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Diamondbacks 6, Braves 11: Distracted by the Five-ring Circus

Record: 59-57. Pace: 82-80. Change on last season: -6.

Another day, another dire pitching performance, the only real difference being that this one comes from a starter, so took a lot longer and resulted in a lot more runs. Outside of a 1-2-3 inning to begin the game, Doug Davis was hideous: he allowed four base-runners in the second, wiping out the one-run lead provided by Drew's 14th homer, which led off our half of the first. Four more in the third gave the Braves a 4-1 lead, and only a failed suicide squeeze stopped them from adding more in the fourth. Davis was finally yanked with one out in the fifth, having allowed two walks and a double. His final line: nine hits, four walks and seven earned runs.

Is he running out of steam? One suspects that the strain of his earlier surgery and the resulting recuperation is - perhaps inevitably - beginning to take a toll, as we move into the final third of the schedule. Part of me indeed hopes this is the case: because the alternative is that, of late, a fully healthy Doug has largely sucked. Since the start of July, Davis  - and the team - has just one win in his seven starts, with an ERA of 6.21. His control seems particularly to have suffered, with 17 walks over his last 29.2 innings. Overall, for $7.75m, I'd be looking for something better than the 4.75 ERA he has given us this season. With Davis also signed for $8.75m next year, I wonder if this is something that may be addressed in the off-season, if he continues to struggle.

Between our f.irst pitcher and our last, the bullpen weren't bad,. Buckner, Rosales and Rauch combined to allow one run over 3.2 innings, on two hits and a walk - though Buckner did allow both runners he inherited from Davis to score [which certainly didn't help Davis's box-score for the day] I was a bit surprised to see Rauch in for the eighth and Lyon in the ninth. While I generally support the use of your best relievers whenever games are close - regardless of whether you're ahead of behind - this isn't a philosophy usually subscribed to by Melvin. He generally has had an A-pen, used when we're tied or ahead, and a B-pen, for when we're behind.

Arizona did still have a chance, despite falling into an 8-1 hole by the middle of the fifth inning. We pulled back one in the bottom half there, two in the sixth and another in the seventh. After Tony Clark was hit in the toe with a pitch, we had men on the corners with one out, and Stephen Drew representing the tying run, at the plate. He got badly-squeezed for strike two, and then struck out swinging while trying to protect the plate. Jackson followed and our last, best hope was gone. Any chance of a comeback evaporated entirely in the ninth, as Lyon came in and gave up three runs, on three hits and a walk, also including a homer to Chipper Jones. It took him 30 pitches to get through that inning, so if there's a save situation tonight, I'm wondering if he'll be available.

The offense was fine: six runs is usually enough to win most games, and our BABIP for the game was .375, producing the expected correction. Alex Romero had the first three-hit appearance of his young life, falling a homer short of the cycle. Since becoming the full-time right-fielder just before the All-Star break, he is hitting .292 (21-for-72) when he starts. He also puts the ball in plays, with only ten strikeouts in the past month, and generally, he's proven himself a valuable player. Drew had two hits, extending his streak to eleven games [his line over that period is a healthy .362/.400/.596] and getting his season average up to .279, the highest it's been since May 26. The team had no walks though, reducing our K:BB ratio over the last four games to a disconcerting 26:3 - we have as many HBPs as bases on balls!

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Master of his domain: Chris Snyder, +5.1%
God-emperor of suck: Doug Davis, -30.2%

A decent Gameday Thread, though enthusiasm was largely sapped by the Braves' putting this one away early. I know mine certainly was. Still, present were ZonaBacks10, DbacksSkins, snakecharmer, 4 Corners Fan, nargel, unnamedDBacksfan, Scrbl, singaporedbacksfan, srdmad, kishi, Zephon, hotclaws, utahdbacksfan, TwinnerA, Muu, emilylovesthedbacks, soco, Shums, Wimb and, to absolutely no-one's surprise, AZWILDCATS [whose appearances are becoming as predictable as a solar eclipse. Dodgers winning? D-backs losing? Oh, look: there he is.]

The defeat leaves our lead back down to one-half game, so the Diamondbacks certainly need to step it up to avoid a losing home-stand. They do have Webb and Haren going in the next two games, which will certainly help. Mind you, I may be too distracted by the Olympics to watch. It's getting the chance to see the more obscure sports that we revel in. We found ourselves watching the saber quarter-finals last night, which was utterly fascinating [Mrs. SnakePit used to fence]. Why can't ESPN show that, instead of endless frickin' poker tournaments? This morning, it was women's weightlifting - but the smaller competitors, not the obvious behemoths. They had a Turkish teacher taking part, who looked like she wouldn't say boo to a mouse. Then, boom, that's suddenly 210 pounds being lifted clear above her head. Bet that does wonders for classroom discipline. We did draw the line at the air-rifle contest though. Yet they can't find room for baseball?

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Baseball hasn't started yet :)

Preliminary rounds will be shown on July 13th starting at, I think, 2am.

by snakecharmer on Aug 9, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant, as of next Olympics

No baseball and no softball either, IIRC.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 9, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yes, you're right

They were taken out for 2012 in London. But decisions on adding/subtracting games for each games come up at the same meetings for deciding the host, so baseball does have a chance of returning for 2016 – and if they end up in Chicago or Tokyo, the push will be even bigger.

by snakecharmer on Aug 9, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read

that they’re trying to convince MLB to shut down during the Olympics, so they can have the same kind of pro tournament we see in other team sports (although I can’t find the article now). MLB is…um…reluctant to do so.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 9, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, because Major Leaguers aren't in it

It’s not as popular of a sport of people can’t see the athletes they actually know and follow. I heard that the introduction of the World Baseball Classic – every 4 years, before the season, with MLers – gave them a good reason to kick it out.

My opinion – MLB could very easily shut down for a week or two. Pushing back the World Series by a week in 01 was not the end of the world, and besides, not everybody would be going and games could very easily still be played. Wimb made a good point that, teams losing athletes would be at a disadvantage, yes….but, it’s a 162-game season, there’s time to make it up.

Eh. MLB+players+owners will never give in.

by snakecharmer on Aug 9, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

it’s not that the Olympics can’t find room for baseball, it’s that organized baseball in Japan and the U.S. can’t find room for the Olympics.

by dahlian on Aug 10, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were talking on the radio about how they’re going to have 3600 hours of Olympic coverage this year. That seems a little excessive. It is annoying, though, that with all that time, they’re still showing USA vs. Cuba in baseball at 11 at night.

Personally, I’m looking forward to catching some of the white-water kayaking. Don’t know why, but it’s always entertaining.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 9, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well it may be excessive

but it jumps channels constantly. So one channel isn’t all olympics for the next 2 weeks. So that isn’t so bad.

formerly Seton Hall Snake Pit. The newer simpler version.

by AJforAZ on Aug 9, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am hoping

these olympics are a complete failure and a disaster for the chinese. we shouldn’t even be there.
why are we always so eager to kiss the ass of our enemies?

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to china

Not only will we take all your jobs, we will take your life too!
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-

BEIJING – A Chinese man stabbed the in-laws of the U.S. Olympic men’s volleyball coach, killing one and injuring the other while they visited a Beijing tourist site near the main venue where Olympic competitions began Saturday.

The victims were Todd and Barbara Bachman of Lakeville, Minn., parents of former Olympian Elisabeth Bachman, who is married to men’s volleyball coach Hugh McCutcheon, according to the U.S. Olympic Committee. Bachman’s father was killed.

The assailant also stabbed and injured a Chinese tour guide with the Americans. He then committed suicide by leaping from a 130-foot-high balcony of the ancient landmark the Americans were visiting, the 13th-century Drum Tower, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I saw that.

That’s very sad. Embarrassing to the Chinese, too.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if history has taught us one thing

the best way to deal with countries that have spotty human rights records is to isolate them from the international scene…

Of course, you’d be hard pressed to find any country large enough to support these Olympics that don’t currently have a good deal of blood on their hands – whether it be from Tibet, Sudan, Iraq or Georgia.

by dahlian on Aug 10, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So....

you’re of the belief that we should boycott the Olympics again? Like in 1980?

Fat lot of good that did.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Principle

Sorry if that’s a foreign concept to Americans

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is,

the only people who end up actually being punished are the athletes—both those that attend, and those that boycott. The boycotters obviously miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime experience, and the attendees are cheated out of the possibility to be called the greatest athletes in the world; their accomplishments are vilified. The Olympics, dating back to ancient times, have always BEEN about peace, and putting politics aside, united in friendly worldwide competition.

In historical times, the Greeks would suspend warfare every four years to participate in the games as brothers. I see no need to stray from that Olympic spirit, much as I despise the Chinese regime and its actions (or lack thereof) with Sudan and its brutal oppression of its own people.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OTOH,

I’ve been saying all along that there’s no reason for the United States to have a delegation present for the opening and closing ceremonies, which are a relatively new tradition and are exclusively about the host nation. But I’m completely against boycotting the competitions themselves.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 9, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring up Scherzer.

The team that is kinda winning, the Arizona Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Aug 9, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Contract the team!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Even though I called Drew’s homer in the first, I still feel slightly responsible for the suckage that happened last night. I’ll try to do better tonight, but even if they still suck, I will not submit to a lifetime ban from Chase Field. Sorry.

One question. Are girls that know baseball and like baseball really a novelty? The two men sitting in front of us last night seemed to be entertained by our discussion of the DH (Jackie’s a lifelong Red Sox fan…I know, I know.) making fun of the RallyBacks, and keeping score. Are we really that unusual? ::le sigh::

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 9, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad thing is, Emily...

The kinds of guys who understand the kinds of girls we are are even rarer… :(

by snakecharmer on Aug 9, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad.

Because I am not the girl that will wear a mini and 4 inch heels to a baseball game. I realize that it is, in fact, a baseball game and not a fashion show. Stupid. I enjoy the game, understand the game, and will drop any other plans for a game. Stupid guys.

/rant.
:-)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 10, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have more faith in the human race.

Just sayin’.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, it’s because of woman who react to baseball players like this that makes men skeptical of girls who like baseball. “It doesn’t matter if he’s a good player, he’s pretty!”

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuse me

while I go weep over the stupidity.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 10, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similar arguments

could be made for men with female athletes. We’re all stupid.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I TOTALLY admire Anna Kournikova for her…. err… tennis “skills”.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She was a good doubles player

and no, I’m not trying to be perverted.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh....

believe it or not, I didn’t even think of that when I read it.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you expect

from the fine folks who brought you the rainbow unicorn and the gay dancing Spiderman?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, sadly

But let’s be fair, the assumptions go both ways. More than one girl has assumed I’m gay because I know anything about musicals.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 10, 2008 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch.

Jackie was actually complaining to me about how her boyfriend is into musicals and she’s into baseball. Role reversal. :-)

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 10, 2008 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In THEIR face.....

or…. rather, in YOUR face….

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 10, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can support each other

in a completely hetero way, of course.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 10, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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