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Is Ryan Roberts the next starting 2B, or the next Byrnes?

With the season coming to a close, we can start the process of wading through the stats and destruction of 2009 and attempt to find what, if any, solace there might remain for the following season.  Some players we don't need to worry about; Mark Reynolds is obviously going to have a place on this team for some time, Justin Upton will roam the outfield, Miguel Montero will be behind the dish, and Dan Haren is still an ace.  At the same time, some players continue to disappoint.  Eric Byrnes won't likely have a spot on the team next year, Stephen Drew shows flashes of the potential but for the most part remains merely serviceable, Chris Young needs to find out if his September can be sustained over a season.

Ryan Roberts, on the other hand, seems to be largely flying under the radar.  Now, none of his numbers are particularly impressive, we won't be mistaking him for Dustin Pedroia anytime soon.  I argue that, assuming he doesn't have a huge drop-off in production, this is just fine for him and the team.  In fact, his profile in many ways mirrors the previous two starting second basemen the Diamondbacks have employed.

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Felipe Lopez, of course, started the season for the Diamondbacks and was more than fine for us.  His supposed attitude problems were nonexistent, and at the time of his trade he was one of our better hitters.  His defense is also solid, and didn't make a whole lot of errors.  He replaced Orlando Hudson, now of the Los Angeles Dodgers, who was one of the team leaders in offensive production in his time here, as well as being a solid or above-average defender.  Ryan Roberts certainly had some big shoes to fill, especially for a career minor leaguer that had never been on an Opening Day lineup until this year.  So when Lopez was traded, I personally felt some apprehension that what had been a solid position for the Diamondbacks the past few years would quickly become a black hole between Roberts and Augie Ojeda.

Yet Roberts was able to perform the job admirably.  More than that, his numbers for the most part match what Lopez and Hudson did while in Arizona.   For instance:

Hitting

Roberts: .279/.367/.416/.783 7 HR OPS+ 101 in 305 AB

Lopez: .301/.364/.412/.775  6 HR OPS+ 99 in 345 AB

Hudson (3 years): .294/.365/.448/.814  with never more than 10 HR OPS+ 105

So Roberts had a little less average this season, but he also was the fourth highest in OPS+ this season with at least 100 AB's and one of only four (with 100 AB) to get above 100.

Fielding

Roberts: Fld %: .991, 2 errors, RF/9 4.77, started 45 games at the position

Lopez: Fld %: .977, 9 errors, RF/9 4.79, played 82 games at the position

Hudson (3 years): Fld %: .984, at least 9 errors a year (no more than 13), RF/9 5.07, played at least 100 games a season

Again, Roberts' numbers seem very similar.  Now I won't claim to understand more advanced defensive statistics, so perhaps there are numbers that show a different story, but even Hudson, who is certainly a better defender, was not considerably better in his three years than Roberts was this year.  In fact, Roberts seemed to have the most trouble playing third base, where he committed 3 errors in 15 games, had a Fld % of .927 and RF/9 of 2.59.  Even then, those numbers are not that much worse than Reynolds at third.

Now, these numbers don't give us the answer to whether he should be given a starting job.  His profile is similar enough, however, that the question should be raised regardless.  He made $400,000 this year, which is less than those that he replaced, which is a nice price for the bench, and even better for starting.

Of course, his production could drop off next season.  It would be nice if second base was one area in the off-season where the Diamondbacks don't have to spend time or money fixing.  Roberts might never be mentioned on ESPN, but if he continues playing the way he did this season, that's fine all the same.

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If you go to fangraphs. . . .

they track their version of UZR and say that Roberts was solidly above average with the glove at 2B as he was with the Blue Jays (albeit in VERY limited playing time with Toronto). http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Diamondbacks&pos=all&stats=fld&qual=0&type=0&season=2009&month=0

Of course, they also have CY BELOW average in CF so who knows.

The Hardball Times and Baesball Prospectus have Roberts pretty much average with the glove. John Dewan is kind of the current leading “authority” on fielding stats but I don’t think his stats are publicly available.

Defensive stats should be an interesting field the next decade or so – since there aren’t any terribly good accepted fielding stats, every stathead out there is racing to find the one stat that becomes the de-facto standard.

As for Roberts, I think he’d work out jsut fine. If you look at his minor league stats, he’s always taken a year or so to adjust at each level but has always managed to eventually put up decent numbers so I suspect he could end up being OK at the major league level. He has a decent walk rate at 11.6% (essentially the same as CY and Reynolds who are both good in that department) and his ISO isn’t bad either at 137 (higher than Parra & not far behind Byrnes, Tracy & Snyder)

If he can play average defense and put up a 750 OPS (especially if he can post a 350+ OBP) while not taking up much salary, that would be a good thing.

by golfmanthee on Oct 4, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks golf. to elucidate on your point. the UZR ratings on the NL West 2B:

Roberts: 3.7
Felipe Lopez: 3.9
Clint Barmes: 6.1
Orland Hudson: -4.1
David Eckstein: -5.9
Giants cobbed together unit ranged from -4.8 (Burris, the most frequently used 2B) to 3.4 (Juan Uribe, believe it or not)

All of this is just to drive home your point that Roberts is (at least thus far) is very adequate 2B, in fact, he may be above average. Furthermore, as many of us have been saying for years, not only is Hudson not great, he isn’t even average any longer. He’s just plain bad.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 4, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

COBBLED— sheesh, a lot of typos for one a few posts.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the write up, soco. As I’ve stated elsewhere, I’d like to give Roberts/Ryal a shot at 2B next year. I don’t think there’s much on the market of much interest and honestly think that they can perform at league average as a combination at the league minimum. Not bad.

Only one minor beef:

Ryan Roberts, on the other hand, seems to be largely flying under the radar. Now, none of his numbers are particularly impressive, we won’t be mistaking him for Dustin Pedroia anytime soon.

Believe it or not, Pedroia actually had an 814 OPS this year. I’m not sure anyone will be mistaking Pedroia for Pedroia (‘08) anytime soon. Honestly, I think ’08 was a fluke for Pedroia as he showed basically no power in the minors. I’m not saying Robers is his equal, but he’s not as far behind as some might think.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 4, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That's true

I suppose I meant it more in the “name recognition” sort of way, but your point still stands. The gap certainly has lessened.

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by soco on Oct 4, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt the D-Backs will ever consider the Reynolds move to 2B. But if he could successfully make the shift, it’s ridiculous the numbers he’s put up given the position. He’d be Jeff Kent in his prime good… and he’s have speed to boot.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 4, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

I dream of this.

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by soco on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

he’d have speed

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good article!

The UZR numbers suggest he’s a good fielder, but they should be taken with a grain of salt due to small sample sizes. UZR also doesn’t like Orlando Hudson, so make of that what you will. That said, I saw nothing to suggest he isn’t an above average fielder.

His batting numbers are very good for a 2B, he’s second on the team in OBP (2 points behind Upton) thanks to a great walk rate. He’s likely in for some regression next year, but if he puts up average defense and offense in 2B, he would be a very valuable guy, especially for $400000. Unless we can find another bargain like Lopez, we should stick with him and upgrade elsewhere (Rotation – 1B – LF – Bullpen).

by paqs on Oct 5, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd start him as a super utility man.

He doesn’t really have a great track record, so I’d bring in someone to take over at 2nd for now. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the 2010 season as the starting 2B though.

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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