No Hall of Fame for Matty, Mark and Jay
It's probably not a shock, but there'll be no need for acceptance speeches by any of the Diamondbacks on this year's Hall of Fame ballot. Though at least they got some votes, which is more than can be said for most of the former Diamondbacks who have reached the ballot, such as Devon White and Bobby Witt. Indeed, I believe the only D-back for whom X marked the spot was Todd Stottlemyre, who received one vote in the 2008 ballot. This year, while there was a positive landslide in comparison, our franchise players still fell far short of the 75% needed for election. That was only reached in this year's results by Rickie Henderson (94.8%) and Jim Rice (76.4%).
On the ballot this time for Arizona were several members of the 2001 World Series team, headed by Mark Grace, who received 22 votes, or 4.1% of the vote. Matt Williams got seven votes (1.3%) and Jay Bell got a couple of ballots (0.4%). Dan Plesac, who appeared for the Diamondbacks in 1999 and 2000 and is sixth on the career list for games by a pitcher (1,064), was also on the ballot but received no votes. Unfortunately, the number of votes received means that none of the Diamondbacks made the 5% cutoff, needed for them to get another shot in 2010. So the only way Mark Grace will get into Cooperstown, is if he buys a ticket. :-) Next year will see Roberto Alomar and Shane "One-inning wonder" Reynolds on the ballot, so we'll see if they have any more luck - Alomar will likely be the closest yet.
On the rest of the ballot, Ricky Henderson was a lock, though I'm surprised he wasn't closer to a unanimous choice than he came - by my math, that's almost 30 people who decided he didn't deserve to get in, despite ten All-Star appearances, 3,055 hits, a career OPS+ of 127 and 468 more stolen-bases than anyone else in the history of the game. It's nice to see people holding the Hall of Fame to very high standards, but really... Rice is perhaps slightly more borderline, but has been at 50% or more every year since 2000, and became the first player elected in his final year of eligibility since Ralph Kiner in 1975. One wonders what, exactly, changed the minds of almost half the voters between 1999, his fifth year on the ballot, when he got only 29.4%, and now. They're the first LFs to get in since Yastrzemski in 1989.
The interesting one is Mark McGwire, whose percentage of support was marginally decreased, from 23.6% last season, to 21.9% today. That's ten voters who decided he was no longer a decent candidate and, while it keeps him on the ballot for 2010, it's going to be an uphill struggle for him.
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Randy Johnson
will be the first and only Diamondback in the HOF for many years to come. If Webb were to continue to dominate (could happen) and extend with AZ (“ain’t gonna happen”) he could be #2. I don’t see any other Diamondbacks joining in the next dozen years.
by TAP on Jan 12, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone will ever be a fully unanimous member of the Hall of Fame
If only because there’ll be a sports writer who think, “Well, Hank Aaron/Ted Williams/Nolan Ryan/whoever didn’t get a unanimous vote, and if they didn’t get it, Ricky Henderson/Greg Maddux/Randy Johnson/whoever doesn’t deserve it either, so I’ll vote no just to make sure it doesn’t happen.”
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 12, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, semi-related
I was watching the 1989 AL playoffs on MLB Network today, the As versus the Blue Jays. Man, I had forgotten just how different Mark McGwire looked back then.
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 12, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On that note
I see Matty’s two dentists voted.
by TAP on Jan 12, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody
wants to be the first one, unfortunately. I could see a player like Alex Rodriguez having a chance at going in unanimous depending on how he ends his career, but it would take a player with that talent level.
Please, say that you care, or say that you think that I'm... beautiful.
by soco on Jan 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
There’d still be some idiot who claims, “BUT AROD WUZ TEH SUCK IN TEH PLAYOFFS LOLZ!!!!!!!!”
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 12, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
I’d love to hear some explanations for people who don’t vote for a guy like Nolan Ryan or Hank Aaron to get into the Hall of Fame, or A-Rod when he’s eligible.
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 13, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My pleasant surprises include:
McGwire 22%, despite MLB’s campaign to suggest PEDs are best ignored by the BBWAA
Gracie 4%, off the ballot…I thought he’d get closer to 10
Unpleasant surprise:
Raines 23%, this will rise but he’s got a long way to go
I’ve long seen Rice as the weakest position player enshrined by BBWAA since Brock in 1985. Tony Perez (2000) also seems comparable to Rice, imo. For that matter, so does Spud Chandler ;-)
Thank you for letting me talk
by Diamondhacks on Jan 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But
RICE PLAEYED FOR TEH RED SOCKS LOLZ!!!!!!!!
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 12, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh
the Orioles just signed Robby Hammock!! I can see the Dodgers getting closer to the NL West title next year already! You guys are falliing apart. :)
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
just as long as he wasn’t signed by the Giants. For when the Powers of Randy Johnson and Robby Hammock combine, it produces Perfect Games.
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol,
I remember that game. No, now Hammock’s powers must combine with…. um… Jeremy Guthrie.. .to produce… um… replacement level?
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 13, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
None of the above
I haven’t seen one compelling reason as to why any of the above mentioned players are deserving. Unless the requirements have changed, I fail to see how being a lush and from the ladies POV, having a cute ass (Mark Grace) are deserving of HoF consideration.
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 13, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Grace
Grace will get in some day, but Randy will be the first D-Back. I think all of the stuff about Williams and steriods this last year will keep him out of the Hall.
by Bawalla on Jan 13, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
based on what?
he wont be there
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure on Grace
Maybe the Veteran’s Committee would vote him in?
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 13, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So
throwing a great party is all it takes to get in nowadays? Pete Rose better get busy planning then.
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 13, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he technically has a chance
Pre-2007, if you got less than 5% of the vote, you were permanently disbarred from consideration by the Veteran’s Committee.But given they haven’t elected any post-war players since 2001, I wouldn’t be holding my breath for Grace to make it. Of course, he’s off future regular ballots.
by Jim McLennan on Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Future Hall of Famer...
Chris Burke just signed with the Padres!
I can’t believe we didn’t offer him arbitration!!!
by Counsellmember on Jan 13, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, there aren't many places he can go where he'd be an offensive upgrade
But he may have just found it…
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 13, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either that,
or his artificially Chase Field-enhanced numbers in 2008 will be even worse at PetCo in 2009….
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 14, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Start printing the NL Central Championship t-shirts now
The Astros signed Russ Ortiz.
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 13, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let it go...
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 13, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 13, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
"That's a cop-out, and you know it, and it breaks my heart into a thousand pieces that we ain't gonna save America with your blog today."
by kishi on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been on our team for a couple of years now.
Unless he is a terrorist, molesting children and/or pets, or a conservative, I just don’t get the hatred for him.
I’m looking at the clown who brought him in instead. You know, the one who is trying to rid himself of all ties to the DBacks?
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH,
we don’t have any proof that he is NOT a terrorist, molesting children and/or pets, or conservative. In fact, he might be all of the above. And you want to stick up for him? How does it feel to hate freedom, eh boss??
Ya see? This is how rumors get started. Russ Ortiz is a member of a terrorist organization, totally a chomo, and is a card-carrying member of the John Birch Society. Spread the word.
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 14, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick note --
obviously, he can’t hold a candle to Randy Winn, but even so….
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 14, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 14, 2009 4:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But c'mon....
that’s a really stupid standard to use. That’s like saying Than Shwe isn’t as bad as Pol Pot. It might be true, but it’s not really saying much.
Don’t you remember all those awful things Randy Winn did??
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 14, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you may have a point there
those were some hideous things Mr. Winn pulled.
If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Next to Randy Winn, even Usama ibn Laden looks good.
"Of course, it’s downright frightening to imagine how two Adam Dunns would turn the double play." - Joe Posnanski
by DbacksSkins on Jan 14, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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