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"Let's accept this free agent class for what it is - full of interesting players with a real chance to outplay the contracts they receive... Rich Harden can be one of the best pitchers in baseball when he's on the mound and throwing strikes, but his long injury history is going to limit him to a short term deal. He's far from the only talented starting pitcher with injury concerns - Ben Sheets, Erik Bedard, Kelvim Escobar, John Smoltz, Justin Duchscherer, Brett Myers, and Randy Johnson are all probably looking at one year deals at rates that will be a fraction of what they would get if they were coming off healthy seasons."

Looks like we'll have at least one open slot in the rotation for 2010. Any of the free-agents listed above appeal? Or are there any others you feel we should be chasing?

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bleh

i’ve been hoping the front office would target at least one of piniero, duchscherer, calero for the pitching side. lackey would sure be nice, but other teams will probably be willing to pay more, eh?

after reading that article, i’m curious about carlos delgado. what is the liklihood of josh ‘kicking the tires’ on him, or him being able to help the club both off the bench with his bat and that ‘veteran presence’ in the clubhouse that piecoro is advocating, i wonder. i don’t even remember what kind of injury he went down with though. :/

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Oct 14, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this

makes me sound like i don’t know calero is a relief pitcher. i do. i want him in the arizona bullpen if he appears healthy.

like a tornado hitting a jelly bean factory on Halloween.

by leemellon on Oct 14, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say

Calero’s full name makes him sound like he’s actually an Orca.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have Rich Harden

He’s really good. Bedard and Smoltz worry me a bit, Sheets is probably going to be too expensive. Duchscherer is good but he’s a bit unproven as a starter. He’d be good slotted behind Scherzer. (Plus they rhyme!)

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Oct 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Randy, please retire.

You have 300 wins. Your career makes you a no-brainer 1st ballot hall of famer. The arm is gone and you’re set for life financially. Please don’t replace our memories of you dominating with memories of you struggling and embarrassing yourself on the field.

by TAP on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Jerry Rice as a Seahawk?

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Michael Jordan as a Wizard.

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 15, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Michael Jordan as a baseball player.

http://somewhereforustofindtonight.blogspot.com/

by pepperdinedevil on Oct 15, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forget

that Jerry Rice was a Bronco.

by Hizilla on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow....

apparently, he was?

He didn’t make the team though, did he?

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

He wasn’t going to get much playing time, so he retired during the preseason.

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 15, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still

a handful of Broncos Jerry Rice jerseys around the stadium though. Anyway, i’ll add something worthwhile here. Agree with TAP he should probably retire, but if he want’s to suck for the Giants I’m all for making them worse.

by Hizilla on Oct 15, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is,

assuming the Giants offer him another year.

When you put it like that, yeah. I hope he keeps pitching for them.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to MLBTradeRumors

The Giants are expecting him to retire.

But that was from Bob Nightengale, who also says the Rays are going to trade Upton, so I have to once again doubt the rumor and consider that Nightengale is full of crap.

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we

trading Stephen Drew for BJ Upton according to him?

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno guys

pitching usually comes at a premium, I understand wanting the team to compete, but what kind of arm can we really afford? I think our lineup looks kinds like this 1b- jackson/allen, 2b abreu/ryal/roberts ss drew 3b reynolds, c montero, lf jackson/parra cf youbng and rf upton. Unless someone really wows them, I think that looks the most likely at this juncture. with guys like roberts, snyder, parra, allen and romero being the backups

as for the guys on the hill, we have webb, Haren, Scherzer, and a possibility of someone amongst buckner/petit/mulvey for the #5 slot. with one of those goes doing long relief duty along with vasquez, guittierrez, qualls, zavada and schlereth and perhaps rosales comes back as well.

If we’re not spending enywhere else other than renewing contracts, how much is in the bank for another arm?

Is it likely that the team releases some of these pieces or moves on, say for example, someone like snyder being dealt, if so to where or for whom?

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 14, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to estimates

From Nick Piecoro, “The team could have around $20 million to address the bullpen, a vacancy in the rotation and perhaps add a veteran position player.”

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so is it wiser?

to spend it up front and fill a perceived hole or would it be wiser to wait and see how the team develops before making a move? I like the idea of paying for performance, i.e. incentive laden contracts but in this market, what is available? In a way, I think out of who we’ve seen, I think Piniero might be the wisest investment if we go up front and get someone from the start.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 15, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only problem there is that the team generally doesn’t do incentive laden deals.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 16, 2009 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Would like to see either

Duchscherer or Harden on reasonable, incentive-based deals. Sheets is also someone I’d like to see, but I think he will have a higher price tag.

http://somewhereforustofindtonight.blogspot.com/

by pepperdinedevil on Oct 15, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey that's what I said ;)

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Oct 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just as a general reminder,

J.Byrnes almost never gives out incentive-based contracts.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But has done so

Where players have been coming back from injury, which is exactly the scenario we are discussing here. See Tom Gordon and Jeff Salazar for details.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 15, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which was my thought process

http://somewhereforustofindtonight.blogspot.com/

by pepperdinedevil on Oct 15, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I knew Tom Gordon, but I didn’t know Sally was inked to an incentives-based contract.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mistake

It was the other fourth outfielder, Jeff DaVanon

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, yeah.

THAT I remember.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeahhh ok I was gonna say

Sally’s too young for that.

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Oct 15, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to ink Duchscherererer

to a short-term deal. I know he struggled the entire year to get healthy, but a full offseason might be just the elixir he needed.

by Azreous on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Byrnes

likes your thinking.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus how fun would it be

to spell that name in the GDT? :D

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Oct 15, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

If I learned to spell Schoeneweis, I can learn to spell Duchscherer.

"Spam headline: 'YOU ARE CHOSEN!' Oh, Morpheus, you're getting pretty lazy."
"Or they are informing you you are Jewish in a very lame conversion campaign."
"In either case, sending me spam is not the way to invite me to Zion."

by kishi on Oct 15, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schoeneweis was easy.

No double letters, and gotta remember the “ene”.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Davis.

I agree with the sentiments here: Davis, Duchscherer, Harden, Sheets are all interesting at the right price.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 16, 2009 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Problem is

I think Davis may be more expensive than he is “worth”. I don’t know if be can be relied upon to repeat his phenomenal performance with RISP this year – Davis allowed a LOT of base-runners this season, and it was only his “clutchiness” which stopped his ERA from being close to five. I think we’ll be more likely to go for someone who was “unlucky,” and that depresses his market- value.

"Win, or die" -- Marquise de Merteuil

by Jim McLennan on Oct 16, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few things:
1) I’m not wed to the idea of bringing DD back. O we can do better, then that is great.
2) Despite DD’s good #s, I still don’t think he’s going to command a big contract due to his age, WHIP, and K rate.
3) While I wouldn’t project DD to be able to duplicate the kind of numbers he put up this year, I do think he’s a rare pitcher who actually somehow does manage to throw better with runners on and can succeed with a high WHIP.
4) I do like DD and, if we’re given a reasonable offer, I’d like to have him
back.
5) I still think the market conditions are going to be similar to last year. I’d suspect only the best of the best retain their value.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 17, 2009 1:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps we ought to talk numbers and what we think we’d do for each of these guys.

"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. " ~Greg, age 8

by njjohn on Oct 17, 2009 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

Double D, for his career, w/ RISP: BABIP .298, opponents’ OPS+ 88
w/ bases empty: BABIP .317, opponents’ OPS+ 108

Not really sure what to make of that.

I have a shrine dedicated to Mark Reynolds, wherein I keep his bobblehead, signed baseball, and jersey T-shirt.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 20, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with almost almost all of these names

Is that absolutely none of them can stay healthy. So if you have a guy who in the first week of the season suffers an injury, then you’re stuck trying to decide what to do for the rest of the season, as well as when the season ends and you’re considering retaining him. A.k.a. the Webb Fiasco pt. II. As much as he tries, I don’t want to see Yusmeiro Petit start for us ever again. Maybe in three years if he can add four MPH to the gun. MAYBE. So that means that I’d rather keep Sheets, Duchscherer, and Harden as far away from this team as possible. Which brings me to Doug Davis. Yeah, the numbers can be scary once you look at the details, but the bottom line for me is that he’s always been able to step it up if need be (I always will remember down the stretch in I think ‘07 when he was phenomenal when he had to step into essentially a #2 role – specifically a great game against the Dodgers when he shut them out IIRC), and he always can be counted on to go out and throw every fifth day. He doesn’t completely blow out his arm because he doesn’t really put that much strain on it throwing in the low-80’s. For a team next year that’s rebuilding, we don’t need to take a flier on a guy who might be great, because then what do we get? A compensatory draft pick? That’s only if we offer arbitration, and in this market, that’s a significant risk even in the best-case scenario, because I for one do not imagine us competing if only we add one more SP. Bring back Davis for a few years (2 or 3), have Haren and Scherzer (because we really have no other choice), then put Buckner and one of Mulvey, Valdez, or Augenstein, and see what you get.

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by IHateSouthBend on Oct 18, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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