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The New AZ Kids Arrive, D-backs Rumor Central (and not the Prospect Report)

No prospect report today, as finals and other pressures on time have left Zephon and IHSB short on a chance to get the scheduled installment quite completed in time. That'll therefore be held over until next week, and instead gives me a chance to throw up some random links and other stuff of potential interest. However, I'm pretty much phoning this one in though, since I got my HDMI cables, and so have been happily plugging them into anything within reach. The dogs have learned to stay away.

Let's start with the conference pictured above, where new Arizona starters Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy were introduced to the press at Chase Field yesterday. The pair spoke about their pitching arsenal and what they need to do to be successful. For Jackson, "It's big for me to come out throwing strikes early, set the tone early with the fastball. That way I can mix my offspeed into the equation to keep them off balance and help put them away." Kennedy's approach was a little different: "I have to throw a lot of strikes... I'm still going to throw a lot of fastballs even at 90, and I'm incorporating my two-seamer a lot more and try to keep you off balance mainly."

Star-divide

With both starters coming from the American League, they're going to have to get used to taking their hacks at the plate. Jackson - originally drafted as an outfielder - seemed to be looking forward to that a good deal more, saying "They've kind of thrown that on me that I had better be able to hit. It's a lot of fun being able to help yourself out." Contrast Kennedy's reaction: "I haven't gotten an at-bat since high school, so it's going to be a little challenging for me." Jackson has had only ten major-league at-bats since leaving Los Angeles in 2005, but in 2004 went 8-for-21 with three home-runs for Triple-A Las Vegas. Kennedy is right: he has yet to go to the plate in pro ball, so I wouldn't be expecting too much there.

Josh Byrnes made it clear that keeping a solid rotation was an important priority. Said Byrnes, "It's been a strength of ours. We've been among the leaders in major league baseball in innings and ERA from our rotation for several years running, so with Brandon Webb returning to health and the excellence of Dan Haren, we felt like we needed to keep paying attention to it." Byrnes feels that Webb's performance will be key. "If we're going to be good enough to win 90 games and make the playoffs like we did a couple of years ago, probably a few things are going to have to happen in 2010 that didn't happen in 2009. The first item is probably Brandon Webb returning to be an effective starting pitcher. I don't think there's any scenario where it doesn't go well for him and we're able to overcome that." Fox Sports Arizona also has interviews with both Jackson and Kennedy.

Over the weekend, Ken Kendrick discussed the 2010 budget for the team, which is currently sitting around the $70 million mark, depending on exactly what happens with regard to the arbitration-eligible players. The estimated salary available is around the mid-70's, but Kendrick said, "The number is not a hard number. There's not $10 million more. But $2 million to $3 million above our baseline to do something that we really find attractive? We could probably do that." There's still no certainty where the remaining budget might go: Nick Piecoro reports we asked about Jose Valverde, but his demands were too high. Kelly Johnson seems to be the main focus of attention: reliever Matt Capps is another possibility, but with half the teams in the majors interested, seems less likely.

Steve Gilbert mentions that outfielder Randy Winn "definitely is a guy on the Arizona radar," which seems somewhat perplexing to me. Sure, Winn can play all three outfield positions, but it seems difficult to work out how he could be fitted on to the roster while Eric Byrnes remains with the team. Certainly, Winn will not be expecting to get paid anything like the $9.6 million he earned from the Giants last year, and he has monster numbers at Chase, but one does wonder what exactly he would bring to the team. Gilbert says, "One of the pieces the D-backs were looking for this offseason was a veteran player, who could provide some leadership in the clubhouse."

What, is Tony Clark not available? Oops. Did I say that out loud? The reason for such cynicism is that of late, "veteran presence" has become a synonym in Arizona for "geriatric suck". In the past four seasons, the Diamondbacks has given 50+ at-bats to eight position players aged 34 or older: the mean OPS+ produced by these veterans is only 80.6. Admittedly, four of those were from Tony Clark, who has likely done more to damage the reputation of senior citizens in the state, than anyone not named Joe Arpaio. As a fan, it's far preferable to have a young player failing, since there's always the hope they'll improve down the road. In their mid-30s...not so much.

Random link dump paragraph. In the absence of a prospect report, here an independent evaluation of the Diamondbacks' prospects. Be interested to see what our resident gurus think of the rankings - such as the evaluation of Pedro Ciriaco as only a grade C prospect. Meanwhile, over at Bleacher Report, Joel Reuter posted his list of the top ten players in D-backs franchise history: plenty of food for thought there [does Eric Byrnes really merit an honorable mention?]. And to follow up on the Yanks/salary cap piece, Andrew Marks has a new project relating the Yanks to Veruca Salt: GoldenCC.com

I was sorry to hear of the demise of the MVN network of blogs, which was home to the worthy Baby Backs: The Next Generation and Out in the Desert Arizona sites. I've removed them off the side-bar: let's have a moment of silence as the herd of Diamondbacks sites is thinned. Oh, and finally, if you want to get in early on those personalized jerseys Steve Gilbert tweets the following numbers for the new arrivals on the team: Jackson #36, Heilman #48, Abreu #13, Kennedy #31.

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Did anyone really think Webb was just a “flash in the pan” after his sophomore season? Sure, he had 16 losses, but that was 2004. He still put up some good numbers, as long as you don’t judge a pitcher solely by win-loss record. And I’d put CoJack or Craig Counsell up there before Byrnes.

Too bad to see MVN go. I don’t think the revamp they did a year ago really did the site any favors, especially since they never bothered to bring over several of their authors, including myself. They tried to expand their coverage, while shrinking their base of authors, and that just wasn’t going to work out in the long-run.

"I can just see it: Post 'Intervention? Why would I need an intervention?' And then he'd +1 himself."

by kishi on Dec 16, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

Not gonna lie, that prospect ranking list is bogus. Josh Collmenter at 12? Too old for his level, not in my top-30… He has a good changeup (a very good one, actually) but that’s about it. The worst ranking might be Collin Cowgill as a C+. I understand that even though I’m high on Ciriaco because of his defensive ceiling that others might not be because they want to see more from his bat (I do too, of course, but I think last year’s moderate success has to at least be taken into some account), but Cowgill, by all accounts, has been fantastic. Even Rossmel Perez at 11 is weird. He’s in the 20-30 range for me, maybe a bit lower. The defense is great, and his age is amazing for his level, but the bat appears nonexistent.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 16, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Not a fan of that prospect ranking, for pretty much the same reasons as IHSB.

by C. Wesley Baier on Dec 16, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like they didn’t even read your report!!!! :)

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they tried to answer your question today

Diamond Futures mailbag today refers to those that complain about the Cowgill ranking.

by Minorshound on Dec 17, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

to the Snakepit!!

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

They explained themselves well.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 18, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Makes me wonder

how accurate their predictions REALLY are.

They toot their own horn on Pujols and Sandoval, but those are just two examples.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That's

A decent point…

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 19, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Cowgill

The issue with Collin Cowgill is that he might be a tweener outfielder. He’s probably not good enough defensively to play CF in the majors. But if he moves to left or right, he needs to show more power. Otherwise, his upside is only as a reserve or platoon outfielder.

by Amit on Dec 17, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Not gonna lie

That makes very little sense to me. Power? Cowgill’s got it – .168 ISO. Not immense, but given a .373 OBP, which is starting to be revealed as slightly undervalued, he’s got the bat to be a corner guy. Definitely not defensively-capable in CF though, that’s for sure.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 18, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

I don’t know, maybe I’ve been underrating Cowgill too much. Could be that I’m getting deceived by his size – it’s just hard for me to see a 5-9, 195 lb guy being a productive corner OF major leaguer. Hopefully he can stay healthy for AA this year.

by Amit on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

A good friend of mine...

was the tee-ball coach for Cowgill. Takes credit for all those sound fundamentals.

by Counsellmember on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he's a Matt Stairs type

stocky and powerful? Then again, the power is in the swing itself they say, how much bat you get into the zone etc etc etc…

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Dec 18, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s what people are afraid of – that he’ll only have doubles power because of his size.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 19, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

168 ISO

is not that good for a COF

by paqs on Dec 19, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he makes up for it

By getting on-base at a fairly high percentage. Like Skins noted below, he’s an Overbay/Co-Jack guy (Parra’s a poor comparison because of Parra’s low walk-rates).

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 19, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not nearly as good

The difference is that Conor Jackson and Lyle Overbay both had an OPS between 900-1000 in the Cal League, and that turned into .360/.440 in the Majors. Cowgill is already at .360/.440 while in the Cal League – he’s needs to step it up to be a useful major leaguer.

by Amit on Dec 20, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I won't debate that

But he’s still one of the best prospects we have. Whatever indication that is on the state of the system is one thing, but the kid could have a future.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 20, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Recently?

He hasn’t played since mid-June.

Assuming we’re talking about Cowgill.

by paqs on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Fractured Hand

Cowgill fractured his hand last June. He should be fine for 2010.

by Amit on Dec 21, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Don’t I look foolish? You’re right, of course.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

We seem

to bring up a LOT of guys like that.

Overbay, CoJack, Parra, etc.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 19, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why doesn't upton deserve

at least an honorable mention in that top dbacks in franchise history list. He’s the best right fielder the dbacks have ever had. Reynolds is the best third basemen we’ve ever had.

by C. Wesley Baier on Dec 16, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Even newers "kids"

Who wants Twitter? http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/6746320648

AZ signed Rodrigo Lopez to a minor league deal. Guess our offseason is complete. :)

by Counsellmember on Dec 16, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

Separate post for this, I think

In 3…2…1…

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Dec 16, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 10 Diamondbacks

Johnson
Gonzalez
Webb
Schilling
Finley
Bell
Haren
Hudson
Kim
Reynolds

…the following numbers for the new arrivals on the team: Jackson #36, Heilman #48, Abreu #13, Kennedy #31.

I guess it’s official. TC’s #13, 31 not retired by this tone deaf organization.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Dec 16, 2009 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

I understand why you put Kim on that list

But you still do have to factor in those miserable starts, whether you want to or not. And they were miserable. Not sure if that removes him from this or not, but if you’re looking for a closer specifically, Valverde was darned good as well.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 17, 2009 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Factor them in, sure

But they were just wo of the 252 appearances he made for Arizona, so you need to see them in that context. Also worth noting:

  • Even with those, his ERA in the 2001 post-season was still a not-awful 4.66.
  • You can argue leaving him out for a third inning in Game Four was a mistake.
  • And he should certainly never have been on the mound for Game Five, having thrown 61 pitches the night before.

But it’s an interesting discussion. I may have to do a full article on Arizona closers at some point this winter for my Friday pieces.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

They put Kim on the original list (with good reason, IMO). He was a legitimately dominant All-Star during 2002, and he set a lot of franchise records that were only broken by the Big Potato.

Also, I’m not sure whether IHSB is talking about the two WS appearances, since he said “miserable starts”, or whether he meant in 2007 with his brief second stint with the team.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking more

The starts he had for us after we waiver-claimed him.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

that’s what I thought you were saying.

Overall, they’re just a small blip in quite a long career with us. (For a young franchise)

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they're fairly close

when one looks at their AZ contributions as a homogenized summary. JV’s ERA was slightly lower (3.29 v 3.43). BK threw more innings (325 v 260). Slight edge to Kim. But when contrast them seasonally, which I do when assessing value, Kim starts to pull away.

Due to IP, Kim’s best season was quite a bit better than Valverde’s. BK’s second best campaign was also better than Tater’s second best. Jose’s third best season was better, by about the same margin, and their fourth & fifth “seasons” were both pretty forgettable.

There’s a bunch of ways to evaluate players, and I wasnt particularly ‘“looking for a closer” to include on the list, but am pretty comfortable with the idea that if anyone’s supplanting Kim here, it ought to be a position player (ie Drew, Counsell, perhaps even Williams or Womack) – rather than Jose.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Dec 17, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I clearly hadn’t looked at the numbers, but found it peculiar, especially since I think most fans who either don’t remember too well BK’s earlier years (me, due to young age) or are more casual fans will sadly have a larger impression from his last stint with us than his first. Tragic, but true.

"I've had Bailey's out of a shoe, though."

by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

More likely

that, if they even know WHO BK is, they’ll recall his WS appearances. I think very few people even REMEMBER that Kim started for us in 07, especially since his second stint was so short.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would

they retire TC’s number?

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

To stop

Anyone else from being cursed by it?

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Assuming the jersey number

of a sage merely flouts good taste, but if it turns out Clark was a shaman, which I highly suspect, then let’s just say I wouldnt want to be Abreu or Keneny.

If the FO is the focus of anything, something is seriously wrong with the picture ! - unnamedDBacksfan 2/20/09

by Diamondhacks on Dec 17, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm....

kinda like defiling an indian burial ground?

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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