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"In one of the hardest-hit parts of the country, the Arizona Diamondbacks are emerging as a case study of how to keep sports fans loyal during the recession." Another insider shill writes this story, no doubt... :-)

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Damn shills!

What’s the world coming to? I mean, who would ever believe the DBacks FO is remotely responsive to its fans?

I mean I repeatedly ask for a red carpet strewn with rose petals and a trumpet fanfare whenever I enter the stadium, but NO, it’s too much trouble.

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I fixed it for you
I mean I repeatedly ask for a red purple and teal carpet strewn with rose petals and a trumpet fanfare whenever I enter the stadium, but NO, it’s too much trouble.

"And when you go back to the stars and tell others of this planet, when you tell them of its riches, its people, its potential, when you talk of the Earth, then make sure that you tell them this... It is defended!"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Thanks! Must have been thinking of entering the Cards Stadium…..

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another insider shill writes this story, no doubt… :-)

Well-played!

(Uh oh, I’m shilling for you again)

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting article

shedding some new light on old issues and introducing new stuff entirely (Commissioner Hall?).

I was delighted with some of it. Other parts, not so much. I think both “camps” have positive takeaways here. I’ll have plenty to say about it later, after you guys do your little “Best Franchise in Baseball” dance :-)

Thank you for letting me talk

by Diamondhacks on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's ALWAYS

room on the dance floor, hack.

not that I’m asking you for this dance, mind you.

just wanted to be clear on that!

;-)

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not that I’m asking you for this dance, mind you.

Oh, c’mon. That was exactly what you were doing.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally,
I’ll have plenty to say about it later, after you guys do your little "Best Franchise in Baseball" dance :-)

You really seem to have discovered a “smiley corollary” to the LOL theory of internet posting.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, there's a dance?

Aw, geez, I didn’t even know! I guess that’s what happens when you skip the rehearsals.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 19, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

great article

i don’t comment enough on this site anymore, despite visiting every day, even in the offseason. i guess i never have anything better to say than “great article.”

i think hall is a great guy. the other day, i was remembering the final game of the 2005 [or was it ‘6] season (padres win, clinch the division and celebrate on the field after a horrible call at 2nd base on Young), when they flashed derrick hall onto the jumbotron for the first time and the sold out crowd stood and boo’d, myself included. i feel bad about that.

i met hall at the fanfest, and he was superbly nice to my girlfriend and i; gave her advice on how to be a good vice president, and wished me luck in an upcoming amateur league season. i’m still grateful, but it wont affect how many games i attend this year (hoping to top last year’s lifetime high of 28).

by leemellon on Feb 19, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

that article makes it a little difficult to believe ‘Hacks’ assertion that Derrick Hall is evil incarnate.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the dance

over then?

I was just getting warmed up!

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 19, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a great article

How do we reconcile it with all of the “Arizona has the worst fans in baseball” chatter? I had no idea that the median income in Phoenix was so low compared to other MLB cities.

it sounds like the front office is doing a good job (at least in the fan relations department) in an extremely challenging market.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Feb 19, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Even though I identified

thirty or so points of contention, I have no gripe with the overall tone. Broad sourcing on Derrick. It’s Fortune, so clearly pro business, but few outright errors for such a detailed piece. Cant reasonably address everything at once, so will focus on DH and marketing for now. That will come across rather negative, cuz that’s where we butt heads – but I enjoyed the commissioner talk, Hall’s rehearsed Horatio Alger saga, the glowing Reinsdorf and Omalley Quotes. Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting Derrick doesnt “deserve” any of that.

Ok, here’s the bullets:

In one of the hardest-hit parts of the country, the Arizona Diamondbacks are emerging as a case study of how to keep sports fans loyal during the recession ($1.50 hot dogs, anyone?)

Keyword “emerging”. I’m fine with that.

What scares Hall most about the economy is the potential impact on ticket sales.

Tix are normally that recession-resistant revenue stream (in the modern baseball model), but K&M bullied the single ticket side of their business for years. Conditions now require Derrick win it back. This will be a good test to see how nimble he is.

Because the sports world glided over past recessions, executives don’t have a lot of experience managing through financial crises. The Diamondbacks are an exception.

Woo hoo! So…Jerry’s excess favorably girded these guys for the current recession? Who knew! The Don who keeps on giving ;-)
 
Their fan-friendly approach was born of an earlier crisis – albeit one of management’s own making.

Not sure, but I think he means the debt, which – if so – would be the most substantial error in the piece. The eventual “fan-friendly” approach was born of growing fan alienation, stemming from both regimes. Glossing over this extended rift, or suggesting Kendrick suddenly arrived with equal (let alone superior) customer service, ignores all the C/S year to year data.

Hall’s early efforts with the Diamondbacks focused on improving what he terms the “experiential” aspects…It was like a carnival down there," Hall says. “It was cluttered with carts and food stands, with lots of purple and yellow everywhere.” Garfinkel (Mr Target remodel) chimes in: Now when you walk in, you see the field, you smell the grass. You feel like you’re in a ballpark.

We’ve chatted about this boilerplate before. Is it really less cluttered? More importantly, is the ballpark experience better? Can you really smell the grass, Tom? Barf. Hall and Garfinkel are dreaming if they think their initiatives have brought the game closer to fans. The commercial audio onslaught, every half inning, singlehandedly mires Chase as an unusually cheesy MLB experience. Everyone I know talks about it. One crass distraction after another, bludgeoning fans away from Tommy’s pungent green grass. The definition of “carnival”…and, if I do say so, some hypocrisy.

We were 28th out of 30 in merchandise sales because nobody wanted to wear the colors, Hall says a bit defensively.

Nobody wanted to wear the colors because nobody wanted to come to your games, and nobody wanted to come to your games because:

a) your team stunk (a function of both regimes)
b) your prices were out of touch with market and product quality (after the 04 crisis), and
c) fans developed an immediate and ongoing impression your bosses were insensitive jerks.

Purple unpopular with men? Tell it to Viking or Laker fans. Or LSU or the Ravens. Yeah, what a bunch of fems. Completely rebranding the Valley’s only championship brand is what’s “unpopular”. The fact merchandise sales or attendance crept up since The Stain doesnt imply causality – plenty of other factors easily explain those increases. It’s true young people tend to like it. My son has a bunch of red shirts (and I still dont charge him rent). But the change pissed off older fans, injecting mercantile transience to a storied American franchise (MLB, not AZ) famous for continuity – in a very transient market yearning for permanance.

(Hall estimates he responded to 1,000 angry calls and e-mails about the new uniforms.) “After we made the change, we jumped five slots in six months.”

Well, no kidding. People who want the old stuff already have it (for the most part) and others who want the new stuff, dont. Plus, the team went from last to first in the standings during The Restain. I’m sure that had nothing to do with the jump from 28th to 23rd. [eyeroll]

…the decision to send out season ticket renewal notices in August last year instead of November. “We got lucky with the timing,” Hall acknowledges. Another bit of serendipity was the 2007 sale of TV rights to Fox Sports Net Arizona for $250 million over eight years.

More examples where Derrick comes across well personally, reluctant to grab credit for lucrative moves, yet both begging a question more fundamental to his purported job #1: Is it good for the fans? The first suggests people locked into ST packages they subsequently couldnt afford. Is the jump to FOX cable good for fans? I’d say reaction is quite mixed.

Part of Hall’s worry stems from his deep knowledge of the Phoenix marketplace. The rest of the country may think of the Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale area as nouveau riche, but that’s a misconception. Phoenix actually has the lowest per capita income, $35,010, of any MLB city…

This echoes my original research (down to the identical source, USBoEA), so it’s gratifying to see this referenced recently in two natl publications. As for DH’s “deep knowledge” of the Phoenix marketplace, Derrick related to me last March (3/2008) he was “surprised” to read this same information in my blog. I genuinely appreciated his candor, but make of that what you will.

Worried about losing the lower- and middle-income fan, the Diamondbacks now sell upper-deck tickets for as little as $5.

Gotta laugh. Jerry priced these at $1-$5 during the best and worst of times, K&M came in, raised them to $10 and got nothing. Now they’re back to $5 (for non-premier games) and they’re working class heroes all of a sudden, all “worried” about low end affordability. Cant make this stuff up :-)
 
Hall also instituted “kids’ pricing” for concessions – $1.50 for a hot dog or popcorn or milk, etc.

And it took the better part of a year between the time he started crowing about it on TV, until the time Levy’s actually put the reduced prices on their menus.

Too often, this appears to be Derrick’s MO. Oversell, fudge, mislead to the general public – if fussy individuals object, smile and bend over backwards, invite them to lunch and pretend that addresses the general transgression. It’s an old sales trick. Then commit the same transgression tomorrow, without blinking an eye, and start making new “friends”. PT Barnum is an apt comparison. He worked like hell too, tightroping the fine wire between wowing and fooling customers, with bells and whistles and carefully crafted language. He and Derrick are a couple of masters :-)

Thank you for letting me talk

by Diamondhacks on Feb 20, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

once again.....

….you expect me to read all that?!

by sergey606 on Feb 20, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont expect you to read a bag of Skittles.

by Diamondhacks on Feb 20, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good deal

"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"

by sergey606 on Feb 20, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mmmm, skittles!

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 20, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll eat

that bag of Skittles?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate

to break it to you, but this article really isn’t about the current regime vs. the old. It’s about what the Diamondbacks are attempting to do now to battle through tough economic times. The only bits about old ownership was about how the team was almost run into the ground.

I am Shiva the destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Feb 20, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and No

Birger’s focused on the new regime, by assignment and necessity. He doesnt understand team history as well as several people on this board, and a Fortune editor evidently thought the Dbacks FO would make a good story. I’m fine with that, because he checked around, made some calls and tempered the boilerplate with a little editorial disbelief here and there, which I think strengthens the piece:

Hall talks as if he’s seen Field of Dreams one too many times
No sentimentality on the rebranding, Hall “defensively” responds
Hall is a modern day PT Barnum (ie world class huckster)
…etc

The only bits about old ownership was about how the team was almost run into the ground.

Explicitly, sure, but it’s important to appreciate the FO positions itself in more subtle, less substantiated ways, that inevitably step on the old regime as well. In DH’s case, I dont sense anything mean spirited about it, but it’s unusually well crafted and purposeful, and in some cases, as I outlined, unfair and rather self-serving.

Merchandise was 28th because the colors were bad?
Merchandise jumped to 23rd because the colors were good?
It was a cluttered carnival down there?
garfinkel: Now you feel like you’re in a ballpark?
We’ve “lowered” prices to $5?
…etc

Derrick has tirelessly convinced many locals these are factual “improvements”, when they’re just talking points disguised as information. He’s not always talking about both regimes, that’s true, but if you study the way he positions initiatives (on pricing, branding, merchandise), he is a master at planting misleading impressions to make his business look better – sometimes at the expense of his predecessors.

That doesnt erase some of the marvelous work he’s done. The guy works incredibly hard, is a masterful relationship builder (at least on a personal level) and made some nice innovations. That all comes through in the article and I dont begrudge it one bit – to the extent he walks the talk. He often does. Sometimes the talk is way ahead of the walk, though. And that’s not an oversight.

by Diamondhacks on Feb 20, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hack, with all due respect:
Derrick has tirelessly convinced many locals these are factual "improvements", when they’re just talking points disguised as information. He’s not always talking about both regimes, that’s true, but if you study the way he positions initiatives (on pricing, branding, merchandise), he is a master at planting misleading impressions to make his business look better – sometimes at the expense of his predecessors.

If the FO is the forcus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture! Maybe you sit with a different group of fans than I do at games, but I am there for the love of the game and to support the home town team. I take great pride whenever I travel around the nation wearing all the local team colors.
I’ve sat next to people who refuse to buy anything red, BUT they are there every game possible cheering wildly for the TEAM to do well. We never ever talk about the fo, OLD OR NEW. It just isn’t imp[ortant enough.
I suppose if the DBacks FO were as screwed up as the Suns current fo is, I imagine the topic would be a bit more relevant.
I don’t have an issue with you bringing this topic up, I just wanted to let you know where I stood.

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 20, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hallelujah
If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture! Maybe you sit with a different group of fans than I do at games, but I am there for the love of the game and to support the home town team

It’ll probably come as a surprise to you, but this resonates with me more than you know. For a long time, I was just a baseball fan, thrilled to root for my home team. I didnt give a damn about this front office stuff. I just wanted to watch the game.

Different things happened. Ownership change. Betrayals. The Internet. I understand you’re saying I’m obsessed with the FO, and you’re not the first person to hint they’re getting kind of sick of it. I respect that – and the fact you’re respectful about it, and I’ve decided to tone it down a little. Out of mutual respect for people who dont give a hoot, one way or another.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture!

Um…yeah. Heh. This would make a great signature, for all sorts of people I know.

May I?

by Diamondhacks on Feb 21, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um…yeah. Heh. This would make a great signature, for all sorts of people I know.

May I?

It certainly works for both sides in your debate.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may,

and I am honored that you are the 2nd one to use something from a post of mine as a quote! I should charge a fee!

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 21, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are the man

when it comes to signatures.

That handle, though, is long and colorless as a tapeworm. What about BOB? Or Chase Greenfield?

Again, thx

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Feb 21, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

The Lovely Morgan?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 21, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not adulterate The Brand

(I hate when that happens)

Virtuous chicks only.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Feb 21, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We should keep that free

In case mrskishi wants to take heed of the lessons learned from of mrssoco’s name.

"How'd you beat me? You have the street smarts of a cartoon princess!"
-The Guild

by kishi on Feb 21, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the jump to FOX cable good for fans? I’d say reaction is quite mixed.

Well, as anyone who endured my bitching during the 2007 division title season will recall, it’s certainly been good for Tucsonans, as the local WB affiliate, who owned the Dbacks broadcast rights, often simply decided to run reruns of “Friends” instead or something stupid like that.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Feb 20, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why I generally pay no attention to the FO:
I’d hate to be an owner of a team. Owning a professional sports team is the only “business” where you’re ridiculed for trying to make a profit. Maybe if we all had a financial stake in the team to go along with our emotional one, we’d all understand what owner x is going through.

Found this on the azcentral boards. The piece was talking about Sarver specifically, but can be applied to all of them. The intent of posting this was not to keep picking at old wounds or anything. Just seemed to go with a post i made a few days ago.

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

follow up from the players
“It doesn’t matter what sport it is. It doesn’t matter what venue it is. Attendance is going to suffer and that’s the bottom line if you want to be honest about it,” Diamondbacks pitcher Doug Davis said.

“You see Walt Disney commercials on all the time trying to get people to go to their theme parks. People can’t afford it. That’s it. So yes, attendance is going to be down. Not only here, but around the whole continental U.S. And it’s going to hurt everybody, not just baseball. It already is.”

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/2009/02/22/20090222spt-p2mainmac.html

Human thought is so primitive, it's looked upon as an infectious disease in some of the better galaxies. That kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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