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Gameday Thread, #152: 9/18 vs. Giants

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San Francisco Giants @ Arizona Diamondbacks


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Tim Lincecum
RHP, 17-3, 2.43
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Randy Johnson
LHP, 10-9, 4.11

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First off, at time of writing, I don't know if Cox has fixed the cable at home yet. It's probably best to assume not - so unless I pop up in the comments tonight, if someone can take care of the recap again, it'd be appreciated. Everything is scheduled to be repaired, but knowing what home service is like, I am not holding my breath they will show up in the window promised by Cox, never mind fixing the issue. [Late update: the word is that the tech has arrived and solved the problem - a bad external cable - so that's a step forward. However, I'm not promising anything till I get home and can verify it's all good!]

Also, you may have noticed a new button at the bottom of some posts - 'Buzz Up'. If those of you with Yahoo! account [which would include fantasy league players] could take a second to click on these buttons when you see them, that'll help promote the story, and hence the site. Your co-operation in this matter is appreciated. ;-)

A good win last night, showing some fortitude in coming back from a three-run deficit, with Webb shutting it down and two - count 'em, two - hits with runners in scoring position. Admitedly, one was by Webb, and we're still only 4-for-51 with RISP on this homestand, but we will take it and move on. We need another victory, thanks to the Dodgers squeaking past the Pirates in 12, but Timcecum is 2-0 with a 2.38 ERA against the Diamondbacks this year. Among those with more than three PAs, CoJack is the only one to be having any success, being 5-for-14 with three double. Mark Reynolds is 2-for-7 and has a couple of walks too.

Johnson has been stuck with four no-decisions in a row, despite three quality starts in those outings. Last time out, he allowed one run over six innings, though the strikeouts were uncharacteristically low, at three. Given the importance of a win tonight, both to keep our momentum going and to help Webb towards a Cy Young, narwhals will continue. What I really want to have a picture of a narwhal...with St. Penelope riding on its back. Ideally, wearing a metal bikini and waving a sword, like some kind of aquatic Valkyrie - but that's probably just me then. Instead, we'll just go with this one.

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Well, if worst comes to worst...

I’m able to pick up tonight’s recap, but I’ve got tomorrow on tap already, so if anybody else wants to pry it from my cold, dead fingers, I won’t put up much of a fight.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have some work to finish this evening

but hopefully I’ll be paying attention for most of this one. I am, though, watching the Giants’ broadcast so the information I get from them is skewed and will include lots of Lincecum fawning so I may not get the full story.

I’ll do it before it falls to Azreous, but I won’t complain if somebody else volunteers.

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lots of Lincecum fawning

Not much difference from the Dbacks broadcast….

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would volunteer

if I

1) were an author
2) had a tv
3) was planning on watching the game (instead, it’s date night. :-D)

Have a good night. Go DBacks.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 18, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool, have fun!! :)

I’ve got to wait till Saturday for my date, le sigh. I don’t even know the schedule, am I missing the game?

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't look at me

I doubt I’ll see any of the game since I have an essay to finish.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello, teh Interwebz!

We are back and in full effect. Well, I haven’t actually checked the cable TV, but the Internet is working very nicely, thank you. So consider yourselves all given the night off recap duty. :-) Thanks for the offers though.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As you can tell

we were all jumping at the bit.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 18, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I want a win tonight, as I have one more Lolnarwhal that I need to post. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tubes

have been restored?

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So I Feel Really Stupid

But what’s with the narwhal thing?

Gravity Says: Re-sign Adam Dunn

by Gravity on Sep 18, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim

has been killed by the Narwhal Liberation Army, and replaced by a Jim-bot that only can post narwhals.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 18, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least it's not

the Narwhal Freedom League.

Bob Melvin: Black Denarian in disguise.

by nargel on Sep 18, 2008 11:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Before Tuesdday night's game

I posted a pic of an amusing Narwhal vs. Unicorn playset. We won. On Wednesday i posted a Lolnarwhal. We won – and gained ground on the Dodgers for the first time in almost three weeks.

I have absolutely no intention of bucking this apparent trend. Whatever it takes. Whatever. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Narwhals are majestic and take no prisoners.

All true.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

You can put them together with the bottle-nose dolphin and you have a full cocktail set.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

are we sure it’s the narwhal? Are we sure it’s not the Giants?

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's the narwhal

Last week, Giants and no narwhal, and we lost.

This week, Giants and narwhal, and we won.

This is true science.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 12:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah!

It’s….. like, special relativity, or something.

Who are we to doubt Einstein??

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'd be heathens

that’s what.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Can we be heathens and agree with Einstein? Because, I’m all with the science, but I hear heathens throw some pretty good parties…

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

I guess.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 1:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No,

you’re thinking of Greeks.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

I hear those druids really know how to rock.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So do the Norse.

They call it Ragnarok.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boooooo

And yes, we’re actually saying, “boo.”

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 1:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No you're not.

You’re saying “PHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL.” It just kinda sounds like booing.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

they sound a lot alike.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 2:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Today’s line up:

S. Drew ss .287
A. Ojeda 3b .249
C. Jackson lf .294
A. Dunn 1b .235
J. Upton rf .255
M. Montero c .259
C. Young cf .245
D. Eckstein 2b .167
R. Johnson p .159

Augie at number two and Miggy gets the start and we four LHBs in the line up tonight.

by foulpole on Sep 18, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Snyder

No 295

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just saying

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does it matter...

…when we’re playing against Lincecum?

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those other guys:

R. Winn rf .313
I. Ochoa 2b .204
R. Aurilia 3b .286
B. Molina c .284
P. Sandoval 1b .347
A. Rowand cf .275
E. Velez lf .252
O. Vizquel ss .204
T. Lincecum p .169

by foulpole on Sep 18, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and how

many of them are righties? Do the gnats obsess over this as much as you.?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7

if anyone cares

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do the gnats obsess over this as much as you.?

No one does…. ::Kim Jong Il::

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orange-peel beef calls

:-) Back shortly, will be monitoring from the dining-room…

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Droooooooooooo

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 18, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three

pretty well hit balls in a row v Lincecum

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Four

pretty well hit balls in a row v Johnson

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naturally.

Evil Incarnate™ catches Dunn’s flyout and the third out of the inning, on a ball that looked like it might leave.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Back from orange-peel beef

People…people…. What happened? I’ll expect better from you next time I slide off – I will finally be getting that haircut tonight! The hairdresser was just saying that Noah Lowry is staying at the hotel where she works during the day, on his rehab assignment – he’s playing in the Giants instructional league here.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

19 pitches for Lincecum

We keep swinging at things early and popping them up. Haven’t most of the 6 ours been pop-ups?

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

10.27 K/9, second in the majors only to Haren among starters with 100 IP.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 10:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Impressively, Johnson is 11th

On the same list. Not bad for an old geezer. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 10:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And first

in baseball history, career 10.7K/9IP

Four thousand innings. Not too shabby

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m a fan of RJ but still not convinced that he was worth the 2 year $36 mil that we paid for him.

by foulpole on Sep 18, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$26 million.

And the Yankees picked up 2 mil of that.

Still a little much, but I don’t think it’s such a bad deal.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per cots…

2 years/$26M (2007-08)

    * signed extension 1/07 as part of trade from NY Yankees to Arizona
    * $12M signing bonus ($3.5M in 2007, $0.5M in 2008, $4M each in 2009-10) (no interest)
    * 07:$4M, 08:$10M (Yankees to pay $2M of 2007 salary)
    * 2 years/$32M (2006-07)
          o signed extension 1/05, facilitating trade to Yankees
          o 06:$16M, 07:$16M ($1.5M each year deferred at 0% interest)
          o $9M in deferred salaries (05-07) to be paid $3.5M each in 2008 & 2009, $2M in 2010
          o full no-trade clause
          o Arizona remains responsible for $1M personal services contract
          o 2005 in performance bonuses remain ($1M Cy Young, $0.15M 2nd, $0.1M 3-5; $0.25M MVP, $0.15M 2nd, $0.1M 3-5; $0.1M WS MVP; $50,000 All Star, Gold Glove, LCS MVP)

What ever it is it’s still way more of a BS waste of money then many of the other contracts that we have had.

by foulpole on Sep 18, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What ever it is it’s still way more of a BS waste of money then many of the other contracts that we have had.

This is funny, coming from such a huge Eric Byrnes fan.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shrug

Injury is a risk in all contracts. If he’s simply sucked this year, you’d have more of a point, but 27 starts with an ERA of of four is more than acceptable.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 11:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure which "many" you're thinking of.

Shawn Green, Russ Ortiz, Shawn Estes, Troy Glaus, Richie Sexson, Elmer Dessens, Todd Stottlemyre, Armando Reynoso, Bernard Gilkey, Willie Blair…THOSE were wastes of money (to different degrees). I don’t see how Johnson this season exceeds any of those, even if he’s paid more than any of the aforementioned people.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ

must be the one old guy that foulpole doesn’t revere.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BUt Eric Byrnes

was worth the 30 million he got, right?

A sure bet for a hall of famer versus and over paid blue collar type players? Hmmm?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haren?

He leads the NL in K/BB ratio, but Lincecum leads the majors in K/9 (10.27).

(Randy’s 5th in the NL in K/9 and third in K/BB)

Baseball-Ref

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's been looking good out there lately

::waits for mrssoco to say he always looks good::

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He always looks good.

I just wish he’d get those eyebrows taken care of…

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

it’s like a Thunderbirds puppet.

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 18, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But then

he wouldn’t be CoJack!!

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I hate it when guys do stuff to their eyebrows.

by TwinnerA on Sep 18, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

that’s lame too, but CoJack IS the eyebrows.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he's doing the job

without having to do the EB “Flipper” routine too! Can there be any doubt who our LFer is next season?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

because Byrnes makes a lot more money and you can’t justifiably pay your franchise player to sit on the bench (unless he’s really bad, like Andruw). I’m not saying it shouldn’t be a debate (or not one), but it will be an issue.

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'll be a hot

topic all winter, that’s for sure.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 18, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

little ball

yay

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 18, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Omar Vizquel

seems to tear us up, too.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same thing

with Rich Aurilia

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How'd ya like

Scottsdale Steroid’s meaningless dash to third with two outs and Sandoval coming up?

Savvy veteran play

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was in the car when it happened.

And I yelled and pumped my fist while driving down Swan Rd.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My brother

used to live off Swan. It was a quieter neighborhood then ;-)

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Swan and which cross street?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a long time ago

, but it might’ve been Speedway. There was a high school nearby with a nice track.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be Speedway.

The “Ugliest Street in America” back in the 1970s. Rincon High is pretty close.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My bro

lived off Speedway in the late 80’s, when it had cleaned itself up sufficiently to be “The Eegees Capital of the World”.

I lived in Tucson myself, around 1983-84, near Country Club and Prince. In October 1983, this was known as The Wettest Intersection in the World .

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 3:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You weren't in Winterhaven, were you?

There’s a very unique steakhouse at Country Club and Prince that apparently used to be a mosque. (Yeah, figure THAT one out. At least it’s not a porkchophouse.) Dunno if it was there when you lived there.

Eegees is awesome, but I believe that technically the Eegees capital of the world is down on Ajo. (I work nearby)

In October 1983, this was known as The Wettest Intersection in the World .

And, you lived right by the river. GOOOD planning.

First time I moved to Tucson was in August of ’92, so I remember #2 on that 20th century list, the January floods in ’93. Pretty impressive, but they were nearly matched by the floods of August ’06.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 4:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont recall the restaurant

but a small mosque sounds vaguely familiar. We were just north of Winterhaven, where the grid kinda meandered through a mishmash of properties leading to the wash. In ’83, a couple condos across the street, east of Country Club, got undercut and smashed into the Rillito. Tom Brokaw led with that on the national evening news. Made for good television.

We got “rescued” by the Natl Guard, in the middle of the night, after my car floated away.

Good times.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 5:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa......

Ouch. Timcecum hit on the fingers of the left hand.

While fouling off a bunt for strike 3.

Injury to insult?

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timcecum

goes to the clubhouse, looks like.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now I feel bad

for thinking all those nasty things about him. :-(

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lincecum hit by RJ attempting to bunt

I guarantee that’s not what anybody wanted to happen to the kid. :(

He looks okay, though he’s not being given 1B.

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two excellent points

1. The ball wasnt that far inside and no way Randy wanted to hit him. Tim’s back foot was almost touching the plate when he squared around.

2. He wasnt awarded first, cuz it’s a strike if you square around and fail to withdraw the bat – evn if you get plunked.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grace was also pointing out

that, in that situation, your hand is considered a part of the bat.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if you withdraw the bat, it’s not. Maybe if you bunt it fair with your knuckles or something, the ball’s in play. I really dont know the ruling on that, but my default position is Grace is probably wrong ;- )

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timcecum

back in the dugout.

Probably gonna be black and blue tomorrow, though.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was it his throwing hand or his glove hand?

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glove hand

But he bats left. It hit his pointer and middle finger wrapped around the bat.

by TwinnerA on Sep 19, 2008 1:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, okay

Thanks.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seven hits in five innings off Johnson

But only one run. I think they should pull Lincecum, just to be safe… :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently...

CoJack has a 10-game hitting streak going.

I had no idea.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quietest hitting streak

EVER….

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he isn't growing a scary mustache

We don’t notice.

Still awesome though. Go Conor.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do

we hit all our doubles with 2 outs tonight??

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would prefer

if we rolled differently.

Josh Byrnes: PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RE-SIGN ADAM DUNN!!

by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

the runs

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alas,

RJ does not continue our “pitchers hitting with RISP” streak.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McCC

has a very amusing graphic for their overflow thread….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahahaha

Creepy.. but quite funny.

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DROO!!

Yay! A double with NOT 2 outs!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And,

the Droobirds descend.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naturally,

BoMel calls on Augie to bunt….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

[insert angry rant here]

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OH.....

ouch….. CoJack nailed HARD.

By Lincecum, no less. OW!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CoJack

nailed on the left wrist…. trainer out to look, he seems okay.

Does CoJack have a target on him or something??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What batter leads the NL

in HBP per AB?

(Hint: It’s a Dback)

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos Quentin?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was jk,

since Q leads the world in HBPs.

I AM surprised that it’s Augie, though. Small target.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Upton

is our last chance.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howzabout

a wild pitch here to tie the game?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OR A TRIPLE!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TRIPLE!!!

Over the head of Velez!

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2-1!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I AM GOOD LUCK

Turned on the TV to witness CoJack running at me :)

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....and suddenly

you were worried that you might wake up? And then you realized that you weren’t asleep?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I knew it wasn't my dream

CoJack was too clothed.

… what?

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's face it.

Even disrobed, Conor’s eyebrows would still cover up a respectable amount of him.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a rather disturbing image.

(But probably true. ;))

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's somewhat curious

that you’re actually thinking about these things….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speak for yourself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People who live in Reynold-sexual homes

should not throw stones.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reynoldsphobe!!

My sexual orientation is NONE of your business.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And,

he wasn’t riding on a white stallion in the middle of a field of daisies?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stallion not necessary, daisies nice addtion.

Have you been sneaking looks in romance novels?

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah. I just know these things offhand.

I’m a heartthrob like that.

::turns head, slightly, whipping long dark hair out of his eyes like a black waterfall….::

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jk.

I’d rather have my fingernails torn out than grow long hair.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes,yes,yes

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy crap.....

Upton pulled a triple from about 2 inches off the plate…. WAAAY low.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shades of Vlad Guerrero.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Upton

has a much prettier swing.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

Not too hard to do, though. Vladie’s might be the most violent swing in the game, when he really gets extended. Sheffield, maybe.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atta boy Upton.

Kid continues to be on fire since being recalled.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You had that standing by

with a space for the name, didn’t you?

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, no...

That was a different one. Eight outs to get, and you’ll be seeing that one tomorrow… This was rather more impromptu.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Daron keeps insisting

Jup ran three bases in the time it took Conor to run two. But Conor was on first base and scored on the triple. Oh, well.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey.....

I was told there would be no math?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

It’s rare to see someone outside my family throw out that line.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do what I can.

How do you know I’m not your long lost brother?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I can’t say for certain. But it seems unlikely.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, I guess you could

You’re only born a month and a half before my sister, so If they lied about your birth date…

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 2:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm.....

you have a sister, eh??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 2:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can RJ

pitch a complete game?? I REALLY want him to get this win, and I do NOT trust ANYONE in our bullpen.

Well, Qualls, kinda. But still.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably not.

82 through six. Could certainly sneak another inning or two in though.

Qualls or Cruz. That’s about all I trust right now.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ow.

RJ takes a ball to his right cheekbone.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Humajubawhat?

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Errrr.......

not quite sure how to respond to this.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ones

by the pool, enveloping Brad Steinke. Russ Meyer must have rented the Riviera suite.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but next time,

could you please be a little more considerate with your choice of words? The women here would appreciate it.

by snakecharmer on Sep 18, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd appreciate it if

the “women” here didnt swoon quite so loudly and often over CoJack’s body parts.

But that’s just me.

( Didnt mean to offend anyone. Except maybe the young woman by the pool with a boob job and incredibly bad taste in ballgame attire.)

This is sort of a tangent, but the Dbacks have a policy about indecent clothing, and let’s just say I was a little surprised they let her in – even by the pool.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 18, 2008 11:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't recall

any of the women explicitly “swooning loudly and often over CoJack’s body parts”. I don’t recall any of them using an off-color term, either.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you. Me neither.

We like the guys (heck, the men like the guys) but I’ve never known us to be derogatory…

by snakecharmer on Sep 19, 2008 12:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(heck, the men like the guys)

I haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize intentions are only half of the issue

but let me at least spell those out so there’s no misunderstanding on that end. It was not my intention to offend any group sensibility or degrade women with the word “tits”. I was trying to call attention to, and yes degrade, a particular person (a behavior, really) that I thought was in poor taste.

As far as the word itself, I put it on par with knockers, boobs, etc. Is that the level of rhetoric I’m being chastised for here, or is “tits” somehow worse, more “off-color” as Phil says? I honestly didnt realize that, if it is, and if it is, then my mistake.

If it’s connotation is not different than jugs or boobs, etc, then judging from much of the yearlong Conor/Reynolds “discussion” (which I realize is in fun but I imagine not everyone is entirely appreciative of on a baseball blog), then I think my unusually swift chastisement here smacks of a double standard.

But please. Educate me. Maybe I need it.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 12:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“Tits” is definitely a more off color word than “boobs”. So is “hooters”. She was way underdressed, I agree with you, but perhaps a different comment would have been more acceptable.

So there you go. It’s considered a rude reference to a woman’s breasts.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Sep 19, 2008 12:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was

going to say the same thing…. “boobs” seems more cartoonish or childish, whereas “tits” or “jugs” are more raunchy terms. “Knockers” or “hooters”, to me, are in more of a grey area that need not be broached.

But, to me, simply drawing attention expressly to a certain sexually-charged part of the body just isn’t quite necessary. Yes, the girls here swoon over how good looking CoJack is, but the only body part they ever mention is his eyebrows. (Or his stubble, tonight) I’ve never noticed anyone saying anything about his penis.

It’s not like we’re that stuffy here, you know. We have no problem posting pinup pictures of St. Penelope. But it was a bit unnecessary.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

I should’ve known ‘boobs’ was more mainstream, after watching all those awful 1970’s game shows, like Match Game, where the term came up alot. So, you’ve convinced me ‘tits’ is ruder.

Question: Did my reference personally offend you, as a woman, as it was directed towards another specific woman for reasons that should be fairly clear?

I’m trying to think of a gender-opposite analogy. Maybe if someone on this site calls a player a “prick” or something. There’s lots of that here. Doesnt offend me, as a man, if a specific player is targeted, but if one of the posters started ranting “All men are pricks”, that’s different.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 1:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.....

what about, “Wow, look at CoJack’s asscheeks”?

I can tell you that I wasn’t offended by what you said per se, but I knew that Jenny would be, if no one else, and I felt a bit awkward when you said it.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am used to hanging out with solely guys

So I wasn’t offended, but I was surprised to find out that I was being offensive. If someone had told me I would have stopped. I was unaware it bothered anyone.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I don't think any of you have said anything vaguely offensive.

Nothing that comes to mind, anyway.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't

really think of anything particularly comparable, so I just used something explicit.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your comments

have never personally offended me. I find them consistently funny, occasionally brilliant, other times bewildering. For example, the “what not” comment, below, is the funniest thing on this thread.

The rather suggestive and voluminous love affair threads, however, just arent my bag, much the same way stuff I write is surely not appreciated by some. No big deal. Different strokes. Takes a village, and all that.

What offended me wasn’t that you and Phil and others go on these rather extravagent tangents of a romantic (and at least implicitly sexual nature). What offended me was that you do it with relative impugnity because three or four cops here apparently feel it’s all in good fun, appropriate etc, AND when someone else (in this case, me) make one overboard gender remark (and after looking at the video, how overboard is it, really?), I’m called upon, immediately, to tone it down.

I definitely appreciate that words matter, and dont plan on using my word of choice again, but personally, between you and me, I still feel there’s a bit of a double standard with some folks in the neighborhood.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 3:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Those who haven’t had their account privileges suspended will get more latitude in what they can say, than those members, like yourself, who have previously had to have action taken against them as a result of offensive comments. Or have you forgotten your suspension?

It’s the same “double-standard” which makes it hard for convicted fraudsters to get jobs in banks, even if they promise to be really, really honest this time.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 19, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Yet another deflective “double standard” (your personal division of “insiders” who can push the envelope because you know they’re kidding, evidently, vs “outsiders”, who rub you the wrong way for myriad reasons, and must be closely "watched"), to obscure the double standard actually under discussion here. You remember, the healthy debate over the actual message (ie usage, content standards, tone,etc) rather than individual messengers?

This is just another example (ironically and eerily similar to my balleyhooed "banishment"), of you misconstruing a useful, good faith debate to insert your personal grudges between two people perfectly capable of agreeing and moving on. Here, you’re implying that my use of the word “tits” is (and should be) treated differently based on my contentious debate history with you (and shoe) that’s obviously irrelevant to this gender issue and just as obviously still in your craw. Yet that was far from snakecharmer’s intention. She was offended by the word, not by who said it, and while I didnt share her vocab expectations, I unequivocally respect her integrity, and will bend over backwards to accomodate her and abide by whatever standards the community deems appropriate. Why? Because she walks the walk, Jim. She’s unfailingly polite and expects others to follow suit. You’re combative, hold personal grudges, make off color remarks, jump to the defense of people who dont need defending to make matters worse, yet hold others with similar styles to a loftier standard of your own imagination. It’s not a “community” standard and you know it. With me, and a few others, it’s a control thing, and I honestly dont get what you’re so afraid of, because this is a good blog without you and your minions banning, or threatening to ban, outsiders and contrarians on practically a daily basis for reasonable differences of opinion and style.

One reason I assumed “tits” was acceptable here is precisely because of what else gets said in this forum. It’s not a word I’d use around the office, obviously, but snakepit is a place where some have been carrying on smirking, sexually suggestive dialogues (both straight and gay) for months and months. I dont expect them to “change” because I find the quantity of dialog tiresome or “unnecessary”, and I’m ok with the community verdict that my word had a crasser tone than some of their stuff. Message received. And I’m fine with charmer expressing her opinion and all of us getting a chance to understand each other a little better. I can even see how others might feel that incessant romance novel level blather is cute and appropriate while “tits” is harsh and offensive. I would just ask you and your police force to appreciate that not all well meaning adults agree and I can assure them that not everyone here shares their values.

Incidentally, the only reason I took a somewhat combative stance w/ charmer early on was because she turned a personal affront into something of a class action, by claiming I had wronged “women on this blog”. That upset me, because I thought hers was an unnecessary reach. As it turns out, women’s opinions lay somewhere between either charmer’s or my blanket assumptions. We both learned something. We both respect each other. That’s what a blog should be.

Still giggling over likening me to a “fraudster”. Who does that make you, anyway? Eliot Ness?

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Double standard indeed

and if people are so easily offended, maybe those parties should GET A LIFE

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 19, 2008 12:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or conversely

if you felt there was line crossed before, why not just say so instead being passive aggressive?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or maybe

he just felt the polite thing to do was ignore it and talk about baseball?

I guess that’s sort of what bugs me, soco. People can write literally hundreds of comments about Conor Jackson’s face, his ass, wanting to sleep with Conor Jackson, dreaming about Conor Jackson, etc, etc and while I think it’s a bit tedious (the volume more than the quality, to be fair) on a baseball site, I dont say anything because this is a community of individuals trying to have a good time. Individuals different than me.

Then I rather rudely, it turns out, use one sexual reference towards a very specific woman, for like the first time in maybe a thousand comments, by making fun of the biggest goddam boobs ever paraded on a Dbacks remote interview (you really had to see it to believe it) and I’m suddenly “inappropriate”.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 1:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there is a difference

Between obviously non-serious comments about a player and “Did anyone else see those tits?” For one thing, the latter reduces the target to a single body-part: the vast majority of the Jackson-oriented discussion here is not about wanting to sleep with him. To be honest, I’d have had you pretty far down the list of members likely to come out with a line like that, especially in what you know very well is mixed company.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 19, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than "inappropriate",

I would just characterize it as “unnecessary”.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose I should clarify

I don’t really care that you wanted to bring up the woman’s breasts, I was just offended by the word you used for them. It’s just the off-color word choice that I think could’ve been handled differently. I don’t think any of the women here want to impose double standards and say you can’t talk about it! Like I said, just the vocab.

Plus it was a little out of thin air for those not watching but that just made it confusing. :)

by snakecharmer on Sep 19, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus it was a little out of thin air for those not watching but that just made it confusing. :)

Oh…. yeah, you were watching the Giants broadcast, weren’t you?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was only half way watching the game

So I missed it, but have DVR and saw what he was talking about. Then I got scared and stopped responding.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scared

at the ginormous growths of saline or silicone?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:46 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I plead generational culture shock

at this point. It was the infinitesimal bikini top at least as much as the significant size and shape of the boobs. The combination, along with the fact both she and FSN obviously wanted her prominently in the segment ( she was positioned directly next to Steinke) was what surprised me.

Let’s just say she got plenty of exposure.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 4:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Common Ground

First, I appreciate you expressing your objections dispassionately, without lashing back or esclating what I think is mostly a misunderstanding.

Second, I dont want this site to degrade into an ‘F this’ Boyz club any more than you or Jim do – believe me. In fact, I think it’s awesome that the company is so mixed and most everyone feels comfortable expressing themselves as they do.

But I’d also ask you to consider that this is an online group of, mostly, guys, talking about sports and in my case, what’s going on poolside, and to maybe let an isolated remark escalate into something a little more “out of hand” before employing the ‘schoolmarm’ treatment. You dont have to, of course. You’re entitled to express your opinions, feelings, etc. I just think that even if my remark was more off color than intended, that I – and most everyone here, for that matter – is due a little more leeway, a little more “credit” in terms of generally engaging in gender appropriate discourse.

Plus it was a little out of thin air for those not watching but that just made it confusing. :)

I’m glad you mentioned this, cuz I think this is a fairly big part of our disconnect. As Jim alluded to, I hardly make a habit of talking about boobs or making rude references about women (The vast majority of my Rude Reference portfolio is reserved for men.) But the TV visual was stunning. Not stunning beautiful or stunning I’d like to you know what. Just kinda shocking. I actually started laughing out loud at home.

And I guess I was guilty of using a “shock value” term to reflect something I assumed many on the thread had seen. It was meant as a joke and not to hurt anyone’s feelings. Certainly no one here. Sorry that it did.

— Matt

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 2:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(The vast majority of my Rude Reference portfolio is reserved for men.)

With a plurality reserved for Derrick Hall.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 2:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

you’ve been sorta pissing me off lately too, so watch out.

Can I say that? Pissing.

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BANNED!!

What?? It’s not like you disagree. It’s been my experience that you save your choicest words for Hall.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 3:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I save

my choicest words for intelligent people who use their influence to fabricate misinformation at the expense of more vulnerable folks, whether that be Derrick, this poor clown at The Republic, Craig Harris, or….I’ll stop there.

No sense getting chastised/banned thrice. (sounds like something John Kerry might say to the U.N.)

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 3:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't intended as a criticism.

I thought we were beyond that, ’Hacks.

It was simply an observation.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 4:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your observation is correct

and isnt perceived as criticism. I just dont feel it’s relevant to the subject at hand.

We’re talking about gender. I’m making a point bout gender. I just dont see how introducing Derrick Hall is advancing that discussion, and really serves to deflect the point I’m trying to make about gender.

My “observation” is that many of your choicest words are reserved for foulpole. But what has that got to do with anything here?

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 5:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your observation

is also correct.

It wasn’t relevant, but when I posted it, I thought the case was closed, so I sought to drive the conversation in a new, less confrontational direction.

Clearly, I erred.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 5:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

I would certainly say it is more off-color than ‘boobs’. I would, for example, use the latter if my mother was around. But ‘tits’? No.

I think you are probably the first person ever to use the word here, which is probably an indication you shouldn’t have. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Sep 19, 2008 12:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like

it’s time for a fan poll ;-)

by Diamondhacks on Sep 19, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The mother test?

Yeah, that’s a pretty good brightline, actually.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man

there goes half of my vernacular. My mom hates it even when I say “screwed.”

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 12:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

okay, so I take it back. The brightline isn’t “your mom”. The brightline is “Jim’s mom”.

Although, aren’t Scots quite vulgar?

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 12:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome

To this week’s edition of Sweeping Generalizations, with your host, DbacksSkins.

Don’t believe everything you see in Austin Powers movies.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 19, 2008 12:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about your MIL

She seemed pretty awesome, and she let you put red in her hair, so she wins.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 12:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't a generalization from Austin Powers.

Or So I Married An Axe Murderer.

It was a generalization from my uncle.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh oh
ALL OUT INSANITY ON SNAKEPIT

SENSITIVE MEN, COJACK TOLD TO STAY INDOORS

NARWHAL LIBERATION FRONT ACTIVITIES INCREASE, CONNECTION TO RECENT WAVE OF CRIME?

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 12:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GLB TO SNAKEPIT: DROP DEAD

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 12:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neither were we.

Also, we weren’t allowed to say, “See?” when we were right about something.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My mom

told me that all the time. Surprising, I know.

We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.

by soco on Sep 19, 2008 1:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My mom

didn’t. Surprising, I know.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My 85-year-old mother says boobs and her mother said bosom.

by TwinnerA on Sep 19, 2008 12:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My mom calls them "What not"

But then uses far more foul language for other things.

So she wouldn’t be fair barometer.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I automatically apply this standard to my posts

For obvious reasons.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your mom doesn't count

She’s cool.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YOUR mom doesn’t count.

Cuz she’s hot.

OH!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am sure she would appreciate your sentiments

I will send them along. ;)

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Errr.....

she’s not married to the jealous type…. is she??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

Single. ;) And if she is dating she knows not to tell me cause … well.. ew. My MOM.

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 19, 2008 1:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

You should likely lay off any kind of comments about people’s mothers.

by Jim McLennan on Sep 19, 2008 1:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come to think of it......

yeah, that’s right.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those birds

seem dirty, somehow….

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha,

I totally thought, “I didn’t see any birds though!”

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yay! The Twits!

Mr. Twit had a crusty beard.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose

the answer is, “Yes, they were on TV.”

Decorum would seem to prevent me from elaborating.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ

92 pitches through seven, due up third.

As much as I hate to turn it over to our bullpen with a one-run lead, I think he’s pulled here.

Cruz, Qualls?

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awwww.

Whitesell PHing for RJ.

With 92 pitches, 2 outs, and nobody on base, WTF are you thinking, BoMel??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you wanted Randy to pitch another inning and run the pitch count up to triple digits?

Micah Owings will rise again.

Max Scherzer- Flaming fastball good enough to cool down his opponets.
by damdrs1717 on Sep 10, 2008 3:06 PM PDT

by damdrs1717 on Sep 18, 2008 11:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be unprecedented.

Even for 2008 Randy Johnson.

He’d gone 100+ in five of his last seven starts.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good stat. I guess Randy's good for 09 then.

Micah Owings will rise again.

Max Scherzer- Flaming fastball good enough to cool down his opponets.
by damdrs1717 on Sep 10, 2008 3:06 PM PDT

by damdrs1717 on Sep 18, 2008 11:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given that...

And the other numbers I posted below, it sure looks like it.

I don’t really have a problem with Melvin pulling him there. Pretty standard move. It’d be nice if the bullpen could give us less reasons to second-guess it though.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.....

in retrospect….. again, with 2 outs and nobody on, we sent a AAA guy out there, and he did the same thing RJ could have done.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in favor of bringin him back next year

In April, I was convinced this year was his last shot at 300, but now, I think he’s got another season in him.

"Besides, you two shouldn't fight! You're best friends, I would imagine. You can't let a bunch of talking dogs in space helmets ruin that."

by kishi on Sep 19, 2008 1:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely agreed.

Let’s bring him back. Maybe he’ll even give us a bit of a discount.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 19, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

Randy sure would have agreed to it, given the results.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus, Lincecum won’t get a loss.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I take it back.

Lincecum can still win, since he’s still in the game.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denied

Micah Owings will rise again.

Max Scherzer- Flaming fastball good enough to cool down his opponets.
by damdrs1717 on Sep 10, 2008 3:06 PM PDT

by damdrs1717 on Sep 18, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is with the random

dug out chair? Is that guy too good for the bench?

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Sep 18, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was JUST thinking

about Cruz being a master of the “true outcomes”, and how I’d probably not bring him in in a 1 run game. Any other lead, sure. But not with 1 run.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 18, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that Randy's stuck with ANOTHER no decision...

Check out his numbers since the all-star break, including tonight’s start.

4-2, 11 GS, 71 IP, 65 H, 18 ER, 13 BB, 68 K, 2.28 ERA, 1.10 WHIP

He should REALLY be closer to 300 than this.

by Azreous on Sep 18, 2008 11:38 PM EDT