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The Stretch

Mrsnakepit_tiny by Jim McLennan on

Date D-backs Dodgers
@ St. Louis vs. San Diego
22nd WIN OFF
23rd LOSS WIN
24th LOSS WIN
25th Davis vs Pineiro Maddux vs Peavy
vs. Colorado @ San Francisco
26th Haren vs Cook Kuroda vs Hennessey
27th Webb vs Reynolds Lowe vs Cain
28th Johnson vs Jimenez Billingsley vs Lincecum
Division Playoff [if necessary]
29th Scherzer vs. Kershaw

Probably updated for the final time, as odds are the Dodgers will clinch tomorrow.

Star-divide

Looking at this schedule is quite encouraging for the D-backs. I think we have the edge in three of the four games in St. Louis and two of the three against Colorado. Meanwhile, I can very easily see the Dodgers losing to Peavy, Cain and Lincecum. Drop one of the other three, put that together with our five wins, and it would result in a tie - leading to a one-game playoff on the Monday in Los Angeles, pitting the two phenoms against other, Kershaw vs. Scherzer.

Game One of the NLDS would be October 1st, with Dan Haren starting if Arizona made it. Who the NL West champions face depend on who wins the Wild Card: if the Mets or Phillies get it, they play the Cubs and the West would face the winner of the NL East. If the Brewers take the Wild Card, the D-backs or Dodgers would meet the Cubs - this time, they'd have home-field advantage.

It should be a lot of fun this week. Feel free to chip in with your thoughts, comments, hopes and expectations. I'm going to update this chart each morning with the results of the night before, so it'll be sitting at the top of the page until this thing gets decided...one way or another!

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It would be great...

if SD and Sf could swallow their pride and give Manny an IBB every time he steps in to the batters box. I DO NOT want to lose to him this week.

by Counsellmember on Sep 22, 2008 12:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Start crossing everything...

And give me some Penelope. This is serious!

Should be a fun week. Hopefully.

Never give up. Never give in.

by pepperdinedevil on Sep 22, 2008 12:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Penelope

and a few narwhals will hopefully do the trick.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 22, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I notice

that the Dodgers have Lowe vs. Cain and Bills vs. Timcecum. I think the Giants still have an edge in each of those contests, but not by much.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 22, 2008 12:37 PM EDT   0 recs

great

Now I’m all optimistic again, after seeing the way the schedule shakes down here. Hope springs eternal, I guess. I sort of wish it didn’t.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 22, 2008 12:48 PM EDT   0 recs

i completely agree. completely.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 22, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said.

I’m getting all optimistic again and it’s sad that deep down I’m expecting to get shat on again by this team… For the love of all things, just win out!

Never give up. Never give in.

by pepperdinedevil on Sep 22, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My hopes?

Finish strong and above .500. anything else would be gravy.

:::::crossing fingers and toes for that anything else though!::::::::::

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 22, 2008 12:49 PM EDT   0 recs

+1

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 22, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh

I dont want our young guys patting themselves on the back this off season for finishing strong and missing the post season. If we can’t go, lets make damn well sure that we go into this winter knowing that changes need to be made, either mentally or roster/coaching-wise. This will not stand!

by Counsellmember on Sep 22, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't really want

to root against the D-Backs, but I understand how you feel. I think that they’ve already crashed hard enough that they’re gonna regret this season no matter how it ends.

Unless, of course, they make the playoffs. Then who knows?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 22, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Even then,

I think that would to some extent give our players a false sense of accomplishment. Making the playoffs in the worst division with a near-.500 record is less of an accomplishment.

If, however, we get our act together and are competitive in the playoffs, then there will be reason for congratulations.

Regardless, there was enough FAIL in the middle of the season that I think the Dbacks and management understand that change needs to happen.

I have an irrational mancrush on Stephen Drew.

by Snakebitten on Sep 23, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Peavy may be pushed back a day or two

Link

"We might push Jake back a day or two," Black said. "There are a lot of factors with Jake. He’s been away from the team. He’s been unable to play catch. Let’s see when he gets a baseball in his hand and does what he needs to do to be ready for his next start." Peavy was to pitch Friday to open the series against the Nationals but returned to San Diego that day to be with his wife, Katie, for the birth of their third son.

I’ve updated the chart to reflect the info on the official Padres site, which has him going on Thursday.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 22, 2008 2:07 PM EDT   0 recs

We may have the pitching edge

but not the hitting edge, not against St Louis anyway. I’m further sobered by the fact we’re facing seven consecutive righties. Ouch. We simply need to find a way to slap out more than five or six hits against these guys, none of whom is a legitimate Cy Young candidate.

Stephen and Snydes, do your thing(s).
CY, salvage your season by using the field.
Dunner? Seven righties, no excuses.
CoJack, doubles suffice.
Justin, not too hard, you’re almost there.
Eck, Homecoming Party.
Mark, one big one, late, when all seems lost.

I figure we need to win five of seven to have much chance. Gut out a split in St Louis, sweep Colorado at home before enthusiastic crowds. And hope the Dodgers fart around to finish 3 and 3 and force the playoff. ( LA has a quarter century tradition of farting around, and blowing seasons in the San Francisco wind).

There is always hope.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 22, 2008 4:45 PM EDT   0 recs

I agree with this.

I think 5-2 is the bare minimum for us to have a chance. 6-1 would be awful nice, but we’re already on a similar run, so it’s hard to see us pulling out something similar down the stretch. Or maybe the events from mid-August to mid-September have me jaded.

At the very least, we have a shot. That’s more than about 20 teams have right now.

by Azreous on Sep 22, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just happy

It’s the last week of the season and they are still playing meaningful games and have a chance, no matter how small.

by shoewizard on Sep 22, 2008 5:17 PM EDT   1 recs

+1

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 22, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Going into every year, I just hope my team is in the playoff race. And while yes, I would be disappointed if the D-Backs didn’t make the playoffs, we were spoiled last year with an excellent team. (Shut up, Pythagoras!)

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 23, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate you for making me hope.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 22, 2008 6:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Math error?

As my name indicates, I am a Dodger fan. And I do not intend to rain on your parade, but it appears that the math in the post is incorrect. If the D-Backs go 5-2 down the stretch and the Dodgers go 3-3 (as assumed in the post), the D-backs would make up 1.5 games on the Dodgers, and still end the season a game back. If that is what you are hoping for, more power to you, but I do not think that is what you want.

by Dodger777 on Sep 22, 2008 7:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Arghhhh

you’re right!

Suddenly, 6-1 sounds twice as nice.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 22, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was told

that there would be no math.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 22, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They lied to us?

Off with their heads!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 22, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was

Not including tonight’s victory. Which I was taking as read.

That’s my excuse, and I’m sticking to it. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 22, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought this as well

(used to be pretty good at math), but now that I’ve re-read the OP, I see it says “drop one of the other three (besides Peavy, Lincecum, and Cain) …would result in a tie” if we win 5.

Dodgers 2-4 coupled with Snakes 5-2 works mathematically.

Edited?

by marionette on Sep 23, 2008 1:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NLDS Tickets

Got an e-mail this morning that says they’re putting tickets up for sale today. I’m trying not to get too optimistic…

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 23, 2008 1:09 PM EDT   0 recs

ugh. memo to Byrnes:
Don’t do ANYTHING that might upset the baseball gods.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 23, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Byrnes, or Hall?

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 23, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Down the stretch...

I am going to go with the DBacks being slight dogs in the three remaining games against the Cardinals, and then heavy favorites friday and saturday and slight favorites on sunday. Meanwhile, the Dodgers biggest challenge would be the sunday game against Lincecum, and with Billingsley pitching, that game is pretty much a toss-up.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 2:37 PM EDT   0 recs

LOL

Greg Maddux versus Jake Peavy is a 62% Dodger win?

Sorry, after I saw that, I couldn’t take anything else you wrote seriously.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 2:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ribs

Well, before you crack a rib laughing. Take a look at Peavy’s home/road splits. Both pitchers serve up home runs at around a 0.9 HR/9 clip. Peavy of course is the better pitcher but when you take him out of PetCo he really isn’t all that special. You also have to keep in mind that Peavy plays on the weaker hitting team of the two and the Dodgers have Home Field Advantage. That’s fine if you don’t agree on the percentage, it doesn’t change the results all that much.
Best of luck,
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And did you notice

Maddux’s ERA at Dodger Stadium this year? 5.17. I suspect you credited him with his Home ERA for this game – even though 80% of his starts were for the Padres and the “home” ERA is largely the result of fifteen starts at Petco.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

According to this piece, he says we will have the best bullpen in the division.

Ah…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NL West Bullpen Review (Pre-Season)

Here is the piece

Here is a snippet: Diamondbacks: The Diamondbacks bullpen takes a huge hit in the loss/trade of closer Jose Valverde (K/9: 10.91, K-BB/IP: .808). The Diamondbacks bullpen on paper looks very similar to the Rockies bullpen. The Diamondbacks lack an effective southpaw in their bullpen that most of the other teams seem to have. They may suffer in some late game situations if this problem is not remedied. Brandon Lyon, the Diamondbacks new closer does not tend to give up too many homeruns, but he also does not strikeout too many batters either.

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So you make one prediction

Where we have the best pen and another where we have the worst.

Why am I not particularly impressed?

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Comprehension

You need to read closely. Sorry if there is confusion. I have used two methods, one is to use my simulator and one is to calculate based on WAR. WAR is not a prediction, it is a mathematical model. Actually, the simulator is not a “human” prediction either, it is a Monte Carlo method. I gave numbers for both methods. Under the WAR model the Diamondbacks bullpen did better. Using the simulator it was the tied for worst bullpen in the NL West. I am not claiming anything, you guys brought it up and I am just pointing out the methodolgies and results. If you would like WAR explained, there is a link to it in the fanpost you linked to.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Understanding

You need to grasp my point. When you come out with two predictions – even using different methods – that point in completely opposite directions, you can’t expect any credit if one of them turns out to be accurate.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

labour

I never asked for any credit. You guys brought it up, haha! You have a strawman argument Jim. I used both my simulator and WAR to predict lots of things. Team records, best bullpens etc… It was an excercise. For me atleast, it’s interesting to look back and see which method did better. I will only take credit for things I put something at stake on. Like the pre-season bet I made on the Tampa Bay Rays winning the World Series at 150:1. I made my bet based on my simulator runs and WAR calculations, and the fact that the odds of 150:1 seemed like a rather large value. They still might not win it all, but if you were to bet on them today to win the W.S., you are looking at something quite a bit smaller than that.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good job you didn't bet on the Tigers

“The Detroit juggernaught is the pre-season favorite. The addition of Miguel Cabrera along with an already potent lineup and top notch pitching staff will make the Tigers difficult to beat.”

Link

Now, you were far from alone there, but the sheer volume of predictions makes it difficult to award credit for correctness on single ones.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Money Mouth

The only prediction I put money on. Post #370 from this link Dated on April 14th. The best was made two weeks prior.

370. Xeifrank
367. I’m skeptical too, but it’s not like he has to put up good numbers to show an improvement. I wish him all the success in the world, mostly because I got 150:1 odds on the Rays to win the W.S. this year.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s why I write all my pre-season predictions in quatrains, and refuse to translate them until November.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 23, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I write all my predictions

with invisible ink in my made-up space language. I predicted all of this.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 23, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

I wrote a quatrain about that in December.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 23, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This would tie in

With your previous Maddux prediction, when he went against the Giants last Friday. You gave the Dodgers a – hold my aching sides – 72.18% chance of victory, almost the biggest “sure thing” of the day. In reality, Maddux allowed seven runs in five innings and lost 7-1. Oops.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Small sample size

That’s fine if you want to quote small sample sizes, of one game, and your earlier post of Maddux’ ERA in Dodger Stadium (also small sample size). I look at the past calendar year of stats and adjust for park factor and BABIP (luck). What is your track record for predicting games this year? Mine is public and I’ve done pretty well. Yes, there are some games I have missed badly and others I have done very well in. It’s easy to attack and make fun of things you don’t understand, that is human nature. If you want to lower the Dodgers chances of winning with Maddux pitching down to 50, it only lowers the Dodgers chances of winning the NL West by ~ 1. My predictions are not made with a bias, they are 100% computer generated.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As for your "not made with a bias" predictions

If we include your expectations for the remaining six games, you have the Dodgers as favorites for 27 of the final 31 games this season. I wonder if Fox News needs a “fair and balanced” sports correspondent? :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thingy

The thing is, if you also look at the Vegas line you will see similar results. And if you want to do your little excercise correctly, you should look at what percentage of the time my simulator gave the Dodgers a higher/lower win probability than Vegas did. That perhaps could point to some either human bias or modelling bias. I am impressed though that you did take the time to look up the last 31 predictions. I might have to send you a free t-shirt. :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the offer ;-)

It wasn’t hard – that was only skimming about three pages on your blog, since you conveniently listed the Dodgers first. :-) However, as a comparison, I just checked the predictions for the Angels – generally regarded as the best team in the majors – and since the start of September, you only have them as the favorite in 14 of their last 21 games.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim, wouldnt that be because of their soft schedule?

They should certainly have been the favorite in the vast majority of their last 30 games, because most of those games were against sub .500 teams. But being the favorite in that many games is not the same thing as predicting they will win 27 of 31. At least I think.

About the bullpen stuff above, I WAS the one who brought it up.

by shoewizard on Sep 23, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Point

Yes, to a certain degree that’s my point. It all depends on the schedule. Jim needs to compare win probabilities of simulator vs vegas to look for possible bias or error.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

13 out of 20

and a look at the September games show that my simulator is actually giving the Dodgers a LOWER probability of winning than vegas in 13 out of 20 games. And during the previous three game series between the Dodgers and DBacks, my simulator had the Dodgers win probabilities lower than Vegas in all three games. I just don’t see the bias. Perhaps it’s a reverse bias. :)

vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One big difference

Is that you don’t have tro build in a house edge into your odds.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Obviously, the schedule plays into it

Though the Dodgers have never been more than seven above .500 all season. and were as low as five below during the stretch in question. Take the August 31st game, where the Dodgers – 65-70 – played Arizona [69-65] with Billingsley facing Haren. In defiance of home advantage and our superior record, Xei still made the Dodgers favorite to win that one.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Quick look

A quick look at my spreadsheet shows a Billingsley vs Haren matchup on August 30th (not 31st) in Arizona. Vegas had Arizona as a -143 favorite at the time my sim was ran, which converts to a 58.8% win probability for the DBacks. My simulator also favored the DBacks to win this game, but only at a 52.02% win probability. The Dodgers won this game. My sim bet 1.57 units on this game for a return of 2.13 units. The 8/29 game had almost no difference between Vegas and my simulator. The 8/31 game pitting Lowe and Webb had Vegas giving the DBacks a 62.6% win probability and my simulator giving the DBacks a 50.17% win probability. The Dodgers won that game too. You cherry picked these games, not me. The sim is not correct all the time, it doesn’t need to be. No system is correct all the time. You just need to be correct more than not and let the law of large numbers take it from there.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For the 30th game

[Which is the one I meant, sorry about that] Your site says Dodgers as the favorites with a 52.02 win probability, not the D-backs as you mention above. Was that a typo?

I chose that game as the most obviously aberration, based on my knowledge of the pitchers in question. In particular, your simulation picked the team
a) with the worse record
b) playing on the road,
and c) with the worse starting pitcher [even discounting park effects, Haren had the lower ERA at the time]

I trust you see why my eyebrows are raised a bit here!

by Jim McLennan on Sep 23, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Typo?

it’s probably a typo, but I will have to rerun with data from that date to see if it’s a typo in the blog or spreadsheet, still it’s only a 4% difference. The simulator does not have the slightest idea what team records are, and what the pitchers ERA is. Any model that uses team record and ERA is a poorly constructed one. For pitchers you need to know such stats as HR, SO, BB% GB/FB ratio, what hand they throw with and of course park factors. My simulator actually plays a baseball game between two teams (10,000 times). You are throwing out stats that perhaps a crude log5 method might use. Thanks for pointing out the typo, I got a kick out of your subsequent poem post. :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Simulations

Even though I do enjoy new statistical analysis of baseball, I think that game-by-game simulations are a joke. Baseball is too hard of a game to predict, and the 162-game grind means that any team could win on any given day. That’s why I would never bet on baseball.

by LucaMaz3 on Sep 23, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Knock, Knock...

hard to do = joke?
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 23, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Jim!

That was a great appearance by you on the Purple, Gold & Blue show today! The K Bros have such a great sense of humor and I always try to tune into their show. It was very cool hearing a classy blogger such as yourself being invited on to discuss the NL West race.

Cheers!

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Sep 24, 2008 2:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey, someone heard me. :-)

Thanks for the kind words. I enjoyed it a lot. Shame last night’s results kinda sucked a chunk of the tension out of things, but never say die!

by Jim McLennan on Sep 24, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Happy Birthday

I hope you appreciate the gift the Cardinals are giving you by playing their AA team.

by Dodger777 on Sep 24, 2008 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

If by “appreciate” you mean “waste,” you got it.

by Azreous on Sep 25, 2008 12:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hang in there....

It looks like things are probably over for this year, but the D-Backs clearly have the best combination of prospects, young talent and established stars in the NL West, and perhaps in the entire NL. The thought of seeing Webb, Haren and Scherzer in series for the next few years truly terrifies me and every other knowledgeable baseball fan. Good luck to you.

by Dodger777 on Sep 25, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

title

Probably should rename this as “The Stench”

fitting as it is how this team has played for large chunks of the season

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 25, 2008 12:11 AM EDT   0 recs

"chunks"

Is another good way to describe things lately.

by Azreous on Sep 25, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

Dbacks have made me blow a few of those lately, actually.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 25, 2008 2:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's very quiet in here,

or do I not know how to refresh this thing? I only see 71 comments. I was half expecting to see 250 plus more than a few piccies of dieties

by mrs snakepit on Sep 25, 2008 4:08 PM EDT   0 recs

This isn't the Gameday Thread.

:-)

That would be here.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 25, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the stretch may be over for us...

…but there’s lots of great baseball to be played in the rest of the baseball world. It’s fun to see the Twins/Sox duke it out in the Central… and the NL race to the finish is a lot of fun. Heck of a game by Santana today. If only this was fastpitch softball, they could ride his arm every game. Looks like the BrewCrew are going to lose and leave things locked up going into the final game of the year. Lots of fun.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 27, 2008 5:27 PM EDT   0 recs