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The Diamondbacks will probably be torn on this news. On the one hand, he’s going to a division rival. On the other, they’re getting a premium draft pick from the Dodgers (No. 17 overall).

Still no word on years or compensation.

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oh weak

"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"

by sergey606 on Feb 20, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hudson to LALA

I think most well informed Dodger fans are torn on this signing. On one hand they are getting a very good 2B at (most likely) a dirt cheap price. On the otherhand, the Dodgers lose the 17th overall pick to a division rival. The Dodgers do have pick(s) in the supplemental round, which softens the blow a little. Hudson is an upgrade over Dewitt of atleast 1.25 wins. A one year contract definitely won’t block Dewitt, so I don’t see this as a big deal for Dewitt’s development. He can go back to AAA and play 2nd base every day and or backup Hudson and C.Blake on the big league club. This signing pulls the Dodgers closer to the Diamondbacks and a Manny signing would now put them slightly ahead of the DBacks imo.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Feb 20, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

me being

not patient, even though the 17th pick overall is great, however this season will suck, every single time they play the Dodgers. Let’s hope Felipe Lopez will have a good season this year, and the ‘Backs draft well. Oh yeah, and I hope Manny leaves somewhere, like Japan (it’s a joke, no way that’s happening), or somewhere else, where he won’t face the DBacks’ rotation ever again.

"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"

by sergey606 on Feb 20, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed with everything

I can’t really decide whether I like the deal or not. If it was a 2 year deal I think I would like it more, but 1 year of O-Dog isn’t a ton of value for the 17th pick. Kind of a meh deal. Should be exciting this year though.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

closer to the Dbacks??

with a lineup that will SOON be:

Furcal
Hudson
Ethier/Kemp
Manny
Loney
Kemp/Ethier
Martin
Blake

is there a better lineup in the NL?? I think not.
Plus, if ODawg has a solid season in LA, LA gets a pcik next year if they let him file FA, no?? A solid off season for Ned.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is there a better lineup in the NL?? I think not.

Laughable, at best.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is

that all you could come up with??

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did it deserve better?

Not really.

I mean, take Manny out of that lineup, and it’s not that impressive. And, you’ll note, he’s not in it yet.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but unlike some people,

I don’t post here just to insult idiotic visiting fans.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A brief introduction + some thoughts

Hi, I’m new here. I am Chzburger Jones as you can see. Feel free to call me Chz. I am an Angels/Dodgers fan and I come in peace. I will probably mostly lurk but I will post from time to time as well when I see something I can give an informed opinion on. I do the same over at A’s nation as the resident Halo fan. They seem pretty nice and welcoming to a fan of a rival team and I trust that you guys will be as well.

Now that I have gotten that out of the way, here are my thoughts on the Dodgers lineup and rotation. I DON’T believe that the Dodgers will have the best lineup in the NL if they sign Manny, but I think it will be one of the best. It will be definitely the best in the NL West, that’s for sure. I still think the best lineups in the NL belong to the Mets and Phillies. I think with Manny, we might move ahead of the Cubs (though their pitching is far superior, which is what I am about to get to). I’ll be really satisfied with the Dodgers lineup if they sign Manny. Him and Casey Blake give us veteran clutch hitters to mentor the young core that is vastly improving. I think Ethier and Kemp will continue to make strides will I foresee a rebound year for Russell Martin. Furcal and Hudson give us great catalysts at the top of the order and It would be nice to see Loney’s power numbers return to 2006/2007 form but I really don’t know what to expect. I do know that he will continue to hit for a solid average and be a good RBI man as the team’s probable cleanup hitter (at least I think he should be).

As for the pitching, I’m not so confident. Billingsley was a legitimate ace last year and I expect him to be good again in 2009, though he is coming off an off-season injury so I’m siding with caution on expectations. Hiroki Kuroda had a solid first year in the majors though I don’t know if he will be as good as hitters might start figuring him out a bit better but hopefully his success continues. Randy Wolf is the only sure fire thing at this point. He is going to be very mediocre with around a 4.00-4.50 ERA but he will be a veteran presence and will give us some quality innings. Kershaw is the biggest X-factor and I think a lot of weight lies on his shoulders. He has the potential to be our version of Tim Lincecum. His rookie year numbers weren’t as good as Lincecum’s 2007 numbers, but they weren’t far off either. If he can live up to his potential, then the Dodgers rotation should be respectable enough. If not, then we have some problems. As for the 5th starter, that job is still open but I’m not expecting much out of whoever gets the job. Eric Stults….meh. Jason Schmidt…..? He is coming off basically a 2 year layoff due to injury and even before the injury he was already in decline. I think the Schmidt has hit the fan. If he can return to pre 2007 form then would be great. But that is doubtful.

So in summary. Dodgers + Manny = Best lineup in the NL West. Rotation is at most the 3rd best in the NL West behind you guys and the Giants. It might not even be as good as the Rockies. I still think it will be better than San Diego’s rotation because they got nothing outside of Peavy and Young and Young wasn’t even that good last year.

by Chzburger Jones on Feb 23, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No one

is going to argue that the Dodgers should have the best lineup in the NL West, or even a very good one. The problem here is the insistance that the Dodgers will have the best in the whole NL, no questions asked.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 23, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the 'Pit, Chz!!

So long as you’re going to be reasonable and respectful, we’ll have no problem with you coming around. We love having fans of other teams.

So in summary. Dodgers + Manny = Best lineup in the NL West. Rotation is at most the 3rd best in the NL West behind you guys and the Giants. It might not even be as good as the Rockies. I still think it will be better than San Diego’s rotation because they got nothing outside of Peavy and Young and Young wasn’t even that good last year.

I’d have to agree with your analysis as a whole — I don’t think anyone here thinks the Dodgers’ lineup isn’t the best in the West, and one of the better lineups in the NL. I think we take issue with raygu’s mindless homerism — in terms of, “THE DOGDERS HAVE THE BEST LINEUP IN THE NL AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”, as well as his blatant cheerleading for Los Angeles and his admission that he’s posting here because “it’s more fun than True Blue LA”.

I do think that despite your losses, you’ve still got the 3rd best rotation in the division. Maybe even 2nd in terms of top to bottom quality, but also maybe 4th in terms of quantity of innings likely to be pitched — so I’ll peg you at 3rd overall. (With apologies to my friends among the fine people of Purple Row)

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do think that despite your losses, you’ve still got the 3rd best rotation in the division. Maybe even 2nd in terms of top to bottom quality, but also maybe 4th in terms of quantity of innings likely to be pitched — so I’ll peg you at 3rd overall.

Well said

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

All you need to add is some playing time for Blake DeWitt and you might as well have an AL East lineup. How’s it feel to have that kind of unlimited power all in one place? That’s like 9 HOFers right there. (Of course, by “AL East lineup”, I meant the Orioles)

If the Dbacks had the kind of budget that Ned has to work with, we would have won the World Series last year. The only thing Ned Colletti has to do to compete is not be a total idiot. (Like, say, overpaying for Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones. Or something dumb like that. For example.)

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For example

or like giving Eric Byrnes a long term deal after his career year.
I didn’t say they were HOFers, although once Manny joins, they will have one….it is a talented lineup, no?
Better than say all the whiffs in the Dbacks lineup, for example.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Byrnes

didn’t give Eric Byrnes that contract. Jeff Moorad did, going over Byrnes’ head — and Moorad is now the owner of the Padres.

And I’d like to know where you get that any of those guys (before Manny) are any better than Justin Upton or Stephen Drew. As I said, laughable.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

really!!! should we compare stats? what has Upton done in the majors??

Upton-2008-15-42-1-.250-.353-.463
Drew-2008-21-67-.291-.333-.502
Kemp-2008-18-76-35-.290-.340-.459
Ethier-2008-20-77-.305-.375-.510
Martin-2008-13-69-18-.280-.385-.396

you’re right, laughable! you made my point for me.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure,

if you want to compare two 26 year olds and a 24 year old with a 21 year old, be my guest. The only person you’re embarrassing is yourself.

Thank God there are some Dodger fans smart enough to realize that Upton isn’t even CLOSE to where he’s gonna be. To quote your fellow fan Eric Stephen:

Aside from being terrified of Justin Upton exploding on the league this year…

You’re not going to find anyone, in the NL West or otherwise, “terrified” of Andre Ethier.

Drew is a 25 year old middle infielder, so a better comparison would be Orlando Hudson.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

on Upton….age is a factor….but has Kemp and Ethier reached their potential? I think not.
Eric has his own opinions…thats fine. I just don;t see that happening.
Time will tell with Ethier….SHANDLER projects 26-97 for Ethier in 09…not bad.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Hudson's

price was that discounted. He’s a multiple Gold Glove-winning second baseman who also hits near .300. I like getting the 17th overall pick from the Dodgers, especially because we’ve traded away or promoted to The Show most of what used to be the best farm system in MLB.

And as much as I hate to say it, if the Dodgers also get Manny then our only advantage will be in pitching. I love our depth 1-5 in the rotation and in the bullpen as well, providing that Rauch returns to his Nats form.

Arizona expatriate in Missouri

by Snakebitten on Feb 20, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sad

I never wanted to have to hate O-Dawg. But, being as he is a dodger, I now MUST hate him.

by Wactivist on Feb 20, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes. This.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly believe were still a better team...

So I like this move because of the draft pick. But if they sign Manny it’s allll over….

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Feb 20, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope,

their pitching still sucks — so I don’t find them too threatening.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You jerk!

Kidding of course, but come on, the pitching doesn’t suck. Certainly not as good as last years, and the D-Backs pitching is better, but it should at least be decent. The rotation is solid, and Broxton and Kuo are lights out at the end of the game.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 20, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't agree

Bablue, I find your opinion almost always sensible, but here you are wrong.

It’s not about decent pitching…you’ve got good arms peppered throughout the rotation and bullpen, but the innings are a REAL problem. Short innings from starters will tax the pen. The further into the season you go, the less reliable those arms will be. When you guys did not get CC or resign Lowe this off-season, I breathed a huge sigh of relief.

At least, that’s what I asked Jobu for when I lit his cigar and filled his rum glass.

by Counsellmember on Feb 21, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

but I think the quality of some of the pitchers offsets that somewhat. I really think it will depend on the health of the starters the most, specifically Billingsley, Kershaw, and Wolf. If the Verducci Effect really haunts Billingsley, and one of Wolf or Kershaw misses serious time (Wolf because of past history, Kershaw because of age) then we are in serious trouble. But like I said to Jim and ‘Skins a week or so ago, I think pitcher volatility is underestimated. If either Webb or Haren doesn’t stay healthy like they did last year…

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except

that neither Webb nor Haren have any significant history of injuries…

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

which does not mean they won’t get injured in the future.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True,

but it does make it unlikely.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally, you'll recall

(or maybe you won’t) that it was an injury to one of our original Big Two that led to Brandon Webb being called up in 2003.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know that

but I just think its always possible, no matter how healthy the pitcher has been. Pitching is very risky, if thats the right way to put it.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shhh

Don’t say stuff like that too loud

by AF DBacks Fanatic on Feb 21, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deal Details on MLB.com

link

The deal is worth $3.4 million with another $4.6 million in possible incentives.

The three-time Gold Glove and 2007 All-Star will take over the position from the retired Jeff Kent. Hudson had originally sought a multiyear deal at $10 million annually, but the free-agent market crashed, and he slashed his asking price. The deal came together quickly after it was reported that the Dodgers had also begun talks with another free-agent infielder, Orlando Cabrera.

Damn … I guess the incentives again screw us over some. I don’t care as much for the great draft pick … I’d much rather have a team that can win before we lose Webby, and if O-Dawg was there for cheap …

by Wactivist on Feb 20, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

crap here is the link

by Wactivist on Feb 20, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Confiemd on the 4 Letter

Althought it might be worth 3.8 base, according to them. They had conflicting info.

by Captain D Bag on Feb 20, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O-Dawg walked

away from a better Arizona offer to extend in 2008. There was no pot of gold at the end of the free agent rainbow this year.

by TAP on Feb 20, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindsight is 20-20.

A lot of players walked away from much better deals and settled for A LOT less because they had to. Nobody foresaw this economic crash of sorts.

by Chzburger Jones on Feb 23, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Webb

I can see the Dbacks dealing him if they can’t sign him LT….he will want close to CC money, no? Do you see Byrnes giving him that kind of money?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

If the Dodgers had spent that $8m on pitching, I’d be more concerned about them. Hudson must be kicking himself he didn’t come to terms with the D-backs last season. What was it they offered? $25m/3 and no incentives?

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 20, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

meh??

the LA lineup will be the best in the NL top to bottom once Manny signs…unlike the the strikeout happy Dbacks, Jim.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again --

calling the Dodgers’ lineup “the best in the NL” smacks of extreme homerism. I recommend you look outside the three California NL teams before you make that statement.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone

knows that the Dodgers obviously are the greatest thing since the 1927 Murderer’s Row.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better in fact.

Don’t you know, James Loney is going to break the homerun record this year…. the career homerun record…. take that Barry Bonds!! ;-)

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

he may already have the career HR record for guy named Loney. Kinda like how Sailor Moon already has the career HR record for guys named Khalil.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh guaranteed

Greatest Loney of All-Time???

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

G.L.O.A.T.?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Note: This does not represent the opinion of all Dodger fans.

Although our lineup should be much improved, with much less Pierre, Andruw, Berroa, and rest f the fill-ins in the infield.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean some Dodger fans

actually know what they’re talking about??

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

At least, that’s the rumor going around.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who

then? Cubs,Philliies?? maybe…I;’ll give you that. But this LA lineup is much improved compared to previous years, plus the young guys should continue to improve at the plate….

But then again, you guys are the smartest guys on this blog…..

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are

absolutely crazy if you think the Dodgers have a better lineup than the Cubs, the Phillies, the Mets, or even the Marlins.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mets- Marlins??

the Mets with a platoon in LF, and Church in right, with Schneider at catcher, and Castillo at 2b???
Marlins-Maybin in CF, rookie Sanchez at 1b, Baker at C, Hermida in RF, Ross in LF?
Do they really have a better lineup??

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

if you look at the numbers, then yes. There are quite a few teams better last year than the Dodgers. I will, however, agree that with Manny the Dodgers have a pretty damn fine lineup.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 22, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I would pencil in for the Dodgers assuming they sign Manny

1) Furcal
2) Hudson
3) Ramirez
4) Loney
5) Blake
6) Ethier
7) Martin
8) Kemp

When your 8 hitter can hit around .300 with 20 homers and 30+ stolen bases, then that is a pretty decent lineup IMO. There is no glaring weakness in that lineup at all and you got ManRam right there in the middle.

This lineup that I just posted isn’t that far off the Cubs, the Phillies, or the Mets. It might even be better than at least one of those.

by Chzburger Jones on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All this, of course,

is dependent on the Dodgers’ (likely) resigning of Manny. It’s nice to have DeWitt as a credible backup in case of injury.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Improved is one thing

It doesn’t equal “best in the NL”, though.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs, Phillies,

Mets, Brewers, maybe even the Cardinals.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brewers and Cards?

the Brewers are almost a mirror image of the Dbacks with all the whiffs in the lineup, but they are solid.
Cardinals-Pujols and Ludwick….and who?? Ankiel??

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bye-bye O-Dawg

I think it’s unfortunate that a good guy (to the extent of my knowledge) like Orlando Hudson totally overestimates his market value, and gets finally signed by the Dodgers when he should have re-signed with the D-Backs. While I think Hudson is a good second baseman, but $10 million a year is ridiculously high.

If I was Josh Byrnes, I would have offered Hudson a 2 year /$11 million deal after the year, but I think that we got a steal in Felipe Lopez. Lopez is similar to Hudson with the bat, and though he isn’t as good in the field, the first round pick from our division rivals should make up for the fact.

by LucaMaz3 on Feb 20, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The sad part:

Winners:
Felipe Lopez
The Los Angeles Dodgers

Losers:
Orlando Hudson
The Arizona Diamondbacks

Love… Love will tear us apart again…

by dahlian on Feb 20, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

Replacing Jeff Kent with Orlando Hudson — OPS+ of 119, 121, and 95 over the past 3 yrs with an OPS+ of 102, 106, and 108 over the past 3. Improvement over last year, but O-Dawg has to be peaking as a hitter right now.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I think I’m more concerned about Manny. On the other hand, I’m glad to see our 2009 draft bonanza didn’t dry up completely.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 20, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

On the list of stuff that doesn’t totally suck, we should include the fact that Dunnkey Kong signed with the Nats, so we wouldn’t have gotten their 1st round pick anyway. (It’s protected)

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pffft

What’re the Nats gonna do with a draft pick? For their own safety, they should ship it to the D-Backs right away.

Gotta give some grudging props to the FO for that one. When they let Dunn go w/o arbitration, I was furious. Whaddya know? Turns out the baseball people knew more about the whole thing than some crank from Gilbert. Keep it up, people!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 20, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think there's no way Dunn would've accepted arbitration

I think it was a big mistake by the D-Backs FO not to offer it. It wasn’t clear then how much contracts would be effected by the economy.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point

And I was SURE that it was true when they decided not to offer arbitration to Dunn. Now I’m not as sure, but I can still understand the argument.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 21, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree completely

Right on, Blue. No way he accepts way back in November (I think that’s when the dealine was). Big mistake.

by Counsellmember on Feb 21, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember

pretty substantial murmurings about the free agent class of 2008. Even back in November, teams were talking about “hard times” and the poor free agent market. Of course, this may just have been spin by the D-Back’s front office. Or possibly my own razor-keen hindsight. But looking back, I think there was enough concern that Dunn would accept arbitration and wait until next year to explain the FO’s decision, even if you (and I, at the time) didn’t agree with it. I think that it’s murky, but I’m willing to cut the FO a lot more slack than I was back in November.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 21, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There were murmurings

But I think most people thought it would knock a guy like Dunn down from a 6/90 deal to 4/60 or something like that, not 2/20. I don’t think many people expected this much of drop in salaries, most of all Dunn himself.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he had a smart agent,

he would have accepted — arbitration is only valid for a single year.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why would he accept arbitration if he thought he could get 4/60, or at least 4/40.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because

I think a smart agent would have recognized that arbitration would have been based, mostly, on past years’ contract numbers, and arbiters tend to be swayed easily by things like home runs. OTOH, a lot of baseball people seem to have problems with Dunn — I honestly don’t understand why. Maybe it’s partly because of the stuff that idiot Ricciardi said, but that would have affected his free agent chances — not his arbitration status.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a great player

for certain things, but he doesn’t fit into every situation.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true.

Which is why I think it would have been a much better deal for him to accept arbitration than reject it and go out to sign a FA contract.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgive me if I'm wrong,

..and I probably may be on this one!

Reading about Hudson signing for the Dodgers there was some talk of the Royals making room for Hudson by not signing Tehan (or was it Mark Jacobs) arbitration based contract. The reason they could do this was becuase arbitrated contracts are non garenteed or so the article suggested.

Am I right in thinking we could have done the same for Dunn? Or am I talking complete and utter nonsense :D

Anybody want to give me a job? :)

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by Wimb on Feb 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From what I can see

This article may have been talking about the same thing.

Generally, players who don’t yet have the six years of service time needed to qualify for free agency have non-guaranteed contracts. Teams are obligated for only about one-sixth of the contract’s value if the player is cut by March 18 or roughly one-fourth if he is cut by April 1.The Royals have two obvious candidates if they want to create financial space: Mark Teahen and John Buck. Both currently project as backups. Teahen’s release would free up nearly $3 million; cutting Buck would generate more than $2.4 million. Neither move appears likely.

Adam Dunn, however, already HAS those six years. The free-agent arbitration he was not offered, is different, and would have been binding. We would have been able to cut and run on the contracts to our younger players like Conor Jackson, but in all those cases, replacing the production with anyone else would have been much more expensive.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 21, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Jim!

Good piece of info :)

Anybody want to give me a job? :)

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by Wimb on Feb 21, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's right

Because Varitek said the reason that he didn’t accept arbitration with the Red Sox was because the contract wasn’t guaranteed, and obviously he has more than six years of service. But I think in order to cut a player he must be unable to make the 25 man roster because of ability, not contract. So for all intents and purposes Dunn’s contract would be guaranteed, because obviously he will be good enough to make the team.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2009 draft

you may need it

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our home-grown trash talk

is so much better than this.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 21, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trash-talking the 'Pit:

Better bring your A game.

If you have one.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of true though

Your farm system is really thin right now (for good reason). Of course, so is ours.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better to grow your team organically,

compete with a thin system and wait for more guys to come through, than be in eternally rebuilding mode like the A’s.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they'll be really good

by 2011 or so. They could even win the AL West this year if things break right. But yeah, rooting for a team that operates like that would be kind of maddening. Kind of like having to deal with Colletti as your team’s GM…

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But

didn’t you read raygu’s post?? Ned had a solid offseason!!!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't

compete with the smartest guys on the blog….you guys are waayyy too good…..
Tell me how Ned has had a BAD offseason?? not re-signing Lowe?? He didn;‘t want to come to LA in the first place, but Boras placed him there because LA outbid everyone 4 years ago.
CC-come on, do you really think the Yankees weren’t going to get him?? do you really think he was going to pitch closer to home.
The fact that Ned rid the 25 man roster of Andruw Jones is an achievement. Now if only he could get rid of Pierre…not sure why the Braves wouldn’t want him after looking at their OF situation.
The Hudson signing gives LA one of the better MI in the NL…..oh wait, maybe the Dbacks have a better MI….Drew and…….and…….
I do like Drew…..he hasn’t reached his peak yet.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers

are still paying Jones $Texas and you think that’s an achievement? Fracturing the pitching, which was the Dodgers strength last year, is an achievement?

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

Spring Training has already started, and he hasn’t resigned the one piece that everyone sees as key to the Dodgers season?

And dumping Jones isn’t an achievement- it’s something to be ashamed over.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How Ned has had a BAD offseason

By singularly failing to address the biggest hole: pitching. Even the LA Times says, “Team’s pitching appears to be much weaker.”

Who’s gone: P Derek Lowe, P Takashi Saito, P Brad Penny, P Greg Maddux, P Chan Ho Park, P Joe Beimel, P Scott Proctor, P Jason Johnson.

Yeah. When your biggest pitching acquisition to replace all those names is Randy Wolf…sounds like a bad off-season to me. Saito alone has been the second-best reliever in all baseball the past two years, with an ERA+ of 242. Replacing him with Guillermo Mota – ERA+ 87 – is truly a brilliant move, which can only be applauded.

By us in Arizona, certainly.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 21, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LA bullpen

is still solid even after losing Saito. If it wasn’t for Saito getting hurt, we wouldn’t have realized the potential of Kuo. McDonald replaces Park. McDonald-Wade-Kuo and Broxton is still pretty solid.
THe rotation right now is not as good, but replacing what Penny and Maddux-really can’t beleive you even included him since he pitched….what…one month in LA-won’t be as hard as you think. What did Penny provide LA last year-a 6.00+ ERA….shouldn’t be too hard to replace.
Lowe will be difficult to replace, but have confidence Colletti can trade for an ace by July.
Mota will not pitch in high pressure situations, in my opinion….he doesn’t replace Saito…Broxton does, and Kuo replaces Broxton…but we already knew that from last year, didn’t we?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, as a Dodgers fan..

That Guillermo Mota signing still puzzles me. The Dodgers eventually screwed themselves over last year because their bullpen was too good. Nobody wants to sign these type A relievers because of draft picks.

by Chzburger Jones on Feb 23, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridding the 25 man roster of Andruw Jones

isn’t an achievement. It’s embarrassing — and the only reason Ned was able to do that is because he has unlimited cash to work with — he can just buy out his massive mistakes.

I didn’t say anything about CC, but you guys had the best ERA+ in the NL last year, and now you’re depending on Jason Schmidt, an import from Japan, and a bunch of kids to carry you to the playoffs. The two guys who have been your aces over the past few years — Lowe and Penny — are both gone, as is most of your formerly-impressive bullpen. You didn’t have to sign CC, just not completely blow it.

But Randy Wolf? Jeez. See, now I’m scared. You guys got Randy Wolf.

Oh, and perhaps the Braves wouldn’t want Pierre because he sucks??

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LA rotation

the import from Japan-Kuroda pitched pretty well in 2008, especially in the playoffs…so no worries there.
The kids you speak of-Billingsley and Kershaw-pitched well down the stretch-Kershaw was 3-0 in September in crunch time.
Penny did NOTHING for LA in 2008-a 6.00+ ERA….is easily replaced.
Lowe is a different story.
Pierre is better than most ATL OFers….

How do you like replacing the Unit with Jon Garland. And Arizona has this kid named Sherzer….he currently has some shoulder issues.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

we have a kid named “Scherzer”, who projects to be as good as Timcecum. We replaced Randy Johnson and Yusmeiro Petit with Max Scherzer and Jon Garland. That’s an upgrade at each spot.

You replaced Derek Lowe with…. Randy Wolf.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, 'Skins

I recall foulpole being pretty big on this Wolf guy all last year, an-

Wait, never mind.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lowe

was replaced by Billz as the staff #1….which he was last year….but not in the rotation slot.
Wolf replaces Penny…..which we all know Penny was horrific last year, so Wolf should do fine replacing Penny.
Scherzer is an upgrade over Johnson? Scherzer=Lincecum?? I will put money that that won’t happen….can I get odds in Vegas??
So that means, since Kershaw>Scherzer, Kershaw>Lincecum?? I think not.
oh…and Kershaw is younger than Scherzer also…keep that in mind.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok well I 'm going to have to disagree with most everyone else here

and agree with you. Ned has had a solid offseason THIS YEAR (ie: not counting the ridiculous mistakes like Andruw, Pierre, etc.). If you look at what a lot of Dodger fans thought our team would look like this year, the offseason so far was pretty much best case scenario. A lot of people thougt we would only sign on starting infielder, not three (although Casey Blake’s contract doesn’t look so good in light of recent deals). And many people thought we wouldn’t be able to afford Manny or CC, but it appears we will sign Manny.

I don’t think its fair to criticize Ned too much about the pitching. Lowe and Pettitte didn’t want to come here, Sheets is hurt, and the relationship with Penny was burned. Unless we were going to go all in on CC (outbid the Yankees), who else were we going to get? The only other options are trade a bunch of young guys for Peavy or overpay for AJ Burnett, neither of which is too appealing. Now, I would maybe have payed a couple million extra for Hoffman/Affeldt instead of Mota, but thats not too big of a deal. But I think did Ned fine here.

If we get Manny, which seems mostly a foregone conclusion at this point, I think Ned’s done a pretty solid job. The decline in pitching is made up for by the big increase in offense. Was it possible for Ned to do better, yes, but he also could have done a whole lot worse.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that the perpetual state for the As, though?

They’ll be good in about two seasons? And I’m not sure winning the AL West is much of a prize- it’s like winning the NL West, geez! =)

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

the made the playoffs from like 2000-2006 didn’t they?

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Yeah?

Well, your team is so ugly they rub tree branches on their faces to make ugly sticks!
Take that ;)

by Counsellmember on Feb 21, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Their

so ugly they make their moms look good.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sick burn, man

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except

that I mixed up my “their/they’re.”

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Normally,

I’d point that out, but you were making fun of the Doggers, so

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

the problem was I was going to say “Their team” and then I though maybe I should go with “They team” and then I was like no, I’ll go with “Their team” and then I ended up with “their” and now I’m embarrassed.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just assumed it was intentional

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt

dogger trolls would even notice.

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 21, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I

was going to pass it off as intentional, but I figured I’d better fess up.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 22, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shoulda laid low

I would have sided with you.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

once again.....

……..weak

"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"

by sergey606 on Feb 21, 2009 5:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Best offense in the NL?

Not according to the neutral source of Baseball Prospectus. Figures not park adjusted, but here are the runs they predict will be scored by each team

  1. Chicago Cubs – 877
  2. Colorado Rockies – 849
  3. Philadelphia Phillies – 836
  4. New York Mets – 830
  5. Arizona Diamondbacks – 828
  6. Milwaukee Brewers – 827
  7. Washington Nationals – 815
  8. Atlanta Braves – 812
  9. Los Angeles Dodgers – 795

Now, this was before Hudson, but how much of an upgrade in runs produced will he be over DeWitt? And then there’s Manny. Well, between if you get Manny, and an even BIGGER if, if he is happy and productive – which seems unlikely, since Manny is not going to get what Manny wanted this season. Seems the question “is there a better lineup in the NL?” can only be deemed a) rhetorical, the answer being “quite a few”, and b) highly amusing.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 21, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

does Manny signing with the Dodgers at a “reduced” price really mean an unhappy Manny? He was going through his normal act with Boston to get traded, and then magically got better in preparation of the offseason. If he signs a one year deal, though, he can’t afford to screw around because he’ll still be looking for that last big payday.

Of course, this assumes that Manny isn’t going to be Manny, which he is.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 21, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My instinct is

Manny thinks he was worth about $100m and a long-term deal, and had no qualms about expressing it. Anything less than that – even if entirely justified by the economic circumstances – is going to be a loss of face at the very least.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 21, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny

will more than likely get a 3 yr deal for BIG money with an out clause…..he WILL be happy…..Dodgers fans will be happy….but Dbacks fans won’t

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still trying to convince yourself of that?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 21, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nahhh

pretty certain he will sign….
what makes you think he won’t???

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because he HASN'T yet

and you just dropped cash on O-Dawg.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

There’s really been no sign at all that the Dodgers have offered Manny a three year deal for any amount of cash, so that bit of it exists solely in rayguland.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but

they have offered a 1 yr and 2 yr deal., so what do you think comes next? it’s pretty simple when you think about it.
DbacksSkins….Manny will sign in LA…..but you can keep telling yourself he won’t, and the cash dropped on O-dog was pretty thrifty-just ask Keith Law over at ESPN

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh, good point

Actually, Manny’d be smart to turn down the three year deal, and the next few offers, until they inevitably offer him a ten year contract. I mean, that’s what comes next, right?

Look at the progression- they offered him a two year deal. Then they offered him a one year deal. If they’re going by a pattern? The next step is not to make an offer at all.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let's talk reality

Kishi….do you really think he will get a 10 yr deal? so why even waste the time to type it?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's hyperbole

I was carrying out your train of thought to an extreme, yet consistent, example, in order to use exaggeration to illustrate the foolishness behind it.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AND

I was just expressing my opinion that Manny will get a 3 year deal….

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And?

I was just expressing that said opinion has little factual evidence to back it up, as of this moment.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even at his worst,

Manny’s still a scary hitter. I’m looking at his career stats right now, and in the last 10 years his worst OPS+ was still 126. I don’t know exactly how he was feeling towards the Red Sox in 2007 (his 126 OPS+ year), but I’m guessing it was pretty rancorous. Maybe he’ll go into this season even angrier, but I’d still rather he played somewhere other than the Dodgers.

Manny, I know you’re disappointed with your job offers this year. Maybe it’s time you taught everyone a lesson by staying out of baseball and hosting your own reality show. Yeah. That’d show ’em!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 21, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree we won't have the best lineup in the NL (at least on paper)

I don’t see why you think its unlikely he’ll be productive. Even when he was playing his way out of Boston, Manny crushed the ball. He had a .930 OPS in June and 1.060 OPS in July, so I think his reputation of not playing hard is overblown. Quite frankly, I would be shocked if he didn’t produce next year. Three or four years from now, then maybe he won’t be a dangerous hitter anymore.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 21, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim

I guess you are choosing the worst case scenario when it comes to MANNY, but that’s fine, I wouldn’t expect anything else. What’s “highly amusing” is that the Dbacks are prjected to score more runs than LA….seems they will be changing that projection real soon, but you can hang your hat on it if you wish.
I can make a case that the Cubs and Rockies lineups are worse than last year…..and the Mets are playing in a new ballpark, that appears, on paper, to be an extreme pitchers park. It is the 2nd biggest ballpark in the majors behind Coors Field, with 15-16 ft walls in the OF….so we may see a decline in runs scored by the Mets.
I can;t beleive the Nats and Braves are ahead of LA.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is the 2nd biggest ballpark in the majors behind Coors Field

Because we all know what an “extreme pitchers’ park” Coors Field is…

I can;t beleive the Nats and Braves are ahead of LA.

That’s why everyone’s laughing at you. You don’t really have any idea what you’re talking about.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, raygu

You do realize there’s a Dodgers blog on SBN where, I’m sure, other people would possibly be agreeing with you on this stuff, instead of doing their best to point out where you’re wrong, yeah?

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fully aware

of teh TrueBlue site……but this is more fun

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes you

what we call a troll — just take that into advisement.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much what I was thinking

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

starting early

this season, aren’t they?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 21, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

troll

I dont think I have been obnoxious or using foul language….just giving my opinion…and you are giving yours? so are you a troll also??

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

its only ok for Dback fans to argue with each other? no counter-points or offering differing opinions.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, not at all

But you are thinking this is the dodger site and that couldn’t be more wrong. If I want to read a dodger fans constant cheer-leading, I’ll go over to the dodgers MLB board. Even on TruBlue, I don’t see the cheer leading I see here from you.

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

??

no, i know this is a Dbacks site….fully aware…

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We're aware.

You already pointed out that that’s the reason you’re posting here.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to debate,

that’s fine, but you’re not. You claim that it’s “more fun” here, because you can achieve the goal of pissing off Dbacks fans, (whereas people might agree with you at True Blue LA) not to mention writing comments like:

2009 draft
you may need it

if you feel the need to talk trash at the blog of another team in your division, and people aren’t responding positively, and you don’t, for example, have any significant history of reading and posting at this site before this thread — you might just be a troll. And trolling is very dangerous to your prospects of posting here.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

troll

I was stating my opinions…you say it was talking trash…..what is wrong with a baseball argument….tis waht makes the game great, no?
who cares if I haven’t posted much before….

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't we

have one of these dodger lovers last season?

i love this site, but it’s getting to the point where i’m ignoring posts like i ignored foulpole. i’m all for intelligent discourse and fact based baseball arguments…not dodger cheerleading.

in other news, it looks like dodger fans are still on their knees for manny.

my $0.03 until spring training starts. continue.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 22, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny

Needs LA as much as LA needs him, no?
does dodger cheerleading = disagreeing with dback fans?? what’s wrong with that?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

If Manny needed LA as much as LA needed him, he’d already have signed. LA can only hope that Manny needs their money as much as they need him.

And, again, this is a Diamondbacks site. There’s places for Dodgers cheerleading elsewhere.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is our site?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She speaks!!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I know you missed me.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 22, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I missed you that much,

I’d just talk to you on Facebook. Wait…

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hah.

I knew it.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 22, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Phil

I was going to say something very similar to this.

Glad to know the hivemind is still working.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The PIT...

…are one!!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm giving my opinion

on a Diamondbacks website. You’re presenting idiotic pro-Dodger propaganda on a Diamondbacks site with the express and admitted goal of pissing us off. You’re not interested in simply debating, or else you wouldn’t be taking this tact. You don’t have to use “foul language” to be a troll — and I think that I wouldn’t be the only one to disagree that you haven’t “been obnoxious”.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dbacks

seriously?? you are the one throwing out the “laughable” and “idiotic” comments in your posts, when responding to my posts….not the other way around.
Becasue I disagree with you I am pissing you off? You are not pissing me off….so, why can’t you just handle someone disagreeing with you?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because

in the end, who really cares? This is the site for the Diamondbacks. If I want detailed analysis of a team I don’t care about, I’ll go visit the sister site for the dodgers or gnats, or the orks

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DBACKS

the more you write, the less sense you make. Everyone knows Coors Field is at altitude, and Citifield is not…there is a difference. And to back me up, I would check out The Hardball Times Annual for Greg Rybarczyk’S article called Hit Tracker 2008…..I will see if I can find it on the net.
You just keep believing everything BP spews…..the Nats and Braves better than LA….LOL

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more on Citifield

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/7/711009/citi-field-where-homeruns

As it happens, I was thumbing through my Hardball Times Annual 2009 on Monday and took to reading an article by Greg Rybarczyk of Hit Tracker, the primary gist of which was to recap the 2008 season with respect to the homeruns that were hit. Tucked away at the tail end of the article was a bit about Citi Field, which I’ll excerpt below:

Citi Field, the new ballpark for the New York Mets, is poised to become MLB’s new Grand Canyon. City Field is a vast, cool weather, sea-level stadium, and those factors will have a hugely negative impact on home runs.

snip

Johan Santana and the rest of the Mets pitching staff will like the new park, but the Mets’ front office should sign their power hitters now, before the word gets out. In spring 2009, baseball fans are going to get a live demonstration of what happens when a team sets out to design a pitcher’s park, and overdoes it.

Eric Simon’s interview with Greg is in the above link

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

An unhappy Manny

will still hit .295 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs.

by Chzburger Jones on Feb 23, 2009 4:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming

he comes to work, that is.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at this situation

And remembering how we were wondering about O-Dawg’s defense last year, I’m okay with it.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm strangely

okay with it, too — O-Dawg is more reputation than anything else.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come to think of it,

he’s a typical Ned Colletti signing.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Colletti spends his money….Byrnes….not so much

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 21, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're totally right

If only Byrnes would learn a lesson from Coletti. So much more efficient to pay one guy a big chunk of money than to spread it out among several players.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

will you say the same thing when Webb gets a big deal from Byrnes?? doesnt he want CC money.
My opinion, they deal Webb before he becomes a FA/

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wishing again

just like that wish for Manny?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not really

I am pretty confident Manny will be playing LF in LA…..but what about the BIG contract WEBB wants?? will Byrnes give it to him?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was that the topic?

No, it certainly wasn’t. Huh.

I’ll be thrilled if Webby gets a big contract- dude’s earned it- but I’m also reasonably sure that it’ll be a reward for both past effort and future potential. Whereas Orlando Hudson? I think he’s getting paid for past performance, and his future is about skills that won’t live up to his reputation.

Which, yeah, sounds like some other contracts the Dodgers have on the books.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If only Byrnes

would learn to pay a guy tens of millions of dollars, only to option him down to Triple-A and subsequently buy out said contract the next offseason and waste said tens of millions.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes

only makes good contract decisions??? I’ll have to look into that///but the Eric Byrnes deal come to mind…don’t care who made it Moorad or Byrnes….he’s still a Dback.
re: AJones…all that and we still won the division, so what’s really the point? how much mioney he wasted? or if he put together a playoff team?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You’re going to blame someone for something that they explicitly didn’t have anything to do with, for something that occurred against their will?

And if it weren’t for Manny’s tantrum in Boston last year, the Dodgers wouldn’t have made the playoffs at all, so I wouldn’t necessarily give Colletti all that much credit for that.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could take a steaming dump

that could put together a division-winning team with the budget Colletti has to work with.

Heck, even foulpole could put together a team that would win the NL West with that kind of money to work with.

The fact that you don’t see any distinction betwen “rich” and “smart” reflects more on you than anyone else.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of smart

Quentin for Crhis Carter…how’d that work out? not too smart….
if…if…if…..Colletti still pulled off one of the best deadline deals ever by getting Manny….Boston has been trying to deal him for years….Colletti was the only one to make it happen. Give him credit for that deal.
I can remember when the Dbacks spent heavily, but that was ok, right? not ok for Colletti. I see where this is going,

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

I’ll give credit to Colletti that he got as much out of Boston as he could manage- well played there. But to act like it was some act of managerial brilliance to pull a player who had worn out every single ounce of welcome that the town of Boston had for him? Come on.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kishi

most baseball writers have said teh same about the trade….good enough for you?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So

raygu apparently trusts “most (read: unnamed) baseball writers”, but not Baseball Prospectus.

Okay.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dbacks

was teh Manny trade a good deal or a bad deal?

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dbacks

Is raygu intentionally or unintentionally missing the point?

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what point

my point was the Manny deal was one of the best deadlines deals ever…and stated that many baseball writers were of teh same opinion. I also stated I disagreed with BP’s analysis of runs scored…what did I miss?
I am stating my opinions…..maybe BP will be right….so what

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No one's said it was a bad trade for the Dodgers

However, getting the Red Sox to trade Manny was like getting a man on fire to jump into a lake- they were looking for anywhere to dump him. I wouldn’t grant Colletti Mensa membership for that trade, especially when there’s plenty of other examples of mistakes he’s made.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It is hard to argue with such vague validation as that.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vague

Olney, Gammons, Neyer….KLaw…..naw….not too vague now.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I assumed

you read something other than this site

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who said

it was “ok” when the Dbacks spent heavily?? We’re a mid-market team — it put is deeply in debt. If you paid any attention at all to Dbacks history, you’d KNOW that.

And bringing up Carlos Quentin is a bannable offense — Dodger fan or not.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When you spend all your time

on a site called “Fake Teams”, is it any wonder why he has no grasp on reality?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point...

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of reality

yes…I do write for faketeams.com….a site for roto/fantasy players…..and your point is?
the reality is, with Manny, the Dodgers will be the favorite in the West whether you want to beleive it or not. The lineup will be one of the best in the NL.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no, it

won’t.

Having you repeat that like a parrot doesn’t make it any more true at 1026 times than it did the first time.

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Using your own stupid standard of "most sports writers",

no, the Dbacks are still the favorite in the West.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 22, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DBACKSSKINS

lmao…..keep dreaming

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HAM

fwappo

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 22, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

look who's

hallucinating….

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's okay.

I’m not convinced the poor guy can actually read, so it may be that he’s just unaware.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most neutral sources

Don’t appear to agree. Baseball Prospectus – with stats updated to include the arrival of Hudson – still has us favored to win the division by five games. If you get Ramirez, and if he is productive – both of which are not certain – do you really think he’s going to add more than that to the team? His average over the past four years is only 3.9 wins, and he’s be 37 in May, so decline seems more likely than resurgence.

The average projection has him at a .941 OPS for 2009. That’s 291 points less than he hit for LA in that fragment of 2008. He’ll help, certainly – but, as noted, it’s not your offense that’s in most need of assistance.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 22, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim

why would you think Manny may not be productive?? Doesn’t a .941 OPS contradict your assertion in the first paragraph?
I think his presence in the lineup will benefit others in the lineup, like Ethier and Kemp. I wonder if BPs estimates consider growth in the performance of the likes of Kemp, Ethier, Loney and Martin? From the PECOTA projections for each, and even Manny and Furcal, they appear low to me.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends what you're expecting

As noted, even a .941 would be a MASSIVE drop in production from what he gave the Dodgers in 2008 – and LA only had something like a 30-24 record with Ramirez producing at a 1.232 clip.

There’s also the question of whether he will be happy having to accept a one-year deal, probably for less money than he feels he’s worth. And if he’s not, the impact he’ll have on the other players will not be a positive one. Of course, he may prove to surpass expectations, but that’s far from the sure thing you seem to expect.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 22, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny

did anyone expect Manny to duplicate his performance in Aug-Sept of 2008 for the whole 2009 season? I don’t think so. But, looking at the projected lineup-with MAnny- starting the 2009 season, it is MUCH better than the lineup that started in 2008. Factor in a full season from Furcal and Blake, and Manny, and Hudson, and better performances from the core youngsters, and this team will score alot of runs in 2009…..and they may need it with the rotation they have right now.
But that is not to say Colletti won’t go out and get an ace come the trade deadline….I think he will get on before the trade deadline.

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 22, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But that is not to say Colletti won’t go out and get an ace come the trade deadline….I think he will get on before the trade deadline.

You keep predicating every prediction on this dubious “trade for an ace”. Sure, and I suppose the Dbacks could trade for Alex Rodriguez tomorrow and win the division by a million games.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We also didn't have Hudson or Furcal

when we went 30-24. Furcal over Berroa in particular is a huge difference.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at this

I just saw this for the first time at True Blue LA today, and I don’t know its validity, but maybe Manny is just the perfect hitter for Dodger Stadium?

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/02/2009_projection.php

Note: No, I’m not saying he’ll be as good as he was last year with the Dodgers. But this should help him be better than he was in Boston, assuming his skills don’t severely decline.

But I don’t think it matters which part of our team “needs help”. A win is a win no matter where you upgrade. If signing Manny gets us 4 extra wins by replacing Pierre then its the same as signing Lowe and getting 4 extra wins by replacing Stults, no matter which part of our team is weaker.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Extra wins, sure

But if your team scores ten runs per game, then scoring an eleventh won’t help you win many more games, because that final run is relatively unimportant after the first ten. Going from five to four runs conceded per gave [or even five to 4.5, the same percentage change], will be a much better help to your chances of victory.

Basically, whatever you sign Manny for, the money would have been better spent on the pitching staff. You already have a decent lineup: adding him to it won’t help your chances of victory as much as adding a top-tier starter would.

Fortunately, it appears the Dodgers’ owners are unclear on this concept. :-)

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone expect that?

Yeah, a lot of Dodgers fans do.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 22, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey now

I won’t get into this debate but I don’t think many Dodger fans are that dunb.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now

I won’t get involved in this “debate”, but Dodger fans aren’t that dumb.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying all of them are

But a lot of them, I’d say yeah. They’re the equivalent of the Diamondbacks fans who were all hyped up about signing Eric Byrnes to an extension.

Stupidity isn’t limited to any single fanbase.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupidity isn’t limited to any single fanbase.

Cubs?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They're everywhere

Every team has them.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, obviously.

But the Cubs come pretty close.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Red Sux?

or yankees lite.

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

those teams probably get more because its easy for a casual fan to follow them on ESPN, seeing as how they take up about half of the baseball coverage. People are familiar A-Rod and Jeter and thats about all they know, whereas you won’t get the same kind of reaction to Stephen Drew and Brandon Webb, for example.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupidity is pretty evenly spread among fanbases

at least in my experience. But I don’t think any but the most unrealistic fans expect him to hit .400 over a whole season or something like that.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

raygu?

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 23, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

although he says he doesn’t expect that kind of production.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's how you look at it, and phrase it

If you were to ask a bunch of fans, “Do you think Manny’ll hit .400 this year?” I’m sure you’d get a lot of, “No, that’d be insane.” If you were to ask a bunch of fans, “Do you think Manny’ll do as well as he did for the Dodgers last year?” I’m sure you’d get a much more positive response. While some fans are more into the stats- and more likely to comment on the sport online- a larger portion of the fans of any team are more casual followers, and base their attitude and expectations more on perception. Most fans probably couldn’t tell you what Manny hit last year, just that he kicked ass after the trade, and they expect more of the same this season.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would be interesting to see what happens

if Manny were to get off to a slow start.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

Although I think he will kick ass, to some extent. I think he’s still got a lot left hitting-wise and being in the NL will help to hide some decline.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats!!

Well done!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Only 29,000 more until I catch you!!! Of course by then you’ll probably have 30,000 more!!! ;-)

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Errr.....

yeah, somethin like that. :-\

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously though

how’d you get 30,000 comments?

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

::shrug::

Ask someone else?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant,

ask some other Snakepitters, since the vast majority of my comments (26,000+) have been posted at this site.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He posts constantly

and often after the fact.

Also, starts completely random conversations that have nothing to do with anything.

I don’t recommend this method.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 23, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

That’s some tough love right there

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See

what I have to deal with?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Poor guy

should have been a Dodger fan. We take care of our own.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

However

Such comments do allow you to respond with wounded indignation, and further continue your streak.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

and there’s the rub!

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 23, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

It’s pretty much a vicious cycle.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wounded indignation

because he got told.

By a girl. OHHHHH what now?!

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 23, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're

so proud of yourself, aren’t you??

Never worked last year, with you and Jenny ganging up on me..

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone plans for 30000 comments

You just sit back, talk a lot, and one day wonder “Where did all these come from?”

At least, that what happened to me, even though I’m only ~12k. I wonder how many comments I lost back on my previous account. Alas.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping for 3000

by the end of the season.

Actually, I’d like to beat ‘Skins in one GDT, but that would require breaking 5 of his fingers and not letting him post after the game’s over…I just don’t care that much.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 23, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I've beaten 'Skins once or twice

Probably because he missed the game, and then I made enough of an effort after the game was over to keep pace, but it takes a pretty concerted effort.

By this point, I just content myself with beating soco.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 23, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We can be content

knowing that you, soco, and I combined beat ’Skins almost every time.

Yes.

...Is it Opening Day yet?

It would be poetic if it didn't suck so much (RIP Pushing Daisies...)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Feb 23, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pssshhht...

if by “almost every time” you mean “never”…

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 23, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When

I’m on my A-game I’m pretty tough to beat.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 23, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I hadn’t noticed, you’ll have to point out when it happens.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 24, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I

think the problem is you’re too busy with your nose in the Owlmancer Player’s Handbook, or watching subpar TV shows that get cancelled almost instantly.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 24, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh, sick burn

Got no comeback to that.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 24, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There

was this dude that ordered a book yesterday, and his email handle has owlmancer in it. I didn’t have the courage to ask what in the world an owlmance is, though.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 24, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

He’s a master of the ancient, noble and eldritch art of owlmancy.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 24, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

I much prefer to mance my necros, rather than my owls.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 24, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Understandably so

When it comes to choices of mancing, I’d lean towards the pyroic persuasion, myself. But I guess you take your options where you have them. Maybe he comes from a long tradition of owlmancers.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 24, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

‘Skins is like the fan version of Eric Byrnes. Yo might have more talent never more EFFORT!!! Or at least that’s what Mark Grace told me on my TV.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 24, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See

now that’s a snap.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 24, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

.....crap.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 24, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is

a TON of comments… almost like a gameday thread.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

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