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Trades, and Dbacks' Minor League Prospects

Baseball America has released their Top 100 MLB prospects, and as a sign of how far our farm system has been decimated, we only have two in the top 100 -- RHP Jarrod Parker is at #29, and OF Gerardo Parra is #88. (Daniel Schlereth wasn't listed, perhaps because he projects as a super-LOOGY)

In contrast, several former Dbacks prospects, all from the Danny Haren trade, and all with the A's, were also listed -- LHP Brett Anderson is ranked #7, OF Aaron Cunningham is ranked #55, and IF/OF/DH/sluggerwhocan'tfield Chris Carter 2.0 is ranked #76.

The Dbacks have also traded other prospects over the last few years  -- some of them include Chad Beck, (Eckstein trade) Wilkin Castillo, Dallas Buck, (both Dunn trade) Evan Scribner, (Clark trade) Ross Ohlendorf, Alberto Gonzalez, Steven Jackson, (all in the Randy Johnson trade) and Sergio Santos (Orlando Hudson) were all traded over the past few seasons, but none are in BA's top 100. At the same time, since being traded, Carlos Gonzalez, Dana Eveland and Greg Smith have become part-time or full-time major leaguers -- Eveland with the A's, and CarGon and Smith now with the Rockies. CarGon is expected to either make the 25-man roster in ST or be on the bubble, while Smith is the favorite for the 5th spot in the rotation. (For a few obvious reasons, I'm not even gonna TOUCH Carlos Quentin)

On the other hand, the only significant prospect to come to the Dbacks and stick (so far) has been Juan Gutierrez, who came over in the Valverde trade.

We all know how awesome Haren was last year, and we all know he also came at a pretty price. Danny went 16-8, with a 137 ERA+, 216IP, and led the team last year with 206 Ks. (Fun fact: He's never committed a balk, in his entire major league career.) With the hindsight of a full season, how do you feel about the Haren trade? Why? Which of these minor league guys would you want back today? What about any of the other trades? Feel free to include other trades I haven't mentioned.

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Would you repeat the Dan Haren trade?
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The key question is...

Would keeping those prospects have served the Diamondbacks better? In the great bulk of those cases, the answer is no: the majority of prospects never become even everyday players, let alone average or above-average players. And the Diamondbacks, with the exception of second-base, have just about every position occupied by a player fully under their control through 2010 or later. A prospect would need to offer a credible alternative – better and/or cheaper – to the current incumbent in order to have value for the Diamondbacks.

If your prospects are blocked and/.or not good enough, then sitting on them in Triple-A serves little or no purpose. They’re insurance if someone higher up the scale suffers a major injury, but otherwise… Wins by your Triple-A affiliate are not taken into account when deciding playoff spots.

The alternative is to convert those prospects into players who are able to help your team, and the Haren trade was a perfect example of this. You convert a number of potential players, who may or may not be successful down the line, into a player who can make a palpable difference to your team at the moment. There’s a certain amount of ‘win now’ involved in that: there’s no point making the trade when your team lost 95 games. But if you feel you’re one piece short of the postseason, then it may be worth the risk.

I think that’s the position the Diamondbacks were in after 2007. Yes, they’d made the playoffs, but Pythagoras whispered that this was more by luck than good judgment. Anothr starting pitcher seemed necessary to back up Webb and give the team a credible 1-2 punch, especially with Johnson’s recovery and effectiveness for 2008 being seriously in doubt.

On the other hand, there have been a number of very bad misevaluations of prospects. The obvious one is Quentin, but not protecting Dan Uggla was arguably even worse. If we had those two on our roster this season, I think the ongoing debate over who had the best lineup in the National League West would be significantly altered. Letting that kind of prospect leave without getting anything in exchange is especially detrimental to a mid-market franchise like Arizona, who need to use their farm system as a continuous source of talent, because free agency is not a useful way to spend their resources.

Outside of those, I can’t say I am too badly concerned by most of the prospects. Brett Anderson would have been nice to keep, but I think Haren is probably a better pitcher than Anderson will be [the numbers to date are certainly on my side, anyway!]. Hindsight is a wonderful thing: it’s easy to complain about any of these moves now, but if you weren’t equally as vocally against them at the time, you’ll pardon me if I treat your opinion with a certain amount of cynicism.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 24, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

IAWT

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Feb 28, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Jim said perfectly there wasn't room on the diamond for this minor leaguers...

Although I do really, really love Danny I still feel like we gave up way too much for him, especially when you look at other recent trades for marquee pitchers (Johan, what’s his face on Seattle, and Harden).

I think we may have been better off seperating all these top prospects we gave for Danny into two trades for other things…(Less talented, proven pitcher and bullpen depth possibly?)

It would be nice if we could have kept either Anderson, Eveland, or Smith but things are never as easy in the MLB as we like to make them out to be.

If they gave me the chance to redo the deal I’d still confidently take Danny though because I always favor the proven over the potential.

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Feb 25, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions  

If they gave me the chance to redo the deal I’d still confidently take Danny though because I always favor the proven over the potential.

Ahh. Not a risk-taker, eh?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 25, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That's probably why..

He doesn’t back the Cardinals. It’s not like they’ve been to a SB in the past 30 years.

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Feb 26, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

In addition...

The age of this team allows us time to rebuild the farm system while still being competitive. We should have a few years to pump it back up again and follow the D-Backs system of building internally. As said before around these parts the Backs have 5 of the first 40 picks in this draft, which should help immensely. (Could have had more due to Dunn, but thats a sore subject). Not to mention another top pick if anything ever happens in the Cruz Crisis. I think a better question is would you rather have that pick for Cruz or another year of above average service.

by PhoenixFly on Feb 25, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome

to the Snakepit!!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 25, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

A’s used 2 of those guys to get holliday
anderson is an elite prospect…3rd best sp prospect by BA after price/hanson
eveland nothing special, back rotation lefty
carter/cunningham are wildcards…cunningham #55 by BA, carter rated 5 star prospect by BP

by Asfan4ever723 on Feb 26, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Haren and Webb make a nice 1-2 punch..

Combined those two went 9-1 out of the gates in the first month of the season in ‘08. It’s hard to keep up with a team that does that.

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Feb 26, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Uh oh....

::cue “wins don’t matter” debate::

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 27, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Are there zombies over here too...

That don’t believe in wins?

Keepin' warm by the hot stove season.

by Charlie77 on Feb 28, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

No,

fortunately, there isn’t a ZombieDbacksSkins. Yet.

But don’t give soco any ideas.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 28, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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