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Gameday Thread, #143: 9/8 vs. Giants

Arizona Diamondbacks at San Francisco Giants, Sep 8, 2008 10:15 PM EDT


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Yusmeiro Petit
RHP, 3-4, 3.44

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Tim Lincecum
RHP, 15-3, 2.60

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After the wretched performance over the weekend, Yusmeiro Petit vs. Tim Lincecum is the mismatch we are looking at tonight. And while we face the man who is perhaps the Cy Young front-runner, the Dodgers get to take on the Padres - in a series where they manage to dodge both Peavy and Young. Yes, it is time to invoke supernatural powers and pray to the blessed spirit of St. Penelope of the Cross, as we certainly need something to help the Diamondbacks rescue the season. The past week has seen a mix of poor starting pitching, questionable managerial tactics, impotent clutch offense, unreliable bullpen work and inept defense: basically a perfect storm of incompetence. Are we really that bad?

Well, since the start of April, yes: 51-63. Basically, Arizona have been a ninety-loss team outside of that opening month, coasting through the season like a scholar who guessed right on all the questions of the semester's opening multiple-choice quiz, and decided they were naturally brilliant, so that was all the work they needed to do. Now, it's the finals, and we just spent the weekend before them, down at Rocky Point, discovering the joys of tequila. Now, we have a monstrous hangover and are gazing at a paper covered in incomprehensible squiggles. Yep: divine intervention is probably our best hope right now. Sure, the season isn't over, but our fate is out of our hands: we needs the Dodgers to stop winning as well as for our own players to pull out of this massive collective funk.

in the past thirteen games, we have scored a total of 41 runs and are batting .222 with an OPS of .660. In eight of those contests, we have been held to two runs or fewer. On the other hand, we have conceded 76 runs, with opponents enjoying a line of .302/.374/.500, for an OPS of .874 - that's two hundred and fourteen points better than the Diamondbacks. We haven't just lost these games, we have been comprehensively thrashed. And it shows: you just needed to look in the dugout over the Los Angeles series - I haven't seen such a collection of depressed body-language since the last Joy Division convention. There's no fight, no spark, no life: we might as well be rolling out nine zombies.

So, I am not optimistic. But, hey, it's baseball and if the team is going to go down, I intend to stay the course and send them off with a rousing rendition of Nearer My God to Thee, as the lifeboats sail away. Anyone got an ice-bucket?

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thank goodness

I have the D-Backs and TWO MNF games to help assuage the misery of my return to the Kingdom of the Single last night.

…. then again, given our recent play, there may not be much assuaging. (Is that a word?)

Regardless, I’m right here with you, Cap’n.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 8, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm all in

I live and breathe DBacks baseball. I ain’t going anywhere.
I’ll rant and rave, but they ain’t gonna chase me away that easily.

All we need know is for Celine Dion to stand up and sing, “My Heart Will go on”….

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's be honest here.

This is exactly the kind of game the Diamondbacks will win. They’ve just been that maddening over the past couple weeks. Somehow we’ll get to Lincecum, Petit will give us a quality start and the Dodgers will lose, and we’ll be a 1/2 game out.

It all just makes too much sense. Can’t get any offense, can’t get good starts from Webb/Haren, Johnson misses a start…so of course we beat a Cy Young candidate.

Call me crazy, but it all works in my head.

by Azreous on Sep 8, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Tonight's line-up
  1. S. Drew ss .285
  2. C. Young cf .244
  3. A. Dunn 1b .242
  4. C. Jackson lf .294
  5. M. Reynolds 3b .241
  6. M. Montero c .272
  7. J. Upton rf .244
  8. A. Ojeda 2b .243
  9. Y. Petit p .000

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

yay

I know it’s not always the best result, but somehow it makes me happy to see Li’l Augie in the lineup.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the other guys
  1. D. Roberts lf .221
  2. R. Winn rf .311
  3. P. Sandoval 1b .364
  4. B. Molina c .285
  5. R. Aurilia 3b .280
  6. A. Rowand cf .273
  7. E. Burriss 2b .278
  8. O. Vizquel ss .195
  9. T. Lincecum p .172

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Jim, I know looking at that photo of Penelope makes you guys dizzy, but it’s the Dodgers playing the Padres, not the Giants!

Go D’backs!!!

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Duly correc… oh, isn’t she cute? :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's do this

This season has felt like a last stand to me for quite a while- hence my picture. But we’re not out of it yet. Maybe these guys’ll realize they’re in second place now, and that their apathetic play isn’t enough to get them to the playoffs. Maybe, just maybe they’ll step it up now, and show some of the fight that they’ve been lacking.

Yeah, and maybe I’m a Chinese jet pilot…

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm ready

it’s past 10 PM Eastern time, and I have a chem test at 8:00 tomorrow morning, but I’m going to be around for this one. Besides, how much worse can it get?

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Good at-bat by Young

Fouls off some tough pitches against a pitcher he has had very little success, and we get a man into scoring position.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s good to see that Young showed his raw power on a pretty good pitch

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see him turn around a fastball after spoling the offspeed stuff – something he couldnt do v Kershaw

by Diamondhacks on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn

Taking strikes one and two on fastballs. Hmm… If those weren’t deemed worthy of swinging at, I wonder what he’s waiting for?

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that wasn't it

Dunn goes down swinging. Up to Jackson…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile...

Padres 2-0 up on the Dodgers in the first.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

thank you Greg Maddux!

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least it wasn't a strikeout

But the end result is the same.

0-for-2 with runners in scoring position.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kid’s stuff looks like Pedro’s did in his hey day. Wow.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got the same body type and unorthodox mechanics. Lincecum impresses me more and more each time I see him pitch.

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, let's see what the Petit Unit can do

See how long he can match zeros with the Small Wonder.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a mid 90’s throw back match up: Petit Unit v. Petit Pedro

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish

Petit could live up to that name

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

made me laugh

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 8, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walks Winn

Now we’ll see what newcomer Sandoval is up to.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Solid enough

Threw quite a lot of pitches – 20 – but Lincecum threw 18, so it’s not far off even.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Still

I’d like to see Petit go at least 6 innings, because I still have absolutely no trust in our bullpen at this point.

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

soco's keys to the game

1) Work on some homework
2) Ponder if the Bills are for real or not
3) Dessert?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

concerning #1

I will be up all night doing the same. Have two exams already this week.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zoiks!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I won’t mention what time my day started today!

Working fulltime and going to school is starting to wear me down.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you work in

a trip to the grocery store for me? I really don’t want to go out again tonight.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could someone get some

sleep for me?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make mine

a double.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

I’m already home…

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone hit the jukebox!

seems to be stuck again!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seven behind Howard

Looks like Reynolds is intent on narrowing the gap tonight.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds + Lincecum = Sombrero City

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you say

that we have a plethora of pinatas?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are gringos falling from the sky?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

really funny stuff guys…

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least MarK

went down swinging. the other two strike out looking

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch

Five strikeouts in two innings.

If Lincecum wins the Cy Young, I would really be hard pushed to argue that Webb was robbed.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If Webb gets it going again and ends up

winning 3 more games (and lowers his ERA) than Lincecum, then what would you think?

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

22 wins would give it to Webb

Assuming Lincecum has 18 or so. But Lincecum looks likely to have an edge in ERA, though you do need to take park factors into account, which helps Webb.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincecum should win it not Webb.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldberg & Osborne

Dedicated to helping people after an accident.

For 33% of the proceeds.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

But they

have a very trustworthy mascot.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greatest moments in D-backs history, #13

Schilling beats the Cardinals in the 2001 playoffs. Seems a bit “bleh” to me.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I would NOT

recommend a trip over the the DBacks MLB message board.

and that is all I will say

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ooh!

You know I have to go over there now. Any particular topics I should not be looking at? :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The obligitory

Mark Grace for manager thread for one. Though, I would like to see that resume for Grace the author is touting…

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of garbage

from dodger trolls. Kinda like “AZWILDCAT gone WILD”.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’m kind of curious, but I’m good.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case

I think I’ll pass. I can easily imagine what that’s like: those boards are not exactly a haven of intelligent debate at the best of times.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the thread

“you need to worry about the rockies more than the dodgers thread” though it is more funny than maddening.

A lot of lemmings running for the cliff on that site the past month

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

at least Petit made it an extra inning more than timmy before giving up the first hit. (okay, grasping at straws

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Phew

Couple of hard-hit balls off Petit – including a decent swat by Lincecum – but what matters is the zero.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitch count after two:

Petit 33

Lincecum 31

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Solid lead off single for Augie!!!

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

And erased

by a long bunt from Petit.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh… maybe THAT is why we call him Petit Unit — b/c of his bat handling skillZ

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a poor bunt

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petit’s a crappy bunter

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Could certainly argue Vizquel was pulled off the bag by the throw.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The was ONE Dback fan at

yesterdays game behind home plate and I could him him yell the same thing when Augie came up.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the little things that matter…

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A loud out for Wolf.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

It cracks me up that you still call him Wolf… and do so without another soul in the universe following suit.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

red socks beat tampa

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

+100

Come on, Tampa, I’ve already got one expansion team disappointing me this year…

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

satan himself

is up to bat

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

and singles

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

followed by another

score:

the gnats 1
DBacks 0

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back-to-back-to-back hits

Gives the Giants the lead. Do you think we can score one run off Lincecum?

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

1-0 Giants

Come on, Petit, how about a double play here?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That?

Was definitely not a double play.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petit has grooved a few pitches so far in their 3rd.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

3-0 Giants

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

And.... game

The long-ball off Petit kills us.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Annnnd no replay

probably wouldn’t have been overturned, oh well.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

That sucks

that only the crew chief can call for a replay.

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Someone has to call it, and that wasn’t even really close.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

this is worse than a root canal

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

rewind this tape

I wanna rewrite how this inning has gone so far

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

At least one of my teams is winning in the bay area right now.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Oakland up?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

or you a Cards fan?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

Broncos fan. They’re up 7-0, and threatening to score.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't realize you liked the Broncos too.

Then again, I so rarely pay attention.

I liked them locking up Williams for the next five years.

by Azreous on Sep 9, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind! Just checked the profile

LOL! I see you are a Broncos fan.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey look… an OWT… err, how do you spell that again?

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

R-O-L-A-I-D-S

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

R-E-Y-N-O-L-D-S

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 8, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad!

I was thinking of how do you spell “Relief”.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

B-U-L-L-P-E-N

Wait, what was the question?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Maybe Lincecum will wear himself out standing there on base.

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the way our luck has been

An infield hit for the pitcher to load the bases after the intentional walk.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm trying to stay positive

But on occasion, I just wonder if we’re allowed to concede the rest of the season.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

If we keep giving up early runs and can’t get any hits, we don’t have to worry about the bullpen losing games for us.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

 planning ahead

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Ginoboli

batting right now?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

5-0

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

With a walk

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 8, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

[Sigh]

And that’s it for Petit.

And, I think, for me.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again!!?

Words fail me. The best I have is “Arggh!”

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walking in runs is bad mmmky???

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Petit Unit, you are following in a long line

of starters who now suck on this team. Congratulations!

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude just felt left out

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor kid

falling in with a bad crowd like that.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice stab by Reynolds!!!

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That'll show the Giants!

Oh, you didn’t mean literally. Ahem.

Yeah, good play!

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, do we

actually have a pitching coach? He didn’t just leave and prop a cardboard cutout in his chair, did he?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 8, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice play by Reynolds

But the word “irrelevant” comes to mind for this one.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s hope that Timmy is stiff from the long half inning.

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wishful thinking I guess.

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all we have now.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last win for a starter besides Davis

was Webb on Aug. 21. Strangely, Qualls got 2 wins against St. Louis.

by TwinnerA on Sep 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That change has Dunn fooled.

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I fixed it for you

That change has Dunn everyone fooled.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice single for Reynolds!

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice range by Reynolds.

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Padres 4-0 up

So it’s looking like we won’t lose any ground. However, with us now being behind, every game off the schedule where we don’t narrow the gap, now works against us…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Solid lead off single for J-Up to start our 5th!!

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

That 0-0 to Augie looked a bit high to me.

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap

Nice play at second there.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice defense by Vizquel

To get the double-play.

Wish we could turn plays like that.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

or turn them

with some semblence of consistency….

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I just saw

Celine Dion warming up on deck.

I guess that ice berg did some damage

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh

Eckstein standing next to Rauch = comedy

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

If Lincecum gets the win

He’ll have more than a quarter of his team’s wins. Anyone know the last time a Cy Young winner had that?

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

So

Basically, not in the days of the five-man rotation.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 8, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just a guess, btw,

since he kinda set the standard at 45%. I’m pretty sure there’s someone more recent

by Diamondhacks on Sep 8, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

1990 Bob Welch

27 Wins, 26%

I’m just trying to remember some high win totals. 25% is impressive, but I’m guessing it’s been done several times

by Diamondhacks on Sep 8, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Hallady

2003, he had 22 wins, the Blue Jays had 86 on the season.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Randy Johnson just missed it in 2002.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

Dontrelle didn’t win the Cy Young.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, cy young winners then

disregard the question below.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good catch

I think you win the prize, with Halladay. At least until Cliff Lee – and maybe Lincecum – join the club :- )

Also, Smoltz 1996 24W, 25%

by Diamondhacks on Sep 9, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Randy in 2004

what was that?

Or did the win total we achieved that year make it irrelevant?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had 16 of our 42 wins

A tragic 38%.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had 51 wins

And he didn’t win the Cy Young.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say...

I knew that season was god-awful, but 120 losses? lol

by Azreous on Sep 9, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops

Wins, Games Back, it’s all the same, right?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

and a 2.60 ERA

But he also had 14 losses. Plagued by little to no run support.

by TwinnerA on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitch count after five:

Lincecum 70

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolf just pulled off a Vizquel like double play!

by foulpole on Sep 8, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

damn

can we get a pitcher to the middle innings anymore? Outside of Max yesterday, seems like it’s been several games since that’s last happened.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

and we are on our THIRD

pitcher already?

Blink anymore and you miss alot

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet

You don’t feel like you’re missing anything worthwhile.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm back to watching football highlights now

I like anytime the kicker throws for a touchdown- soco, the Bills win my stamp of approval for today.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 8, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just

going back and watching the Tivo on that.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 9, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lincecum has thrown 82 pitches through 6.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

and we are on our 3rd pitcher of the game

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.

So my hunch was completely wrong.

I guess that’s what I get for giving the Aug/Sep Diamondbacks a shred of credit.

by Azreous on Sep 9, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Reynolds has layed off two low and away pitches in this PA.

Wow!

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Solid single for Reynolds!

Nice PA

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be more impressed when he lays off the high fastballs with any consistency.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a sucker for the low and away stuff.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds?

I keep seeing him swing at stuff chest high. Low and away is more Chris Young’s eternal weak spot.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

our 5th hit if the night

top of the 7th though and hits are few and very far between

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Now a wild pitch for Timmy.

Let’s hope that he is shook.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

hell

I’m shook up that MarK got a hit!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

3rd base!

we gots a runner on 3rd base!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

and our 20 year old RFer

pops up to 1st

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just when

I’m tempted to fuss about having to face Lincecum after the Dodgers, the fact we’ve gagged against the softest schedule in all of baseball, to date, is rather bracing.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

With his recent slump?

It’s pretty likely. Unless he turns it around brilliantly in his last few starts, and Lincecum slumps, he’s probably not getting the Cy Young this year.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What kishi said

It’s not fair to “write off” four or five guys, in the sense there’s still a number of games to play, and we’ve seen how dramatically the race can shift in just the past couple weeks. So, Brandon still has a chance.

But after tonight, it’s a fairly small chance, and more importantly, it’s not his award to lose anymore. It’s Lincecum’s. Regardless of what the Bill James tool may say. Sabathia and Dempster are also legitimate candidates.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 9, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The “Bill James tool?”

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That tool looks a little rusty too me.

;-)

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

4th pitcher

of the game

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

another run

gnats – 6
us – getting skunked

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

deja vu

seems like I’ve seen this inning before…….

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

except for THAT part!

lol!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 9, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

6-4-3!

Hey, it’s something.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Great

Facing a pitcher on Wednesday with a 12.46 ERA. Which means we’ll likely be shut out.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

A lead off bb for Augie!

Hey, we got something going!!

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Because he's facing our offense?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not? He’s pitching a shut out and there have been no signs of a serious threat.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re running him out there for the complete game shutout.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That 3-0 to Trace looked low too me.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Consistent

It’s been a strike all night for both men.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn was sitting on Timmy’s change and finally got to one.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Timcecum

goin’ for his first career complete game.

Great pitcher, but certainly doesnt reflect well on the ol’ AZ lineup

by Diamondhacks on Sep 9, 2008 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice double by CJ!

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Runners on second and third

Come on, Mark, break up the shut out…

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Two men on base

Maybe we can just end the shutout…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

And this

is what the last two weeks have boiled down to.

by Azreous on Sep 9, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

But not if

The umpire is giving pitches like that one.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Like Lincecum needs help.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way that 1-0 to Reynolds was a strike.

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Every additional pitch

Is another pitch nearer Tommy John surgery…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Even though Dusty Baker has moved on

Some of his philosophy still remains in San Francisco?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Walk to Reynolds

Looks like they’re pulling Lincecum. Good call, though the crowd is booing.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

We chased Timmy!!!

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah

I think that was all pitch count. No reason to leave him out to throw 130+ pitches.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really disagree with Bochy

keeping him in this long. How is laboring in the ninth helping TL’s CY Award chances? He’s obviously gassed, the win’s in the bag. Boch’ pitched him 130+ pitches last week and his subsequent start was lousy. Just really dumb, imo

by Diamondhacks on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

There’s no valid reason not to bring in a pitcher from the bullpen.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad his next start

is against San Diego with the following start against us here at home. That game appears to have Petit opposing Lincecum. Perhaps Scherzer will get that start instead of Petit.

by TwinnerA on Sep 9, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two runzzzzzz!!!!!!!

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Shut out over

Thanks to a bad throw on what should have been a double play.

The stats at the top of the screen are a bit confused, and say we’re in the middle of the ninth.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

So the real question is

should I take advantage of the NFL Shop sale right now to buy a Bills fleece?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 9, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Better deals to be had around the holidays?

by foulpole on Sep 9, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

maybe I should just get a hat.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 9, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

And things grind to a halt...

As Bochy goes out to make a pitching-change with two outs and a four-run lead.

Well, I’m already starting on the recap, so no big.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 9, 2008 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

They're

going to win now, just to spite you.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 9, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I only wish

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Upton seemed to have plans there

Three pitches, and the only one he doesn’t swing and whiff on is the strike.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
Obviously BoMel's philosophy, because he seems to think belief is more effective than good pitching, hitting, or defense.

by kishi on Sep 9, 2008 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Lay down and die , dammit!

"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott

by victor frankenstein on Sep 9, 2008 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Go ahead

and lead us off.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 9, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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