A first stab at the 2010 Diamondbacks roster
With the arrival of Kelly Johnson, and as we sit on the very last day of the year, with 2010 virtually upon us, the mist surrounding the shape of the Diamondbacks next year is beginning to clear. While there are still a number of question-marks, things are significantly closer to being resolved then they were during the post-season - or even at the start of this week. With that in mind, after the jump, we'll take our opening shot at putting together the 25 men we might see in Arizona on Opening Day. We'll be dividing them into three categories: definites, probables and possibles.
Let's start off with the players who, at the time of writing, appear to be solid locks for the roster. If any of them were not present on Opening Day, I think this would be a big surprise. There's not been much word of the team seeking to strengthen these spots, and so we will put their names on the roster in bold.
| Hitters | Pitchers | ||
| C | Miguel Montero | Brandon Webb | SP1 |
| 1B | Dan Haren | SP2 | |
| 2B | Kelly Johnson | Edwin Jackson | SP3 |
| SS | Stephen Drew | Ian Kennedy | SP4 |
| 3B | Mark Reynolds | SP5 | |
| LF | Conor Jackson | Chad Qualls | Closer |
| CF | Aaron Heilman | SU1 | |
| RF | Justin Upton | Bob Howry | SU2 |
| Bench 1 | Chris Snyder | LHP | |
| Bench 2 | Ryan Roberts | Long | |
| Bench 3 | MR1 | ||
| Bench 4 | MR2 | ||
| Bench 5 |
Most of the above should be fairly self-explanatory. The only questions might be over the roles of some of those named. For example, Roberts might be on the bench or he might be the starting left-fielder, if Jackson plays first - but, either way, he seems certain to be on the roster. The same goes for relievers Heilman and Howry. They may or may not be the actual set-up men, pitching the seventh and eighth innings - that will likely depend on performance - but their position on the team is assured. They certainly bring experience: after Qualls went down last season, during the final month, Scott Schoeneweis was the only one of the relievers used by Arizona, who was older than 28.
Now, we'll move onto those who, while not certain, are probably more likely than not to be present. Their situation or role could still fluctuate as a ripple effect from changes elsewhere on the team, but in the absence of anything like that, their positions will likely be as listed. Even if not, they should still be part of the 25-man roster. We'll take the above chart and add their names to the roster in plain text. I'll go into more discussion about each case after the table.
| Hitters | Pitchers | ||
| C | Miguel Montero | Brandon Webb | SP1 |
| 1B | Brandon Allen | Dan Haren | SP2 |
| 2B | Kelly Johnson | Edwin Jackson | SP3 |
| SS | Stephen Drew | Ian Kennedy | SP4 |
| 3B | Mark Reynolds | Billy Buckner | SP5 |
| LF | Conor Jackson | Chad Qualls | Closer |
| CF | Chris Young | Aaron Heilman | SU1 |
| RF | Justin Upton | Bob Howry | SU2 |
| Bench 1 | Chris Snyder | Zachary Kroenke | LOOGY |
| Bench 2 | Ryan Roberts | Blaine Boyer | Long |
| Bench 3 | Eric Byrnes | Clay Zavada | MR1 |
| Bench 4 | Gerardo Parra | MR2 | |
| Bench 5 |
As the cash in the coffers heads towards zero, it seems the team is content to go into 2010 with Brandon Allen as the starting first baseman. There will likely be an element of platooning, with Jackson at first against left-handed pitchers. In the outfield, Chris Young finished the season solidly, after his return from Triple-A, and is likely to get a chance to redeem his wretched 2009. The same is true for Eric Byrnes: while I'm sure the team would love to deal his contract away, it's hard to see anyone biting, and he'll likely be our fourth outfielder, getting starts in LF when Jackson plays first. Gerardo Parra should be the fifth, seeing action mostly when we face left-handed pitchers.
Speaking of which, that's a spot which is shaping up as potentially a issue in the 'pen. Zavada is currently the only southpaw to pitch for the 2009 Diamondbacks who'll be on the 2010 roster: Daniel Schlereth, Doug Slaten and Scott Schoeneweis are all basically gone.The selection of Zach Kroenke from the Yankees in the Rule 5 draft makes some sense in the light. As a Rule 5 pick, Kroenke has to be kept on the roster all year or offer him back to the Yankees for $25K. [Additionally, Nick P says, "as a player selected twice in the Rule 5, he can elect free agency if taken off the roster."]
Now, that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot - just ask catcher James Skelton, our rule 5 pick last year, who had a dismal spring and ended 2009 down in Visalia. But given Zavada showed reverse splits last year [better against RHB than LHB], one suspects the team will be hoping to use Kroenke against left-handed batters out of the 'pen. Last year, he held them to a .196 average in the minors, and throughout his career there, has also been more of a ground-ball pitcher against lefties [57.4% vs. 47.7%]. This would allow Zavada to remain as a more general relief arm, working against hitters on both sides of the plate. But what if Kroenke crashes a la Skelton? What's Plan B?
I put Boyer in the long relief spot, as ten of his thirty appearances for Arizona last year lasted 1.2 innings or more. He performed very nicely for us in 2009, though the ERA projections to date for Boyer in 2010 are not exactly awesome (Bill James: 4.74, CHONE: 4.67). Still, got to like his overall groundball-flyball ratio of 1.72 this season [league average is 0.80!] in 54.2 innings, and if he can continue in that vein, I think he'll perform significantly better than expected. Finally, Billy Buckner, in the absence of any other changes, has the best shot at the fifth spot, courtesy of the solid September starts after he added the cut fastball to his repertoire.
This only leaves two spots to be decided: one at the back of the bullpen, and the other would be a position-player spot, unless we decide to go with an extra bullpen arm, as we did for some time in 2009. Otherwise, it will most probably an infield backup. In the bullpen, there are a number of potential candidates, but an additional factor we need to take into account is what happens to the other players if they don't make the roster. The three main candidates all pitched significantly for the Diamondbacks last season: Gutierrez (71 IP, 4.06 ERA); Vasquez (53 IP, 4.42 ERA) and Rosales (45.1 IP, 4.76 ERA).
On performance, it's an easy choice, especially if you look at FIP: there, Gutierrez was the best on the team, at 3.00, with Rosales (3.96) and Vasquez (4.19) some way behind. This is fortunate, since Gutierrez is also out of options. On that basis, if it were my decision, I'd stick him in the final pitching spot. Vasquez can be optioned to Reno, which leaves Rosales as the odd man out. The Diamondbacks could, I suppose, retain Rosales, optioning Zavada to Reno instead - their FIP last season was very similar (3.92 for Zavada). Hmmm. Upon further consideration, I think I'll put Gutierrez on roster v3.0 as a lock, and move Zavada to the "on the bubble" section.
That leaves the 25th spot, which really comes down, at the moment, to Ojeda and Abreu. This should be decided in a steel-cage death-match between the two, as part of the March WWE pay-per-view. Hey, I'd watch. The issue may be resolved less violently, if the team can trade Ojeda between now and Opening Day. I am inclined to think this is the most likely scenario, but this exercise has excluded all future potential moves, and I see no reason to change that here. So we'll assume - for the moment - that both players remain on the roster and a decision has to be made.
Abreu is generally projected to have better offensive numbers in 2010 than Ojeda, and that seems almost certain to come true. However, as the 25th player, it hopefully won't make much difference, due to a lack of playing time. Our previous #25, Ryan Roberts saw only 29 PAs in the first quarter of the season, while 2008's last man standing, Robbie Hammock, got even less: 24 PAs over the same time-frame. [This inactivity may also be an argument in favor of going with eight bullpen arms] Such limited action would hurt a developing player like Abreu a good deal more than Ojeda, and he may be better served by getting regular time in Triple-A - which would also stop his service-time clock.
Given this, I'd be more inclined to have Augie around; we can make full use of his mad defensive skillz as a late-inning replacement for Johnson or Drew, and this way, his limited offense will be less of a factor. However, much as I love Augie, if we get a good offer for him - and given the roster is almost full, I'd be thinking more prospect than MLB-ready plater - then it's something I would do. So, with the last couple of additions to be found in italics, here is my current estimate of Arizona's 25-man roster on Opening Day 2010.
| Hitters | Pitchers | ||
| C | Miguel Montero | Brandon Webb | SP1 |
| 1B | Brandon Allen | Dan Haren | SP2 |
| 2B | Kelly Johnson | Edwin Jackson | SP3 |
| SS | Stephen Drew | Ian Kennedy | SP4 |
| 3B | Mark Reynolds | Billy Buckner | SP5 |
| LF | Conor Jackson | Chad Qualls | Closer |
| CF | Chris Young | Aaron Heilman | SU1 |
| RF | Justin Upton | Bob Howry | SU2 |
| Bench 1 | Chris Snyder | Zachary Kroenke | LOOGY |
| Bench 2 | Ryan Roberts | Blaine Boyer | Long |
| Bench 3 | Eric Byrnes | Clay Zavada | MR1 |
| Bench 4 | Gerardo Parra | Juan Gutierrez | MR2 |
| Bench 5 |
Augie Ojeda |
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high confidence
That’s why he was aquired. The Scherzer deal would look significantly worse if Kennedy didn’t come out as the #4 pitcher. Even if the Spring Training results don’t support it, I’d be pretty shocked if anyone else was there come April.
by Counsellmember on Dec 31, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
for the quick answer. He showed good stuff his first year in the Bronx, really struggled in 2008 and was injured in 2009.
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Gonna agree with Counsellmember
That deal makes no sense if we have him as just another guy in the competition. We got him to start this year, as the definite #4.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I just added
My roster projection to the left side-bar, so will keep that updated as we head towards Opening Day. Also shuffled around some other things, to keep the left and right sidebars about the same size!
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Interesting
But spring training will offer the chance to sort a few things out. A few of my (pointless) thoughts:
1: EB may have a leg up due to contract, but if he tanks in ST and Gillespie shines, it might be time to let him go. Unless he returns to productivity, that money is already wasted.
2: Vasquez could certainly challenge Boyer for a spot in the pen, or even Buckner for fifth starter.
3: Augie is expendable, especially if Abreu or Ryal have a good spring. Much as we all love Augie, his value isn’t going to increase.
Overall, looks like a fairly solid team. Of course, injuries could throw the whole thing into the dumpster, and somebody could become a raging failure to meet expectations.
OK, let’s get spring training started!
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One other possible outcome
Good article. I see one other potential lineup possibility. If Allen has a poor spring and is sent to AAA, then Conor Jackson would become the regular 1B. This could lead to Kelly Johnson playing LF, with Abreu/Roberts at 2B, or Johnson at 2B with Roberts/Parra/Byrnes starting in LF. Of these choices, I think the Johnson (LF) and Abreu (2B) would be best combination, both offensively and defensively.
But I agree that the best-case scenario has Allen as the starting 1B.
KJ in LF?
Even if he does revert to his pre-2009 form (an optimistic assumption) Johnson won’t hit enough to hold down LF on a daily basis. A Parra/Johnson or Parra/Roberts platoon would make the most sense if CoJack goes back to first or doesn’t recover from Valley Fever. Has anybody heard how Conor is doing?
Valley Fever
Jackson should be fine. He played 23 games in the Dominican Winter League, and hit .425/.561/.589 with 2 HR, 16 RBI, and 9 SB.
I like the Parra/Roberts platoon
With Jackson at 1B. Roberts and Parra both have absolutely enormous splits, and in this case that can be utilized.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts:
1) At first, the Heilman deal made sense because we needed a bullpen arm. But we needed one. So now we have Heilman, who, for as solid and durable as he may be, doesn’t have closer upside, possibly instead of Vasquez (who I like more)? Ugh. Especially since this FO has proven in its other deals to handle their money efficiently this winter (and even did so in the Heilman deal prior to the Howry signing). That could be a solid 1B platoon, or a backup OF upgrade, or some money we could swallow in a deal to get rid of Snyder’s long-term obligation. It’s not exactly easy to predict a quality set-up man taking a bargain salary to play for his hometown team, but if the plan was to sign two arms (especially since neither was a LHP) and Rule 5 pick another, then I’m lost.
2) I think we ought to move Roberts to LF to platoon with Parra, and Jackson to first. Basically, it comes down to the fact that I trust a Roberts/Parra platoon more than Allen for 2010. 2011, probably not. But the immediate future, sure. They compliment themselves very well with their excessive splits, and Parra plays good defense. Roberts is more questionable defensively, admittedly, but more starters are righties rather than lefties, so Parra would start more.
3) As much as it saddens me, if we can get a decent prospect for Ojeda (decent, not great, not even good), I say go for it. Abreu is ready, and unless we feel like our Reno staff can magically infuse him with the ability to take more walks, I don’t see it having equivalent long-term value to keep him in AAA and Ojeda up vs. Abreu up and a prospect who could help us as we start to rebuild in a couple years.
4) Is nobody really willing to take a gamble on EB for $1-2M in a salary dump? This even surprises me a little bit. Any more money we could save for the Justin Upton fund or to get rid of Snyder’s deal is money well-saved. Unless we’re hoping he can build up some value in the season for a deadline trade?
5) You have to believe that Zavada and Gutierrez are on the team. So that would mean that Rosales is, thankfully, gone. I’ve never been impressed by Rosales, all of his good work I can recall was in mop-up duty (aside from that one 17-inning bonanza, but that was the Padres, and their lineup was especially horrendous that day), and he reeks of AAAA-pitcher. AAA hitters can’t lay off the change, but major-league ones sit on it and obliterate it.
"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."
Instead of:
AAA hitters can’t lay off the change, but major-league ones sit on it and obliterate it.
I mean: “AAA hitters can’t lay off the change, but major-league ones sit on it and obliterate his other stuff.”
"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."
by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
I’ve never been impressed by Rosales, all of his good work I can recall was in mop-up duty
- When margin (either way) was three or more runs, opponents hit .245 (58-for-237) off Rosales
- When margin (either way) was two or less runs, opponents hit .167 (14-for-84) off Rosales
- When margin (either way) was one or less runs, opponents hit .125 (5-for-40) off Rosales
- When game was tied, opponents hit .105 (2-for-19) off Rosales.
Small sample size, I know, but your recollection is clearly faulty.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 31, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you kind of made my defense point here...
“Clearly faulty” might be a stretch with the sample size. Maybe it’s a product of not being given the opportunities, but he never really had much of an impact in high-pressure games. Saying that most (or all, if we can’t move past hyperbole) of his good work was in mop-up duty wasn’t exactly inaccurate because he was hardly ever put in those situations. Maybe that’s unfair to Rosales on my part to make that judgment, sure, but it’s hard to argue in the contrary or say that the statement is “faulty.”
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
What "impact" did you want him to have?
He came in to close games and got hitters out, keeping the game close. Works for me. His best performances was when the game was closest, and he got steadily less effective as the margin increased. Most of his good work was in close games, not mop-up duty. The numbers are pretty conclusive.
And per the same link given previously, he had 12 appearances when the game was within two runs – not far short of the 15 in ‘mop-up duty’, when the margin was four or more, and rather more than ‘hardly ever’.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 31, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Its a truism. . .
but a team can never have enough good arms. Although I haven’t been happy with a number of the pitching staff moves the last year, there are good arms in the bullpen, and I actually expect the ’pen, as it stands, to be effective.
by NASCARbernet on Dec 31, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't exactly refute your argument...
So I don’t quite get the point of the tone of this. I admitted that it’s unfair to make that judgment because I hadn’t looked at the metrics but was relying on my recollections. The sample size made them not exactly wrong, but I admitted it was a hastily-made statement. Also, IIRC, they gave him more close-game innings near the end of the year to see what they had in him (I remember Mark Grace mentioning this around the end of the summer), about the time I was at school without any live D-Backs coverage (hence the IHSB moniker). So I’m sorry, my impressions were based on the games I was able to actually watch.
Also, I’ll let you decide this one – is mop-up duty three runs (as you had earlier) or four runs (as you had here)? Just pointing it out for consistency’s sake, sir.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Further inspection of his game log
Revealed that many of his pre-September appearances were of the lopsided nature, and, as I had mentioned, they put him in more pressured situations late in the year to see what they had. Whether you can call those pressured or not is also debatable, but I won’t resurrect a pointless argument here.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 31, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I ever specifically declared it to be three runs
But certainly, if it would be a save situation for either side i.e. basically a lead of three runs or less, it can hardly qualify as mop-up duty. I wouldn’t have said anything, except it’s not the first time you’ve made the claim. In the Howry thread, I think it was, you called Rosales “a guy who thrives in innings that don’t matter” or something like that. Seemed time to put that one to sleep, before it gained traction…
That most of the closer games were later makes sense: you see what a guy can do in low-leverage situations, where if he sucks, it won’t cost you the game. If he works, then you can move him up to higher-leverage ones. I certainly can see how, if you missed the latter, it could have created the impression, but Rosales did perform well enough there, to the point I do not regard him as a lock to be dropped from the roster. As NASCARbernet said, you can never have too many decent arms.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
any news on what number Johnson is?
I hope they give him 51 so I can wear my Randy jersey again.
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heilman
he should at least be given a chance for the #5 starter position. if he gets it, a relief position becomes open and then we wouldnt put as much pressure on buckner or boyer but if he doesn’t, he can easily go back in the bullpen.
maybe we could package snyder with ojeda for a prospect/money?
Package both to Texas
For whatever we can get. They could use both of them. Or Toronto.
"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."
by IHateSouthBend on Jan 1, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
they shouldn’t even ask for anything. it was just free up valuable bench spots for our younger players.


























