weeks now - our first game was February 25 - and I'm itching for something more meaningful. But this year, spring has been extended because of the World Baseball Classic: much as I'm entirely in favor of this event, it is simply extending the pre-season agony. Enough with the foreplay, already: let's get on to the juicy stuff! Still, nothing we can do except wait it out; more than two weeks to go, before the phrase "Of course, spring numbers are meaningless" will no longer need to roll off our lips.

A quick glimpse at the standings is not exactly good reading for local fans, with a record thus far of 7-13. Through Friday, the Diamondbacks had shown a startling lack of power, with only 12 homers in 21 games, tied with the Angels for the least in the Cactus League. The team's .275 batting average was also well below average, ahead only of the Rockies (.274) and Dodgers (.273) in Arizona. Even the much-vaunted attention to the running game hasn't shown much fruit. The D-backs have a dozen stolen-bases - less than half as many as Colorado and Los Angeles - and that's in 20 attempts, so the 60% success-rate is nothing much to write home about either.

However, it's really only down the stretch, that numbers will start to become anything like important. With the departures of John Hester, Trent Oeltjen and Brandon Watson today, the Diamondbacks have now reduced the numbers in camp to 38 - 17 pitchers, four catchers, nine infielders and eight outfielders. So those given a courtesy invite to Tucson Electric Park will no longer be cluttering up the box-score with their ohfers. It might not be a bad idea to throw out all the stats until now, and start paying attention purely to what happens going forward from this point. Before doing that, let's take a look at thing so far, and whether they shine a light on the roster decisions remaining. All stats exclude today's game, except where noted.

The 25th spot. There's really only one slot open for a position player on the roster. Beyond the eight starters, the bench looks set with Tony Clark, Augie Ojeda, Eric Byrnes and Miguel Montero. However, that would still leave one slot, probably likely to go to an infielder, since otherwise Augie will be the sole backup to Felipe Lopez, Stephen Drew and Mark Reynolds. James Skelton is still most likely to keep the spot, since his position as a Rule 5 pick means he has to stay on the 25-man roster or be offered back to Detroit. He hasn't exactly set the plate afire, going just 5-for-31, but his discipline has been as advertised, with five walks and only 3 K's. While drafted as a catcher, he has seen significant time in the infield, and that would certainly help his chances of sticking around.

His main rival appears to be Ryan Roberts, who has had a solid Cactus League, batting .310 (13-for-42), leading the team in hits, SB and total bases. In Bob Melvin's view: "He can play any position on the field and so he can give you that versatility with the 25th guy on a NL team that you're looking for, He's played second, third and left field, but we'll start looking at him in more spots, too, like shortstop, centerfield and left, just to see how he fits into those spots as well." Josh Wilson (10-for-37) is a fringe candidate, and it'll probably be Roberts or Skelton. Note, however, that some roster juggling is possible, with fifth starter Max Scherzer not needed until the 14th. His spot may be used elsewhere for the first week.

The bullpen spots. Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Tony Pena and Scott Schoeneweis have all inked their names in, but with Tom Gordon starting the season on the disabled list, there will be three spots open, at least initially. On Tuesday, Bob Melvin said "I couldn't even handicap it right now. I think we have enough going on to where it's still up for grabs, and I think the deeper you get into spring, the longer you see the first units out there/ I think you can get a better read on those guys when you're seeing a lot of the first units and facing a lot of big leaguers throughout the game." However, Yusmeiro Petit has done nothing this spring to suggest he won't be the long-relief guy, allowing only one run on six hits over eight innings of work.

Beyond him, things get murkier. Travis Blackley and Juan Gutierrez are both out of options, so if they don't make the roster, will need to be exposed to waivers before they can be sent to Triple-A Reno. However, neither man has done a great deal to stake a claim to remaining in the bullpen. Blackley pitched well enough for Australia in the WBC, but got slapped around for eight hits in the game today, jacking his ERA up to 7.88 in eight innings, on 13 hits and six walks. The results from Gutierrez have been no better, with 12 hits, three walks and nine earned runs in 9.1 innings. With those kinds of performances, waivers may not be an issue.

Better numbers by far have come from Billy Buckner (nine hits, three walks, four runs in 10.2 innings), and at the moment, he seems likely to get the other 'permanent' spot in the pen. I think Melvin would like to include Doug Slaten if possible, to give us a second left-handed option behind Schoeneweis. However, Doug isn't co-operating, having allowed nine hits and four walks in just 5.1 innings. You'd think he, and also Bobby Korecky (a 10.29 ERA) must have shares in a Reno timeshare, going by their apparent mutual intent on finding themselves there in the next couple of weeks. The date of Gordon's return is still highly uncertain, incidentally. It's been reported he has been throwing fine on flat ground, and his first bullpen session is scheduled for Monday. May looks more likely than April, I'd say.

I just looked at the box-score for today's game, and I think I'll quietly forget about writing it up tonight. Twenty-two hits allowed by the Diamondbacks' pitchers in total, including seven off Brandon Webb. No, I think tomorrow will do very well for that one.

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I hope

that if they go with Skelton for the 25th man that they won’t Burke themselves and refuse to swap out for a potentially better player later on.

And I’m right there with you on spring training. Normally my interest level is fairly low, but now I just really want the season to start already.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Mar 22, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Skelton

That is a hard call for me, because we have to keep him on the roster all year or offer him to Detroit. The little that I have seen of him has been favorable.

I guess that kind of begs the question as to how much we really expect from the 25th man on the team? Not to say they should not be major league ready, cause they should, but how well do we really expect someone to play that barely gets out there on the field during a game?

Burke’s downfall in our eyes, might have been magnified, I think, due to his stellar spring last year.

Overall, at this stage in the spring, I would favor keeping Skelton.

by Bcawz on Mar 22, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

we shouldn’t keep him around simply because otherwise he might go back to Detroit. We should expect at least someone mildly productive out of the 25th man, and if there are better options waiting in Tucson, why wait all year to make a move?

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Mar 22, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Classic counter example

Johan Santana was a rule 5 pick who ended up with the Twins – in his first season, he was brutal, posting a 6.49 ERA. I’m sure they had ‘better options’ in their Triple-A farm, but stuck with him. Worked out pretty well…

A 25th man can be hidden pretty well, probably more easily for a position player than a pitcher, so even if he sucks, he’s not going to have much negative impact on the team. Last year, Robbie Hammock filled the role and had exactly 25 plate-appearances in the first 48 games.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

if he doesn’t work out we shouldn’t keep him around simply because he’s Rule 5. Exceptions don’t make rules, you know.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Mar 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

But dumping him simply because he doesn’t work out this season is potentially an even bigger mistake. We don’t have to keep him on the roster forever, IIRC, just this year. Sure, we may get a couple of extra hits from another replacement-level player hauled down from Reno, but with Rule 5 selections, you’ve got to look at the bigger picture.

Don’t forget, he would ‘normally’ only be at Triple-A in 2009, at best, so odds are he won’t tear up major-league pitching this year. But we should be looking at his development: can he be a useful player down the road? If so – and an OBP of .400 so far suggests that’s the case – then stashing him as the 25th man, even if we have ‘better options’ immediately, makes sense.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skelton is my pick...

I was excited when we picked him up and he’s given us no reason to give up on him yet. Can’t be any worse than Robby Hammock..

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Mar 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hits keep on coming.

Haren gets shelled today against the Padres, but the Diamondbacks score 6 in the third to take a 6-5 lead anyway. Homers for CY and Monty.

by Azreous on Mar 22, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

11-5 Arizona now

8-O

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

11-7 after sevem

Nine of the Diamondbacks 12 hits have been for extra bases: Tracy has three doubles, Felipe Lopez a couple, and Ryan Roberts has added our third homer of the day.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah. this would be why...
Wind: 22 mph, Out to CF.

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The Angels game had 15 homers!!

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Mar 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were kidding, but

HR:
LAA: J. Mathis (3), B. Wood (3), M. Brown 2 (2), M. Napoli (2), R. Quinlan (2), R. Budde (1), J. Rivera (1).
KC: M. Jacobs (6), M. Olivo 2 (4), R. Shealy (3), C. Crisp (2), A. Callaspo (1), T. Pena (1).

When Callaspo is hitting the ball out of there, you know there must have been a tail-wind…

'As times goes by, as times goes by, they say "he's washed up", "he's finished" , "he's a loser", "he's all through". You know what? The only one that's going to tell me when I'm through doing my thing is you people here.'

by Jim McLennan on Mar 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck... Callaspo??

What about the other Tony P??

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 23, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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