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Gameday Thread, #138: 9/2 vs. Cardinals

St. Louis Cardinals at Arizona Diamondbacks, Sep 2, 2008 9:40 PM EDT


Adam Wainwright
RHP, 7-3, 3.04

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Yusmeiro Petit
RHP, 3-3, 2.83

 

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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to what we all hope is the first- well, second in a long string of Gameday Threads started by yours truly. 

Backing me up in my campaign to carry my win streak to an unprecedented three games is the pitcher we've all been grumbling about missing starts, Yusmiero Petit.  Petit hasn't pitched a lot of innings this season, but the guy deserves credit for going wherever the team needs him to be- in the starting rotation, out to the bullpen, bounced down to Tucson for a couple of months, and then back again.  And in the meantime, what's he done on the field?  A 2.83 ERA and a WHIP of 0.80.  Thanks to the shuffling of the rotation, this is his first start since SnakePitFest, and he's riding a two game winning stream of his own.  Of course, the Cardinals do have more offense than the Marlins or Astros, though Petit did earn a win against Saint Louis last year.

On the other side, the Cardinals will be sending out Adam Wainwright to end their four game slide.  Wainwright spent about two and a half months on the DL with a sprained middle finger, an uncommon injury outside of New York.  Despite that, he's put up some pretty good numbers, a 7-3 record and a 3.04 ERA.  He's been pretty solid in his two starts back from rehab, putting up quality starts both times.  Adam Dunn may be looking forward to seeing Waintwright on the mound though- he's 4 for 10 with a home run and two walks against Wainwright in his career.   He's the only Diamondback who's got double digits in plate appearances against Wainwright, though. 

In the glorious afterglow of yesterday's game, it's easy to feel shades of optimism about our offense here, particularly with the AP reports trumpeting the fact that Stephen Drew's been hitting .364 in our last 25 home games.  Lately, of course, the bats have been- well, I'm not sure sporadic is a strong enough word here.  In the last ten games, we've scored seven or more runs in three games, and two or fewer runs in five games.  Guess what our record looks like in those games. 

But now is not the day for such worries- now is the day for baseless, absolutely unbridled optimism!  Let's go, Diamondbacks!

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Nothing to add yet

but I have to say, great GDT opening! ;)

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

Figure since I’m not putting it together in a panic, I’ll put a little bit of work into it. =)

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

what did you do???? you stole kishi’s opener!!!

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Sep 2, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and

did anyone catch right after the game last night? Stephen said he wasn’t sick. I don’t know where the booth got that from and which party is right, but either way, I hope they clarify during pregame tonight.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I did see that

At first I thought it was a “After a game like that, I feel fine” sort of thing, but he seemed to be okay in the interview. Odd.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere after the game that

Juan Cruz wasn’t available as he had a 102 degree temperature, so they must have gotten the wrong idea that it was Drew.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

Wonder if they just heard it in rushed conversation and mixed it up.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

After checking,

I found it was the East Valley Tribune that said Cruz had a 102 temp. on Sunday and was given Monday off.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh....

Cruz, Drew, what’s the difference? Four letters.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, three. But still.

by Azreous on Sep 3, 2008 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least they sound sort of similar.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant

in their surnames.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I probably should have said

what do they have in common?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the word on Justin Upton and his head clanking?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 2, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

According to the East Valley Tribune

He’s doing okay. They said they might give him the day off today, but it doesn’t look like there’s any long-term problems.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hi everybody

i just got back from a debate trip to LA. BTW that was my little brother that did the fake foulpole thing. he called me just after i left and told me he was going to, i was hoping he wouldn’t, but he’s hell bent on being a troll (stupid rockies fan…) so anyway sorry about that, iv’e seen to it that it wont happen again. Its good to be back, and go dbacks!

are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by utahdbacksfan on Sep 2, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Just got a phone call from Kishi, he heard on the radio that Justin Upton WILL be starting tonight.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Niiice.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup

1. Drew, SS
2. Eckstein, 2B
3. Jackson, LF
4. Dunn, 1B
5. Reynolds, 3B
6. Young, CF
7. Montero, C
8. Upton, RF
9. Petit, P

The main story of course is Upton starting in RF, so Kishi is right.

by singaporedbacksfan on Sep 2, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

They switched in Romero on gameday

by singaporedbacksfan on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news!!

Kershaw’s starting tonight for LA. Muahaha…

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Lincecum getting shelled

in the 4th inning. Already gave up 3 runs and then a 2-run home to Troy Boy. Not a quality start for Lincecum today.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Romero is listed on the TV graphic for being in RF

I missed the pregame talk so I don’t know if that’s a mistake or if Upton was pulled last minute.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Upton was pulled at the last minute, still has a bit of a headache, so they don’t want to push him.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glaus single...

Hmm…. tread lightly with Mr. Pujols, Petit.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

That'll do.

Now, do the same thing with that druggie Rick Ankiel.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid Inning of Work

So that’s what good starting pitching looks like…

by Gravity on Sep 2, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that works.

Now let’s get him some RUNS!!

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, it's better to rest someone after a head injury

even if it seems to be nothing,he can always pinch hit.

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's very off-topic

but Don LaFontaine died yesterday. This really bums me out.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In a world

I read that today. Only 68 years old too.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for the happy memories

heres 5 Men in a Limo

And on a somewhat less sad note, John Leader’s (the second guy in the limo) website says he retired yesterday too. The world sounds a lot less interesting that it did before the weekend.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't that be rephased?

“In a world…without Don LaFontaine…things are much less interesting.”

(Say this in a deep voice.)

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 2, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There we go!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eckstein batting 2nd.

Yay.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Although

that 2-0 pitch looked a little high.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

OK

been gone and out of touch since Thursday. Just how much has this team changed?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Sep 2, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

anyone?

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Sep 2, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

::tries not to think::

about chopped liver.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Webb, Haren and Johnson

were all replaced by pod-people, we have a new (and very scrappy) second baseman and Justin Upton’s brief reappearance was interrupted by pick-off throw to the head. It’s been an interesting weekend.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Thursday?

Hmm… since then, we’re only up 2 1/2 games instead of 3 1/2 because the Dodgers took 2 of 3. Our starting pitching has continued to completely suck it up, but the offense reappeared yesterday (mainly in the form of Stephen Drew) and bailed out Johnson.

Changes? Added Eckstein, Romero, Slaten, D’Antona, Hammock, and a few others I can’t think of.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting times

God willing all these changes wont be for naught

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Sep 2, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright hitting in front of Izturis? Thats interesting…

by singaporedbacksfan on Sep 2, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

They did it yesterday too

Think it’s one of LaRussa’s general tactics to have the pitcher in the #8 spot. More chance of getting people on base for Pujols.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evening folks

With no rush to post a Gameday Thread – thanks, Kishi, very helpful as I was dealing with some irritating hackage this afternoon – went out for curry before heading home. Sounds like the Petit Unit is doing well so far. Let’s hope the Diamondbacks can get him some support!

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Mmmm curry

Makes my spaghetti look like weak sauce.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer

red sauce on my spaghetti

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irritating Hackage

present and accounted for.

Go Dbacks!

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Yeah, it’s all about you, ’hacks. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

[in Roseanne Rosannadanna voice]:

Never mind!

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 2, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and don’t forget, we can always take turns posting the Gameday Thread… especially if kishi loses. :) Just email one of us, we’ll get it up… no need to rush!!

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero again?

I don’t mind when he catches Petit, but don’t want to see him when Randy starts.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh poo :-(

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Ick

And it was going so well, too. Still, we have to wait until we’re four runs down before we come back – isn’t that how it works? :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

my theory is..

nowadays the bats don’t turn up till the 6th inning

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Long As

We can keep theirs from coming around until then.

by Gravity on Sep 2, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooooh.....

too late.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gracie was blabbering about how Glaus was such a good pickup for St. Louis and Glaus getting homers and bam, he hits out for 2 runs. Sigh.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

God I Wish

We didn’t have to mention Rockies scores.

by Gravity on Sep 2, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincecum out after 5 innings

5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO. Not his best. That’s okay. I got a little sick of hearing/reading how he was now the Cy Young favorite.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking of making a Manny voodoo doll

and breaking it’s arm

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then lighting it on fire?

by Gravity on Sep 2, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno.

In Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, they stuck one in a fire, too.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lego Indy?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lego Star Wars...

There’s Lego Indiana Jones too. I got it for Wii for my birthday. :) It’s on computer platforms too though. They’re quite fun.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

interesting……

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally

I’m looking forward to Lego Batman. That one looks cool.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

AQctually

voodoo dolls for cursing are a European invention blackguarding African religion,they were used for healing.It’s European witches who used to make poppets and do horrible things to them for sympathetic magic.

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support

this course of action.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting game in Florida

Atlanta 14, Florida 14, in the eighth…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Really!

Wow! Talk about a football score…. and it could easily become 17-14…

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap!

Another walk followed by another homer.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh bugger

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Yadier Freaking Molina?

Two nights in a row??

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

So... what version of Petit is this?

Besides, clearly, PodPetit or Petit Beta….

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yuseless Petit

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What ever it was

That affected Haren, Webb and Johnson has clearly spread to Petit… :-(

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

either

they all got nailed in the ribs, or the Invasion of the Body Snatchers has begun with Arizona starting pitchers. Somebody throw a Dodgers fan off a cliff and see if they react.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 2, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way,

I’m not a fan of these developments.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

And now

Felipe Freaking Lopez again too??

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

May have to go look for new Prison Break online as I missed it yesterday.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I didnt realize it

til just now, but STL is tied (w Cubs) for league high OPS+ (112)

Wainwright’s curve looks very good. Monday’s come from behind win is looking bigger than ever.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

oh sure

cards have a pretty weak pen. it could happen, but getting rid of wainwright looks tough, that’s all

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have three LHB out of the next 4 batters due up. Let’s hope they can get to Wainwright in our 5th.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As usual,

foulpole is constantly obsessed with handedness.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

CoJack doubles.

Good start?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

A hit, a palpable hit!

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Breaking up

the no-hitter.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, Mark!

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty borderline call there....

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Dammit.....

GOTTA SWING THERE, MARK!!

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks for breaking up that unnerving string of Napoleons

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm

Okay, this isn’t anything that they can’t solve by batting around in the bottom of the fifth.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd feel a lot better

if we had Shepherd Book in the lineup

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 2, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

tru dat

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 2, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

[breathless Mickey Rooney voice, wide eyed Judy Garland looking over his shoulder]:

Why, this idea is crazy enough, it just might work!

Whaddya say, gang ?!

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slaten did his job.

Let’s get some runzzz!!!

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay

Bottom of the sixth, then.

Come on, offense, Wainwright isn’t this good.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a quick 5th.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

A 9 pitch 5th and Wainwright’s pitch count is only 68.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh

Hard to get into the game when the pitching and offense seem intent on taking us out of it. :-(

by Jim McLennan on Sep 2, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hooookay.

I’m gonna go away again.
Do some Harmony I homework or somethin…

What the hell has happened to this team?

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 2, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

you

and your orange soda

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No orange soda tonight.

Promise. Actually, none since the last time.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem?

We don’t seem to get the same team two games in a row.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosales

Not on his game tonight.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad

I felt I brought my A material to starting the thread today, but the team just couldn’t support it.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You did, you really did

Don’t blame yourself for this one…

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’m just meant to be an emergency spot starter.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are still 2-1 when doing the GDT, though, right?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 2, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a bad record at all

Don’t worry, you’re up for the September call-ups… we’ll see how you do in a part-time role…

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take the Yusmeiro Petit role

Sometimes I’ll start threads, sometimes I’ll just come in for the overflow, wherever I’m needed. =)

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely in

the overflow role, you are very greatly appreciated! :)

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who does that make me?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we establish this already?

You’re the Orlando Hudson of the Snakepit.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Badda bing!

But amongst relievers?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Juan Cruz is pretty chatty...

but quite a bit taller and darker skinned than you…

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to imply

that I’m short?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm still 2-0 for now

We could still turn this one around.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now a two run double for Wainwright. He’s killing us tonight.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

4-6-3!

Hey, it’s something.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Leo

How many times are you planning to load the bases this inning?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, Rosales having a bad night...

but, at some point, someone’s got to take one for the team.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think that they were giving Poo anything to hit there.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Where did that 1-2 miss?

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Really lucky we only gave up three runs there.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s hope that Wainwright is rusty from their long half inning.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a really bad feeling

That tonight is the night the division race finally turns the wrong way for us.

by Gravity on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

As opposed to

those two games we lost to the Dodgers?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about a little levity, Gravity?

by Diamondhacks on Sep 2, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

JEFF SALAZAR!!!

TRIPLE!! That’s my boyyyy! Man I can’t wait to see him next week.

by snakecharmer on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Solid leadoff three bagger for Sally!

——-!

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice triple for Salazar!

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Another RBI for Eckstein

So far, been pretty happy with him.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

We broke the shutout!

Nice job, Eck!

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Eckstein!

He’s so little and scrappy!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

CoJack takes a walk

How about a bomb here, Dunn?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally, Wainwright is struggling.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Well,

at least CoJack is doing his job trying to get Wainwright out of the game.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

Ron Villone! Maybe he’ll walk Adam Dunn on 4 pitches again!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

And then get tossed an inning later?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet.....

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another full count to the Beast.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Alas

It’s that other thing we try to forget Adam Dunn does.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Argh.

8 pitch K.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon!

At LEAST make this score a little more respectable.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Oy

what’s going on here?

What's for dinner, mum? Heinz Baked Beans.

by soco on Sep 2, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Not much good at the moment

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at dinner

looked up at the TV and saw 2-0. Looked up a little bit later, and it was 4-0. Then I looked up and saw 6-0.

What's for dinner, mum? Heinz Baked Beans.

by soco on Sep 2, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

You should stop looking at the TV.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys

should obviously try harder in here.

What's for dinner, mum? Heinz Baked Beans.

by soco on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all BoMel’s fault.

;-)

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds just swung at ball 4.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Sigh

Have we ever won a game that Slaten or Rosales pitched in? Seriously. We may have, but I just don’t remember any. I guess somebody has to do mop up when Cy Opposing Pitcher practically no hits us.

by TwinnerA on Sep 2, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes

I just went to look, and Slaten hasn’t pitched in a game we’ve won since June 12th. That’s depressing.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 2, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosales

has had some good outings…. and I remember him winning at least one game, I think….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have hazy memories

of Slaten being pretty good early in the season. Rosales too.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 2, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only imagine a game that both of them would pitch in that was a blow out one way or the other.

by foulpole on Sep 2, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid lead off 2 bagger for Miggy the other way!

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

That 2-1 to CY was a strike???

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Solid single for CY!

Two on, nobody out!

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

And nothing

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, at least we are making it interesting.

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

We are trying to make it interesting

We are bordering on scoring, which, to me, isn’t very interesting until we actually score….

by snakecharmer on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might be able to work up

a modest simulation of interest for a run or two, but going to bed early sounds like more fun.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball is a game of failure. As soon as you understand that you may enjoy the game more.

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

…. I don’t enjoy watching the struggles of stranding runners in scoring position yet again, no…. should I?

Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

by snakecharmer on Sep 3, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's

how you suck all the air out of a room Nice work, D-Backs.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

sigh....

… I really don’t know what else to say any more…

I'll make it.

by Shums on Sep 3, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Very disappointing

performance by the D-Backs. In a few years, when they’re mentoring young stars through A-ball or “starring” for the Royals and Pirates, these guys are gonna look back on this season with a lot of regret.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harsh

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling very snarky tonight

Fear my peavishness!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

But doesn't it seem

like we have a whole team (well, maybe half a team) or Travis Lees right now?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really

I see a team full of guys doing what they do – several having career years. Eric Byrnes fell off a cliff, with the hammies, but who else on this team isnt pulling his weight or making a professional effort?

by Diamondhacks on Sep 3, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see a team

that has had a few bright spots and a lot of wasted potential. Kudos to the small improvements. Demerits for the dismal batting with runners on base, record-breaking error totals, painful clutch pitching, zombie-like effort in important games down the stretch.

On the whole, it’s a team that builds up hopes and then squashes them back down with relentless efficiency.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see

alot of wasted potential. Every team has some, but alot? Sorry. Thery’re just not a very good team. They werent last year and they’re not now. That’s on the front office, imo, not the players or Bob Melvin.

Again, who’s putting out the “zombie like” effort here? Conor Jackson? Career year. Drew? Career year. Reynolds? Career year. Snyder? Career year. Upton? Career year. Chris Young has been a disappointment, but his OPS+ sits exactly at 89, like last year. Brandon Webb? Haren? Johnson? Doug Davis? The preseasn consensus around here was that Brandon Lyon was a 4.00 ERA pitcher. Most of the other subpar efforts can be attributed to injury, I think, or are fairly inconsequental bench players.

Record breaking errors? If you mean fielding errors, they’re around 4th worst, but they’ve also got several guys playing out of position – and Reynolds has been a defensive liability since high school. Everybody knew this. Is that the players or coaches fault? If you mean mental errors, again, I dont see it. Not relative to other teams.

On the whole, it’s a team that builds up hopes…

Big April, ok. But you dont think that’s their default ability level, do you? Maybe they were better prepared than everyone else coming out of spring training? The other thing that I think contributes to this is the front office’s constant selling creates impatient, coddled fans and sets unrealistic expectations for the players. I mean, here we are in September, up two games, and intelligent fans like you are wistfully talking about regret?

by Diamondhacks on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Conor Jackson? Career year. Drew? Career year. Reynolds? Career year. Snyder? Career year. Upton? Career year.

Seeing as how these players have been in the majors for, respectively, parts of 4, 3, 2, 5, and 2 seasons, and are ages 26, 25, 25, 27, and 21, this is kind of an asinine argument to be making….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt get hung up

on the term ‘career year’. The point is all these individuals are progressing and playing as well as – indeed better in many cases – than they have in previous years. If you want to attribute it to natural chronological progression and not BoMel’s tutelage, fine. That wasnt really my point. I just think it’s hard to reconcile those independent improvements, across virtually your entire starting lineup, with the idea the “team” is guilty of “zombie-like effort”.

Is somebody’s head not in the game? Not competing? Physically out of shape? Any more than our rivals? Did last year’s squad of scrappers magically morph into a complacent crew? They didnt look complacent in Monday’s come from behind win. Sometimes you just get beat by better teams. And sometimes you get beat by lesser teams, no matter how hard you try. That’s baseball. What this year’s team is missing, more than anything else, is last year’s shockingly fortuitous luck.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 3, 2008 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you're going to argue

with hyperbole on one side, you’re going to have to expect the same thing from us. I appreciate that things may not actually be shambling around the field moaning “braaaaiiiiinsss!” but this is a team that doesn’t seem to have much heart. We’re watching the second of two exceptionally ugly home stands in the midst of a pennant “race” and the players don’t look like they can manage the effort or attention to win (or even make a good showing) in most of the game.

And thank you for the pat on the head and the “you win some, you lose some” explanation of baseball. I’m sure most of us had forgotten that and are better off for your patient instruction. But stubborn, bitter creature that I am, I’ll go ahead and keep celebrating our victories and lamenting our losses, especially when the losses are as ugly as last nights.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh....

anyone who attacks ’Hacks so vehemently must be new here. ;-)

You should have seen him LAST year.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guilty

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I feel like an idiot for being sucked in so completely.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing personal intended

but your implication that I’m robbing people of an opportunity to get emotionally involved with the team is a bit over the top. You’re the one sullying this team’s character. I just think most of this talk about “heart” and “zombie like effort” is misplaced, that’s all. I understand it’s a very popular sentiment; hell, I wrote scathing diatribes about Bob Melvin’s ennui for years before I realized it’s mostly nonsense :- )

I dont want to put words in your mouth, but you seem to be promoting an idea – that the team is “trying” when they win and not trying enough when they lose – that is suspiciously deterministic – and suggests the team should win a great deal more than they do for but a lack of “effort”.

And the reason I’m calling bullshit, is because you’ve demonstrated an ability to think and say intelligent things, and I thought it might be worth it.

Sorry if you consider that a pat on the head – but it’s true.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 3, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Hacks

You suckered me into a pointless argument once, bu tit’s not something I enjoy. You’ll have to find your entertainment elsewhere.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 4, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible that many people put way to much value on MLEs, the hype machine and minor league success??

They expect that to transfer to MLB???

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

What else are they supposed to base their projections off of other than minor league success?

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whitesell (sp?) BMOC in the minors. Welcome the The Show rook.

LMAO!

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was that an answer?

It really didn’t seem to be.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was

like this last night, too.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Solid ribby single for the Beast!!!

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

8-2

Just a half dozen more innings like this, and we’ll be all tied up!

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice shot through the box for Reynolds!!!

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Adam Dunn rules.

So does Mark.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Miggy needs to learn how to lean into pitches. That’s two HBPs he could have had tonight.

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

CY has no clue what to do with pitches on the outer third.

:-(

by foulpole on Sep 3, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

1-2-3 Inning for Rauch

That, at least, is a bonus.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Now

if only we could get him to do that when we’re not already down by 6 runs….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what he is supposed to do

A bonus would be if he did that when we had a lead.

by TwinnerA on Sep 3, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Jon Rauch getting a 1-2-3 inning made Gameday’s head explode….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Kee-RASH!!!

Not my favorite game of the year.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Um....

I know he went 0-4, but why the heck would you pinch hit for Drew??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I came to work today

and found a pile of the latest Terry Brooks’ book, with a note, “please return, books are misprinted.” Apparently page 285 was missing half of the page, mid-sentence.

So I process the return, go through the whole motions and then my boss comes out and says, “we got an email from the publisher.” They said that a character was blown up mid-page, hence why there was an abrupt end there, before the story continued on the next page.

Of course, the end of the email was the best part:

"It seemed like a good idea at the time…

What's for dinner, mum? Heinz Baked Beans.

by soco on Sep 3, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Remarkable. And brilliant….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my professors today

after collecting the assignment from the weekend….
“How many of you noticed the major change in the directions?”
(3 people raised their hands-me and the other two in my group)
“Ok. You three, I’ll take your papers, the rest of you? Read the prompt again, and turn in your papers on Thursday.”

I wonder how long it’ll take the rest of the class to realize that in the middle of the writing prompt, it said “Turn in a page, blank, save for your heading.”

Awesome.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 3, 2008 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Um....

that can’t be the paper that you were lamenting procrastinating over, can it?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Different class. I would have been lamenting this one if I hadn’t read all of the directions.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 3, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

But.

I did get the other one done…like 30 minutes before class.

I suck at this whole not-procrastinating thing.
Although, I did all of my homework that’s due on Thursday tonight. So I feel a bit better. :-)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 3, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

30 minutes before class?

Welcome to college.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 3, 2008 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

You know it’s early in the semester since it was a whole 30 minutes.

"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."

by kishi on Sep 3, 2008 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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