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An interesting report by Nick Piecoro regarding a possible trade with the Toronto Blue Jays. This would see prodigal first-baseman Lyle Overbay return to the Diamondbacks. He was traded to the Brewers as part of the Richie Sexson trade in December 2003, and has been with the Blue Jays since the end of 2005. The deal is reported to involve Chris Snyder, now deemed expendable because of the blossoming of Miguel Montero. While Snyder is generally seen of as a superior defensive catcher, the output from Montero's bat is just too great to be ignored, and he will also be a lot cheaper than Snyder in the coming seasons.

After the jump, we'll take a look at the possibilities this might present, and what the trade could mean for Arizona next season - both at catcher and first-base.

[Update]. Per Nick Piecoro, "Concerns about catcher Chris Snyder’s surgically repaired back caused the Toronto Blue Jays to nix a trade that would have brought first baseman Lyle Overbay to the Diamondbacks. Not sure if Snyder "failed" the physical exam he was scheduled to undergo today or what the exact terminology is here, but we know that his condition was the reason Toronto called it off." So it seems the two teams were pretty close to a trade, before it fell through. I suspect the news will make other teams think twice about Snyder too, so it may be hard for Josh Byrnes to trade him this winter.

Star-divide

From a salary point of view at least, I like the basic concept of the deal, though my feelings will depend on the specifics of any trade - for example, do any money or other prospects change hands as a result  Assuming, for the moment, that it's a straight-up swap, Overbay will earn $7 million next year, and then become a free-agent. Snyder is scheduled to receive $4.75m in 2010, $5.75m the season after that, with a $6.75m team option in 2012 (the buyout for that is $750K). So, it will lead to Arizona taking on about $2.25 million in additional salary - however, first-base was definitely one of the areas the team was looking to solidify, and doing so for that amount seems fairly cheap at the price. By the end of next season, we might have a better idea whether Brandon Allen is the 1B of the future.

Overbay had a very solid 2009, posting a line of .265/.372/.466 for an OPS+ of 120, including sixteen homers. It would initially seem he'd be a defensive upgrade too, having committed only two errors in 117 starts at the position last season. However, UZR is less impressed, scoring him at -0.6 in 2009, though his three-year average at the position is better, at +2.1. I also wonder how long it'll take him to adjust from the artificial surface on which they play in Toronto, back to 'real' grass in Phoenix? Looking at the UZR for Orlando Hudson, when he made the same transition, it's not good, as O-Dawg went from +8.2 to -1.3 his first season here. Hard to be sure if that's due to the change in conditions, aging, or something else.

One aspect which does surprise me is that Overbay is a left-handed bat. I would have been expecting us to look for a right-hander, someone with whom Allen (also a LHB) could team up. However, Overbay's career splits against left-handed pitching are mediocre: an OPS of .711, compared to .847 versus right-handers. And he's been even worse the past couple of seasons - over 228 at-bats against LHP in 2008-09, Overbay is hitting only .206 with one home-run. If he does arrive, it does nothing to address that gap in our line-up. One wonders if the plan would be to play Jackson at 1B against southpaw starters, with Eric Byrnes in LF for those games? [Assuming he's still about - if not, it'd be Gerardo Parra, and that's another guy who CHLFS.]

The departure of Chris Snyder would probably leave John Hester as the backup to Miguel Montero. The 26-year old catcher was 7-for-28 in fifteen appearances at the end of last season, replacing Snyder after Chris returned to the DL with back issues. Hester batted very well down in Reno - in 92 games, he was .328/.375/.535, an OPS of .910 - though as we all know, hitting there is like getting laid at the Bunny Ranch. No-one is very impressed and it doesn't exactly prove much. Still, Montero will be seeing the vast bulk of the starts; I hope his defense and game-calling continue to improve, as they seemed somewhat to do after he became the regular starter last year.

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Huh whuh...?

I’m sorry, this just makes no sense to me. We honestly have a glut at 1B which was lessened only a little by the departure of Tracy.

If you’re trading Snyder, GET A SECOND BASEMAN. Right now, who do we have to lean on at that spot? Augie?

You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

by zyllyx on Nov 7, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Roberts

who, although far from perfect, was at least as good as Lopez last year.

I am Shiva the Destroyer, your harbinger of doom this evening.

by soco on Nov 7, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Roberts had a better attitude, I’ll give you that. I’m still not sure he’s a starting 2B though.

You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

by zyllyx on Nov 7, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He put

up actually above decent numbers. Certainly better than some of the guys that were run out over the season.

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by soco on Nov 7, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually glad it didn't go through. . .

A quality back up catcher who would be a starter on most teams if he’s healthy (and could play first base if his bat is solid) for a journeyman first baseman? Not a good trade. If they’re serious about shopping Snyder, they could get a better deal.

by NASCARbernet on Nov 8, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since when

Is Overbay a journeyman? And since when has Snyder ever possessed “a solid bat?” And since when does anybody believe Snyder will be healthy all of next season? And since when does Snyder’s contract fit in with our future plans? And since…. Ok, I’m out, but seriously. All of those answers are “never.” It would have been a great deal.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And why

is that probability problem so vexing for you? There are three cases. Geez.

by NASCARbernet on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Notice is says "depressing"

Not “vexing.” Pardon me for thinking death is sad. Also there are two cases, since in this type of trial we were covering, the instance of simultaneous events is discounted (so one dies before the other so there are just two cases).

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Nov 8, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Further,

The questions asks if the events are independent, not what the cases are. Clearly, they are dependent acts, as P(A) is not equal to P(AlB), since P(AlB) is zero and P(A) is not zero.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Abreu

I think the Diamondbacks are expecting Tony Abreu to win the 2B job. Overbay would be a one year stop-gap if they want to start Allen in AAA.

by Amit on Nov 7, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More than a stopgap

I feel that Overbay would be more than just holding the position for Allen. By all indications, he would be better offensively next year, even though he may not be as economically efficient as Allen after that.

With this likely Webb’s last year with us, and our last chance with the amazing 1-2 punch with Harren, I think we HAVE to have a major upgrade at 2nd or 1st next year. Overbay is adaquate as that upgrade.

by Counsellmember on Nov 7, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Webb comes back strong in the first half.

We’ll do everything we can to extend him. We’ve displayed our loyalty to him by sticking with him for a year where there are quesitons all around him, so hopefully he’ll recognize that.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I would love Love LOVE (!) to extend Webb if he’s healthy, but I think it’s realistic to think we won’t be getting much of a loyalty discount. We have had it very good, for very long with Webby.

That said, would you be prepared to offer him something like 6 years, 120k? I just pulled that # out of my backside, but suffice to say it’s going to be a long, expensive contract. The kind of contract I think (unfortuantely) that mostly goes to only the biggest market teams whom shall remain nameless.

by Counsellmember on Nov 9, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagreement

Tony Abreu.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Nov 8, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a little surprised given Snyder’s terrible 2009 season we can trade him for anyone. Given the financial implications, then, it seems like a no brainer. That said, there are still some real questions about Montero’s defense and you never like to sell at the very bottom value of any player.
I suppose I will trust the management’s discretion on this one. If they think 2009 was an omen of bad things to come, then getting rid of Snyder for anything makes sense, if they think it was an aberration, then I just don’t see the reason to trade him right now.

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by njjohn on Nov 7, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love this deal

Overbay is a great contact hitter and a very solid defender. This lets Brandon Allen develop more and we can see what we have in Hester. This would be a great deal for the DBacks, gotta do it.

by rapdawg on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well I could see it

Maybe the club doesn’t feel that Allen is ready or that CoJack is a legit 1b answer. Overbay has a good glove, which helps the entire infield, hits line drives in a park that has spacious gaps. You need a RH bat on certain days, fine, throw CoJack in, otherwise he can be your everyday LF and you then have Parra on the bench as your OF supersub. As for 2B, i think it’s open seaosn between Abreu, Roberts and Ryal, let the best spring training player win. If Allen progresses, then Overbay is only here for a year and Allen steps in, if not, you can resign Lyle.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Nov 8, 2009 4:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This sounds like a terrible idea

Overbay is in the decline. He’s not that good of a hitter, and as noted can’t hit left handers. I don’t see how this move makes sense.

"When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" - Upton Sinclair

by Zephon on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not Enthused

While it might be a decent trade, I don’t see it being all that helpful. A platoon of Jackson and Allen could be as effective as Overbay (who doesn’t really impress me), and I’d be reluctant to give up Snyder when his market value is at its lowest. We’re still going to need a second catcher, and Hester hasn’t proven that he’ll bring much to that role. Snyder is solid enough on defense and pitch calling, and hit decently when healthy.
Now, if it were a trade for pitching I’d be for it. Or a younger, better hitter than Overbay. The team does need to get better, but this trade looks more like treading water.

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by pygalgia on Nov 8, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried

about what was found that stopped the deal.

I’m OK if Snyder doesnt get traded right away, but it would be nice if he could at least start the year out and log some innings to show he’s healthy.

by Counsellmember on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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