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Your 2010 Diamondbacks: The First Projections

After a crappy season like the one just endured by Arizona fans, it's comforting to turn towards 2010, even before  the line is officially drawn under 2009 - the playoffs have largely become a buzzing sound in the background, with the best I can hope for, being that a team I don't hate wins the World Series. Bill James is clearly with me there: as has become tradition, the Bill James Handbook is the first of the projection systems to throw its hat into the ring for next year, and the publishers, Acta Sports, were kind enough to give us a look at the numbers for Arizona.

Think of this as an early Christmas present - it's as much designed to whet the appetite for the 'real' numbers to come next April, as anything else. That's especially the case for a generally young team like Arizona where, generally, we are looking for our players' stats to improve, simply through experience and maturity. After the jump, we'll take a look at the numbers projected for the 25 players currently most likely to be on the 2010 Diamondbacks roster, and see whether there is a shiny new truck or a lump of coal waiting for us under the tree.

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Obviously, these are astonishingly early projections, not just in terms of the numbers, but the playing time for the individuals concerned. Even I would be rash to try and project, for example, how the playing time in the outfied will be split up next season: the one just finished should be warning enough there [who had 120 games in their Gerardo Parra office pool?]. Hence, for each hitter below, I've listed the number of games projected, which will influence expectations for HR and RBI in particular. I've also given their 2009 OPS, for comparison - those marked with a * are based on less than 150 PAs. I've chosen the 13 position players I think are most likely to be significant parts for next season, and for whom we have projections.

Gms HR RBI OPS 2009
Brandon Allen 122 19 60 .823 *.669
Eric Byrnes 74 7 28 .735 .663
Stephen Drew 151 17 71 .792 .748
Conor Jackson 135 12 69 .807 *.516
Miguel Montero 132 18 69 .801 .832
Gerardo Parra 132 8 64 .779 .729
Mark Reynolds 153 40 107 .907 .892
Ryan Roberts 125 11 47 .785 .783
Rusty Ryal 50 4 15 764 *.946
Chris Snyder 78 9 34 .761 .685
Justin Upton 148 28 90 .904 .899
Josh Whitesell 46 4 13 .802 *.633
Chris Young 151 25 73 .789 .711

The most obvious omission is Tony Abreu, who was not listed - I think he's more likely to be on the Opening Day roster than Rusty Ryal. I also note that the games played may make sense for individuals, but do not necessarily do so in total. adding up the totals for Byrnes, Parra, Upton and Young, you get 505 games: even allowing for PH appearances, this pretty much maxes the outfield, without any room for Conor Jackson. Unless he's playing first, but Brandon Allen has 122 games there too... You see the issue, which is why I'm not going to bother adding up these numbers to reach any kind of team total.

Still, such caveats aside, this makes for encouraging reading on an individual level, with most players expected to improve their performance, or at least stay around the same level. As noted, this is no surprise, given most of our players are on the upside of the aging curve. James is particularly impressed by Allen, whose OPS is projected to be behind only Reynolds and Upton. That seems optimistic, though I am prejudiced by his struggles in 2009. Somewhat of a bounceback for Byrnes and Young: the former goes from entirely-sucky to poor, while the latter goes from fairly-sucky to about CF average [I like the idea of 25 homers], and is projected to outperform Parra, slightly.

Montero is the only player with any real regression, and the gap in performance over Snyder is expected to be much smaller, only forty points of OPS. Roberts, Reynolds and, perhaps surprisingly, Upton are projected to be very close to 2009 production. I say that for J-Up, mostly because of his age:  he's only 22 and, generally, players will improve significantly at that point, and so projecting no change feels conservative. If you discount the first two weeks of last season, Upton's OPS the rest of the way was .930,. and that may be a better starting point for his 2010 number. However, if you look at the ten 21-year olds whose OPS was closest to Upton's [a list that includes seven Hall of Famers!], their OPS at age 22 dropped fractionally, by eight points, so maybe we shouldn't expect too much.

Here are the projected pitching numbers. As with the hitters, I've selected a dozen for whom projections are available, who would seem to have a good shot at the roster. I did include Davis, even though I expect him to sign elsewhere; I certainly hope that whoever we do get as a replacement, provides around the same level of performance projected below.

IP W-L ERA 2009
Blaine Boyer 57 3-4 4.74 4.12
Billy Buckner 94 4-6 4.98 6.40
Daniel Cabrera 42 2-3 5.14 6.00
Doug Davis 202 11-12 4.46 4.12
Juan Gutierrez 68 3-4 4.76 4.06
Dan Haren 221 16-9 3.38 3.14
Yusmeiro Petit 105 6-6 4.37 5.82
Chad Qualls 50 3-2 3.42 3.63
Leo Rosales 47 3-2 3.83 4.76
Max Scherzer 180 11-9 3.80 4.12
Esmerling Vasquez 54 3-3 4.67 4.42
Brandon Webb 180 13-7 3.40 N/A

As with the hitters, there are a couple of names who appear unfairly omitted. Clay Zavada appears to have a bullpen spot locked down, and is more likely to be a part of the team in 2010 than Cabrera. - maybe Daniel Schlereth too, though there were no numbers available for him Bit more of a variation here than on the hitting; generally, the trend seems to be an overall regression towards the mean, with the good pitchers getting worse and the bad ones getting better. I would, however, be prepared to bet that Yusmeiro Petit will not have an ERA better than Doug Davis next season.

One major comfort is the expectation that Brandon Webb will return almost to his normal level of productivity - James gives Webb thirty starts, and an ERA almost identical to that projected in 2008 (3.39) and 2009 (3.36), so appears to have no qualms about the surgery - though s hard to say how much such things play into these estimates. The numbers have him and Haren forming an impressive 1-2 punch for Arizona: worth nothing that less than a handful of NL pitchers are forecast to win over 15 games [Lincecum, Wainwright, Santana].It seems the W-L records are, as usual, conservative; makes sense, since these things depend heavily on the runs scored by a pitcher's team-mates.

I would project Buckner and Gutierrez to do better than the James numbers; on the other hand, Petit and Rosales will be doing very well if they can produce as expected. It's good to see James sees Scherzer as improving next year. If he joins Dan and Brandon at 3.80 or below, that would put us in very good shape, since only two teams in the majors had three such qualifying starters in 2009 (the Cubs and Cardinals), and few played in a hitter-friendly park like Chase. Finally, in case you're counting, adding up those W-L records gives us a total of 145 decisions and a team record of 78-67. I think we'd settle for that at the middle of September next year.

For the full projections, which are a lot more detailed than the numbers here, and for all the other goodies therein, you'll need to buy the book. It comes out on November 1st from Acta Sports and can be ordered through their website.

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Mariners fan?

Sorry, I had to. Nice that I have this reputation for wanting the guy sent out ASAP…

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Oct 24, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before we get excited

Bill James has by far the most optimistic projections. I don’t have a lot of time right now, but he predicted big seasons from Drew, Young, and others, differing significantly from other projections.

by paqs on Oct 22, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

On the other hand

He was the only one of the major systems to project more than 28 HR and 90 RBI for Mark… Didn’t seem all THAT out of line with the others for Young and Drew, especially given the latter was coming off an .835 season.

Young:
Bill James: .255/.325/.480 (.805), 26 HR, 86 RBI
Chone: .260/.336/.482 (.818), 25 HR, 88 RBI
Marcel: .251/.317/.452 (.769), 23 HR, 78 RBI
Oliver: .240/.306/.446 (.752), 28 HR
ZIPS: .254/.319/.484 (..803), 30 HR, 93 RBI

Drew:
Bill James: .279/.336/.470 (.806), 19 HR, 66 RBI
Chone: .276/.340/.451 (.791), 16 HR, 66 RBI
Marcel: .277/.334/.461 (.795), 16 HR, 61 RBI
Oliver: .264/.315/.436 (.751), 18 HR
ZIPS: .274/.327/.449 (.776), 17 HR, 80 RBI

But, yeah, he basically tends to be the most optimistic, at least with regard to the hitters. Seems to err the other way on the pitchers, on a spot check.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 22, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other OTHER hand

Looking at them broadly, they do seem almost always to be above the average of the four main systems on the hitting side – not so much for pitching, which is odd, because you’d think someone would have to be allowing all those runs! From what I’ve heard, there’s also an issue with the minor-league equivalencies which is why they love the likes of Brandon Allen. We all know exactly how much faith to put in Reno numbers [but what do we do with the rest of the postage stamp?]

Someone needs to do a head-to-head-to-head-to-head comparison of the projection systems – not been able to find one done recently. Oh, well: for the moment, let’s just go with cheerful optimism, as unfounded as it may be!

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting piece at fangraphs.com

Which discusses the run environments used by the projection systems.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-projections/

Marcel is set for runs per 27 outs of 4.7. So, that would put Chone at 4.8. I’m fine with that. James is 8 or 12 wOBA ahead of Marcel, which would make his run environment around 5.0 runs per game.

So it looks like the James projections are based on a more hitterish environment than the other numbers. It may not seem a big difference, but over the course of a season it’s about 30-40 runs per team, which is definitely significant.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youngs

Facial hair in that pic is just stupid looking.

I laugh until my head comes off.

by edbigghead on Oct 22, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

that’s kinda unfortunate.

I don't think this has ever happened before. The Redskins suck, yet the (Arizona) Cardinals and (University of Arizona) Wildcats don't.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Petit has an ERA below 4.50 next season

I will dance naked through my dorm.* I’ll film it and sent it to you all. I PROMISE this. There’s no way that junkballer like Petit will ever have that much success. Given that his junk isn’t even Jon Garland level, he won’t ever have better-than-Jon-Garland numbers. Just an opinion…

*in at least 50 innings pitched.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Oct 24, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to say

I can’t think of a better reason to want Petit to have an ERA of 4.51 or higher than this.

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 24, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 25, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

But nice. Props. A hesitant +1.

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Oct 26, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dbacks 2nd baseman

I would choose Ryal over Abreu, but I can understand that the Dbacks need to see what Abreu can do, I hope he chokes

by sportzphan on Oct 25, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope he chokes?

Uncool. The kid’s better and younger than Ryal…

Most Depressing Math Question Ever courtesy of Probability class: "Clark and Anthony are two old friends. Let A be the event that Clark will attend Anthony's funeral. Let B be the event that Anthony will attend Clark's funeral. Are A and B independent? Why or why not?"

by IHateSouthBend on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope he chokes?

Uh, okay. That seems like a pretty odd attitude- any particular reason why?

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you

a Dodgers fan?

I don't think this has ever happened before. The Redskins suck, yet the (Arizona) Cardinals and (University of Arizona) Wildcats don't.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow....

imagine what we could do next year with seven guys in double digits for HRs.

I don't think this has ever happened before. The Redskins suck, yet the (Arizona) Cardinals and (University of Arizona) Wildcats don't.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 27, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

we could be

Philly Lite!

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 27, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rockies

were like that this year too, I believe.

I don't think this has ever happened before. The Redskins suck, yet the (Arizona) Cardinals and (University of Arizona) Wildcats don't.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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