Diamondbacks 3, Dodgers 5: Who Wants to Live Forever?
Record: 71-71. Pace: 81-81. Change on last season: -8.
Elimination number: 17. Playoff odds: 32.1% [the lowest since April 4]
In Affectionate Remembrance of
The Diamondbacks 2008 Season
which died at Chavez Ravine on 7th September, 2008
Deeply lamented by a large circle of sorrowing friends and acquaintances
R.I.P.
N.B.—The body will be cremated and the ashes taken to Dodger Stadium.
If you need to point to a single pitch where the Arizona Diamondbacks' hopes of post-season baseball crumbled this year, it came in the sixth inning today. With one man out and Mark Reynolds on third-base. Chris Snyder was asked to put down a bunt. Yes, Chris Snyder: who had homered and doubled in the game already. Snyder: who had thirteen hits in his last 25 at-bats with runners in scoring position. Snyder: with a total of ten sacrifice hits in his entire career. But Melvin's obsession with the sacrifice proved too strong to resist. The result was inevitable: Snyder missed the pitch down and away and Special K, coming home from third on the suicide squeeze was tagged out easily. Bad management + poor execution = FAIL. I think we've seen the truth of that demonstrated more times than I care to remember all season.
From that point on this afternoon, the Dodgers' comeback was inevitable. Scherzer allowed a walk and a single to put men on the corners with no outs, and although Qualls stopped the rally with only a sacrifice fly, the arrival of Jon Rauch for the seventh put another nail into the Diamondbacks coffin. He may be large. He may be heavily-tattooed. He also sucks farts out of dead dogs, pitching-wise, and ran his record to 0-4 since coming to Arizona, as he conceded an earned run for the seventh time in nine outings. But he's cheap! And under our control through the next ice-age!
Admittedly, Rauch was not helped by three errors in the frame. The first was by Adam Dunn, who looks every bit as uncomfortable at first as he did in right-field. He fell over while trying to field an attempted bunt: after a lead-off double, that led to runners on the corners, no outs. Then Justin Upton dropped the ball while trying to transfer it to his throwing hand in right: sacrifice fly. Finally - although, for some bizarre reason, this one was scored as a hit - Stephen Drew booted a ball driven straight to him, allowing the runner to scurry home from third for an insurance run. The inability to execute basic fundamentals, another common theme of the 2008 season, again cost Arizona dearly.
As did the large number of wasted opportunities for the Diamondbacks, starting in the first inning, when we had the bases loaded against Kershaw, with only one man out. However, Chris Young popped out harmlessly to first-base and Mark Reynolds grounded to third, frittering away a chance to come out with guns blazing and make a statement that we weren't going to roll over. Instead, it was the Dodgers who did so, also getting men in scoring position with one out in their half of the first, and they did not waste the chance, a broken-bat bleeder to center-field scoring two runs. The Diamondbacks did come back, with solo homers from Snyder and Adam Dunn, and a double down the line from our catcher in the fourth gave us hope, and a 3-2 lead.
That was especially true as Max Scherzer, after some initial wobbles, was mowing down the opposition in fine style. He retired the Dodgers in order during the third, fourth and fifth innings - striking out eight of the nine batters he faced in that time. He finished with eleven K's in five innings of work, allowing three runs on five hits and a walk. He certainly won the battle of young pitching phenoms, Kershaw only lasting four innings, also giving up three runs on six hits and a walk, with just four strikeouts. But I imagine that Los Angeles will not really be too bothered about that, being more concerned about the win that leaves them with a 1.5 game lead over the Diamondbacks. We've gone 3-10 in the last thirteen games, including 1-5 against the Dodgers, and our playoff chances resemble the parrot from Monty Python:
He's not pining! He's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

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Master of his domain: Chris Snyder, +16.3%
Honorable mentions: Dunn, +14.9%; Qualls, +11.3%
God-emperor of suck: Jon Rauch, -18.8%
Dishonorable mentions: Upton, -16.9%; Eckstein, -14.6%;
Scherzer, -11.5%, Jackson, -10.7%
What? Less than a hundred comments in the Gameday Thread? How did that happen? Well, the absence of a thread until the fifth inning likely helps there. I would have started it myself, but spent the game over at shoe's, watching it with him and TAP among others. We left the house at 12:15, safe in the knowledge that the thread was in good hands, and certain that, while kishi has been a little later than usual, he would be posting it Any Moment Now... kishi has been optioned down to Triple-A to work on his fundamentals, and I'll be returning to the rotation myself, as of tomorrow. I apologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused.
Thanks to those who did show up: kishi, TwinnerA, AZWILDCATS, Azreous, Scrbl, snakecharmer and Wimb. Also thanks to shoe for being a fine host this afternoon, and also to TAP and Steve for sharing in the frustration that this series has brought. As shoe pointed out, when Melvin says, "We'll see what we're made of," he is either missing the point entirely or simply being phenomenally diplomatic. The team's struggles after the end of April are not an issue of character: it's an issue of suckage. Since the start of May, this team is 51-63, averaging less than 4.2 runs per game and batting .246. The performance over the first month was a mirage, and we've been doing little since except hoping for a re-occurrence.
Onwards to San Francisco, but I have little hope left for the stretch run. Yes, Bob: we did indeed see what the Diamondbacks were made of this afternoon. It appears to be styrofoam, balsa wood and groundless optimism, assembled by a committee of inept third-graders.
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The Emperor has no clothes
comes to mind.
We had a plan for a very solid future. When was it decided to throw it out the window and why?
Who in the world is making these horrid player moves and signings?
I can go on, but when Randy had to go visit his college coach to help fix his pitching issues, that pretty much sums up just how inept our staff is. No wonder the kids are struggling so mightily.
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
by unnamedDBacksfan on
Sep 7, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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I'm hoping
that this year still has some value as a learning experience for the young D-Backs. The current coaching staff may not be able to affect a change, but hopefully whoever comes in next year can help. In the meantime, a lot of young players got a lot of playing time. More time than they would have gotten on a team with better options. And even if they didn’t figure out how to improve their own performances, they learned what a full season in the major leagues looks like. It might be something to build on.
But yes, I’m just as disappointed in the D-Backs as you are. What a disheartening season.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
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I object
to Scherzer getting any kind of dishonorable mention. At least he kept this team in the game, which is more than I can say about 2 “aces” and a Hall of Famer for the past 2 and a half weeks.
Nice job, Max. I look forward to your next start.
by TwinnerA on
Sep 7, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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I was glad
that I missed the end of the game, but Scherzer’s start sounded promising. How’d he look?
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Pretty good
After the first inning. His fastball is a devastating weapon when he can spot it correctly, but his long-term survival in the majors will depend on him developing at least one [if he’s a reliever] or two [if he wants to remain a starter] additional pitches, because otherwise hitters will simply cheat on his fastball. He had a couple of great strikeouts with his change-up, and that might be the best complement for his heater.
by Jim McLennan on
Sep 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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Thanks Jim
If he’s developing a passable changeup, maybe we can put him on the “one new pitch a year” plan. That’d make him a viable starter by spring training. In the meantime, it’s good to see that he has the raw stuff to strike out major league hitters.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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Was it just me
or could nobody else access the Snakepit for hours upon hours today?
Also — JON RAUCH!?? YOU BRING IN JON FREAKING RAUCH IN A TIE GAME, BOMEL!!? HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING!!????
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Sep 7, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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It was fine when I tried
Basically, at 12:15pm before leaving, and on my return around 5pm. In the meantime, I was busy accessing Heineken, burgers and some delicious brownies baked by Mrs. SnakePit. And no, not that kind of brownies, though given this series, it might have been more pleasant if they had been…
by Jim McLennan on
Sep 7, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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I just ate another brownie
My wife is not amused. ;)
Nice thread title too. :-)
by shoewizard on
Sep 8, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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JON RAUCH!?? YOU BRING IN JON FREAKING RAUCH IN A TIE GAME, BOMEL!!? HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING!!????
If it didn’t work before, it’s GOTTA work when we try it again. Maybe this time, Lucy will actually let me kick the football.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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Well,
maybe BoMel just wanted to show Rauch that the team still has confidence in him.
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Sep 8, 2008 2:09 AM EDT
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Thing is
he SHOULD be worthy of that confidence. Before he came to AZ, he was a really good pitcher. But last year Melvin was so much better at putting his hot pitchers in for tight situations. When people were pushing for him to win Manager of the Year, it’s one of the things they entioned. This year it seems like he’s abandoned it in favor of this “showing confidence” thing. It’s ohsovery frustrating.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 8, 2008 2:16 AM EDT
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If only I'd known!
I could have used that as my excuse!
And, no, BoMel obviously hasn’t learned anything. Note that he brought Qualls in with runners on.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Sep 7, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
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Me too.
And gameday wasn’t working, either. Odd.
by emilylovesthedbacks on
Sep 8, 2008 3:10 AM EDT
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Remind me again...
why did we get Jon Rauch, and what can be done about him?
by jazzbo13 on
Sep 7, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
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Before we got him
Rauch was a pretty good pitcher. He even looked god for his first several weeks as a D-Backs. Then, “Zap!” the pod people got him and replaced him with a remarkably-lifelike duplicate. I suspect that somewhere, deep under the streets of Bisbee, there’s a whole bunker full of abducted D-Backs. John Rauch was just the latest victim.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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Ok, he just looked "good"
I gotta save “looking god” for Brandon Webb’s scoreless streak.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 7, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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ARGH....
Damn those PodBacks….
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Sep 8, 2008 2:09 AM EDT
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AAA?
But the Sidewinders’ season is over! Am I going to be sent to start Gameday Threads for Fall League games?
Again, sorry about that. Assuming that the game started in the evening, mrskishi and I took the opportunity to go catch an early movie, and then I’d be home in plenty of time to do a few things around the house and start up the thread.
At least Scherzer put up some good pitches today. Too bad we couldn’t do much more to help him out.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Sep 7, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
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On suckage
The team’s struggles after the end of April are not an issue of character: it’s an issue of suckage.
Agreed. Rather than the obvious 7th inning miscues, today’s most intrinsic example of that suckage may’ve been the mirror sequence in the 1st inning, when each team managed second and third with one out – LA scoring twice on Loney’s broken bat bleeder while we got nada, after consecutive Young and Reynolds outs. No surprise, but if one jumped to the conclusion that CY and/or Mark struck out, or swung at bad pitches to help Kershaw out of the jam, one would be wrong.
With the bases jammed (after a CoJack walk), Kershaw threw CY an early breaking ball, but once the count got deep, he pumped fastball after fastball down Broadway, at least five or six of em – Chris appeared “on” each one – but he couldnt do a damn thing with any of em. He fouled each one off, finally popping out. It was really a pretty good at bat in terms of approach. He just couldnt hit the fastball to save his life. Kershaw was wild all day, and quickly got behind Reynolds 2-0 with a pair of 98 mph fastballs. Martin came out to the mound. Kershaw immediately downgraded to 93-94 mph fastballs down the middle – and Reynolds could do nothing with them, eventually grounding weakly to third.
Why do I recount such detail? To suggest that our inherent offensive failure isnt one of day to day “approach”, or preparation or motivation. Young and Reynolds looked as focused as they can be, certainly no less focused than Loney to my eyes. Loney might be a little better hitter, but more than that, he’s a different kind of hitter – and always has been. More contact, more apt to get the ball out of the infield and keep a rally alive. The Dodgers, and most MLB teams, simply have more hitters like that sprinkled through the order. I dont want to rag on CY and Mark as if Kershaw’s 94 is chopped liver, but Loney poked his cheesy bleeder against Scherzer, who was at least the equal of Kershaw today.
Surely a propensity to strike out doesnt preclude individual offensive excellence, but I wonder if a lineup full of power or bust hitters doesnt lend itself to it’s own brand of exploitation, especially against superior pitching or in tight ballgames. It sure feels like it this year, in this series and in today’s game. If Josh Byrnes isnt second guessing the strategic construction of his real game offense, I’m sure that’s OK by the Dodgers – whose staff just de-constructed it for him – in three all too real games.
Aside from all that, today’s game differed from most of our recent freefall in that our starter genuinely outpitched his opposite, making this the first game in a while that, given Max’s advantage, I felt we really SHOULD have won. But we still didnt because of, yes, errors and Rauch, but I think more than anything, an inability to fully exploit a very vulnerable starter. And that’s a structural problem that’s been there for at least two years, imo. Our pitching woes, which have seen one of MLB’s best rotations become one of its worst almost overnight, is, while incredibly maddening, less of a structural problem.
by Diamondhacks on
Sep 7, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
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I think you're right.
The lineup is full of a lot of all or nothing hitters, but I don’t think it has to stay that way. Many of them are too young to be pigeon-holed. While they may not suddenly develop power, or the ability to hit to the opposite field, I think that all of the young players could improve their situational hitting. While I can’t fit into BoMel’s head, this may be why he’s so quick to ask players like Chris Snyder to bunt.
One of my biggest frustrations this year has been the way that the team approaches their at-bats. No matter what the situation, they don’t seem to adapt. There have been some great home-run and doubles hitters who could shorten their swings and aim for the gaps when they needed to (Mark Grace is the one that comes to mind immediately, but I know I’ve seen others). I’m sure that this is a tough skill to learn, but I would love to see some of the D-Backs try it. For a few games in the middle of the season (starting in Atlanta, I think), Mark Reynolds did try it and had some decent results. But he abandoned it after about a week.
Now, with the season slipping out of our control, maybe it’s a good time to practice this. I didn’t go to a lot of home games this year, but when I did, I never saw the D-Backs practice hitting gappers. Most of them spent their batting practice aiming for the fences. Maybe, in the last few weeks, they could could hit a dozen batting-practice pitches past the worst infield position on the other team. It’s not the prettiest kind of batting practice, but maybe one or two players has some situational success that they can carry into next year. And maybe, if a couple of our power hitters can learn to shorten up and move the runners, we won’t see so many questionable bunt calls in the future.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 8, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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Good points
I sense the same lack of day to day adaptations you do, but I think you tend to see these examples of stubbornness as player failings, or perhaps shortcomings at the Rick Schu or Bomel level. And I guess I see these repetitive mistakes and what we both might call lack of well rounded player development (ie hitting the other way, not swinging so hard, learning to bunt,etc) as more reflective of an organizational philosophy that goes up at least as high as Josh Byrnes.
I say that because there’s evidence to suggest Melvin and JByrnes are pretty tight philosophically, so close in fact, it’s difficult to believe JByrnes doesnt fundamentally endorse BoMel’s player development and general in-game strategies. They supposedly talk every day. JByrnes is the boss. JByrnes extended BoMel and Bob hasnt fundamentally changed his mgmnt style since.
Josh has built a fine pitching staff and has injuries and financial restraints to deal with, but who else is ultimately responsible for continuously sending out half a lineup’s worth of minimum wage kids who strike out more than Wilt Chamberlain at a Shaker convention? If Josh really valued hitting to all fields, would he have recruited, or settled for, our current roster of intractable whiffers? Mark Reynolds didnt suddenly start whiffing when he met BoMel. That’s the kind of hitter Mark Reynolds is. Chris Young, despite his charms, hasnt hit .280 since high school.
Maybe it’s a circular argument, but it’s precisely because I see so few of those adaptations you mention, that makes me think it’s simply not what this organization wants from these kids. Like they want Reynolds and Upton and Young to hone those HR strokes in BP, because, ultimately, Josh sees more return on that strategy than trying to fiddle with the power skillsets that elevated these kids to the majors and attracted Josh in the first place. For example, when Mark “abandons” the idea of hitting the other way, is that on his own? Is he disregarding Schu’s advice? Is he defying Bob Melvin for three months? I think it’s more likely that the FO basically supports the various players’ day to day “approaches” or development plans, as distinct from a player’s less than promising short term results.
There have been some great home-run and doubles hitters who could shorten their swings and aim for the gaps when they needed to (Mark Grace is the one that comes to mind immediately, but I know I’ve seen others)
No doubt Gracie was a more adaptive hitter than these guys, but Mark never hit for their (Reynolds, Young, Upton) power either. Not even close. So, I dont think it’s simply a matter of adding this “gap” skill to these guys repertoires. I think it may be closer to an either/or proposition. An exception is someone like Manny, who can switch back and forth rather easily like that, without losing much power. But he might be one of the ten best right handed hitters in the history of baseball. Just an incredibly rare talent.
by Diamondhacks on
Sep 8, 2008 2:59 AM EDT
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I could see this
being the problem. It looks like each of us has our ire pointed in a slightly different direction.
Either way, the lack of adaptability is maddening. When I talk about “preparation” and “heart” this is largely what I mean. It’s the ability to say to yourself before you go up to bat, “We have runners on first and third with one out. A double play will kill the rally, but a ball hit into the outfield will bring home a run. So I’m going to take a little off and make sure I hit it to the outfield.” Then it’s the confidence to make that change and stick with it for the whole at-bat. It’s very possible that this team just isn’t capable of making that kind of adjustment, but I feel like the players are too young to give up on it so soon.
Which brings me to my second big source of frustration. By not asking the young D-Backs to make adjustments from one situation (or even one game) to the next, the coaches (or management) are wasting valuable development time. The longer they wait, the less likely it is that the players will ever learn. In the short term they may struggle, but aside from April, this season hasn’t been a rousing success anyway. I would be so much happier with “productive mistakes” (the kind that come as a player learns a new skill) than the dreck we’ve seen lately.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 8, 2008 10:48 AM EDT
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I was just thinking back
other players who could shorten up when they needed to keep a rally alive. None of these guys could do it as well as Grace or Tony Gwynn. But they were able do it at least a little:
Matt Williams
Louis Gonzales
Steve Finley
Jay Bell
Which kinda leads me to the same conclusion you made. All these buys ended up on the same team, because the front office valued that kind of player. Maybe we have a team full of big-swingers because that’s what the current management wants to see.
But Grace, Finley, Gonzales, Williams and Bell had to learn somewhere. Maybe it came with experience, and maybe the young D-Backs will pick it up on their own. But it would be nice to see the current coaching staff try to speed up the learning.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Sep 8, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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It sucks
but I’m not giving up yet.
We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.
by soco on
Sep 8, 2008 1:05 AM EDT
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+100
It’s not over until it’s over.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Sep 8, 2008 1:16 AM EDT
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I'm not giving up
but I am not holding my breath that now that they don’t have to play the Dodgers again that they will suddenly start winning either.
by TwinnerA on
Sep 8, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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I enjoyed the Ashes and Python references...
Sadly that’s about the only bright thing about it :(
I can’t help but relate this to Reading’s relegation which ironically occured just as our April form began to disintegrate.
Reading had a football team that had massively overachieved in its first season in the premiership, bursting with young talent they finished 8th ahead of much bigger fish and went into their 2nd season optimistic of more. With the season of success before the club decided not to invest, keeping faith with these same players. Subsequently, after an opening day draw away at Champions Manchester United and early victory at home to Everton the fans looked to another season of joy. However slowly but surely the away losses began to wrack up and those players who had only been predicted to get better were soon found out at the 2nd time of asking. As the rut set in it became almost impossible to get out and even when seemingly clear with 2 months to go a lack of form alongside a sudden ressurgance of another lower team ultimately led to relegation and failure.
My point I suppose is that I largely agree with Unnamed’ the emperor does no longer have his clothes on and I think for the first time he sees it. Whilst talent has a lot to do with the success/failures of a team I think that the front office can be accredited for a large chunk of the failure that this team seems destined to head towards. The complete faith they had in the young players to get better not only shows a lack of foresight into if these guys actually had the consistant skills to suceed in the short term (see Yankess: New York) or the long term talent to be worth such patience.
This complete faith not only set us up for a fall if the aforementioned proved true but also gave the players far too much security (see sale of Player: The or Contract extension, Young: Chris) Basically these guys knew the job was theirs and I can’t beleive it helps in terms of motivation.
The Dunn and Eckstein aquisitions have come too late and whilst the Byrnes and Hudson injuries can’t be helped, the over reliance on those guys going into the season was an accident waiting to happen. Still i’d be a hypocrite for slagging them off too much as I was waving the flag whilst those same guys led us to the Division last year and I too genuinley believed they would get better, but its much better to go into a season with guys who have proved it over 4-5 years rather then on ‘potential’ or on minor league stats.
I don’t know why I’m writing this, I guess it’s just sheer frustration :( I just feel bad for some players who I do see giving it everything they have, but maybe they just don’t have ‘it’ and also to the fans who have been built up this year only to suffer this damp squib at the end. I almost wish LA or the Padres had just romped this division, then going into the last 3 weeks still over .500 with a young team like this might not seem quite so lame :(
This season certainly isn’t over yet based on the standings but the complete breakdown of form in the last 2 weeks and the soul destroying way our big 3 have fallen apart means that knowing where our next win is comming from (yet alone finding 2 extra wins over LA) seems an impossible thing to pinpoint.
Anyway, rant over and im resuming the slumping position
(oh and can somebody open up the Bisons thread, I have more depressing rants to write :( )
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Sep 8, 2008 8:45 AM EDT
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Don't worry, Arizona...
Cardinals won, but another losing season awaits.
The Coyotes will be preparing for another disastrous NHL season in October.
The Suns will try (?) to win the Finals with Shaq in October.
McCain will be elected president in November.
Arizona and ASU will be destroyed by USC.
Gila River Resort/Casino/Whatever (sponsors of the ‘08 D-backs) possibly will be sponsoring the Coyotes right now…
I’m disappointed.
Philip Fitzsimmons says Padres rule,Dodgers suck!
by Philip Fitzsimmons on
Sep 8, 2008 9:24 AM EDT
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Hey, I just don't want LA to win the West.
Philip Fitzsimmons says Padres rule,Dodgers suck!
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