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Diamondbacks 3, Dodgers 9 - A Smashing Time

Record: 57-54. Pace: 83-79. Change on last season: -4.

It's official. The Dodgers have suddenly vaulted their way towards the top, and are now located among my three most hated teams. I'm still working on the exact specific position, but if they continue to - and I'm sorry, but there's not really another word for it - fellate Ramirez in the manner seen this afternoon, then the Yankees could end up with a run for their money.

A meaningless home-run this afternoon was apparently deemed worthy of a curtain-call; I don't know who is worse, the fans for demanding it, or Mandy for giving them one. I've seen it attributed to various coaches [Landry, Lombardi, etc.], but the appropriate phrase for Ramirez is, "Act like you've been there before." You didn't win the World Series. You didn't clinch a playoff spot. It was a solo homer, in the fifth inning, and you were already leading. Billy Buckner still qualifies as a rookie pitcher, f'heavens sake. So whoop-de-doo. You're on a second-place team, traded there because you made such a complete ass of yourself, that Boston was willing to pay LA $7m for you to leave. Go out there, put your head down and play.

Give the Dodgers credit though: their offense showed up. Ours - outside of Stephen Drew - didn't. Doug Davis didn't show up either, or at least, not the one who took a perfect game into the seventh inning last time out. He went from the best outing of his time with Arizona, to the worst, being unceremoniously yanked off the mound before completing two innings for the first time ever in his career. Six hits, two walks and five earned runs was the final line, with only 25 strikes in the 47 pitches that he threw, as eight out of thirteen batters faced reached safely.

Initially, it looked like this one was going to be a slugfest. After the Dodgers scored twice in the first, we came back to tie the game on RBI singles by Davis [yep, we were surprised by that too!] and Drew. But Los Angeles scored three more in the bottom of the second, chasing Davis, and Johnson settled down, retiring the next eight Diamondbacks' batters, before Drew homered and Hudson walked, to bring the tying run to the plate. That ended Johnson's day, and the Dodgers bullpen shut out Arizona for the remaining 4.2 innings, with only three singles and a walk to show for our efforts.

The bullpen was forced into mop-up duty, with mixed results. Buckner and Rosales performed admirably, combining for 4.1 innings of one-run ball. However, Qualls and Rauch were less effective: Each allowed three hits in their inning of work, with Qualls allowing one run and Rauch his first two in an Arizona jersey. Pretty much an irrelevance at that stage, though it leaves our relief corps somewhat thin for the upcoming series against the Pirates: I'm hopeful we won't need to use them quite as much in the next couple of days, what with Haren and Webb starting tomorrow and Tuesday.

The only real bright point was Stephen Drew having a three-hit game, including his 13th homer. After Mark Reynolds, our birthday boy, struck out for the third time in a row, as well as having a poor day with the glove, it was decided that a swift alteration of the birthday cake was necessary. The word "Mark" was therefore stricken from the record [or dessert, at least], and ingeniously replaced with the word "Drew." For those who missed the Gameday Thread, this was the result. You may need to squint a bit. :-)

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Romero did have two hits, raising an interesting question. When Justin Upton comes back, should we move Romero to center-field and bench Young for a bit? Since returning to the roster on July 5 - basically a month ago - Romero has a line of .295/.318/.429, with seven K's in 63 at-bats. In comparison, over the same time, Chris Young is hitting .211/.269/.368, with 34 strikeouts in 95 at-bats. Romero simply puts together better at-bats, and is capable of fouling off good pitches in the hope of getting a mistake. The Dodgers exposed Young's frailties ruthlessly, and the results this series showed it. Sixteen times he came to the plate: no hits, seven strikeouts and one solitary ball that left the infield.

A particularly weird play in the bottom of the third. With Loney at first, Berroa popped the ball up on the infield. Going up the line, he collided with Tracy who was coming down from first, knocking Chad's glove clean off his hand. He tried to catch the ball bare-handed, but dropped it; then threw to second, where it appeared Loney was signaled out. However, the official ruling was that Berroa was out on batter's interference, and Loney had to return to first. This appears to have been the correct call. According to the Baseball Field Guide, the fielder has the right of way when attempting to make a play on a batted ball, whether the interference is intentional or not, and the ball is dead at that moment, with other runners having to go back to the last base they touched prior to it.

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Master of his domain: Stephen Drew, +17.0%
God-emperor of suck: Doug Davis, -40.4%
Dishonorable mention: Conor Jackson, -10.6%

Big thanks to soco and mrssoco for opening their house to us this afternoon, where Mrs. SnakePit and I were joined by kishi, mrskishi and Azreous. There was a tense moment after the TV decided to commit suicide, lemming-style - the mount falling off the wall, with the whole assembly coming close to crushing mrssoco. Miraculously, it suffered only superficial damage: Vizio TV's are clearly capable of taking a good pounding. But it was a lot of fun, and we're contemplating a repeat for the penultimate game of the season at the end of September, this time at SnakePit Towers.

Apart from the above, present in the online version of the Gameday Thread [that'd be the one without cake and plummeting domestic appliances] were unnamedDBacksfan, hotclaws, Wimb, AF DBacks Fanatic, 4 Corners Fan, hotchixsnake27, luckycc, snakecharmer, foulpole, TwinnerA, Snakebitten, Scrbl, AZWILDCATS, Turambar, britdback, Shums, srdmad, emilylovesthedbacks and AJforAZ.

You can never be too unhappy with a road-trip where you win seven out of ten. However, having gone 7-1 up until yesterday, I think most fans will be somewhat disappointed. Much as we hate to admit it, it's clear that the Dodgers made the move of the season in acquiring Ramirez - not least because, somehow, they're paying him less we are to Tony "4-for-26" Clark. We still possess the lead as we head into the final 51 games, and the next couple of weeks have the schedule definitely easing up: our next five series are all against sub-.500 teams. We face the Dodgers again at the end of the month: will we still be in first then? Fasten your seat-belts, people: it's going to be a bumpy ride...

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I am gonna love seeing those stupid dodger fans not make the playoffs when they have

all those “great” Players. They are so lame they get exited for a piece of shit .

As of now. I’m buying tickets to see the dodgers at chase field. I’ll be sitting on right field.
And OH Manny better get some ear pluggs because i’ll be giving you the bussiness.

My fellow snakepitters, I'll be glad if you join me on the fun.

It's not over until it's over

by hotchixsnake27 on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim couldn't be any more right on

I was at the game and it was disgusting.

My opinion of Dodger fans being dumb Raider fans during the summer, was solidified today. The amount of Manny shirts and jerseys in the stadium was insane. Do Dodger fans not know what a rental player is? I guess they don’t make the playoffs much.

Seriously the crowd is acting like Manny is Jordan, in his prime, with 10 years left on his contract. Not Manny, at 36, a Free Agent in October

I had been looking forward to this game for a while (bosses seats and my team in first) but the Manny stuff was over the top. I can understand if this was Texas or Colorado (or even AZ) where they don’t really get the bigger than life players, but the Dodgers are supposed to be a team with all of this great history, tradition, etc and when I walk into Dodger stadium the first thing I see is a sign that says “Manny being Manny in Dodger Blue”......oh, they were printed by the Dodgers and were all over the stadium. ugh.

BTW, between Jason Johnson and DD, I think it was an hour and a half before we got the 3rd inning started. That made good times for my nordic skin….

by peeklay on Aug 3, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My sympathy

For having to sit amongst Dodger fans today. That must have been pure torture.

I have no problem with benching Chris Young NOW!

by TwinnerA on Aug 4, 2008 12:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if the Red Sox fans who might have been seeing Manny being Manny in Dodger Blue might be wondering, “What the …?” He sure didn’t seem like the slacker dude he was in Boston. No cheesy watching his hits, actually doing some fielding, in fact, showing enthusiasm for the game.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 4, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to apologize if I was kind of nuts this afternoon.

I tend to get random when I am nervous. eep

By the way, I stand firm that I barely touched that TV! It was a accident, swears! ;)

What a crazy random happenstance!

by mrssoco on Aug 4, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's what happened

It was late in the game- I fear that my mortal terror at the vast danger we faced has stricken the precise moment from my mind. Jim had mistakenly made some disparaging remark about Eric Byrnes’s shoelaces during a game previously this season- innocuous, we thought, but mrssoco does not forget.

The peril we faced rested heavily in our minds at each moment, and it was only a matter of time until someone slipped. mrssoco locked soco back in the chamber of eternal torment that I fear is his everyday resting place, until he slips free this mortal coil. With him out of the way, she placed herself in a ready position to engage Jim in mortal combat should he make one ill-considered move or comment. In the end, though, it was Azreous who made the simple mistake.

An ad for the Eric Byrnes Show came on, and- well, I don’t know quite what it was. Perhaps a hiccup. Or an ill-muffled cough. But it was enough to provoke her Wrath.

I can’t say for certain that she actually grew larger, in the manner of the Incredible Hulk- that may merely be my terror shading the scene. I do distinctly recall her angered howls at Azreous- “mrssoco smash!”- yes, even in person, she refers to herself as mrssoco, and in the third person. It was a strange moment.

For a moment, it looked like she was going to assault Azreous, but the layout of the room seemed to puzzle her- too many couches between her and her target, I suspect. After a moment’s confusion, she gave up out of frustration, picked up a small table, and hurled it at the television, knocking it to the ground. Somehow, it continued to function, though soco was released from his cage for a few scant moments to plug the feed back in. She quickly calmed, and demanded we agree to support her cover story. But I cannot remain silent. It may not be too late for soco. Please, someone help him!

True story.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 12:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry I missed all the fun.

:-(

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 1:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You were missed

You’ll just have to make it up and have extra fun at any future events.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 1:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you really think

that’s even a question?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn’t use a question mark, so I’m pretty sure it’s not a question.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even so....

it’s not like I ever need to be TOLD to have fun.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m just telling you to have extra. You’ve got a deficit to make up.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for clarifying the situation with the television set. This legend will only increase with time.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 4, 2008 1:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’ll be hard to top the true events, as I’ve recounted them above. Others may embellish the tale, but no flourish of language will match the stark terror that we felt as we witnessed such a scene.

(A little while ago, Mrs. Kishi asked me “How many version of the story about the TV have been posted now?” Then, showing she has a grasp of how these things work, she asked “Do any of them resemble what actually happened?”)

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I swear...

I think I got blamed 17 times in that paragraph. There’s no way I deserved more than 13 or 14 of those.

by Azreous on Aug 4, 2008 1:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost true.

It wasn’t a remark about Eric Byrnes that triggered the rampage. It was me unwittingly keeping my shoes on, making an imprint in the carpet. The timing was so close, you could hardly tell the difference though.

by Azreous on Aug 4, 2008 2:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How dare you!!

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, you are correct

It was such a stress-filled moment for all of us, mistakes in my recollection are going to happen.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, though

Thank you guys again for hosting- it was a lot of fun, and I’m now looking forward to SnakePitFest even more than I was previously.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 12:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed.

It’s worth repeating that everything was very solid, and I appreciated the hospitality.

by Azreous on Aug 4, 2008 2:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rest in peace

I just saw that Skip Caray died. Very sad.

Back in the 80s and 90s, if you had cable, you had a few hundred baseball games on every year- granted, most of them were Cubs or Braves games, thanks to WGN and TBS. I know not everyone liked Skip or Harry, but the vast majority of baseball games of my youth were frequently announced by the Carays, and I’m sad to see they’re both gone now.

From his Wikipedia article, I found this story interesting: [I]n June 2000, Caray, along with fellow Braves broadcasters Joe Simpson, Pete Van Wieren, and Don Sutton, were banned from Atlanta Braves team charter flights for several games after criticizing Braves catcher Javy LĂłpez for setting up outside the catchers box after he was caught by the umpire. Don Sutton, of course, is Daron’s father.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need to sleep

but I want to letchyall know how today was.

Good seats- except that we were in the sun. Note to self, 1st base side, afternoon game=sun.
I need to just stop trying to fight my Irish genes (tanning….) because we go to the beach: no change. Sit in Dodger Stadium for a few hours: I have the weirdest sunburn ever. Splotches on the tops of my legs and a flip-flop tan. Not even joking.
I am severely dehydrated because Dodger Stadium sucks and charges $5.75 for a bottle of water and has no drinking fountains. But they did have this really awesome industrial fan with a mister hooked up to it. I spent a lot of time in front of that. :-P
They also suck because they don’t let signs in. Once I’m home, I’ll post the picture I have of me being sad holding my “Manny Ramirez wears Mark Reynolds pajamas” and “Beat LA” and “Go Dbacks” signs….speaking of Manny…I hate him. I hate that Dodger fans love him so much. I suppose they just haven’t seen a real offensive threat in awhile.

All in all, it’s been a fun trip. I’ll see if I can get some of the 70 degree “heat” back with me. :-)

Maybe the Diamondbacks should just sign me...

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 4, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The last home run a Dodgers fan could get excited about was hit by our bench coach, and you weren’t born yet.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've had

a flip-flop tan for nearly this entire summer. I guess I’m like Jebus, I walk a lot in sandals.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I usually have a flip-flop tan

year round. It just kicks ass at the moment.

The rest of me, however…varying shades of white and pink with some freckles thrown in to remind me that I am capable of having a tan, but instead I burn. :-\

Maybe the Diamondbacks should just sign me...

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 4, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, I C.

I may be half Irish, but thanks to the Italian half, after two days at the Equator, I had people coming up and talking to me in Spanish, thinking I might be a native.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record...

That was a great Mark Reynolds Stephen Drew Mrew birthday unbirthday cake.

by Azreous on Aug 4, 2008 2:14 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was delicious

Soco Kitchen Laboratories, Inc., did some good work on getting the exact shade of frosting, too.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish I could have gone

But I’m glad I decided to take the weekend off from the Dbacks. I’m a bit burn out.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Aug 4, 2008 2:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way,

I’m officially back in the 48th state, with no shark bites. Although I did see a giant marbled stingray with a big sharkbite in it. :-(

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Dodgers

are so excited because they just won the division. Not “won” in the “finished with a better record than the other teams” sense, but “won” in the “every creative writer sports journalist in the country is writing letters of congratulations” sense. If the D-Backs suddenly got the same kind of breathless praise, we might be giddy too. But hopefully we’d behave better.

On a brief, sort-of related note: why do D-Back’s fans get so much crap for doing the wave? I could swear I saw something remarkably wave-like during this series, and I’ve never seen articles deriding the naivete of Dodger fans. Of course. “so much crap” may actually be a trick of my own spotty memory. The only critique of the D-Backs’ fans I can clearly remember at the moment, comes from The Betting Fool in the San Francisco Chronicle. But I thought I had seen it elsewhere too.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 4, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The wave

Dodgers fans suck. [Welcome to this week’s edition of Sweeping Generalizations, with your host Jim McLennan…] Okay, there are, of course, smart and well-informed fans – Jon Weisman of Dodger Thoughts comes to mind immediately – but the whole arrive late, leave early culture, as well as the beach-balls, etc. leads me to suspect that LA fans in general are not as passionate about the sport and so need to create other amusements. The wave is part of that, so seeing them do it at Chavez Ravine is part and parcel of the course. I’d like to think we are better than that.

I don’t mind the wave during a break in the action, or in a true blowout. But far too often, I’ve seen it at Chase in a tied game, or when there’s a one-run lead for either team – the times when everyone’s attention should be riveted by the game. Can you imagine the wave at the cinema, or during a symphony? Exactly. So why it is deemed acceptable at sporting events? I note, without further comment, that it always starts out in the cheap seats in the bleachers…

by Jim McLennan on Aug 4, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like

the proportion of the fan population doing the wave to fans not doing the wave is directly related to the gross amount of beer consumption at any given sporting event….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw more

wave action at Dodger stadium than I ever have at Chase/BOB. We counted, and I think it was 6 or 7 times around all 4 decks.

Maybe the Diamondbacks should just sign me...

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 4, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do have to admit

that when Manny said that the Red Sox should trade him to Green Bay for Brett Favre, that DID make me laugh.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Afternoon all..

So 45 minutes before I’m due to go home I finally brave to read the baseball website universe…

That made me feel a little better :)

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Aug 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Didn’t seem to post the link

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8409144/Game-took-a-hit-because-of-Manny’s-exit-strategy

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Aug 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

If people think all of baseball is colluding to keep Bonds off the roster this season, I wonder if Manny’s going to face some hard bargaining next year.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Different situation entirely.

I think the teams only agreed on Bonds because of the steroids issue. I don’t really think they’ve ever colluding on immature crybaby players ever before, though.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's an interesting link

I find the inherent comparisons between Manny and Bonds interesting to ponder. They’re so similar in a lot of ways… distractions to the club, demands, accusations of not playing all-out. But even without being accused of steroids, it seems Manny was/is a more enjoyable player. Manny laughs it off, has funny antics.. Bonds was just a sourpuss, honestly, and San Francisco ONLY loved him because he hit home runs. Seriously, he did very little else his last year.

by snakecharmer on Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Random note

A little bit of time looking at the schedule tells me that, if I’ve done this right, and the rotation remains the same as it is now, the Diamondbacks will start Randy Johnson on August 23rd against the Marlins.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.....?

And?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh --

I’m a moron. SPF ‘08.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Upcoming schedule

In looking ahead at the two remaining series against L.A., and if the rotation stays the same, it looks like the Aug. 29-31 series we would start Johnson, Petit and Davis and that Petit, Davis and Haren would start on Sept. 5-7. I doubt any juggling of the rotation would be done just to put Webb and Haren in each series, but Petit and Davis both pitching in two key series against L.A. scares me.

by TwinnerA on Aug 4, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’d be pretty simple to do if they wanted to- just skipping two Petit starts would gives us Webb and Haren pitching both series.

It would also mean that we’d be seeing Petit pitch on the 23rd.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But the real question would be

Does Manny sit against Haren or Webb?

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re right because there are a couple of off days that would work with skipping Petit and that would Haren and Webb would end up pitching in both series.

by TwinnerA on Aug 4, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems likely to me

We already saw them skip Owings, so Webb got an extra start before the All-Star break. I imagine it will depend on the standings, but if we’re anywhere close, we will be putting our best pitchers out if at all possible.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you guys got Manny, would Diamondbacks fans just give him polite applause and not buy any of his merchandise?

Co-Author Of The Fourth Most Popular NL West Based Blog On SBN

by Andrew on Aug 4, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We wouldn't GET Manny.

That’s the point. We actually want to develop our young guys, and have some pretty good locker room chemistry right now.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides,

you guys just consummated a trade that may very well have led the Dodgers to replace us as the favorites in the NL West. At least let us have our hate please, Andrew.

Also - I’ve been wondering this for awhile, but in reference to your signature - what’s the fifth most popular NL West based blog on SBN?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

love the new

sig tag!

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was always curious about that, too. MCC, I guess?

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn't be.

McCC and GLB are either #1 or #2, in some order.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

MCC is the only one I don’t recall spending much time at, so it was pretty much a blind guess.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was you guys at the time, but I’ve been displaced.

Co-Author Of The Fourth Most Popular NL West Based Blog On SBN

by Andrew on Aug 4, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, to be fair,

you’ve got a lot more competition.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course he would move

merchandise and tickets anywhere he goes, and it’s not like Arizona had any prior reason to dislike him. That isn’t going to stop us from mocking Dodgers fans, especially the unfortunately subset that would be drawn out anywhere, people attracted to Mandy being Mandy, not necessarily the team.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 4, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disliked him before?

I’ve always disliked him. Don’t you remember your teasing me about him last year during the postseason?

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

besides you. We all know you’re OG in your hate for Mandy.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 4, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's so awesome.....

I don’t think I’ve ever been called OG about anything….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking for myself?

Yeah. Like I’m going to rush out and buy a jersey for a guy who’s not likely to stick around past the end of the season.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do agree, but a lot of it has to do with marketing. The Dodger PR machine has never had an ad featuring James Loney, Matt Kemp or Chad Billingsley (in fact, this years campaign features no current Dodgers) and most of the previous marketing has gone towards promoting Nomar.

Manny is the first player that the casual fan has been able to get excited about since Eric Gagne. They get fired up because they actually have someone telling them to get excited, instead of the weekly report that Matt Kemp is history’s greatest monster.

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by Andrew on Aug 4, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They get fired up because they actually have someone telling them to get excited

Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly why this whole scenario inspires such derision.

Besides, everyone knows that Randy Winn is history’s greatest monster. Just look at the innumerable crimes against humanity he’s committed. =)

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who’s the focus of the Diamondbacks’ marketing? Is it the exact players that are cheered the loudest?

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by Andrew on Aug 4, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These days

It’s the team over individual players, I think. Most of the adverts, etc. focus either on fans, or on a broad spectrum of players. I think they learned their lesson from the Eric Byrnes fiasco, where they built him up as the Face of the Franchise, only for him to a) suck and b) get injured.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 4, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always felt this was overblown

last year didn’t feel like he was being trumpeted as the Face anymore than this year.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 4, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You misinterpret my focus on the sentence

It’s the implication in your writing that Dodgers fans are getting excited because someone’s telling them to, rather than in response to anything happening.

Players like Mark Reynolds and Micah Owings get marketing attention because their play on the field last year earned them cheers, they don’t get cheers because of the marketing attention on them.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But not nearly as much as Manny got this weekend. Good players get cheers, good players with hype behind them get what Manny got.

The thing is that the LA media is way too veteran/snappiness happy. There have been dozens of columns focusing on how poor Juan Pierre is a good player despite what those evil stat guys say, but not one that mentions that Chad Billingsley has become an elite pitcher this season. If you see only a few games a year, all you really know about the Dodgers is what the TV and the newspaper tell you. Why would you get fired up about a guy that you barely know anything about?

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by Andrew on Aug 4, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m afraid I can’t offer much sympathy because a team’s fans only bother to cheer for the things they’re told they should cheer for, and don’t make the effort to follow the game outside of opinion columns.

Not many people know the real reason Christopher Columbus wanted to find America.

by kishi on Aug 4, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you see only a few games a year, all you really know about the Dodgers is what the TV and the newspaper tell you. Why would you get fired up about a guy that you barely know anything about?

Thus confirming our disparaging remarks about fans at Dodger Stadium….

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Kemp may be a bit of a douchebag

but he cannot TOUCH Randy Winn.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 4, 2008 10:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked Jeff Kent's quote

Link

I didn’t know whether or not to give Manny a high-five after he struck out in the seventh, because they were cheering him pretty good out there. That just puts it in perspective.
Yes, Jeff: indeed, it does…

by Jim McLennan on Aug 4, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When he struck out,

I started cheering (Chad Qualls struck out Manny Ramirez? What?) but got really confused when the entire stadium was cheering with me.

Not as much fun.

Maybe the Diamondbacks should just sign me...

by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 5, 2008 12:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's okay.

Poor Dodgers fans weren’t sure what just happened. All they knew was that it had something to do with that new Ramirez guy.

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 5, 2008 1:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Merchandise

When Richie Sexson came to town I ran out and bought a t-shirt with his name on it. We all know how well that turned out. I’m better off sticking to names like Webb and Haren (FO, please get that extension signed!), players that are more likely to be here for years.

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